Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting the site back up (was code4lib.org hosting)
I've kind of lost track of the threads, but just to clarify: - ibiblio doesn't solicit collections. you go to them, and if your materials are in scope, they usually say yes. they also aren't quick to turn things around, as has been pointed out, because they have a shoestring staff with huge collections to maintain and many many users to support. But, their hearts are in the right place, and they've delivered on their goals for 15+ years. - looks like code4lib.org is restored (some? all?) to an OSU host - three cheers for rordway! That alone is a major argument for OSU assuming hosting of c4l.org's main web presence for now. I'd still like to carry the discussion through a bit further, but, really, big thanks to rordway et al. :) -Dan
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting the site back up (was code4lib.org hosting)
If, short term or long term, OSU ends up hosting c4l.org, the journal would indeed be able to be hosted as well. -- jaf On 8/2/07 9:18 AM, "Tom Keays" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with Kevin. #3 is also my first option. > > It makes a whole lot of sense for OSU to host it in the short-term: > 1. Jeremy is ready, willing, and able to do so and code4lib needs a new home > 2. OSU is hosting the next conference, so there's that immediate > aspect to consider > > Regarding "Dan's Machine", it would help me if I knew what this was. > There was a reference in the other thread to Dan mirroring the > code4lib site at the conference and I assume this is the machine in > question. Is it ibiblio or something else? > > I think the things Dan said about ibibio recommends it as a possible > longer term solution. So, check it out and see if the match is a good > one. In the meantime, we have a bird in the hand. > > Jeremy: does OSU's offer include the ability of the nascent Code4Lib > Journal to be hosted there? We were initially using Wordpress as the > platform (and had also looked at OJS as another option). The editors > would need to have accounts. > > Tom > > On 8/2/07, Kevin S. Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > > So, to that effect, here's what I think the current options are: >>> > > >>> > > 1) Get it back up on anvil >>> > > 2) Get it up on Dan's Machine >>> > > 3) Put it up here at OSU >> > >> > My order of preference would be #3 else #2... though Dan's machine >> > might be easier if he already has an older version on there. >> > >> > Kevin >> > > === Jeremy Frumkin The Gray Chair for Innovative Library Services 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State University Corvallis OR 97331-4501 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 541.737.9928 541.737.3453 (Fax) 541.230.4483 (Cell) === " Without ambition one starts nothing. Without work one finishes nothing. " - Emerson
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting the site back up (was code4lib.org hosting)
I vote for OSU over dan's personal machine. A personal machine is what we effectively had before, is still not professional-level sysadmining, and that's what I think we need. In the IRC chat (wasn't someone going to post the transcript?), OSU said they should be able to host the Journal WordPress. Jonathan Tom Keays wrote: I agree with Kevin. #3 is also my first option. It makes a whole lot of sense for OSU to host it in the short-term: 1. Jeremy is ready, willing, and able to do so and code4lib needs a new home 2. OSU is hosting the next conference, so there's that immediate aspect to consider Regarding "Dan's Machine", it would help me if I knew what this was. There was a reference in the other thread to Dan mirroring the code4lib site at the conference and I assume this is the machine in question. Is it ibiblio or something else? I think the things Dan said about ibibio recommends it as a possible longer term solution. So, check it out and see if the match is a good one. In the meantime, we have a bird in the hand. Jeremy: does OSU's offer include the ability of the nascent Code4Lib Journal to be hosted there? We were initially using Wordpress as the platform (and had also looked at OJS as another option). The editors would need to have accounts. Tom On 8/2/07, Kevin S. Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, to that effect, here's what I think the current options are: 1) Get it back up on anvil 2) Get it up on Dan's Machine 3) Put it up here at OSU My order of preference would be #3 else #2... though Dan's machine might be easier if he already has an older version on there. Kevin -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting the site back up (was code4lib.org hosting)
OSU++ At the risk of appearing impatient (probably not that far off at this point), if Dan is gone for a couple days, and this can be up on OSU this afternoon, what are we waiting for? Carol On 8/2/07, K.G. Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Concur, adding that going with #3 or #2 (no preference from me formally > between the 2, you guys know better here) adds a much-needed release valve > so you don't have to make a decision about the permanent home under > pressure. > > > > I agree with this. Expectations of anvil's return to duty shouldn't > > add to the pressure of getting it running again. > > > > -Ross. > > > > On 8/2/07, Kevin S. Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > So, to that effect, here's what I think the current options are: > > > > > > > > 1) Get it back up on anvil > > > > 2) Get it up on Dan's Machine > > > > 3) Put it up here at OSU > > > > > > My order of preference would be #3 else #2... though Dan's machine > > > might be easier if he already has an older version on there. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting the site back up (was code4lib.org hosting)
I agree with Kevin. #3 is also my first option. It makes a whole lot of sense for OSU to host it in the short-term: 1. Jeremy is ready, willing, and able to do so and code4lib needs a new home 2. OSU is hosting the next conference, so there's that immediate aspect to consider Regarding "Dan's Machine", it would help me if I knew what this was. There was a reference in the other thread to Dan mirroring the code4lib site at the conference and I assume this is the machine in question. Is it ibiblio or something else? I think the things Dan said about ibibio recommends it as a possible longer term solution. So, check it out and see if the match is a good one. In the meantime, we have a bird in the hand. Jeremy: does OSU's offer include the ability of the nascent Code4Lib Journal to be hosted there? We were initially using Wordpress as the platform (and had also looked at OJS as another option). The editors would need to have accounts. Tom On 8/2/07, Kevin S. Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, to that effect, here's what I think the current options are: > > > > 1) Get it back up on anvil > > 2) Get it up on Dan's Machine > > 3) Put it up here at OSU > > My order of preference would be #3 else #2... though Dan's machine > might be easier if he already has an older version on there. > > Kevin >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting the site back up (was code4lib.org hosting)
Concur, adding that going with #3 or #2 (no preference from me formally
between the 2, you guys know better here) adds a much-needed release valve
so you don't have to make a decision about the permanent home under
pressure.
Don't know that you need a formal RFP for permanent (well, longterm shackup)
home, but even a rough Mary Poppins-style list of mandatory/highly
desired/desired deliverables ("You must be kind, you must be witty; very
sweet and fairly pretty," etc.) will help lead to good long-term decisions
and can actually accelerate the decision process.
Karen
> I agree with this. Expectations of anvil's return to duty shouldn't
> add to the pressure of getting it running again.
>
> -Ross.
>
> On 8/2/07, Kevin S. Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > So, to that effect, here's what I think the current options are:
> > >
> > > 1) Get it back up on anvil
> > > 2) Get it up on Dan's Machine
> > > 3) Put it up here at OSU
> >
> > My order of preference would be #3 else #2... though Dan's machine
> > might be easier if he already has an older version on there.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting the site back up (was code4lib.org hosting)
I agree with this. Expectations of anvil's return to duty shouldn't add to the pressure of getting it running again. -Ross. On 8/2/07, Kevin S. Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, to that effect, here's what I think the current options are: > > > > 1) Get it back up on anvil > > 2) Get it up on Dan's Machine > > 3) Put it up here at OSU > > My order of preference would be #3 else #2... though Dan's machine > might be easier if he already has an older version on there. > > Kevin > >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting the site back up (was code4lib.org hosting)
I agree with Jeremy that we need to do something about getting the site up ASAP, and support the idea for a vote by 3 PM EST vote. It sounds like Anvil isn't a solution for now, so I think we need to look at the other two options. I'm happy with either, but if I have to choose, I say: 2) Get it up on Dan's Machine That said,. Id really be just as happy with 3) Put it up here at OSU but I voted for Dan's because he offered first and because it sounded like he already has some of the needed stuff installed on his machine from a previous temporary hosting situation.. Edward Jeremy Frumkin said the following on 08/02/2007 11:11 AM: Hi Folks - So, I think many valid issues have been raised, especially Dan's and Karen's in regards to longevity and exit strategy, and long-term hosting of code4lib.org needs to be thought out carefully. But instead of delving into that at the moment, I'm starting a new thread here, because I personally have an immediate need for the site to be back up, and I believe we can do that outside the bounds of the long-term discussion. What I would like to propose is that we decide today how to get the site back up for the short term and where it can live during that time. Since there needs to be more extended discussion for planning out the long-term location of the site, I am fairly certain that there will need to be a migration of the site to its long-term home no matter where it is brought back up to now. So, to that effect, here's what I think the current options are: 1) Get it back up on anvil 2) Get it up on Dan's Machine 3) Put it up here at OSU I'm not pushing any of these immediate solutions - I just want the site back up. So, are there any other options to deal with our immediate issue, or can we do a quick (by 3 PM EST, say) vote on the above and get moving on bringing the site back up? -- jaf === Jeremy Frumkin The Gray Chair for Innovative Library Services 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State University Corvallis OR 97331-4501 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 541.737.9928 541.737.3453 (Fax) 541.230.4483 (Cell) === " Without ambition one starts nothing. Without work one finishes nothing. " - Emerson -- Edward M. Corrado http://www.tcnj.edu/~corrado/ Systems Librarian The College of New Jersey 403E TCNJ Library PO Box 7718 Ewing, NJ 08628-0718 Tel: 609.771.3337 Fax: 609.637.5177 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting the site back up (was code4lib.org hosting)
> So, to that effect, here's what I think the current options are: > > 1) Get it back up on anvil > 2) Get it up on Dan's Machine > 3) Put it up here at OSU My order of preference would be #3 else #2... though Dan's machine might be easier if he already has an older version on there. Kevin
[CODE4LIB] Getting the site back up (was code4lib.org hosting)
Hi Folks - So, I think many valid issues have been raised, especially Dan's and Karen's in regards to longevity and exit strategy, and long-term hosting of code4lib.org needs to be thought out carefully. But instead of delving into that at the moment, I'm starting a new thread here, because I personally have an immediate need for the site to be back up, and I believe we can do that outside the bounds of the long-term discussion. What I would like to propose is that we decide today how to get the site back up for the short term and where it can live during that time. Since there needs to be more extended discussion for planning out the long-term location of the site, I am fairly certain that there will need to be a migration of the site to its long-term home no matter where it is brought back up to now. So, to that effect, here's what I think the current options are: 1) Get it back up on anvil 2) Get it up on Dan's Machine 3) Put it up here at OSU I'm not pushing any of these immediate solutions - I just want the site back up. So, are there any other options to deal with our immediate issue, or can we do a quick (by 3 PM EST, say) vote on the above and get moving on bringing the site back up? -- jaf === Jeremy Frumkin The Gray Chair for Innovative Library Services 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State University Corvallis OR 97331-4501 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 541.737.9928 541.737.3453 (Fax) 541.230.4483 (Cell) === " Without ambition one starts nothing. Without work one finishes nothing. " - Emerson
