Re: Chinese input for OpenMoko
Hi Shu Hung, Shu Hung (Koala) schrieb: Hello, OpenMoko is developed and produced in Taiwan. And I live in HK. Both places uses Chinese as the common language. I would say if this would be a standard commercial product, you are out of luck. I don't need to tell you how many products are produced in China which never ever target the Chinese market at all. I'm just curious if there is any plan for Neo1973 to support Chinese input? If so, in what way? Hand-writing input? Or keyboard input method? That's where OpenSource comes into the game. Even if there would be no initial support, I bet that for within this little group of just 1.3 billion Chinese speakers ;) there would be at least one (maybe you) who is able to port one of the already existing input method editors to the Neo. Greetings Torsten ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chinese input for OpenMoko
On 08/14/2007 Torsten Wagner wrote: Hi Shu Hung, Shu Hung (Koala) schrieb: Hello, OpenMoko is developed and produced in Taiwan. And I live in HK. Both places uses Chinese as the common language. I would say if this would be a standard commercial product, you are out of luck. I don't need to tell you how many products are produced in China which never ever target the Chinese market at all. I'm just curious if there is any plan for Neo1973 to support Chinese input? If so, in what way? Hand-writing input? Or keyboard input method? That's where OpenSource comes into the game. Even if there would be no initial support, I bet that for within this little group of just 1.3 billion Chinese speakers ;) there would be at least one (maybe you) who is able to port one of the already existing input method editors to the Neo. This is on our roadmap but I'm not sure exactly when. We actually have a few members of the team (recently hired) who are experts in Chinese IME. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception
On 8/7/07, Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because such a website, especially if it is to fulfill our security and privacy concerns, needs quite a bit of development time. There are several developers on the list with experience in ecommerce + supply cahin management. We are willing to help in building the wesite which will ease the delivery process (automate as many tasks as possible) and provide updated information to every user. All you need to do is ask for help. Regards VK ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fingerscroll, foofone and more from people.openmoko.org!
There are some nice media from people.openmoko.org: Fingerscroll foofone: http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/video/ AGPS video: http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/AGPS_Neo1973.mp4 Inside this, there is a song from Openmoko Ringtones album: http://people.openmoko.org/sean_chiang/rfi.tar.bz2 thereisnophone.mp3 Title: There Is No Phone Artist: Wansti Album: OpenMoko Ringtones Year: 2007 Comment: License: CC-by-sa And there are more interesting stuff, just find it: http://people.openmoko.org -- Santiago Crespo signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fingerscroll, foofone and more from people.openmoko.org!
Fingerscroll foofone: http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/video/ Wow. This is clutter running inside qemu... Anybody tried running it in software rendering on a real device? Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception
On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 07:20:47PM +0530, vivek khurana wrote: On 8/7/07, Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because such a website, especially if it is to fulfill our security and privacy concerns, needs quite a bit of development time. There are several developers on the list with experience in ecommerce + supply cahin management. We are willing to help in building the wesite which will ease the delivery process (automate as many tasks as possible) and provide updated information to every user. All you need to do is ask for help. It is always a great deal more complicated than just asking for help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
mailing list management
Now that the product is launched and you have (or maybe not) some breathing space can we finally get this mailing list configured properly. At the front of each mailing should be a subject pre-fix that says the title of the mailing list e.g. [OpenMoko-Community]: mailing list management Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception
On 8/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is always a great deal more complicated than just asking for help. Well dear most of are working/have worked in projects which drain even last bit out. But we still manage deliveries and reduce the delays. I am not saying that openmoko team is not doing a good job but the delay in receiivng phones could reduced a bit. What i said in my mail is community could have helped in managing this As it has been pointed out problem is not delayed deliveries but lack of cimmunications. If core team cant find out time to develop such a system/website community membes wil be more tahn wiling to help them. Though they need to spel out there security concerns, so that a solution can be developed accordingly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month I think you are over enthusiastic. regards VK ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Qemu
Mathew Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I am at the point where it is asking me to calibrate the screen by clicking the crosshair, but I can#39;t click it.nbsp; I think someone has made changes, I had a heck of a time clicking it last night. You have to just stick at it, click it about 5 or 6 times until it registers. Saying that, I changed my xorg settings last night and it might be something to do with that. --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mailing list management
El mar, 14-08-2007 a las 11:46 -0400, Dean Collins escribió: Now that the product is launched and you have (or maybe not) some breathing space can we finally get this mailing list configured properly. At the front of each mailing should be a subject pre-fix that says the title of the mailing list e.g.“ [OpenMoko-Community]: “mailing list management”” I think that this is not useful at all. If you want to do some filtering in your mail client, there are some headers in every mail from maillist that would be useful: Precedence: list List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion community.lists.openmoko.org -- Santiago Crespo signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Qemu
Mathew Davis wrote: I don't know if this is the right place to ask this or not, I didn't think it was a development question more of a general use question. I got the Openmoko_Dev VM and I ran through the makefile setup and got qemu up and running by typing make run-qemu, it took forever but it finally booted up into the gui. I am at the point where it is asking me to calibrate the screen by clicking the crosshair, but I can't click it. Is there something I missed. I am completly new to Qemu and fairly new to linux although I have some experiance with it. So is the a conf file I need to edit to get the mouse calibrated I have the mouse inside the emulated window but it just won't let me click. Any help here would be great. If it's on the wiki I must have missed it so you can send me the link if you like. Thanks, Matt ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Matthew. I was having the same problems for a while, but I found that after I restarted the ubuntu VM, and started the qemu string (after it was build) it worked fine for me. You make also wanna do another svn fetch and start from scratch. *Have you tried turning it off and on* Jimmy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fingerscroll, foofone and more from people.openmoko.org!
2007/8/14, Florent THIERY [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Fingerscroll foofone: http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/video/ Wow. This is clutter running inside qemu... Anybody tried running it in software rendering on a real device? I run 2007.2 and 'kinetic' scrolling works very wel. cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Qemu
Dang reply button well I accidentally sent this just to Jmmy I was trying to avoid re-flashing and re-building because it takes so long to re-start. So I tried the clicking about a million times, but no luck so I am trying make download-images and am currently waiting for the qemu environment to startup again. If that doesn't work I will try restarting the ubuntu environment. Thanks for the help guys. UpDate: I have rebooted the VM still no luck, So I thought maybe it was the VM on linux so I moved it over to an XP box still no go. I tried the make download-images and got this [ -e images/openmoko ] || mkdir -p images/openmoko ln -sf `pwd`/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env images/openmoko/env ( cd images ; ../openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/download.sh ) Retrieving available builds list... Kernel is... uImage-2.6-moko10-r2_0_2134_0-fic-gta01.bin Root filesystem is... openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 U-boot is... u-boot-gta01bv4-r12_0_2632_0.bin Now use openmoko/flash.sh to install OpenMoko to NAND Flash. rm -f images/openmoko/env [ -d stamps ] || mkdir stamps touch stamps/images Now I don't know how to use openmoko/flash.sh so i just ran Make setup then when that was finished I ran Make run-qemu still no good what can I do. On 8/14/07, Mathew Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trying to avoid re-flashing and re-building because it takes so long to re-start. So I tried the clicking about a million times, but no luck so I am trying make download-images and am currently waiting for the qemu environment to startup again. If that doesn't work I will try restarting the ubuntu environment. Thanks for the help guys. Matt On 8/14/07, Jimmy McMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mathew Davis wrote: I don't know if this is the right place to ask this or not, I didn't think it was a development question more of a general use question. I got the Openmoko_Dev VM and I ran through the makefile setup and got qemu up and running by typing make run-qemu, it took forever but it finally booted up into the gui. I am at the point where it is asking me to calibrate the screen by clicking the crosshair, but I can't click it. Is there something I missed. I am completly new to Qemu and fairly new to linux although I have some experiance with it. So is the a conf file I need to edit to get the mouse calibrated I have the mouse inside the emulated window but it just won't let me click. Any help here would be great. If it's on the wiki I must have missed it so you can send me the link if you like. Thanks, Matt ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Matthew. I was having the same problems for a while, but I found that after I restarted the ubuntu VM, and started the qemu string (after it was build) it worked fine for me. You make also wanna do another svn fetch and start from scratch. *Have you tried turning it off and on* Jimmy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Using Qemu
Jimmy McMillan wrote: Matthew. I was having the same problems for a while, but I found that after I restarted the ubuntu VM, and started the qemu string (after it was build) it worked fine for me. You make also wanna do another svn fetch and start from scratch. Another thing I've found with QEMU in general is: take your time. Click and hold it for a second or two. If you do quick clicks that you're used to doing on the desktop, it will often not register at all in the emulator. - John ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mailing list management
hank williams wrote: I think that this is not useful at all. Actually it would be quite useful. Without such a header I am unable to *visually* distinguish between this and other mailing lists or mail. Filters are useful for organizing, but I personally prefer to see my whole inbox and to view and scan all inbound content. Not having such a header is the equivalent of not having a from column in my mailing lists. Most mailing lists do this properly. Munging the subject line is a bad idea. http://www.l33tskillz.org/writing/tagging-harmful/ Of course the other thing I always complain about is that this is the only mailing list I am on (out of 10) for which (at least in gmail) replies to a thread go to the individual and not the list unless I say reply to all - which I often forget because this list is the oddball. There have been discussions about this before where others have said it shouldnt work the way I suggest or that gmail is broken, but the bottom line is that of all the mailing lists I am on, gmail (for me) gets it right on everything but this one. Munging the reply-to is a bad idea. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -casey ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: mailing list management
I do run filtering in Outlook - but I run it on subject - less processor intensive. And thanks Casey - I also subscribe to about 5 or 6 other lists and they all have subject prefixes as well (and much larger more frequent lists than openmoko) It's a little thing but it's silly not to get this fixed sooner rather than later - especially as in the very near time frame I imagine that FIC will need to have a number of different lists (newbies, experts, apps, developers, commercial) etc Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Santiago Crespo Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 12:10 PM To: OpenMoko Subject: Re: mailing list management El mar, 14-08-2007 a las 11:46 -0400, Dean Collins escribió: Now that the product is launched and you have (or maybe not) some breathing space can we finally get this mailing list configured properly. At the front of each mailing should be a subject pre-fix that says the title of the mailing list e.g. [OpenMoko-Community]: mailing list management I think that this is not useful at all. If you want to do some filtering in your mail client, there are some headers in every mail from maillist that would be useful: Precedence: list List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion community.lists.openmoko.org -- Santiago Crespo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mailing list management
On 8/14/07, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that this is not useful at all. Actually it would be quite useful. +1 for tagging the subject. -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Qemu
Matthew, Like I said, I had the same problem you are for about a week and finally rebuilt everything as mentioned on the wiki. Here is my screeny as well as my `history`. http://www.freshstation.org/~mintee/openmoko.jpg Hope that helps Mathew Davis wrote: Dang reply button well I accidentally sent this just to Jmmy I was trying to avoid re-flashing and re-building because it takes so long to re-start. So I tried the clicking about a million times, but no luck so I am trying make download-images and am currently waiting for the qemu environment to startup again. If that doesn't work I will try restarting the ubuntu environment. Thanks for the help guys. UpDate: I have rebooted the VM still no luck, So I thought maybe it was the VM on linux so I moved it over to an XP box still no go. I tried the make download-images and got this [ -e images/openmoko ] || mkdir -p images/openmoko ln -sf `pwd`/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env images/openmoko/env ( cd images ; ../openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/download.sh ) Retrieving available builds list... Kernel is... uImage-2.6-moko10-r2_0_2134_0-fic-gta01.bin Root filesystem is... openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 U-boot is... u-boot-gta01bv4-r12_0_2632_0.bin Now use openmoko/flash.sh to install OpenMoko to NAND Flash. rm -f images/openmoko/env [ -d stamps ] || mkdir stamps touch stamps/images Now I don't know how to use openmoko/flash.sh so i just ran Make setup then when that was finished I ran Make run-qemu still no good what can I do. On 8/14/07, *Mathew Davis* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trying to avoid re-flashing and re-building because it takes so long to re-start. So I tried the clicking about a million times, but no luck so I am trying make download-images and am currently waiting for the qemu environment to startup again. If that doesn't work I will try restarting the ubuntu environment. Thanks for the help guys. Matt On 8/14/07, *Jimmy McMillan* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mathew Davis wrote: I don't know if this is the right place to ask this or not, I didn't think it was a development question more of a general use question. I got the Openmoko_Dev VM and I ran through the makefile setup and got qemu up and running by typing make run-qemu, it took forever but it finally booted up into the gui. I am at the point where it is asking me to calibrate the screen by clicking the crosshair, but I can't click it. Is there something I missed. I am completly new to Qemu and fairly new to linux although I have some experiance with it. So is the a conf file I need to edit to get the mouse calibrated I have the mouse inside the emulated window but it just won't let me click. Any help here would be great. If it's on the wiki I must have missed it so you can send me the link if you like. Thanks, Matt ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Matthew. I was having the same problems for a while, but I found that after I restarted the ubuntu VM, and started the qemu string (after it was build) it worked fine for me. You make also wanna do another svn fetch and start from scratch. *Have you tried turning it off and on* Jimmy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/922 - Release Date: 7/27/2007 6:08 AM ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mailing list management
Chris Kuethe wrote: On 8/14/07, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that this is not useful at all. Actually it would be quite useful. +1 for tagging the subject. I second that. How about [om-community]-$subject ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mailing list management
Dean Collins wrote: I do run filtering in Outlook - but I run it on subject - less processor intensive. How is filtering on subject less processor intensive than using mailing list headers? And thanks Casey - I also subscribe to about 5 or 6 other lists and they all have subject prefixes as well (and much larger more frequent lists than openmoko) I also subscribe to a large number of other lists and only 2 of the 20 or so have subject prefixes (one of them is the openmoko announce list). It's a little thing but it's silly not to get this fixed sooner rather than later - especially as in the very near time frame I imagine that FIC will need to have a number of different lists (newbies, experts, apps, developers, commercial) etc I disagree that there is anything to be fixed. Munging the subject line or reply to fields would be breaking things rather than fixing them. There are a number of ways to distinguish mailing list messages from each other without munging the subject line. I don't want to start a holy war on this as I've seen many in the past. However, I've yet to see a convincing argument that justifies the use of subject munging and numerous convincing arguments that it is a bad thing a prone to breaking. If it is the will of the community, I'll deal with it. -casey ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fingerscroll, foofone and more from people.openmoko.org!
On Tuesday 14 August 2007 15:52:04 Santiago Crespo wrote: There are some nice media from people.openmoko.org: Fingerscroll foofone: http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/video/ Foofone is neat. But it doesn't seem very obvious to use the star to have it start calling? pgpv4x7PNlhqm.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: mailing list management
hank williams wrote: Oops. As usual I hit reply to and it went to casey personally Its broken. Just so that the 'silent majority' don't lose out on this one, I would like to point out that there are approximately 1,500 people subscribed to this list. Can we assume that unless we hear from them their vote is 'no change'? There are pros and cons to each system, but anyone who has already set up their own filters will have done so on the existing system so I suggest we leave it as it is. Cheers, Jim. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mailing list management
Well this is probably the wrong place for a whole-community poll about this topic, but let me say that if the majority here really wants subject tagging, than please put the tag at the end of the subject! I use pager notification for my e-mails and text paging in Germany has a very limited message length. Filling half of it with some non informative tag would make the whole thing impractical. Also putting a tag on the beginning of the subject makes reading through a list (like in my mail client) of a high number of messages very very inefficient, since the important information isn't where my brain expects it to be (at the beginning!). I personally cannot see any benefit from tagging the subject, but that's probably up to everyone's own preferences in their way of mail handling. -- Daniel Mewes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Phone: 0800 DAMEWES (3263937; from inside Germany, I call back) Mobile: +49 (0) 160 8577603 Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Fwd: mailing list management
Lol - yep shortly followed by the human race all moving back to wearing skins and living in rock caves. Doing nothing as a 'reason' is about as dumb as you can get. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McDonald Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 4:26 PM To: OpenMoko Subject: Re: Fwd: mailing list management so I suggest we leave it as it is. Cheers, Jim. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
mailing list management
Oops again. That reply to thing is a bitch. -- Forwarded message -- From: hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Aug 14, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: mailing list management To: Daniel Mewes [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use pager notification for my e-mails and text paging in Germany has a very limited message length. Wow. now thats a great target design platform for a mailing list. lol. Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mailing list management
On 14 Aug 2007, at 21:35, Dean Collins wrote: Lol - yep shortly followed by the human race all moving back to wearing skins and living in rock caves. Doing nothing as a 'reason' is about as dumb as you can get. They have the discussions all the time on the Linux Kernel list, people asking why don't we use C++, why don't we tag emails etc.. Are you saying that list is stone age? it's not, it's just people liking how things are and seeing it work without some trendy new idea. I filter this list perfectly fine without tags. Tags just let you give your email the one over and see if you have any personal mail. See the Linux kernel mail list faq for the subject line mod :) http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s3-19 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Fwd: mailing list management
No vote != no change. No vote = don't care. Personally I don't care, but I don't feel my apathy should lend strength to one side of the argument or another. Incidentally, my lack of caring is only relevant to the subject line. I do feel the reply-to should be changed to reply to the list instead. I read the page that was linked, suggesting that's a bad idea, and I disagree. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim McDonald Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:26 PM To: OpenMoko Subject: Re: Fwd: mailing list management hank williams wrote: Oops. As usual I hit reply to and it went to casey personally Its broken. Just so that the 'silent majority' don't lose out on this one, I would like to point out that there are approximately 1,500 people subscribed to this list. Can we assume that unless we hear from them their vote is 'no change'? There are pros and cons to each system, but anyone who has already set up their own filters will have done so on the existing system so I suggest we leave it as it is. Cheers, Jim. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community NOTE: The information in this message is intended for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. To the extent the recipient(s) is/are bound by a non-disclosure agreement, or other agreement that contains an obligation of confidentiality, with AuthenTec, then this message and/or any attachments shall be considered confidential information and subject to the confidentiality terms of that agreement. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient named above, you are notified that you have received this document in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please delete the original message and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. AuthenTec, Inc. http://www.authentec.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Qemu
Ok I am obviously doing something wrong. I tried re-building the environment already. Here are the steps I took so let me know if I missed something. First I ran make download-images, I then ran make flash-qemu-official then I ran make setup and then ran make run-qemu. It boots up and get's to the calibration screen. My black pointer cursor is bounded by the qemu screen and I click and click and nothing. I have restarted qemu and the vm multiple times. Am I missing a step some where? On 8/14/07, Jimmy McMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew, Like I said, I had the same problem you are for about a week and finally rebuilt everything as mentioned on the wiki. Here is my screeny as well as my `history`. http://www.freshstation.org/~mintee/openmoko.jpg Hope that helps Mathew Davis wrote: Dang reply button well I accidentally sent this just to Jmmy I was trying to avoid re-flashing and re-building because it takes so long to re-start. So I tried the clicking about a million times, but no luck so I am trying make download-images and am currently waiting for the qemu environment to startup again. If that doesn't work I will try restarting the ubuntu environment. Thanks for the help guys. UpDate: I have rebooted the VM still no luck, So I thought maybe it was the VM on linux so I moved it over to an XP box still no go. I tried the make download-images and got this [ -e images/openmoko ] || mkdir -p images/openmoko ln -sf `pwd`/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env images/openmoko/env ( cd images ; ../openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/download.sh ) Retrieving available builds list... Kernel is... uImage-2.6-moko10-r2_0_2134_0-fic-gta01.bin Root filesystem is... openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 U-boot is... u-boot-gta01bv4-r12_0_2632_0.bin Now use openmoko/flash.sh to install OpenMoko to NAND Flash. rm -f images/openmoko/env [ -d stamps ] || mkdir stamps touch stamps/images Now I don't know how to use openmoko/flash.sh so i just ran Make setup then when that was finished I ran Make run-qemu still no good what can I do. On 8/14/07, *Mathew Davis* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trying to avoid re-flashing and re-building because it takes so long to re-start. So I tried the clicking about a million times, but no luck so I am trying make download-images and am currently waiting for the qemu environment to startup again. If that doesn't work I will try restarting the ubuntu environment. Thanks for the help guys. Matt On 8/14/07, *Jimmy McMillan* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mathew Davis wrote: I don't know if this is the right place to ask this or not, I didn't think it was a development question more of a general use question. I got the Openmoko_Dev VM and I ran through the makefile setup and got qemu up and running by typing make run-qemu, it took forever but it finally booted up into the gui. I am at the point where it is asking me to calibrate the screen by clicking the crosshair, but I can't click it. Is there something I missed. I am completly new to Qemu and fairly new to linux although I have some experiance with it. So is the a conf file I need to edit to get the mouse calibrated I have the mouse inside the emulated window but it just won't let me click. Any help here would be great. If it's on the wiki I must have missed it so you can send me the link if you like. Thanks, Matt ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Matthew. I was having the same problems for a while, but I found that after I restarted the ubuntu VM, and started the qemu string (after it was build) it worked fine for me. You make also wanna do another svn fetch and start from scratch. *Have you tried turning it off and on* Jimmy
Re: mailing list management
Learn to use Gmail. Also it's relevant for everything where you can only see the first X letters of a topic in your list of emails. Like pretty much every mail client and webmail interface out there. So adding the tags to the end of the subject line is a pretty good idea which I could live with while adding them to the front would really annoy me. On 8/14/07, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops again. That reply to thing is a bitch. -- Forwarded message -- From: hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Aug 14, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: mailing list management To: Daniel Mewes [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use pager notification for my e-mails and text paging in Germany has a very limited message length. Wow. now thats a great target design platform for a mailing list. lol. Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Qemu
Ok running through the process again I noticed something I was missing before. I am getting the following error svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/patcher' svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/patches': Not Implemented ( http://svn.nslu2-linux.org) could that be the problem? On 8/14/07, John Seghers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are you launching QEMU? I always use the MokoMakefile's make run-qemu (actually slightly modified to enable USB Networking.) The actual command line is: /home/moko/build/qemu $ arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm –M neo –m 130 –usb –usbgadget –show-cursor –mtdblock openmoko/openmoko-flash.image –kernel openmoko/openmoko-kernel.bin (note that all of those dashes are single dashes, even though mail formatted them as longer than the hyphens….) When you move the mouse over the emulator, does the emulator draw a cursor? - John PS: if this solves your issue, do post it to the list. -- *From:* Mathew Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:12 AM *To:* John Seghers *Subject:* Re: Using Qemu I have tried every imaginable rate of click sloth-slow mamoth-slow slow semi-slow medium medium-fast fast super-fast faster than superman can click still not registering a click. Is there a way I can position the mouse and send a click event to the emulator? like a shift alt or something like that? On 8/14/07, *John Seghers* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jimmy McMillan wrote: Matthew. I was having the same problems for a while, but I found that after I restarted the ubuntu VM, and started the qemu string (after it was build) it worked fine for me. You make also wanna do another svn fetch and start from scratch. Another thing I've found with QEMU in general is: take your time. Click and hold it for a second or two. If you do quick clicks that you're used to doing on the desktop, it will often not register at all in the emulator. - John ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host
** * Moko * ** | - USB Mini Jack | |\ - Splice the Power from the hub to feed Neo | \ | \ | - USB-B Jack \ **| * Hub *| **| | | - USB-A (Power from hub)| | \_/ | | - USB-A Line to standard USB device I would think this would work to charge the Neo while in host mode. If the hub doesn't support a non-powered host, you could always use yet another port on the hub to power that connection (creating another loop). It would eat up 2 ports on your hub to do this, but I would think rigging custom cables is a bit easier than rigging custom hubs. Just my thoughts. ~Bradley Giles Jones wrote: Lars Hallberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I'm still not clear over this... 1) Will it be possible to charge the neo over the usb connection while the neo is in host mode. Will that raise special demand on the hub? It will be if you use a special cable which allows power into the Neo but not out of it. 2) With 4 AAA batteries in the hub You don't want to charge the neo at all. If you have wall power You want to fast charge... Can that be controlled from the neo, raise any extra demand on the hub? You would only connect the data lines from the Phone to the hub. You need a cable which allows power into the phone from a PSU, then supplies a hub with the USB data lines. --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: mailing list management
Dean Collins wrote: Lol - yep shortly followed by the human race all moving back to wearing skins and living in rock caves. Actually, filtering on Subject is the caveman thing to do. :-) The following headers are *specifically* added by the mailing list software to enable you to accurately filter your incoming mail: Thread-Topic: Fwd: mailing list management X-BeenThere: community@lists.openmoko.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion community.lists.openmoko.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community List-Post: mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should use one of those. Why do you think they were added to the mailman software in the first place? Subject line real estate is a precious commodity. It should not be wasted on information that is already available in the mailing list headers. On the other mailing list topic (Reply vs Reply-All): When you receive a mail with one person on the To: line and many people on the Cc: line - if you just hit Reply, you expect it to go to the *one* person on the To: line. If you hit Reply-All, you expect it to go to all the people referenced on the To: and Cc: lines. A mailing list is conceptually just a very big Cc: line. If you were to change the behaviour so that Reply went straight to the mailing list, then there would be no way (other than cutting and pasting addresses around) to reply to *just* the sender. My vote is to leave things exactly as they are. Harald set things up the way they are based on his experience in being an active participant in many technical mailing lists. Do the people suggesting these changes think that they really know better about how this list should be set up? -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mailing list management
Most good mail filters, such as sieve (http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/sieve/index.html) provide a _multitude_ of ways to filter messages. Including by headers or recipients (or a combination, etc). I highly recommend sieve if you have means to run a mail server, or are already are. cheers -scott Ortwin Regel wrote: Learn to use Gmail. Also it's relevant for everything where you can only see the first X letters of a topic in your list of emails. Like pretty much every mail client and webmail interface out there. So adding the tags to the end of the subject line is a pretty good idea which I could live with while adding them to the front would really annoy me. On 8/14/07, *hank williams* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops again. That reply to thing is a bitch. -- Forwarded message -- From: *hank williams* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Aug 14, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: mailing list management To: Daniel Mewes [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I use pager notification for my e-mails and text paging in Germany has a very limited message length. Wow. now thats a great target design platform for a mailing list. lol. Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: mailing list management
Jim McDonald wrote: Just so that the 'silent majority' don't lose out on this one, I would like to point out that there are approximately 1,500 people subscribed to this list. Can we assume that unless we hear from them their vote is 'no change'? There are pros and cons to each system, but anyone who has already set up their own filters will have done so on the existing system so I suggest we leave it as it is. I am a member of the 'silent majority' - this is my first post - and, yes, please leave it as it is. Having [OpenMoko-Community] in front of every subject-line gives me no additional information, since my mail get's sorted into the respective folder automatically, but makes the list less readable. Changing the reply-to is unacceptable. It has always been that simple: if I press Reply I'm writing to the author of the e-mail, if I press Reply All everybody who got the original mail (except BCCs of course) get's my response. Why should that be different just because the e-mail got delivered by a mailing-list? And I don't think that a MTA should be allowed to change any header, if there isn't a technical necessity. But what I'm wondering most about this topic is: it was discussed several times on half of the mailing-lists I'm subscribed to, but the problem was never solved. But I think that should be easy. Just make it user-configurable. Is it so hard to write that piece of code and convince the mailman-developers to include into the distribution? If that would happen, I would never ever see this discussion again. That would be a relief. Christian ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mailing list management
On 15.8.2007, at 0.35, Christian Tschabuschnig wrote: I am a member of the 'silent majority' - this is my first post - and, yes, please leave it as it is. And another 'pls don't change it'. One would think that in this day and age all mail clients are able to filter, tag, color and/or categorize emails so that everybody should be able to view their emails as they please, and if your current email program doesn't support these things, write a feature request to the developers, they will be happy to add new cool features (like show text '[OpenMoko- Community]' in subject lines where any recipient is community@lists.openmoko.org or something like that) to their apps. But what I'm wondering most about this topic is: it was discussed several times on half of the mailing-lists I'm subscribed to, but the problem was never solved. But I think that should be easy. Just make it user-configurable. Is it so hard to write that piece of code and convince the mailman-developers to include into the distribution? If that would happen, I would never ever see this discussion again. That would be a relief. Good idea, just need to make sure that when user X sends email with subject '[OpenMoko-Community] should be [OM-C]' mailman might have trouble delivering the correct subject line to everybody, depending on sender and reciever the subject lines might have [OpenMoko- Community] twice, or not at all. Best feature would be a Eliza bot in mailman that automagically goes through this discussion without bothering the subscribers to the list :) - Allan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mailing list management
Best feature would be a Eliza bot in mailman that automagically goes through this discussion without bothering the subscribers to the list :) Now that's the best contribution to this whole discussion. Since no 12 developers will ever agree on subject line munging, top/bottom posting, or any other bikeshed issue, a bot to redirect such discussions offline and keep the poster(s) amused would be a Good Thing. Extra points +42 if it can fool the participants into thinking that their discussion is being foisted upon the entire list, but not actually do so. Failing that, we'll all have to put mailing list management in our filter lists :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: mailing list management
Do the people suggesting these changes think that they really know better about how this list should be set up? Yup. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: mailing list management
Look I'll vote for not changing the subject line; headers are wonderful for sorting. However, when I wish to reply -to the list-, I get a choice of either -to the sender- or -to the list, sender AND anyone else the bloody sender sent it to- instead of simply replying -to the list-. While the wonderful doc that everyone links to regarding why -not- to munge the reply-to header, they fail to consider the normal way things work: people discuss list stuff on the bloody list, not off the list, not to the author only(reply sender), and not to everyone else the author thought to send a message to (reply-to-all functionality). Based on this, a -list- is different than a normal message; the -list- is a discussion group and responses should be filtered into that group. For the argument that the person replying will lose the proper path back to the sender, or mistake sending a personal message to a list, simply read from and manually type that into the to field. If a person is not using a valid From address, yet IS using a valid Reply-to, then this person is rather strange. Until my mail client gives me a reply to list ONLY command, I vote for changing reply-to to BE THE LIST. To the person who said Learn to use gmail well thats nice, when the only way I can -reply to the list- is to manually delete whatever the hell it decides to shove into the reply headers, and manually type in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why not reply to all? Because im rather sure I don't want to reply to the author twice (as he apparently is on the list) and I don't want to reply to anyone else the author sent the mail to. There appears to be no other way to use this client than simply 1 or all, not simply 'list'. My $0.02 Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: mailing list management
Mike Hodson wrote: Why not reply to all? Because im rather sure I don't want to reply to the author twice (as he apparently is on the list) and I don't want to reply to anyone else the author sent the mail to. There appears to be no other way to use this client than simply 1 or all, not simply 'list'. I personally prefer that people reply to me on and off list - that means that when people have something to say to *me* (which they denote by leaving me in the To: list) as well as the list, as opposed to just talking to the list (which they denote by just having the list as the only recipient), then that is highlighted to me by ending up in my INBOX rather than in the lower priority folder where my mailing list traffic goes. Hence I see it immediately, rather than at the time when I batch read and respond to list traffic. (In this case I have purposefully taken Mike off the To: list from my Reply-All, because this comment is directed to the list only, not to him personally and the list - I have no reason to get into an argument with him about what he wants to do, I'm just giving an alternate viewpoint to the list about what someone else might want to do). -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
