Re: Light sensor
On Friday 01 December 2006 02:03, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: What do you mean doesn't come for free? I for one would expect it to need more power than just sit there in idle mode? pgpaDV9SWeyFG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Text entry
Dnia piątek, 1 grudnia 2006 02:20, David Ormsbee napisał: So when I first heard about this phone, I mocked up this idea: http://dave.hereticmonkey.com/musings/phone_keyboard.html Just my two cent idea. Criticisms/improvements are certainly welcome. Did you thought about languages other then English? What about national chars? Switching languages during write? My native language is Polish, I write notes, contacts, events, todos on my current phone (SE k750i) and it handle national chars without problems. When I want to enter English words I can switch to it so T9 dictionary will get English instead of Polish etc.. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too. -- Voltaire ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fm/lw/mw radio receiver but also fm radio transmitter and PRM/LPD/CB transeiver - and PacketRadio.... ; )
Salve! Make things dual or multiuse: And on of the two buttons of the Neo1973 could be build good enough to be used for fast/good morsing switch-key. *g* FM antennae - without earphones maybe the cord around the neck could have cupper inside and the whole of the Neo1973 for this cord has an electricaly connector to get the signals form the cord with copper? rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
DECT Re: fm/lw/mw radio receiver but also fm radio transmitter and PRM/LPD/CB transeiver - and PacketRadio.... ; )
Salve! To phone via a dect module would costs less power then WLAN - so such an option would be nice, too. rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DECT Re: fm/lw/mw radio receiver but also fm radio transmitter and PRM/LPD/CB transeiver - and PacketRadio.... ; )
Salve! Robert Michel schrieb am Freitag, den 01. Dezember 2006 um 12:39h: Salve! To phone via a dect module would costs less power then WLAN - so such an option would be nice, too. It would be fun to use DECT on the road - when a Neo would have the power for two DECT connections, go to an conference with a team - like the 23C3 - and the Neo1973 will be a PBX for them - all that the others need will be cheap (used or borrowed) DECT phones. Being Outdoor - DECT could be used there as well and the funny thing: You could allow others to call out via your Neo1973 - maybe two calls at the same time... Think about travelling with more than one Car have the possibility to do communication without cost, just P2P, will make travelling with a group much more fun - because costs will you put back to communicate with the others as often, as when the communication would be free. Because DECT or PRM devices are populare, this connection would be more handy than a Neo1973 only communication via Bluetooth or WiFI. For some Euro could buy them used and offer them to your friend... Audio Navigation informations - next right could be transmitted to your friend - driving behind you - that you don't need to lead the convoy - you can encrease the warning distance for new directions of your navigation system and next right could be used from your friends driving in front of you. So to do not transmitt your music via DECT or PRM, the audio channels should be able to split - R music (mono) via FM for your car, L audio for communicate with your friend. And hey - no second soundcard is needed - without communication to your friends, the FM micro transmitter could get R+L BTW AFAIK encrytped communication via PRM is not allowed -right? So DECT does have another advantage that it is already encrypted and it could be maybed got an improved encryption for Neo2Neo communications Sean, do you like this ideas? What do you think will be possible in near future/from the beginning? By having one SPI, one audio in (simultanius to the mic - switched the mic to right and external to the left channel) one audio out (stereo) and the freedom to programm the Neo1973 as we like it, all this ideas could be hackable with external ciruits *g* putting them into nice cases they can become handy. rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST? Re: Using UART/SPI... for swithing 2-8 SIM-cards Re: [Neo1973] Hardware access: additional solder points ; )
Why not just copy the sim card into the phone? We use Linux, so we can do whatever we like ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
idea: security badge consolidation?
i work with multiple clients and vendors, and have amassed a good number of security badges. i was curious about the feasibility of being able to program the transmitter to send out the appropriate badge id based on location? even if it's not possible, i want to congratulate the openmoko team on bringing back the excitement that i had when i first began working with computers. i'm definitely going to purchase the first generation phone, and more, and i'm looking forward to the ensuing innovation... thanks! justin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST?
On 12/1/06 11:28 PM, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just copy the sim card into the phone? We use Linux, so we can do whatever we like I'm not sure, but doesn't the GSM module want to talk to the SIM card directly? The SIM card initialization details are handled by the closed system. The open processor (2410) can only talk over AT commands. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST?
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 7:59, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 12/1/06 11:28 PM, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just copy the sim card into the phone? We use Linux, so we can do whatever we like I'm not sure, but doesn't the GSM module want to talk to the SIM card directly? The SIM card initialization details are handled by the closed system. The open processor (2410) can only talk over AT commands. -Sean That only means you can't do it without some modification of the motherboard and module. I was planning on building my own linux based phone from components before I found this project. Assembled from modules, it would not be hard, just the sofware side would take time... Right..? So I also thought about this multi-sim thing and I concluded that the protocal for talking to a sim is available.. Indeed, you can build something to copy the sim to your laptop if you wanted... So I thought of making a virtual sim software which would store and allow switching between multiple copies of sims... Then you wire the sim interface from the gsm module to gpio on the processor and write the necessary driver to make it look like a sim. The technical aspect isn't really that hard. Just time consuming. --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST? Re: Using UART/SPI... for swithing 2-8 SIM-cards Re: [Neo1973] Hardware access: additional solder points ; )
On 12/1/06, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just copy the sim card into the phone? We use Linux, so we can do whatever we like ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community as I understand it, the GSM module is a closed-box... we just send commands to it and let it handle the work -- --Jeff What DO you call whitewater when you live in the desert? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Article on mobile ui design at the manufacturer level
http://www.uigarden.net/english/Co_Design as the software of mobile devices becomes increasingly detached from proprietary hardware platforms, design control will shift further into application, operator, content, and brand domains-it may well be here that mobile user-interface designers will find their future. -- David Williams Hear, hear. Sam Kome http://www.motricity.com/ UX Team Member http://www.motricity.com/ www.motricity.com http://www.motricity.com view corporate video http://corp.motricity.com/press/video.php NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. image001.gif Description: image001.gif ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can The Proprietary GPS Daemon Be Removed?
On 30/11/06, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/30/06 1:17 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm essentially asking if its theoretically possible that this phone might be FSF endorsed - non-free firmware is fine by the FSF as long as it is burned onto a ROM and can never present an ethical problem. I really don't know. But I sure hope so. That would be incredibly cool. :-) Is there any documentation somebody can point me to that would tell me about how to get their endorsement? No, excuse me while I write something similar :-) Firstly, I hope you're familiar with the actual FSF philosophy, and have read at least the first few essays on gnu.org/philosophy like say http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html - because I find a lot of people think they know what the FSF is about, without having read their essays first hand. Supposing this... :-) ...I'd say the best thing to do is to contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] directly. I bet they haven't heard what FIC is up to here, and, depending on if you see OpenMoko as a platform for 'mixed source innovation' or something, or as a 100% Free Software embedded device, I bet they could be very interested. However, straight up, while the proprietary GPS daemon is included by default, or in fact recommended/mentioned by OpenMoko, its not going to be endorsed by the FSF: We would especially like to know of other GNU/Linux distributions that have a policy not to include, or recommend, non-free software. Developers of such distros that wish us to be aware of their distributions should contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html And a bit more of the reasoning behind this: When major institutions in our community develop non-free software, they tell the public that non-free software is ok. This weakens our community's resolve to maintain our freedom, and that weakness hurts our chances of surmounting each of the various obstacles that we face: hardware with secret specs, non-free tools and libraries such as Sun's Java platform, software patents, the DMCA, and the proposed SSSCA. When they make it tough to obtain free software for a certain job, will we persevere, or will we give in? Those who are willing to take the easy way out and use non-free software will not help us prevail. - http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/interviews.shtml However, for me, if the proprietary components are non-essential and easily and cleanly removable, I'll accept and wildly advocate OpenMoko because there simply isn't any alternative, other than not having a mobile phone. And I hope that as Moko starts delivering the industry-change it smells of, and starts to become a Free Software Movement success story like Wikipedia, the proprietary components can be replaced with Free ones in the next version, and then this won't be a problem for the FSF. Generally, I think the trend is that all proprietary components of all GNU/Linux systems are being replaced with free ones. When I started using GNU+Linux in 1999-2003, I used many proprietary components, and didn't appreciate what software freedom was or why it was important. I used an Apple powerbook 2003-2006 and For a while, the FSF couldn't recommend a GNU+Linux distribution because there wasn't one that didn't include or recommend non-free software. Debian is often thought of as the 'most free' mainstream distribution, but this isn't actually true, because it does both, and isn't going to stop doing either any time soon. Instead, Fedora has been on a mission to be 100% Open Source - so unlike Debian it doesn't have any non-free package repositories or refer to 3rd party ones in any way. But its policy is to accept OSI approved licenses which are not FSF approved, so it lacks FSF endorsement for the moment. This is turning towards Free Software though, with a recent Free Software Analysis - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeSoftwareAnalysis Compare this to say, Ubuntu, which tells a lot of noisy lies about how it is 100% Free, but is actually increasing the amount of proprietary software it includes year on year: No part of it will ever be proprietary, and we encourage people to use it, improve it and pass it on. - http://www.canonical.com/projects A large proportion of people using Ubuntu -- including 70%-80% of people with new computers -- need a non-Free driver for reasonable performance from their graphics card, wireless card, or modem, because there is no Free driver available, they had little choice in the matter. - http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7895189911.html Ubuntu's contrary nature resulted in gNewSense 1.0, released last month and announced by the FSF, which is a Ubuntu derivitive that is a 100% Free Software operating system - and its important to know and remember that this is the *whole point* of Free Software :-) gNewSense firstly mirrors the 'free' sections of the Ubuntu repositories, and secondly, packages a custom Linux kernel with all the non-free
