WMS fun and games (Was: where are we)

2003-02-01 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik

There is a WMS (OpenGIS Web Mapping Server) available at

http://demo.asemantics.com/wms/asf/

or in older GIS packages

http://demo.asemantics.com/wms/asf/?Request=GetCapabilities

For those who do not have ArcInfo or other GIS tools; see

http://demo.asemantics.com/wms/asf/WMSClient.jar

which is a very simple browse/zoom/scale tool.

And this is what you then see (screenshots):

http://demo.asemantics.com/wms/asf/x4.gif
http://demo.asemantics.com/wms/asf/x1.gif
http://demo.asemantics.com/wms/asf/x2.gif
http://demo.asemantics.com/wms/asf/x3.gif

Instructions:
run the jar
java -jar WMSClient.jar
Select
'demo.asemantics.com' in the top pull down and
hit
the little yellow lightning strike

Then in the middle left pane a list of resources
appears. open the ASF one and double click on the one:

Location

Zoom in as you want :-)

But this is no fun; as there are no other layers (background maps). So
form the top pull down select 'globe.digitalearth.gov' and pull in
a few entries from 'Context layers'.

If you start pulling in layers from the physical paprameters; be aware
of orders; those usually are NOT transparant; so use the 'up/down' to
move them to the bottom of your stack.

There are quite a few other example apps you can use

http://www.demis.nl/DEMIS_UK/Products/Demis%20Map%20Server.htm

and the OGC lists but a few of them:

http://www.opengis.org/testing/product/index.php

Note: error handling is far from conformant; and getFeatureInfo is
not (yet) implemented - and not sure if I should :-)

Dw.




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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-31 Thread David Crossley
Ben Hyde wrote:
 
 Rich Bowen wrote:
   Where's a good place to get (correct) coordinates?
 
 I got mine off the topo-map in the basement stairway, come on over.
 
 Failing that:
http://www.topozone.com/ -- you have to tinker to get lat/long
http://mapquest.com/ -- preferred by the guys at 
 http://www.geocaching.com/
 
 Then there is borrowing a GPS.

We have a listing of some useful services at:
http://www.indexgeo.com.au/location.html

It is very hard to find an online gazetteer that is
not Americo-centric and has world-wide placenames.
Our page lists a few such world-wide placename lookups.

Another useful one is the GeoTags clickable zoomable world map
to get approximate co-ordinates.

--David






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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-31 Thread Konstantin Piroumian
From: Ben Hyde [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 There are 14 folks in committers/urls.txt now.

 http://www.cozy.org/ben/map.jpg

 Surprisingly few people in the bay area, go figure.

 Three don't have geo info in the referenced page so...

 so I took Mr. Davidson's[1] advice and dumped them in the Pacific.

http://www.cozy.org/ben/private_map.jpg  (that's temporary)

Europe is overpopulated. Labels are hardly read.
Welcome to Russia. We have a lot of space here. It's just a matter of
removing the minus sign in the first coordinate ;)

--
  Konstantin


 There are lots of things people could start adding.

 A tester to see if the URL has any useful info.

 Grab links like:
   link rel=alternate type=application/rss+xml title=RSS
 href=http://enthusiasm.cozy.org//index.rdf; /
 and color the dots to show recent updates (xplanet will let you specify
 a color with the locations).

 Scan the logs (cvs, mail) and color on recent activity.

 Color using the info in:
committers/board/committee-info.txt

 Get your subcommunity to pile onto the bandwagon.

 Put the map someplace on the apache.org sites.

 Use a .qmail-foobar file on cvs.apache.org trigger automatic rebuilds

 have fun!

   - ben

 [1] James Duncan Davidson wrote:
  ... in Hawaii. With another cluster in Amsterdam. :)


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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-31 Thread Ben Hyde
On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 12:48 PM, Santiago Gala wrote:
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
Ben Hyde wrote:
http://www.cozy.org/ben/map.jpg
heh.  lookit all the developers in the middle of the pacific. :-)
I'm currently dumping people who's pages lack a location meta tag into
the Pacific, but I'm considering sprinkling them over the Antarctic 
instead.

When I ran it on cvs this (european) morning it was even worse: 
crosley lived on the edge. :-)

I had a patch fot this, then I got a conflict. Still, I think
:-)  Apparently we were both trying to rescue Mr. Crosley from getting 
torn apart at the same time.

Index: Makefile
===
RCS file: /home/cvs/committers/krell/Makefile,v
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -r1.3 Makefile
--- Makefile	31 Jan 2003 13:28:02 -	1.3
+++ Makefile	31 Jan 2003 17:46:59 -
@@ -22,7 +22,7 @@
 # -longitude -30 -color yellow
 # All day
 SKIN=-geometry 800x400 -night_image earth.jpg -projection rectangular 
\
- -longitude -0 -color red
+ -longitude 10 -color red

 all : $(MAP) $(PRIVATEMAP)
Is better, since it minimises risk of land being on the edge :-)
yes better, committed.
 - thanks - ben
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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-31 Thread Santiago Gala
Ben Hyde wrote:
(...)
yes better, committed.
Now, if I could get jeremias off my back, it would be great :-)
 - thanks - ben
Thanks to you. It is very funny.
Regards,
 Santiago

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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-31 Thread B. W. Fitzpatrick

Santiago Gala [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Ben Hyde wrote:

  yes better, committed.

 Thanks to you. It is very funny.

The Apache Software Foundation--we put the fun in dysfunctional!


-Fitz

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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-30 Thread Ben Hyde
Sander Striker wrote:
From: David N. Welton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:49 PM

Ceki G|lc| [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What do URLs have to do with Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles?
Does not compute.
Really... who wants to parse up some file, and have a spider visit a
bunch of sites just to get the same information that could have been
put in a file on cvs.apache.org or directly in the committers
repository.
+1.  As someone who doesn't maintain a personal site and doesn't
want to just to put ICBM info there, I'd prefer to just put my
info in a file directly.
Fair.
Good news, you don't need to have a personal site, all you need is a 
place to put a page you control.  Happy day there is your 
~/public_html/foobar.html on cvs.apache.org, e.g. 
http://cvs.apache.org/~bhyde/

Then I'll admit I had assorted hidden agendas.
I'm very interested the theory and practice of an identity system that 
avoids having _any_ hub what so ever.  I'm sad to have the url.txt file 
at all.  I'd rather have done some of those cool new uri/dns tricks.

I'm curious if it's actually viable for identity info to be maintained 
closer to the entity identified rather than the identity provider.

I believe that such info should be volunteered rather than ascribed.
I'm very interested in the problem of how you aggregate knowledge about 
entities in any identity system with out prejudging what that info 
might be.  So I tried to pick the least-est info to accumulate it first 
and I wanted it distributed immediately so that it would force the 
enterprise to never assume it had control very much over the actual 
data.

I think for a hack like this to scale well and grow fast you need to 
have it spitting fun value out at every step along the way.

It's more fun for me to scrap than design XML schemas.
I think it's healthy if the schema designers are trying to catch up 
with the genie after it gets out of the bottle.

I wanted to have some fun in this list, but fast.
 - ben
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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-30 Thread Ben Hyde
This will scrap the locations...
#!/usr/bin/perl
use LWP::UserAgent;
my $ua = LWP::UserAgent-new(timeout=30, agent=Krell-GeoScraper/0.1  
);
# $ua-agent();
open(F, urls.txt);
while(F){
  chop;
  my ($username, $url) = split(/: */, $_, 2);
  my $res = $ua-request(HTTP::Request-new(GET = $url));
  my ($lat, $lon)
= $res-content
  =~  
m{meta\s+name\s*=\s*ICBM\s+content=(\s*[.+0-9-]*)\s*[,;]\s*([.+0-9- 
]*)\s*\s*[/]*}is
	if $res-is_success;
  print $username:$lat:$lon:$url\n;
}
close(F);

...  i.e.
bhyde:42.41528:-71.15694:http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/
erikabele:48.7942:10.1151:http://www.codefaktor.de/weblog/
coar:35.90528:-78.85000:http://Ken.Coar.Org/blog/
fitz:-87.67350:41.97200:http://www.red-bean.com/fitz/
jwoolley:::http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~jcw5q/
stevenn:51.0749:3.7473:http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
thommay:51.502798:-0.329835:http://www.planetarytramp.net/
  - ben
ps. I kind of feel somewhat that the user names are private and ought  
not appear in any public reports; humm...
pps. you gotta love regular expression, well you do if your ever going  
to understand da bastards.

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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-30 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik


On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Rich Bowen wrote:

 I got coordinates from one of the sources listed on the website that you
 pointed to, but when I then reverse-lookedup the coordinates, it put me
 somewhere near Pittsburgh. Where's a good place to get (correct)
 coordinates?


US people often forget the '-' and consequently end up in Russia; whcih is
where all plusses go :-) Just make it West.

Dw.


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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-30 Thread Ben Hyde
On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 06:20 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
 Where's a good place to get (correct) coordinates?
I got mine off the topo-map in the basement stairway, come on over.
Failing that:
  http://www.topozone.com/ -- you have to tinker to get lat/long
  http://mapquest.com/ -- preferred by the guys at 
http://www.geocaching.com/

Then there is borrowing a GPS.
Meanwhile this map:
  http://www.fsfeurope.org/coposys/maps/fsf-800x400.png
claimed to come from this software:
  http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/coposys/
That in turn appears to be based on xplanet
  http://xplanet.sourceforge.net/
or at least it's ./configure ...
 - ben
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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-30 Thread Ben Hyde
http://www.cozy.org/ben/map.jpg
  cvs up committers
  cd committers/krell
  make
  ... creates map.jpg
assuming you have xplanet
A mac os x installer package for xplanet is available here:
   
http://macosx.forked.net/showcat.php?cat=Miscellaneoussortmethod=name
   - put's it in /usr/local/bin

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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-30 Thread Santiago Gala
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
(...)
If I had to do it, I would do it as transparent as possible, otherwise 
lazy butts (me, for example) won't update their geolocations and the 
whole thing will lag behind pretty soon.

For map generation, it shouldn't be that hard maybe borrow some 
xearth routines.

I have used the mapblast server, to generate things like:
http://www.nodedb.com/europe/es/madrid/view.php?nodeid=4 (I'm not 
related with the node db people, but it gives an idea of my office location)

I'm not sure about copyright, restrictions, etc., since I started using 
it with gpsdrive por personal (not republishing) use. It starts like:

   You may use the Vicinity Content only for your personal and
   noncommercial use, only over the Internet through a landline
   connection,and only with one central processing unit at any one
   time.
And then it follows with further legalese that I can't understand.
Regards,
 Santiago
P.S.) I just noticed that my proxy server is a dual-processor and that I 
have a wireless network setup... (Shrug) I should stop using it, I think.

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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-30 Thread James Duncan Davidson
On Wednesday, Jan 29, 2003, at 11:15 US/Pacific, David Reid wrote:
Do we have to be truthful and honest? :) Maybe we could have one that 
shows
where we'd *like* to be...
There would be this big cluster over in Hawaii. With another cluster in 
Amsterdam. :)

James Duncan Davidson
Coder, Speaker, Author
http://x180.net/
[life live];
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Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Ben Hyde
I wonder if we could do something fun.
I think it would be fun to have a map that shows where the various 
people in the community are located on the planet.

My fuzzy idea is that members of the community would put ICBM tags[1] 
on some web page of their.  That can drive the map building.  Use the 
author tag to grab their names.  They then put some other kind of tag 
on a page, like
  meta name=ASF-KIND content=committer
They then poke something we keep back at central command so we can 
accumulate the list.  If we use committers repository for that we can 
easily authenticate people.

If we keep it simple to start we can obviously do assorted richer 
things later, but if all we try to do up front is get a map of the 
committers that would be sufficiently neat.

wdyt?
 - ben
[1] http://geourl.com/
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RE: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Cool +1..
I've already setup geoUrl so the headers are in place. (except for the
ASF-KIND though)

Mvgr,
Martin

 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Hyde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 19:58
 To: community@apache.org
 Subject: Where are we?


 I wonder if we could do something fun.

 I think it would be fun to have a map that shows where the various
 people in the community are located on the planet.

 My fuzzy idea is that members of the community would put ICBM tags[1]
 on some web page of their.  That can drive the map building.  Use the
 author tag to grab their names.  They then put some other kind of tag
 on a page, like
meta name=ASF-KIND content=committer
 They then poke something we keep back at central command so we can
 accumulate the list.  If we use committers repository for that we can
 easily authenticate people.

 If we keep it simple to start we can obviously do assorted richer
 things later, but if all we try to do up front is get a map of the
 committers that would be sufficiently neat.

 wdyt?

   - ben

 [1] http://geourl.com/


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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Ben Hyde
Actually we could skip the ASF-KIND boondoggle at first too.  At that 
point the only thing we need is to collect URL's that have the icbm 
info in them.  This will make so much easier for the authorities when 
the time comes!  - ben

On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 02:03 PM, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
Cool +1..
I've already setup geoUrl so the headers are in place. (except for the
ASF-KIND though)
Mvgr,
Martin
-Original Message-
From: Ben Hyde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 19:58
To: community@apache.org
Subject: Where are we?
I wonder if we could do something fun.
I think it would be fun to have a map that shows where the various
people in the community are located on the planet.
My fuzzy idea is that members of the community would put ICBM tags[1]
on some web page of their.  That can drive the map building.  Use the
author tag to grab their names.  They then put some other kind of tag
on a page, like
   meta name=ASF-KIND content=committer
They then poke something we keep back at central command so we can
accumulate the list.  If we use committers repository for that we can
easily authenticate people.
If we keep it simple to start we can obviously do assorted richer
things later, but if all we try to do up front is get a map of the
committers that would be sufficiently neat.
wdyt?
  - ben
[1] http://geourl.com/
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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread David Reid
Do we have to be truthful and honest? :) Maybe we could have one that shows
where we'd *like* to be...

david

- Original Message -
From: Ben Hyde [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: community@apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Where are we?


 Actually we could skip the ASF-KIND boondoggle at first too.  At that
 point the only thing we need is to collect URL's that have the icbm
 info in them.  This will make so much easier for the authorities when
 the time comes!  - ben

 On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 02:03 PM, Martin van den Bemt wrote:

  Cool +1..
  I've already setup geoUrl so the headers are in place. (except for the
  ASF-KIND though)
 
  Mvgr,
  Martin
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ben Hyde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 19:58
  To: community@apache.org
  Subject: Where are we?
 
 
  I wonder if we could do something fun.
 
  I think it would be fun to have a map that shows where the various
  people in the community are located on the planet.
 
  My fuzzy idea is that members of the community would put ICBM tags[1]
  on some web page of their.  That can drive the map building.  Use the
  author tag to grab their names.  They then put some other kind of tag
  on a page, like
 meta name=ASF-KIND content=committer
  They then poke something we keep back at central command so we can
  accumulate the list.  If we use committers repository for that we can
  easily authenticate people.
 
  If we keep it simple to start we can obviously do assorted richer
  things later, but if all we try to do up front is get a map of the
  committers that would be sufficiently neat.
 
  wdyt?
 
- ben
 
  [1] http://geourl.com/
 
 
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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Wednesday, January 29, 2003 19:15:16 + David Reid 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Do we have to be truthful and honest? :) Maybe we could have one that
shows where we'd *like* to be...
In your case, we could show where your plane is.  40,000ft above the 
Atlantic Ocean in the middle of nowhere.  =)  -- justin

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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Thom May
* Justin Erenkrantz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 --On Wednesday, January 29, 2003 19:15:16 + David Reid 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Do we have to be truthful and honest? :) Maybe we could have one that
 shows where we'd *like* to be...
 
 In your case, we could show where your plane is.  40,000ft above the 
 Atlantic Ocean in the middle of nowhere.  =)  -- justin
 
But that would only apply the one day a month he's actually working... ;-)
-Thom

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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Ben Hyde

[1] http://geourl.com/
ekk!  I meant:http://geourl.org/
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RE: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Just heard a plain is perfect for spec writing :) (Dirk-Willem?)
The result is called PLOP (for belgians and dutch people with kids : Nee
geen Kabouter Plop!)
See http://www-nrc.nokia.com/mail-archive/ietf-spatial/msg00358.html for
details :)

Mvgr,
Martin

 -Original Message-
 From: Justin Erenkrantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 20:25
 To: community@apache.org
 Subject: Re: Where are we?


 --On Wednesday, January 29, 2003 19:15:16 + David Reid
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Do we have to be truthful and honest? :) Maybe we could have one that
  shows where we'd *like* to be...

 In your case, we could show where your plane is.  40,000ft above the
 Atlantic Ocean in the middle of nowhere.  =)  -- justin

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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread David Reid
 * Justin Erenkrantz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 
  Do we have to be truthful and honest? :) Maybe we could have one that
  shows where we'd *like* to be...
 
  In your case, we could show where your plane is.  40,000ft above the
  Atlantic Ocean in the middle of nowhere.  =)  -- justin

Hmm, I could have it dynamically updated! That would be coolness

 
 But that would only apply the one day a month he's actually working... ;-)

Yeah right. More like the 25 days a month it feels like I'm doing at present
:)

david



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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Ben Hyde
Never right specs in a fright container.
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 02:36 PM, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
Just heard a plain is perfect for spec writing :) (Dirk-Willem?)
The result is called PLOP (for belgians and dutch people with kids : 
Nee
geen Kabouter Plop!)
See http://www-nrc.nokia.com/mail-archive/ietf-spatial/msg00358.html 
for
details :)

Mvgr,
Martin
-Original Message-
From: Justin Erenkrantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 20:25
To: community@apache.org
Subject: Re: Where are we?
--On Wednesday, January 29, 2003 19:15:16 + David Reid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do we have to be truthful and honest? :) Maybe we could have one that
shows where we'd *like* to be...
In your case, we could show where your plane is.  40,000ft above the
Atlantic Ocean in the middle of nowhere.  =)  -- justin
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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Steven Noels
Ben Hyde wrote:
I wonder if we could do something fun.
I think it would be fun to have a map that shows where the various 
people in the community are located on the planet.
enthusiast +1
My fuzzy idea is that members of the community would put ICBM tags[1] on 
some web page of their.  That can drive the map building.  Use the 
author tag to grab their names.  They then put some other kind of tag on 
a page, like
  meta name=ASF-KIND content=committer
They then poke something we keep back at central command so we can 
accumulate the list.  If we use committers repository for that we can 
easily authenticate people.
View source of http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/:
meta name=author content=Steven Noels/
meta name=ICBM content=51.0749, 3.7473 /
meta name=DC.title content=Outer Web Thought Log /
meta name=ASF.role content=committer /
meta name=ASF.id content=stevenn /
If we keep it simple to start we can obviously do assorted richer things 
later, but if all we try to do up front is get a map of the committers 
that would be sufficiently neat.

wdyt?
Fun indeed!
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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
What do URLs have to do with Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles? Does not 
compute.

At 14:11 29.01.2003 -0500, you wrote:
Actually we could skip the ASF-KIND boondoggle at first too.  At that 
point the only thing we need is to collect URL's that have the icbm info 
in them.  This will make so much easier for the authorities when the time 
comes!  - ben

On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 02:03 PM, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
Cool +1..
I've already setup geoUrl so the headers are in place. (except for the
ASF-KIND though)
Mvgr,
Martin
-Original Message-
From: Ben Hyde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 19:58
To: community@apache.org
Subject: Where are we?
I wonder if we could do something fun.
I think it would be fun to have a map that shows where the various
people in the community are located on the planet.
My fuzzy idea is that members of the community would put ICBM tags[1]
on some web page of their.  That can drive the map building.  Use the
author tag to grab their names.  They then put some other kind of tag
on a page, like
   meta name=ASF-KIND content=committer
They then poke something we keep back at central command so we can
accumulate the list.  If we use committers repository for that we can
easily authenticate people.
If we keep it simple to start we can obviously do assorted richer
things later, but if all we try to do up front is get a map of the
committers that would be sufficiently neat.
wdyt?
  - ben
[1] http://geourl.com/
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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Thom May
* Ben Hyde ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 I wonder if we could do something fun.
 
 I think it would be fun to have a map that shows where the various 
 people in the community are located on the planet.
 

me like :-)
+1
-Thom

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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Ben Hyde wrote:
 I wonder if we could do something fun.
 
 I think it would be fun to have a map that shows where the various 
 people in the community are located on the planet.
 
 My fuzzy idea is that members of the community would put ICBM tags[1] 
 on some web page of their.  That can drive the map building.  Use the 
 author tag to grab their names.  They then put some other kind of tag 
 on a page, like
meta name=ASF-KIND content=committer
 They then poke something we keep back at central command so we can 
 accumulate the list.  If we use committers repository for that we can 
 easily authenticate people.
 
 If we keep it simple to start we can obviously do assorted richer 
 things later, but if all we try to do up front is get a map of the 
 committers that would be sufficiently neat.
 
 wdyt?

cool.  i did this a couple of weeks ago in my web log pages
url:http://ken.coar.org/blog/.  i didn't make the connexion
with using it to find out where *we* are; that's excellent.
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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Steven Noels
Ben Hyde wrote:
% cvs -d cvs.apache.org:/home/cvs co committers
% echo 'http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/'  committers/urls.txt
% cvs ci -m 'Add Ben' committers/urls.txt
done, I added my account ID so that maybe Sam  Jim can pick up that 
file and use it for their committer/member overview, too

That's about as low on the food chain as we can go 'knowledge 
representation' wise.  Should we climb higher, and if so ... why?
nope, KISS
Anybody know how to make a map?
not yet - but it is fun thing to ponder with :)
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RE: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Done for me too..

Mvgr,
Martin

 -Original Message-
 From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 21:49
 To: community@apache.org
 Subject: Re: Where are we?
 
 
 Ben Hyde wrote:
 
  % cvs -d cvs.apache.org:/home/cvs co committers
  % echo 'http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/'  committers/urls.txt
  % cvs ci -m 'Add Ben' committers/urls.txt
 
 done, I added my account ID so that maybe Sam  Jim can pick up that 
 file and use it for their committer/member overview, too
 
  That's about as low on the food chain as we can go 'knowledge 
  representation' wise.  Should we climb higher, and if so ... why?
 
 nope, KISS
 
  Anybody know how to make a map?
 
 not yet - but it is fun thing to ponder with :)
 
 /Steven
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 Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Sander Temme
 My fuzzy idea is that members of the community would put ICBM tags[1]
 on some web page of their.  That can drive the map building.  Use the

 [1] http://geourl.com/

That lands me on a domain squatter. It's a cool idea, but I'm a little
apprehensive about being targeted by ICBMs...

S.

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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread Ben Hyde
Steven Noels wrote:
That's about as low on the food chain as we can go 'knowledge 
representation' wise.  Should we climb higher, and if so ... why?
nope, KISS
Lies!
Ok so the file is in /etc/passwd style with three columns separated by 
colons.  The first field is your cvs.apache.org login id, the second 
and third combine to make a URL.  The first column is the key and 
should be unique over the file.


Anybody know how to make a map?
not yet - but it is fun thing to ponder with :)
Humm: http://p2pmap.org/tarballs/gserver/exe/gserver.html
 ...: http://p2pmap.org/blog.html see the Jan. 15. 03 entry.
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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread David N. Welton
Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 What do URLs have to do with Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles?
 Does not compute.

Really... who wants to parse up some file, and have a spider visit a
bunch of sites just to get the same information that could have been
put in a file on cvs.apache.org or directly in the committers
repository.

As far as the mapping software, the Debian guys have done something
like this in the past...  I'll see if I can get some information.

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Re: Where are we?

2003-01-29 Thread David Crossley
David N. Welton wrote:
 Ceki Gülcü writes:
 
  What do URLs have to do with Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles?
  Does not compute.
 
 Really... who wants to parse up some file, and have a spider visit a
 bunch of sites just to get the same information that could have been
 put in a file on cvs.apache.org or directly in the committers
 repository.

That is right. There is some discussion on another Apache
mailing list (which one?) about adding additional bio
information for each committer to each project's who.xml
Another element could be
 locationx149.73/xy-34.73/y/location

Actually i would rather that this bio info was stored in the
committers CVS instead of scattered through each project.

--David



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