Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 08:32:38 Rod Whitby wrote: With consumer electronics, you either buy now with the feature set you know at the price you know (and not complain when a better feature set is announced at a lower price the next day), or you wait forever as announcement after announcement of new features keeps you waiting ... There's a big difference between a major feature I really want and some incremental upgrade that while nice is not that important to myself. the other thing everybody wants (if I'm right in thinking what it is and since most seem to share my view of what it is ...) is of the first category to myself. OTOH, I would not care that much for an upgrade of RAM just now... pgpXY4OW1ZlxC.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Rod Whitby schrieb: denis wrote: Paul Bonser schrieb: Sean already said that they will be giving some sort of discount on the v2 phone for those who buy the v1 phone... I know that. But what is the discount? Is it 20% or 50%? I won't buy a phone from which I know there will be a better version available 6 months later. There will *always* be a better phone available 6 months later. With consumer electronics, you either buy now with the feature set you know at the price you know (and not complain when a better feature set is announced at a lower price the next day), or you wait forever as announcement after announcement of new features keeps you waiting ... -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Subject: Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com Date: Tue 27 Feb 07 09:07:37AM +0100 Quoting denis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. I think this pretty sums up the reason why we are more interested in Sean's effort than in Nokia's next release. Carlo -- * Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da parte, * K * Carlo E. Prelz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] che bisogno ci sarebbe * di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine? (Chuang-Tzu) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 09:07, denis wrote: Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. Yeah. I think it is really great that they are so open about these things. At least this way everybody has a choice - either use the simulator to develop your apps, and buy the phone after the hardware upgrade (yes, after they add WIFI, motion detectors, stereo mics, multi-point touch screen and a heart-rate monitor), or if you can afford it, buy one early and upgrade later-on at a reduced price. Any other company would just release the updated phone 2 weeks after you bought yours, and wouldn't offer a trade-in deal... Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back from FOSDEM
Dnia poniedziałek, 26 lutego 2007, Robert Michel napisał: Here is a polnish forum about the allegro offeres: http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic656979.html (I can't understand it but Li-Pol 1600mAh = 9,2mm?) *Polish* not 'polnish' ;) Summary from that forum thread on elektroda.pl: No one (normal) sells batteries larger then 2000mAh because it is impossible to fit such capacity into small size. That 1600mAh battery was 2.2mm thicker so user had to modify phone case to get it fit. Batteries which have those '3400mAh' etc texts on them have just text... inside there is smaller capacity one made by unknown vendor. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant Real programmers don't document. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back from FOSDEM
2007/2/26, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here is a polnish forum about the allegro offeres: http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic656979.html (I can't understand it but Li-Pol 1600mAh = 9,2mm?) Actuali is it 'polish' forum ;) They write there that such 3600mAh batterries are unrealistic - those sellers make that stickers themselves so that batteries look as 3600mAh. About that Li-Pol battery, someone writes that it is some bigger that original from Nokia. It does not fit very well in Nokia but in Neo should be OK ;) cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.)
when we are at it, limiting calls to only certain numbers is a standard GSM feature, it's just seldom used, as most people just forget their PIN2 ;) Andreas * Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070227 10:41]: Took 4 minutes of googling to find both Cingular and Verizon have kids phones and restricted access plans. Stop your bitching and go save the world. Cingular's FireFly phone has buttons for preprogrammed phone numbers for Mom and Dad, along with a button for 911 emergencies. Up to 20 additional numbers can also be programmed into the phone. Verizon's Migo phone from LG also offers a dedicated emergency button, along with four buttons that parents can program. Even though the big carriers' services and phones don't match the functionality of newcomer Disney Mobile, they still may have an edge over Disney. For one, most parents who'd even consider buying a cell phone for their kids are already customers of one of the big cell phone companies. It might be easier and more cost-effective for them to wait for new features to be added to their current provider's packages. Limits on kids Parents can designate the times when a kid can call particular numbers or play games. With TicTalk, Mom and Dad can also limit the number of minutes for calls to certain numbers - say to a best friend. As with Firefly, the phone operates on the GSM cellular network. For some reason, the unit I had never properly updated the time. TicTalk costs $99, plus a $10 activation fee. An hour of prepaid talk is $15. The phone is available online now and in stores by year's end. Regards, Dean Collins -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 6:27 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.) Dean... Its been a while since I looked, but I do stand corrected. The Disney plan indeed launched last June. The Disney plan is not, however prepaid, and worse, it is Disney, the folks who bought and paid for our Sonny Bono Copyright Tem Extension Act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copyright_Term_Extension_Act Which, of course, puts them on my List. Thanks again. Alan Original Message: - From: Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:35:21 -0500 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.) As a parent, one of my great angers with the cellular industry is that NO-ONE has offered a pre-paid plan that limits the child's monthly use of the air-time resource by cutting it off once the minute limit is exceeded for the month. Calls FROM and TO the parent account would still go through and be billed to the parent account. Alan, Totally incorrect, this was one of the main themes behind the Disney MVNO and I also think Verizon or cingular have this option as well (I know I saw a tv ad for one of them a few months ago but cant remember which one) Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 2:27 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.) Sam... Thanks for posting that link. A great write up on the Fundamentally Immoral business practices in the cellullar communications industry today. What I expect from the Operators or Carriers (depending on which oceans are nearby) is that they cease and desist using obfuscation and bundling to hide the true cost of their services. Ala-carte pricing that can be compared business to business. Another Mini-Rant of my own: Cell Plans That Help Parents Teach Responsibility As a parent, one of my great angers with the cellular industry is that NO-ONE has offered a pre-paid plan that limits the child's monthly use of the air-time resource by cutting it off once the minute limit is exceeded for the month. Calls FROM and TO the parent account would still go through and be billed to the parent account. But the cell industry in not interested in what is best for Society as a whole, namely young people who can demonstrate the ability to conserve and manage resources. Thanks for being such good citizens, guys. ( Sarcasm) Alan McSwain Original Message: - From: Sam Kome [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:18:59 -0500 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: Locked phones
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Richard Bennett schrieb: On Tuesday 27 February 2007 09:07, denis wrote: Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. Yeah. I think it is really great that they are so open about these things. At least this way everybody has a choice - either use the simulator to develop your apps, and buy the phone after the hardware upgrade (yes, after they add WIFI, motion detectors, stereo mics, multi-point touch screen and a heart-rate monitor), or if you can afford it, buy one early and upgrade later-on at a reduced price. Any other company would just release the updated phone 2 weeks after you bought yours, and wouldn't offer a trade-in deal... Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility for FIC. I don't understand why it is so important to keep the things secret. At the moment I don't see much difference to a normal hardware producer. But let us wait and see if there will be some more details about v2 in the next time. I've decided to wait untill the 4-5 devices are announced and I get to know the specs. Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Features and promises
On ti, 2007-02-27 at 10:52 +0100, denis wrote:
Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so
difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility
for FIC.
Allow me to hazard a guess:
Most of this stuff is preliminary plans, and the guys don't like to make
promises they know they might now be able to keep. That's also why I
think Sean was being evasive about that other thing that everyone asks
about. If something goes wrong with the plans, as things go sometimes
and have gone in parts of this project already, and they can't deliver,
what would that do to their credibility? ('course, everyone is already
jumping at that other thing regardless, but apparently that's how it
goes...)
To repeat, this is all just guesswork; I don't have any inside
information. And I for one will be getting one of them p1 devices; get
in on the ground floor, people. If you feel you need to upgrade right
away, arrange a new home for the older one; I suspect you'll be able to
get a reasonable resale price for the old model as well (my p1 Neo will
go to my SO though when I upgrade ;). Spread the Moko, you know you want
to, since the more there are of these in _your_ social circles, the more
useful they will be to you, too :)
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Re: Features and promises
Mikko J Rauhala schrieb:
On ti, 2007-02-27 at 10:52 +0100, denis wrote:
Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so
difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility
for FIC.
Allow me to hazard a guess:
Most of this stuff is preliminary plans, and the guys don't like to make
promises they know they might now be able to keep. That's also why I
think Sean was being evasive about that other thing that everyone asks
about. If something goes wrong with the plans, as things go sometimes
and have gone in parts of this project already, and they can't deliver,
what would that do to their credibility? ('course, everyone is already
jumping at that other thing regardless, but apparently that's how it
goes...)
To repeat, this is all just guesswork; I don't have any inside
information. And I for one will be getting one of them p1 devices; get
in on the ground floor, people. If you feel you need to upgrade right
away, arrange a new home for the older one; I suspect you'll be able to
get a reasonable resale price for the old model as well (my p1 Neo will
go to my SO though when I upgrade ;). Spread the Moko, you know you want
to, since the more there are of these in _your_ social circles, the more
useful they will be to you, too :)
I will and am spreading the informations on OpenMoko. ;)
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Re: Google custom search engine
2007/2/26, Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello everybody. I have created a google custom search engine with all the openmoko websites and the technical documents mentioned in the wiki. Hi! It very useful, thank you! But I think something like that should be placed at openmoko.org website. What do you think? cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Thunderbird - Reply to Mail List
I feel really stupid asking this, but I am having troubles using Thunderbird. I receive the list in digest mode. For each digest, it will show up as a single messages in my inbox. Also for each digest it will have each individual message as an attachment. But I cannot find a way to respond to an individual message. If I open one of the attachments (ie individual message), it will not let me reply (can click the reply button, but nothing happens). I was thinking this should be a very easy thing to do (and other mail clients make this easy), but I am pretty much stumped. Any thoughts? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
denis wrote: Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. I haven't seen Nokia do it. But Handspring / Palm / PalmOne / Access (whatever their Name de Jour is) has been doing this for sometime with the current round of Treos. Very frustrating indeed. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Fwd: Re: GSoC 2007 is ON!!]
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Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection
When phone is lost and somebody picks it up, it would first ask PIN and have message in screen that says something like If you don't know PIN, give 1234. If user types 1234 then it presents 2 buttons: Contact owner of phone and Use phone (==I'm stealing this). If user selects Use phone, then it would present factory looking interface with empty address book, etc.. and quietly contact owner anyway and tell current coordinates ;-) Idea is keep thief using phone until police arrives and recovers it. If phone notices new SIM, it would go directly to I'm stolen mode. Maybe run under Linux-VServer http://www.linux-vserver.org/ in stolen mode. With suitable arrangement remote ssh connection to phone should be possible which would give nice control over stolen phone. There could also be a bluetooth headset and/or bluetooth watch. If it loses contact to phone, phone would complain loudly and if bluetooth gadget is enough smart it could complain too. This gadget could warn about low battery too. -- Aloril [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection
2007/2/27, Aloril [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Idea is keep thief using phone until police arrives and recovers it. Yeah, and maybe call nearest SWAT team to clear the area :-P I doubt if police would bother in chasing thief for one phone (at least where I live). They should at least have some warrant ;-) To be serious I would rather do not want that thief could tallk on my bill. Better solution would be to pretend that phone is turned off and silently sent GPS coords. cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
6.5K color Display?
Hi, all From list http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001353.html it says the default visual is 16-bit depth. Does it indicate a 6.5k color display? But from the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware it seems the LCD is capable to display 26.2k color. That makes me a little confused. Cheers, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 6.5K color Display?
ti, 2007-02-27 kello 23:47 +0800, Rockmen Jack kirjoitti: it says the default visual is 16-bit depth. Does it indicate a 6.5k color display? 65k, rather. But from the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware it seems the LCD is capable to display 26.2k color. 262k, but the LCD and the display controller are different animals; also, even if the adapter supported 18-bit color, it is rather an exotic depth for X; might be some trouble in making everything work on it... -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
On 2/26/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ole Tange wrote:
I had hoped there was video coverage of the event. When I found out
there was not I asked one of the better seated persons to record the
event using my pocket camera. I have yet to see if the recording is
acceptable.
What is the easiest way to distribute the video?
Thanks to Ole and SpeedEvil (on IRC), the FOSDEM talk is now on
video.google.com - search for openmoko and you'll find it.
Can anyone who was present at FOSDEM tell the rest of us what the
pricing options for the Neo are? There is a slide in the video where
Sean talks about the pricing for the {Regular,Car Kit, Hacker's
Lunchbox} and the included accessories, but he never says the price
outloud, and alas the slides are incomprehensible. :P
Thanks,
Igor
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Re: 6.5K color Display?
On 2/27/07, Rockmen Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From list http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001353.html it says the default visual is 16-bit depth. Does it indicate a 6.5k color display? I would say it would indicate an X server running at 16 bit, but saying nothing about what the display is capable of. But from the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware it seems the LCD is capable to display 26.2k color. The wiki links to: http://www.tpo.biz/ENG/business-eng/Activer-Matrix-VGA.htm Here it says 262k. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
If I remember well, the price for the regular device was US$350 and for
the hacker's lunchbox $US200. I don't remember exactly the price of the
car kit, I think it was around US$50
In the Open Embedded booth they had a Neo1973 that I could play with
for around 5 mins!!! Here's my first experience/feedback:
Hardware:
The design is similar to the images we have seen in the web. This one
was white with the orange edge. The only difference was that it said
Nomad instead of Neo1973 below de screen... I couldn't see the
internal board. The mini USB was connected to a laptop, they told me not
to unplug-it otherwise bad things could happen so I stayed close to the
laptop.
Software:
Although the device was not completely functional, I was able to use the
Contacts app and a shell. The UI is beautiful, quite clean and simple,
with the 3 areas well identified: top panel, bottom panel and the
central fullscreen app. The look feel was not yet as the imgs we
have seen in the web, if you have used Matchbox before, you could
realize that it was running there. The performance while navigating
through the folders was really good, the touchscreen was very
responsive!
The contacts software, similar to evolution (not sure if it was
evolution) worked quite well, I was able to add a test user without
any problem (of course, with the help of a stylus that the guy next to
me gave me, thanks!) Only the app start-up was not very fast.
Then, I opened a shell and could entered some commands, this was not
that easy because the virtual keyboard is very very small. I could type
top, uname, had a look at /proc... Of course, X was the must
resource-hungry process (DirectFB came to my mind ;). The kernel running
there was a 2.6.17.
The overall experience was quite good, the device is great!!! Since I
was just able to use a couple of apps, I got worried about the
availability of the others, so I asked Sean if they were on-time for the
March launch and he said that he was confident with the dates!
Regarding the presentation, you can view it at google video and make
your own idea about it, although the slides are not clear. Sean is very
enthusiast and convinced about his ideas and you can perceive it easily,
the whole presentation was very charged with this! Mickey was very clear
and precise too! From the technical point of view, the most important
thing was that OpenMoko provides the _building blocks_ and a _set of
rules_ for creating a new paradigm. Of course, these two things are open
source, so you can create/modified your own blocks/rules and potentially
creating new apps and devices. However, the most important thing, as
Sean said, was the slide regarding their business model, this answered a
lot of questions.
--
Pedro Aguilar
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 11:26 -0500, Igor Foox wrote:
On 2/26/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ole Tange wrote:
I had hoped there was video coverage of the event. When I found out
there was not I asked one of the better seated persons to record the
event using my pocket camera. I have yet to see if the recording is
acceptable.
What is the easiest way to distribute the video?
Thanks to Ole and SpeedEvil (on IRC), the FOSDEM talk is now on
video.google.com - search for openmoko and you'll find it.
Can anyone who was present at FOSDEM tell the rest of us what the
pricing options for the Neo are? There is a slide in the video where
Sean talks about the pricing for the {Regular,Car Kit, Hacker's
Lunchbox} and the included accessories, but he never says the price
outloud, and alas the slides are incomprehensible. :P
Thanks,
Igor
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Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Am Dienstag, 27. Februar 2007 17:43 schrieb Pedro Aguilar: I don't remember exactly the price of the car kit, I think it was around US$50 I think it was US$70, and includes the GSM antenna. Oleg. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 6.5K color Display?
On 2/27/07, Rockmen Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all From list http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001353.html it says the default visual is 16-bit depth. Does it indicate a 6.5k color display? 65k. But from the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware it seems the LCD is capable to display 26.2k color. 262k. That makes me a little confused. The display supports 18bit per pixel precision, but according to http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/doc/hardware/GTA01Bv3/gpio.txt only VD pins for 16bit are connected. regards Philipp ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko workshop at ETel
Rough notes, taken as Sean talked. 8:30am, about 30 people in the audience, in a large room, plenty of space. Same basic presentation as FOSDEM, as far as I can tell, now I can actually read the slides... Showing actual screenshots of apps for the first time.. pim application UI shows translucent menu Full GTK widget set PIM uses evolution data server lite - EDS lite - outlook sync etc. header panel, matchbox-panel-2 shared libraries footer panel, task mgr, status stack, app toggle Finger apps Phase1 - Dialer, Main Menu, Music Player, History Phase2 - Clocks screen saver, calc, unit conv, game, guitar tuning, code memo Stylus apps Phase1 - contcacts, dates, apps manager, today Phase2 - feed eader, messages, prefs Standard kit includes 512MB SD card. 120x60mm Developer sales - Late March, maybe 1st week of April Phase 1+ June - Hardware Refresh - faster CPU to allow alpha blend UI etc. The #1 request i.e. WiFi - will be in the refresh hardware. QA They are working on phones that will have cameras. VOIP needs WiFi, open source framework once they have WiFi Graphics acceleration - you bet... OpenGL and hardware acceleration Prototype in his pocket boots and runs X. Multitouch - capacitive allows multi-touch, resistive doesn't. Lots of prior art, so this isn't going to be a patentable thing Unit volumes - can't say, but longest component lead time is 6 weeks Widgets - GTK contains lots of legacy code, some ugliness needed, trying to make it better, future UI work based on OpenGL for Linux is promising. Multimedia libraries - currently Mplayer, future may be Gstreamer needs faster CPU Application management needs a lot of work, based on openembedded Languages, mainly C with projects to add Java, Python etc. Questions about the proprietary GSM modules and variations. Next get CPU will be a faster Samsung, which needs external graphics chip. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Playing the good cop--article quoting etiquette
Just a reminder to limit the length of the quoted material when replying, and to keep it focused. It's often best to keep your thread quoting short and to-the-point, rather than blindly including *everything* and quoting the entire previous thread. Who, me? ...not me? ...well, maybe it is. ;-) (/|\) Peace, Doug Parker ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel
adrian cockcroft wrote: Rough notes, taken as Sean talked. snip Multitouch - capacitive allows multi-touch, resistive doesn't. Lots of prior art, so this isn't going to be a patentable thing This isn't completely accurate. Resistive touchscreens have two resistive components. One is a film over the glass part of the touchscreen (in some cases also the top layer of the LCD. The other part is a coated plastic layer that is pressed onto the glass part. The simple resistive touchscreen has two connections per layer, along each side (across on one layer, up and down on the other). These are generally driven by first connecting one axis wires to a voltage, and ground, causing a voltage gradient linearly across or down the screen, and then measuring the point at which the touch is on the axes by measuring this voltage using the other axis. Then repeating on the other axis. This gives you per axis - the 'average' (a non-simple average function) position of the whole touch area. If however, in addition to, or instead of doing this, you measure the absolute resistance between X1, X2, Y1, Y2, you can get a 'bounding box' of the touch area. (again, it's not quite the bounding box, as it also depends on touch pressure). Now, there are more complex things that can be done. If you split the X and Y axes electrically into several X and Y strips, then you essentially have (for up to two touches) lots of little independant touchscreens. For three or more touches, it depends on if they are on the same column/row, to see if you can disambiguate them. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Little bit OT but very interesting news about Icahn Motricity just off the wire
Billionaire Icahn Invests $50 Million in Motricity By Eric M. Zeman February 27, 2007 Carl Icahn, a mobile industry investor with 33.5 million shares of Motorola, has added mobile content services and software supplier Motricity to his portfolio of companies. The funding buys him an undisclosed percentage in the company and a seat on the board for his son, Brett. Motricity has experienced good growth in the last year, quadrupling its customer base to include wireless operators and media and entertainment companies, such as Alltel, Cingular, MTV, NBC, Sprint, and Universal Music Group. http://www.wirelessweek.com/toc-newsat2direct/02/27/07?starting=4 Any comments Sam? Regards, Dean Collins ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google custom search engine
On 2/27/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/2/26, Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello everybody. I have created a google custom search engine with all the openmoko websites and the technical documents mentioned in the wiki. Hi! It very useful, thank you! Great! :) But I think something like that should be placed at openmoko.org website. What do you think? Actually I don't know. I think it is up to OpenMoko team to decide what goes on www.openmoko.org Any constructive comment? What should I add or remove? I forgot to mention that the search engine can also be used to scan the mailing list messages. Thanks for your feedback Alessandro ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
t-mobile bans user's own apps
It appears that T-Mobile has just started banning third-party applications from running on phones they provide cellular service to. Grumble. Before this they seemed to have the best GSM deal in this part of the world (San Francisco Bay Area, USA). http://www.gearlog.com/2007/01/tmobile_disses_opera_says_get.php This means T-Mobile feature phone users are prohibited from surfing the Web with Opera Mini, checking maps on Google Local for Mobile, listening to podcasts with Mobilcast, and using any other form of software not pre-approved by T-Mobile. I wonder how they'll react to an open phone where code like this comes as a factory option. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprechthttp://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps
fta: but their hypocrisy is painfully clear when you remember that these apps work fine on T-Mobile's network, using T-Mobile SIM cards, if you buy your phone directly from a manufacturer like NokiaUSA.com [or fic ;)]. caveat emptor -- don't buy your phone from t-mobile hurray for openmoko! cheers daly On 2/27/07, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that T-Mobile has just started banning third-party applications from running on phones they provide cellular service to. Grumble. Before this they seemed to have the best GSM deal in this part of the world (San Francisco Bay Area, USA). http://www.gearlog.com/2007/01/tmobile_disses_opera_says_get.php This means T-Mobile feature phone users are prohibited from surfing the Web with Opera Mini, checking maps on Google Local for Mobile, listening to podcasts with Mobilcast, and using any other form of software not pre-approved by T-Mobile. I wonder how they'll react to an open phone where code like this comes as a factory option. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprechthttp://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
If you didn't catch this on /. (More on T-Mobile (USA) hobbling)
The discussion at the bottom sounds awful familiar. http://www.gearlog.com/2007/01/tmobile_disses_opera_says_get.php myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: t-mobile bans user's own apps
Yep saw that in Slashdot, bit of confusion are they cracking down on existing data levels for cheaper data offerings (something called TZones or similar) or if totally banning. Point is, vote with your feet and go to cingular or someone else. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolfgang S. Rupprecht Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2007 2:26 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: t-mobile bans user's own apps It appears that T-Mobile has just started banning third-party applications from running on phones they provide cellular service to. Grumble. Before this they seemed to have the best GSM deal in this part of the world (San Francisco Bay Area, USA). http://www.gearlog.com/2007/01/tmobile_disses_opera_says_get.php This means T-Mobile feature phone users are prohibited from surfing the Web with Opera Mini, checking maps on Google Local for Mobile, listening to podcasts with Mobilcast, and using any other form of software not pre-approved by T-Mobile. I wonder how they'll react to an open phone where code like this comes as a factory option. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprechthttp://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel
Thnks for the info it answered a lot of questions I had. I get more and more excited about this project as it goes on. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel
-- Forwarded message -- From: Alan Ide [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Feb 27, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel To: mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the Refreshed version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an upgrade after 3 months. On 2/27/07, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thnks for the info it answered a lot of questions I had. I get more and more excited about this project as it goes on. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps
I have T-mobile and an SDA. They are not banning applications from their network, they just aren't letting the cheapest account use them. I pay for the 29/month data plan and my 3rd party apps work just fine. (Google maps and my funambol mail sync application) This is over hyped sensationalzed crap. If you want data service you have to pay for it. -Aaron On Feb 27, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Dean Collins wrote: Yep saw that in Slashdot, bit of confusion are they cracking down on existing data levels for cheaper data offerings (something called TZones or similar) or if totally banning. Point is, vote with your feet and go to cingular or someone else. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolfgang S. Rupprecht Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2007 2:26 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: t-mobile bans user's own apps It appears that T-Mobile has just started banning third-party applications from running on phones they provide cellular service to. Grumble. Before this they seemed to have the best GSM deal in this part of the world (San Francisco Bay Area, USA). http://www.gearlog.com/2007/01/tmobile_disses_opera_says_get.php This means T-Mobile feature phone users are prohibited from surfing the Web with Opera Mini, checking maps on Google Local for Mobile, listening to podcasts with Mobilcast, and using any other form of software not pre-approved by T-Mobile. I wonder how they'll react to an open phone where code like this comes as a factory option. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprechthttp://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel
So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the Refreshed version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an upgrade after 3 months. -- Forwarded message -- From: Alan Ide [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Feb 27, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel To: mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the Refreshed version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an upgrade after 3 months. On 2/27/07, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thnks for the info it answered a lot of questions I had. I get more and more excited about this project as it goes on. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps
Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yep saw that in Slashdot, bit of confusion are they cracking down on existing data levels for cheaper data offerings (something called TZones or similar) or if totally banning. Point is, vote with your feet and go to cingular or someone else. I tried my best to understand the 8+ different Cingular data offerings and it seems at first glance that each of them either requires using a device bought from Cingular or approved by name (eg. the various Blackberry planes) http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/data-cell-phone-plans.jsp?_requestid=82997 -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprechthttp://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel
Sean said it will have a faster CPU in June, he implied that WiFi is planned and graphics acceleration is on the roadmap somewhere, but not June. Adrian On 2/27/07, Alan Ide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the Refreshed version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an upgrade after 3 months. -- Forwarded message -- From: Alan Ide [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Feb 27, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel To: mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the Refreshed version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an upgrade after 3 months. On 2/27/07, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thnks for the info it answered a lot of questions I had. I get more and more excited about this project as it goes on. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 14:14 +0530, Aanjhan R wrote: On 2/25/07, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do we get to the pictures to see them? Are they posted anywhere? Is it possible to get the presentation as well. Is it posted in the FOSDEM site? I tried hard finding them. I could nt except for a pic of Sean and a brief abstract of the talk :-) I'll post this within 48 hours. Sorry for the delays! -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipment of phones
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 08:23 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote: I understood that the european distrubution was from phase 2 onwards (I.E. september 2007). If I want to buy the neo1973 as a developer in phase1, then I have to order it in Taiwan and pay the customs duties etc. In order not to be surprised, I just wanted to know ... European distribution will start in phase 1. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 10:24 +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote: I totally agree with you . FIC is also an operator in Taiwan . I certainlyunderstand the thinking / restriction of Telecom operators. Regards Ming J. Chien / FIC Wow; I didn't know FIC was also an operator. This makes the OpenMoko initiative even more laudable and bold. It's also great to see the chairman on FIC on this list - it documents the importance of the Neo1973 inside FIC. I'm quite (pleasantly) surprised he's posting on this list. This is very unusual for Taiwanese companies ;-) -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki Editing Guidelines
On 2/21/07, Lars Hallberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harald Welte skrev: This is really important not to confuse users. Imagine somebody googling for GSM Phone and Wifi and he ends up in our wiki on a page that describes what wonderful things you can do with wifi on an [not explicitly marked as imaginary] OpenEZX phone. Now that person buys a device, to only then find out that this is some wishlist/dream of somebody. It's even more complicated... OpenMoko being a distribution. An idea may or may not be implemented in the distribution. May demand some hardware features of the device. Finally, different devices that physically have those features may or may not have these feature supported in the distribution. Marking things wishlist is a start, but listing needed hardware features is nest step, and when it matures and start being implemented, listing supported devices may be a good idea. I still do not like the wishlist concept for reasons I described earlier. I have given it some thought and I have implemented it on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distance_Measuring Does this address Lars' and Harald's concerns well enough? /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 10:52 +0100, denis wrote: Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility for FIC. But if we can't deliver for some reason it would have the inverse effect. Please understand I'm not doing this to irritate you guys, we just don't want to commit on something that we cannot deliver. I don't understand why it is so important to keep the things secret. At the moment I don't see much difference to a normal hardware producer. Thanks for letting us know your opinion. Sorry you feel this way, but there's nothing we can do. But let us wait and see if there will be some more details about v2 in the next time. I've decided to wait untill the 4-5 devices are announced and I get to know the specs. Most of these devices are _not_ phones. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps
Why would you sign a contract? My understanding was that the only benefit to a contract was a subsidized phone. If you're using the Neo1973, you're not going to need that crippled, subsidized phone. Then, since you're not bound by a ridiculous contract, you could switch to another provider if they tried to restrict your data usage. -Steven On 2/27/07, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The part that scares me about the Data Connect is the wording at the top-level data page that includes the phrase Requires usage with a Cingular Wireless PDA. http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/data-cell-phone-plans.jsp?_requestid=82997_requestid=104169 Data Connect Access your e-mail, corporate intranet, and the Internet while on the go by wirelessly connecting your PDA to the Internet. Requires usage with a Cingular Wireless PDA. Service is not available at all times in all places. View Map and Coverage Limitations. View all 4 Data Connect Cingular Plans I'm a bit worried that they will accept the 2-contract only to turn around after a few weeks and point out that this plan only allows me to use a Cingular PDA. The Smartphone Connect only talks about browsing the internet. That has the potential liability that they only allow a proxied port-80/tcp connection and nothing else. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but I recall the same thing happened with cable internet service. Running a server initially just meant running a server that was serving lots of people. Before the year was over it came to mean running your own sendmail which only accepted mail for yourself. -wolfgang Steven ** writes: Seems like you'd want either the Data Connect plan (http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service//cell-phone-plans/data-connect-plans.jsp) or the Smartphone Connect plan (http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service//cell-phone-plans/smartphone-connect-plans.jsp). I'd go with the Smartphone Connect unlimited for $20. -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ISN: 6001*308 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 17:02 -0500, Alan Ide wrote: So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the Refreshed version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an upgrade after 3 months. The thing we can promise at this point is a faster CPU. We're still working on the WiFi stuff. Graphics acceleration is much later. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
cingular data
Data Connect Access your e-mail, corporate intranet, and the Internet while on the go by wirelessly connecting your PDA to the Internet. Requires usage with a Cingular Wireless PDA. Service is not available at all times in all places. View Map and Coverage Limitations. View all 4 Data Connect Cingular Plans You have to remember they're writing these for the general masses. More than likely they're trying to people from thinking it will work with to $19.99 throw away phone. And of course, they want to sell you their phone. I have the $20 a month plan, and use my Treo for dial up networking regularly. Not had a problem yet. Matthew Naftzger 413 329 1252 www.worksofman.com A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth-Albert Einstein ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipment of phones
Great !!! When you have more info about where and how we can order, please let us know. The Neo is the first item on my wishlist ( and I think I'm not the only one ;-) ) Jan On 2/28/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 08:23 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote: I understood that the european distrubution was from phase 2 onwards (I.E. september 2007). If I want to buy the neo1973 as a developer in phase1, then I have to order it in Taiwan and pay the customs duties etc. In order not to be surprised, I just wanted to know ... European distribution will start in phase 1. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New site about open mobiles: ideas and suggestions
Greetings everyone A few weeks ago I have announced an idea about a web site that would focus on open mobile communications and related devices, like OpenMoko's Neo1973, offering a friendly entrance point for the general population and curious geeks which are not developers in this area to the world of open Free Software and Free Standards powered mobiles. The site is being built at http://www.MobiLiberty.com and at this point we you are offered a chance to make your suggestions and ideas and hence possibly influence what the final site will look like. All Libervis Network sites have been developed with welcome community input from the very start, without development happening behind the closed doors and then being opened up at the launch date. You can participate in shaping this one up too. Feel free to visit http://www.mobiliberty.com/shaping_concept to see where we are currently standing with ideas and concepts and make your own suggestions, ideas, questions, anything. :) On a sidenote, we are here and there are some hosting resources to be spared, so if you believe that it would be a good idea to host something related to OpenMoko (and further) on a third party site, you can make your suggestions known here about that as well. I really wish for this site to be a valuable addition to the community and maybe even a movemen that is forming behind the concept of Free Software/Free Standards powered mobile devices. Best regards Danijel Orsolic http://www.libervis.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection
Euhhh, I do not want the thief to make international calls on my bill May be the phone should simulate that it's switched off ( to save power ) and send from time to time the coordinates. Jan. On 2/27/07, Aloril [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When phone is lost and somebody picks it up, it would first ask PIN and have message in screen that says something like If you don't know PIN, give 1234. If user types 1234 then it presents 2 buttons: Contact owner of phone and Use phone (==I'm stealing this). If user selects Use phone, then it would present factory looking interface with empty address book, etc.. and quietly contact owner anyway and tell current coordinates ;-) Idea is keep thief using phone until police arrives and recovers it. If phone notices new SIM, it would go directly to I'm stolen mode. Maybe run under Linux-VServer http://www.linux-vserver.org/ in stolen mode. With suitable arrangement remote ssh connection to phone should be possible which would give nice control over stolen phone. There could also be a bluetooth headset and/or bluetooth watch. If it loses contact to phone, phone would complain loudly and if bluetooth gadget is enough smart it could complain too. This gadget could warn about low battery too. -- Aloril [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko on Linux Forum Copenhagen
Hi everybody First let me introduce myself since this is my first post. I've been following OpenMoko and the mailing list for the last month or so. Then I started to wonder why nobody in Denmark new anything about this revolution which is starting to evolve. I felt that this we have to do something about. After 3 intense days I am happy to announce that OpenMoko will be on Linux Forum in Copenhagen even though the program was officially closed. Linux Forum is the largest annual Linux Event in Copenhagen with 2700 visitors and every single one of them will get a taste of OpenMoko :-) The speech will be on Saturday from 18-19 and will be held by Ole Tange and myself. I was lucky to find and get in touch with Ole this morning at 1:30 PM and he will be flying in from Ireland Saturday afternoon just in time to get on the stage. Since I am not hardware and compiler guy I am extremely happy that Ole will be there to satisfy all the nerds attending (probably 98%). Thanks, Ole. Stay tuned for more news from Copenhagen and keep Moko'ing. Martin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ETel update: video and social gathering
1. Sean suggested we meet for dinner on Thursday, then carry on to the bar later. You are welcome whenever, but please let us know on the wiki so we can reserve the appropriate size table http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ETel#Social_Gathering 2. I took a video of Sean's presentation this morning. Sean has the tapes and will upload as soon as he can. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
