Re: [CODE4LIB] Informal survey regarding library website liberty

2014-09-05 Thread Brad Coffield
Everyone,

Thank you so much for the volume and helpfulness of the replies. There are
so many individual talking points in them! But, if I were to summarize, it
seems that there is agreement that library website liberty is the ideal.
Libguides 2.0 is certainly a possibility. I tried setting up the site in
1.0 but it just wasn't there. Once we're migrated I will likely build a
prototype just to see how it works.

Edward, I agree that perhaps the most important thing is campus recognition
that the library website is a unique and special sort of site. We had that
understanding in the past. It remains to be seen how it's going to be for
us now. It very well may work out well without any need for (library
website) secessionist drama.

Thanks again to everyone. It was very edifying and useful to hear about so
many different types of setups. It's reassuring :)

Warm regards,

Brad


On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Edward M. Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.us
wrote:

 At different jobs I have had this has been done this differently, but right
 now our main Website is hosted by our campus Communications  Marketing
 department (not campus IT although they do run the hardware from what I
 understand) using their CMS (OmniUpdate). This is a recent change (a little
 over a year now) for us. Previously, we have had our own Website. This
 switch has been a positive experience for us. The key, I think, is that the
 people that are in charge of the Web site understand that the Libraries
 have specific needs and they have been willing to work with us to make sure
 the site works for our patrons. Not only do we not have to worry about
 maintaining the server and what to do if it goes down at 1:00 am, CM has
 provided quality support and helped with design services. We did have to
 give up some control over some of the design elements including color,
 header, and footer. However, these are relatively minor and makes our Web
 presence more cohesive with the rest of the University. We did not give up
 any control of content. We do run other Web servers, however, for specific
 LAMP applications and our blog because that is not possible within
 OmniUpdate. Campus IT also runs some servers for us as do some external
 cloud providers - we do things differently on a case-by-case basis.

 Basically, I think going with a campus-wide CMS solution is good, but only
 if the people in charge are willing and able to work with the library and
 the library is willing to work with the people operating the CMS. This has
 been the case here so we have been successful.

 Edward




 On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Brad Coffield 
 bcoffield.libr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi all,
 
  I would love to hear from people about what sort of setup they have
  regarding linkage/collaboration/constrictions/freedom regarding
 campus-wide
  IT practices and CMS usage and the library website.
 
  Some history: For a very long time our library ran its own server and its
  own website, completely independent of campus-wide concerns (save for
  occasional requests for help from IT with server issues). A few years ago
  the server began to reach EOL and it was determined that we couldn't
 afford
  to get another. Also around the same time it was deemed that the library
  website needed a complete re-do. I was tapped to do that re-do. During
 that
  process the Marketing dept got involved and it was agreed upon that the
  library's general look should be aligned with the university's public
 site
  (which I think was a good idea). Then it was determined that because of
  that decision that the simplest way to achieve it was to put us inside
  their existing CMS which was already setup etc etc.
 
  Part of the problem is that the existing CMS is Ektron...
 
  The revised library site went live in Ektron 2 years ago. My marketing
  contact was a massive help in getting it live and training me in ektron
  etc. He is now no longer with the university and we are in the middle of
 a
  transition period.
 
  My inclination and desire is to regain some level of independence wherein
  we collaborate with IT in getting our own server space on their servers
 but
  are not tied to their decisions regarding CMS, how and when to go
  mobile-friendly, etc. Our site is still not fully, truly what it should
 be
  because of limitations with Ektron and I would like to get out of it. I
  would like to have the option to either run a CMS of my choice or go
  CMS-less (since I'm the only editor). I fear that the site will be held
  back from being able to do the things that it needs to do.
 
  I'm hoping that I can get some responses from you all that way I can
  informally say of x libraries that responded y of them are not firmly
 tied
  to IT. (or something to that effect) I'm also very curious to read
  responses because I'm sure they will be educational and help me to make
 our
  site better.
 
  THE QUESTION:
 
  What kind of setup does your library have regarding servers, IT dept
  

Re: [CODE4LIB] Informal survey regarding library website liberty

2014-09-03 Thread Edward M. Corrado
At different jobs I have had this has been done this differently, but right
now our main Website is hosted by our campus Communications  Marketing
department (not campus IT although they do run the hardware from what I
understand) using their CMS (OmniUpdate). This is a recent change (a little
over a year now) for us. Previously, we have had our own Website. This
switch has been a positive experience for us. The key, I think, is that the
people that are in charge of the Web site understand that the Libraries
have specific needs and they have been willing to work with us to make sure
the site works for our patrons. Not only do we not have to worry about
maintaining the server and what to do if it goes down at 1:00 am, CM has
provided quality support and helped with design services. We did have to
give up some control over some of the design elements including color,
header, and footer. However, these are relatively minor and makes our Web
presence more cohesive with the rest of the University. We did not give up
any control of content. We do run other Web servers, however, for specific
LAMP applications and our blog because that is not possible within
OmniUpdate. Campus IT also runs some servers for us as do some external
cloud providers - we do things differently on a case-by-case basis.

Basically, I think going with a campus-wide CMS solution is good, but only
if the people in charge are willing and able to work with the library and
the library is willing to work with the people operating the CMS. This has
been the case here so we have been successful.

Edward




On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Brad Coffield bcoffield.libr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi all,

 I would love to hear from people about what sort of setup they have
 regarding linkage/collaboration/constrictions/freedom regarding campus-wide
 IT practices and CMS usage and the library website.

 Some history: For a very long time our library ran its own server and its
 own website, completely independent of campus-wide concerns (save for
 occasional requests for help from IT with server issues). A few years ago
 the server began to reach EOL and it was determined that we couldn't afford
 to get another. Also around the same time it was deemed that the library
 website needed a complete re-do. I was tapped to do that re-do. During that
 process the Marketing dept got involved and it was agreed upon that the
 library's general look should be aligned with the university's public site
 (which I think was a good idea). Then it was determined that because of
 that decision that the simplest way to achieve it was to put us inside
 their existing CMS which was already setup etc etc.

 Part of the problem is that the existing CMS is Ektron...

 The revised library site went live in Ektron 2 years ago. My marketing
 contact was a massive help in getting it live and training me in ektron
 etc. He is now no longer with the university and we are in the middle of a
 transition period.

 My inclination and desire is to regain some level of independence wherein
 we collaborate with IT in getting our own server space on their servers but
 are not tied to their decisions regarding CMS, how and when to go
 mobile-friendly, etc. Our site is still not fully, truly what it should be
 because of limitations with Ektron and I would like to get out of it. I
 would like to have the option to either run a CMS of my choice or go
 CMS-less (since I'm the only editor). I fear that the site will be held
 back from being able to do the things that it needs to do.

 I'm hoping that I can get some responses from you all that way I can
 informally say of x libraries that responded y of them are not firmly tied
 to IT. (or something to that effect) I'm also very curious to read
 responses because I'm sure they will be educational and help me to make our
 site better.

 THE QUESTION:

 What kind of setup does your library have regarding servers, IT dept
 collaboration, CMS restrictions, anything else? I imagine that there are
 many unique situations. Any input you're willing to provide will be very
 welcome and useful.

 Thank you!

 Warm regards,

 Brad





 --
 Brad Coffield, MLIS
 Assistant Information and Web Services Librarian
 Saint Francis University
 814-472-3315
 bcoffi...@francis.edu



Re: [CODE4LIB] Informal survey regarding library website liberty

2014-09-02 Thread Hannah Co
Hi Brad,

My current workplace is set up in the campus CMS, Umbraco. It is very
limiting in what we can do (can't use widgets without permission), and
time-consuming to make edits. Apparently the state purchased another CMS,
and no other options will be available. I can't speak for what the new CMS
will be like, and how much freedom we will have with it (I'm not on that
committee), but I can say that the current CMS is not good for the library.

Hannah


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Brad Coffield bcoffield.libr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi all,

 I would love to hear from people about what sort of setup they have
 regarding linkage/collaboration/constrictions/freedom regarding campus-wide
 IT practices and CMS usage and the library website.

 Some history: For a very long time our library ran its own server and its
 own website, completely independent of campus-wide concerns (save for
 occasional requests for help from IT with server issues). A few years ago
 the server began to reach EOL and it was determined that we couldn't afford
 to get another. Also around the same time it was deemed that the library
 website needed a complete re-do. I was tapped to do that re-do. During that
 process the Marketing dept got involved and it was agreed upon that the
 library's general look should be aligned with the university's public site
 (which I think was a good idea). Then it was determined that because of
 that decision that the simplest way to achieve it was to put us inside
 their existing CMS which was already setup etc etc.

 Part of the problem is that the existing CMS is Ektron...

 The revised library site went live in Ektron 2 years ago. My marketing
 contact was a massive help in getting it live and training me in ektron
 etc. He is now no longer with the university and we are in the middle of a
 transition period.

 My inclination and desire is to regain some level of independence wherein
 we collaborate with IT in getting our own server space on their servers but
 are not tied to their decisions regarding CMS, how and when to go
 mobile-friendly, etc. Our site is still not fully, truly what it should be
 because of limitations with Ektron and I would like to get out of it. I
 would like to have the option to either run a CMS of my choice or go
 CMS-less (since I'm the only editor). I fear that the site will be held
 back from being able to do the things that it needs to do.

 I'm hoping that I can get some responses from you all that way I can
 informally say of x libraries that responded y of them are not firmly tied
 to IT. (or something to that effect) I'm also very curious to read
 responses because I'm sure they will be educational and help me to make our
 site better.

 THE QUESTION:

 What kind of setup does your library have regarding servers, IT dept
 collaboration, CMS restrictions, anything else? I imagine that there are
 many unique situations. Any input you're willing to provide will be very
 welcome and useful.

 Thank you!

 Warm regards,

 Brad





 --
 Brad Coffield, MLIS
 Assistant Information and Web Services Librarian
 Saint Francis University
 814-472-3315
 bcoffi...@francis.edu



Re: [CODE4LIB] Informal survey regarding library website liberty

2014-09-02 Thread Cornel Darden Jr
Hello,

I've worked for four different colleges and two of them used Sharepoint and 
allowed one person from each department to have minimal editing privileges. 
Those edits had to be approved before being published. We were allowed server 
space at the other institution and even though the melting department there had 
their hands in everything, they never thought about the Library's website. All 
four places complained about how restricted the library was in controlling its 
own content and all four library eventually used google sites and Springshare's 
Libguides to obviate the need for IT or anyone else to control the library's 
content. I think that is the best option. All you have to do is have a basic 
library website with a links to the guides or google sites. Custom URLs and 
institutional look and feel are ideal though. 

Thanks

Cornel Darden Jr. 
MSLIS

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 2, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Hannah Co hanna...@uw.edu wrote:
 
 Hi Brad,
 
 My current workplace is set up in the campus CMS, Umbraco. It is very
 limiting in what we can do (can't use widgets without permission), and
 time-consuming to make edits. Apparently the state purchased another CMS,
 and no other options will be available. I can't speak for what the new CMS
 will be like, and how much freedom we will have with it (I'm not on that
 committee), but I can say that the current CMS is not good for the library.
 
 Hannah
 
 
 On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Brad Coffield bcoffield.libr...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I would love to hear from people about what sort of setup they have
 regarding linkage/collaboration/constrictions/freedom regarding campus-wide
 IT practices and CMS usage and the library website.
 
 Some history: For a very long time our library ran its own server and its
 own website, completely independent of campus-wide concerns (save for
 occasional requests for help from IT with server issues). A few years ago
 the server began to reach EOL and it was determined that we couldn't afford
 to get another. Also around the same time it was deemed that the library
 website needed a complete re-do. I was tapped to do that re-do. During that
 process the Marketing dept got involved and it was agreed upon that the
 library's general look should be aligned with the university's public site
 (which I think was a good idea). Then it was determined that because of
 that decision that the simplest way to achieve it was to put us inside
 their existing CMS which was already setup etc etc.
 
 Part of the problem is that the existing CMS is Ektron...
 
 The revised library site went live in Ektron 2 years ago. My marketing
 contact was a massive help in getting it live and training me in ektron
 etc. He is now no longer with the university and we are in the middle of a
 transition period.
 
 My inclination and desire is to regain some level of independence wherein
 we collaborate with IT in getting our own server space on their servers but
 are not tied to their decisions regarding CMS, how and when to go
 mobile-friendly, etc. Our site is still not fully, truly what it should be
 because of limitations with Ektron and I would like to get out of it. I
 would like to have the option to either run a CMS of my choice or go
 CMS-less (since I'm the only editor). I fear that the site will be held
 back from being able to do the things that it needs to do.
 
 I'm hoping that I can get some responses from you all that way I can
 informally say of x libraries that responded y of them are not firmly tied
 to IT. (or something to that effect) I'm also very curious to read
 responses because I'm sure they will be educational and help me to make our
 site better.
 
 THE QUESTION:
 
 What kind of setup does your library have regarding servers, IT dept
 collaboration, CMS restrictions, anything else? I imagine that there are
 many unique situations. Any input you're willing to provide will be very
 welcome and useful.
 
 Thank you!
 
 Warm regards,
 
 Brad
 
 
 
 
 
 --
 Brad Coffield, MLIS
 Assistant Information and Web Services Librarian
 Saint Francis University
 814-472-3315
 bcoffi...@francis.edu
 


Re: [CODE4LIB] Informal survey regarding library website liberty

2014-09-02 Thread Joshua Welker
Brad,

The situation here was very similar to yours. The library had its own web
server for many years. After the previous library IT manager retired (and
before I was hired to replace him), it was decided that all the library
servers would be virtualized and live in the infrastructure provided by
campus IT. Before I started, the plan was tentatively to merge the library
website with the campus website, which uses Adobe Contribute and Coldfusion
(not fun). At the same time, the library had been planning internally to
redesign its website for years and to implement Drupal.

We wanted more access to the web server to do more complex stuff than static
web pages. When I resisted moving to the campus website, we were told that
the library would not be able to have its own server for our website because
it would be a security problem for us to have full OS-level access to a
server that lives in the infrastructure of campus IT. We ended up
outsourcing and renting a virtual server from Linode, and campus IT agreed
to point the library subdomain to that server. In the theoretical future
where the website is 100% finished and feature-complete (read: never), we
will create a design spec fully documenting what we need and how to manage
it at the OS level, and we will move back to an on-campus server.

There was definitely tension between the library and the campus IT
department throughout this whole process, although it remained very civil.
In part, we were able to pull this off because there were some major
personnel changes going on in the IT department, and they didn't have the
time to devote to figuring out an approach that they better preferred.

(As a side note, I ended up making an executive decision to drop Drupal
because it was causing way more problems than it was fixing, but that is
another story.)

Josh Welker
James C. Kirkpatrick Library
University of Central Missouri

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Brad
Coffield
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 10:40 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] Informal survey regarding library website liberty

Hi all,

I would love to hear from people about what sort of setup they have
regarding linkage/collaboration/constrictions/freedom regarding campus-wide
IT practices and CMS usage and the library website.

Some history: For a very long time our library ran its own server and its
own website, completely independent of campus-wide concerns (save for
occasional requests for help from IT with server issues). A few years ago
the server began to reach EOL and it was determined that we couldn't afford
to get another. Also around the same time it was deemed that the library
website needed a complete re-do. I was tapped to do that re-do. During that
process the Marketing dept got involved and it was agreed upon that the
library's general look should be aligned with the university's public site
(which I think was a good idea). Then it was determined that because of that
decision that the simplest way to achieve it was to put us inside their
existing CMS which was already setup etc etc.

Part of the problem is that the existing CMS is Ektron...

The revised library site went live in Ektron 2 years ago. My marketing
contact was a massive help in getting it live and training me in ektron etc.
He is now no longer with the university and we are in the middle of a
transition period.

My inclination and desire is to regain some level of independence wherein we
collaborate with IT in getting our own server space on their servers but are
not tied to their decisions regarding CMS, how and when to go
mobile-friendly, etc. Our site is still not fully, truly what it should be
because of limitations with Ektron and I would like to get out of it. I
would like to have the option to either run a CMS of my choice or go
CMS-less (since I'm the only editor). I fear that the site will be held back
from being able to do the things that it needs to do.

I'm hoping that I can get some responses from you all that way I can
informally say of x libraries that responded y of them are not firmly tied
to IT. (or something to that effect) I'm also very curious to read
responses because I'm sure they will be educational and help me to make our
site better.

THE QUESTION:

What kind of setup does your library have regarding servers, IT dept
collaboration, CMS restrictions, anything else? I imagine that there are
many unique situations. Any input you're willing to provide will be very
welcome and useful.

Thank you!

Warm regards,

Brad





--
Brad Coffield, MLIS
Assistant Information and Web Services Librarian Saint Francis University
814-472-3315
bcoffi...@francis.edu


Re: [CODE4LIB] Informal survey regarding library website liberty

2014-09-02 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Sep 2, 2014, at 11:39 AM, Brad Coffield wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I would love to hear from people about what sort of setup they have
 regarding linkage/collaboration/constrictions/freedom regarding campus-wide
 IT practices and CMS usage and the library website.

[trimmed]


 I'm hoping that I can get some responses from you all that way I can
 informally say of x libraries that responded y of them are not firmly tied
 to IT. (or something to that effect) I'm also very curious to read
 responses because I'm sure they will be educational and help me to make our
 site better.
 
 THE QUESTION:
 
 What kind of setup does your library have regarding servers, IT dept
 collaboration, CMS restrictions, anything else? I imagine that there are
 many unique situations. Any input you're willing to provide will be very
 welcome and useful.


So, rather than answer the question (as I don't work for a library), but
I worked in central IT for a university for ~7 years:

If you're going to consider using central IT for your infrastructure,
ask them what sort of service guarantees they're willing to provide.
This is typically called a 'Service Level Agreement', where they
spell out who's responsible for what, response times, acceptable
downtime / maintenance windows, etc.  It may include costs, but that
may be a separate document.

Typically, the hosted solutions are best when you've just got a few pages
that rarely get updated (once a year or so); if you're pulling info from a
database to display on a website, most shared solutions fall flat on their
face.  They might have a database where you could store stuff to make
data-driven web pages, but they rarely are flexible enough to interface
with some external server.

So, anyway ... it doesn't matter what other schools do if your IT dept.
can't provide the services you need.  If they *can* provide it, you need
to weight costs vs. level of service ... the cost savings may not be
worth it if they regularly take the server down for maintenance at times
when you need it.

-Joe


Re: [CODE4LIB] Informal survey regarding library website liberty

2014-09-02 Thread Coral Sheldon-Hess
I was lucky to work for an academic library that served two universities,
so we ran our own servers and got to pick our own look.

BUT, the municipal library down the street was stuck in a bad CMS, with
municipal IT that didn't want to spend time helping them. (I'm
over-simplifying, a little, to make a point.)

So they bought LibGuides, and they're slowly moving their whole site into
that. I think they're on 1.0, but LibGuides 2.0 is flexible enough to allow
for a real website look. That was actually my backup plan, if the bigger
of our two universities ever got unreasonable, or if our server broke (or
our building burned down or or or).

- Coral


Re: [CODE4LIB] Informal survey regarding library website liberty

2014-09-02 Thread Jason Bengtson
Right now we have our own server, although we plan to make some changes in
the future. I anticipate moving our client-side stuff into LibGuides CMS
and our apps and server-side stuff over to a non-campus hosted linux
environment. Part of the reason we have our own server is because of
reliability issues with the campus virtual hosting. We spoke to IT about
the on-campus CMS but I have no interest in using it. If we didn't have our
own instance we'd be completely locked down and locked in. If we paid to
license our own instance we'd be reliant on a Windows stack for that CMS
and it wouldn't be cheap. I really recommend that libraries resist any of
these attempts by campuses to turn their web efforts into a shake and bake
shop through the application of (often junky) locked-down campus CMS
solutions. I have yet to see that end well for the library.

Best regards,
*Jason Bengtson, MLIS, MA*

Head of Library Computing and Information Systems
Assistant Professor, Graduate College
Department of Health Sciences Library and Information Management
University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center
405-271-2285, opt. 5
405-271-3297 (fax)
jason-bengt...@ouhsc.edu
http://library.ouhsc.edu
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Coral Sheldon-Hess co...@sheldon-hess.org
wrote:

 I was lucky to work for an academic library that served two universities,
 so we ran our own servers and got to pick our own look.

 BUT, the municipal library down the street was stuck in a bad CMS, with
 municipal IT that didn't want to spend time helping them. (I'm
 over-simplifying, a little, to make a point.)

 So they bought LibGuides, and they're slowly moving their whole site into
 that. I think they're on 1.0, but LibGuides 2.0 is flexible enough to allow
 for a real website look. That was actually my backup plan, if the bigger
 of our two universities ever got unreasonable, or if our server broke (or
 our building burned down or or or).

 - Coral



Re: [CODE4LIB] Informal survey regarding library website liberty

2014-09-02 Thread Cary Gordon
Hi Junior,

We have been hosting library sites for 14 years and Drupal sites for over 7 
years. Two years ago we shuttered our data center that was located three 
stories underground in an LA bank vault (really) and executed a plan that was 
four years in the making and moved everything to AWS. We leverage CI and other 
automation to reduce the boring parts of our job, and AWS's reliability reduces 
the exciting parts. We are AWS consulting partners and have been initiated into 
the AWS black arts and crafts.

While we would love to have more clients, this is not an ad for us. We have a 
long standing policy of answering any question regarding Drupal and Drupal 
hosting that is asked on the Drupal4Lib list for the low price of absolutely 
nothing. We might not have every answer, but if we don't, odds are that someone 
else on the list will. This is the good stuff. We don't hold back.

Drop in and fire away.

Thanks,

Cary

On Sep 2, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Junior Tidal jti...@citytech.cuny.edu wrote:

 Hi Brad,
 
 When first starting working, our library web server was on a shared Windows 
 IIS server with several other departments, which prevented us from using a 
 CMS due to security concerns. The initial site was a static set of pages, so 
 we couldn't install PHP, MySQL, etc.
 
 Through the encouragement of our then Chief Librarian, I wrote a proposal to 
 our provost so the library could have our own LAMP server so we could install 
 Drupal. The proposal was approved, but the tradeoff was that it was the 
 library's responsibility (me) to administer the web server. IT hosted the 
 server in their server room, but we had to maintain security, OS/site 
 upgrades, and backups. That's not to say that our IT department wasn't 
 helpful, they were more hands off. 
 
 We've had our own server for the last 5-6 years, but it's now on its last 
 legs. We've installed open-source CMSs such as Drupal, WordPress, and 
 MediaWiki so we've certainly outgrown our current server. We also need to 
 desperately upgrade our Drupal install, so we can rollout our responsive 
 redesign.
 
 We're migrating (hopefully this week) to the cloud to an Amazon instance with 
 a LAMP setup. IT was consulted to approve the purchase for the cloud 
 instance. I think this is a wise move, since there will be less worry for 
 everyone about hardware upgrades and systems maintenance. 
 
 I personally think that if your library can system administrate your own 
 server it not only makes you less dependent on your institution's IT, but it 
 allows for the site to grow and evolve for newer web technologies. 
 
 Best,
 Junior
 
 Junior Tidal
 Assistant Professor
 Web Services and Multimedia Librarian
 New York City College of Technology, CUNY 
 300 Jay Street, Rm A434
 Brooklyn, NY 11201
 718.260.5481
 
 http://library.citytech.cuny.edu
 
 
 Brad Coffield bcoffield.libr...@gmail.com 9/2/2014 11:39 AM 
 THE QUESTION:
 
 What kind of setup does your library have regarding servers, IT dept
 collaboration, CMS restrictions, anything else? I imagine that there are
 many unique situations. Any input you're willing to provide will be very
 welcome and useful.


Re: [CODE4LIB] Informal survey regarding library website liberty

2014-09-02 Thread Riley Childs
We run our koha and library site on an Ubuntu instance in Hyper-V (2008 for 2 
yrs and 2012 for the past month) and have for several years (Hyper-V 2012 
actually has fantastic Linux support I would actually recommend it over ESXi or 
Citrix Xen, both of which I have been lucky enough to have used in production). 
I am a one man library/IT guy (collaboration: Me talking to myself)and I have a 
little more control over the servers then most. As far as updates on our Ubuntu 
VMs go I really dont have any issues because I normally just live clone the VM 
(I really like hyperv 2012 R2), issue apt-get upgrade, test, test, test, and 
then run apt-get upgrade on the production VM. Besides, our IT Consultants 
(shout out to Quo Vadis) are pretty Linux friendly, which is rare in the SMB 
market.
From what I understand, though, the above paragraph is the exception rather 
then the rule. I am interested to hear what others have to share.

//Riley

Riley Childs
Senior
Charlotte United Christian Academy
Library Services Administrator
IT Services
(704) 497-2086
rileychilds.net
@rowdychildren

From: Cary Gordonmailto:listu...@chillco.com
Sent: ‎9/‎2/‎2014 5:51 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Informal survey regarding library website liberty

Hi Junior,

We have been hosting library sites for 14 years and Drupal sites for over 7 
years. Two years ago we shuttered our data center that was located three 
stories underground in an LA bank vault (really) and executed a plan that was 
four years in the making and moved everything to AWS. We leverage CI and other 
automation to reduce the boring parts of our job, and AWS's reliability reduces 
the exciting parts. We are AWS consulting partners and have been initiated into 
the AWS black arts and crafts.

While we would love to have more clients, this is not an ad for us. We have a 
long standing policy of answering any question regarding Drupal and Drupal 
hosting that is asked on the Drupal4Lib list for the low price of absolutely 
nothing. We might not have every answer, but if we don't, odds are that someone 
else on the list will. This is the good stuff. We don't hold back.

Drop in and fire away.

Thanks,

Cary

On Sep 2, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Junior Tidal jti...@citytech.cuny.edu wrote:

 Hi Brad,

 When first starting working, our library web server was on a shared Windows 
 IIS server with several other departments, which prevented us from using a 
 CMS due to security concerns. The initial site was a static set of pages, so 
 we couldn't install PHP, MySQL, etc.

 Through the encouragement of our then Chief Librarian, I wrote a proposal to 
 our provost so the library could have our own LAMP server so we could install 
 Drupal. The proposal was approved, but the tradeoff was that it was the 
 library's responsibility (me) to administer the web server. IT hosted the 
 server in their server room, but we had to maintain security, OS/site 
 upgrades, and backups. That's not to say that our IT department wasn't 
 helpful, they were more hands off.

 We've had our own server for the last 5-6 years, but it's now on its last 
 legs. We've installed open-source CMSs such as Drupal, WordPress, and 
 MediaWiki so we've certainly outgrown our current server. We also need to 
 desperately upgrade our Drupal install, so we can rollout our responsive 
 redesign.

 We're migrating (hopefully this week) to the cloud to an Amazon instance with 
 a LAMP setup. IT was consulted to approve the purchase for the cloud 
 instance. I think this is a wise move, since there will be less worry for 
 everyone about hardware upgrades and systems maintenance.

 I personally think that if your library can system administrate your own 
 server it not only makes you less dependent on your institution's IT, but it 
 allows for the site to grow and evolve for newer web technologies.

 Best,
 Junior

 Junior Tidal
 Assistant Professor
 Web Services and Multimedia Librarian
 New York City College of Technology, CUNY
 300 Jay Street, Rm A434
 Brooklyn, NY 11201
 718.260.5481

 http://library.citytech.cuny.edu


 Brad Coffield bcoffield.libr...@gmail.com 9/2/2014 11:39 AM 
 THE QUESTION:

 What kind of setup does your library have regarding servers, IT dept
 collaboration, CMS restrictions, anything else? I imagine that there are
 many unique situations. Any input you're willing to provide will be very
 welcome and useful.