Re: PocketCM Virtual Keyboard - We need it, or something like that... :)
Why should we need a freeware (not open source!) win mobile application if we already have the same as open source? http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/ 2007/8/27, Bernardo Pellegrini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, well, I don't know if someone has already pointed it out, but I found this video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t0Zhys5tWEeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww% 2Epocketcm%2Ecom%2Fkeyboard%2Ephp It's a freeware software for windows mobile (puah!), that emulate the iphone virtual keyboard. I think it can be downloaded from here: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-pocketcm-keyboard-v0-2.html Anyway... It seems a good work, and in the video it works pretty well... I think that an easy-to-use input method for the openmoko platform should work like that... :) There is someone else that share my opinion? Italian Saluti Bernardo Pellegrini ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software
On Monday 27 August 2007 19:23:26 Attila Csipa wrote: On Monday 27 August 2007 15:32, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: No it's more like MS telling Intel to port Windows to the new processor for them. You want to sell something on a platform? Well if nobody wants to port it there, you should do it yourself or don't do it, but then you don't get to bug others how they should use it there. A slight logic error is that, to my knowledge, Trolltech never expressed that me, you, the OpenMoko team or anybody else MUST port Qtopia to the Neo1973 (TT must be chuckling quite a bit by now). No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very least. This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it ;) The difference is, that since there IS a GPL version of Qtopia (as opposed to a GPL version of Windows) anybody, me, you, Joe GNU Coder, anybody interested could potentially do it EVEN if there is no commercial interest for Trolltech to do so (which was the original claim - since TT developed Qtopia 'they' should port it to the Neo, 'we' should stick to GTK and the original framework). That's true. But I actually think it could make sense for TT to do so (it's sort of why Sun always had a X86 port of Solaris laying around, partly so people could try it on hardware they already have and get familiar with it). I don't think the installed base of Greenphones is ever gonna be big, whereas GTA02 might get a few (tens of?) thousands devices shipped... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software
On Tuesday 28 August 2007 16:39:54 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very least. This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it ;) Can you give some references on this (just out of curiosity) ? it). I don't think the installed base of Greenphones is ever gonna be big, whereas GTA02 might get a few (tens of?) thousands devices shipped... The greenphone is never meant to be a mass-market device - it is the counterpart of the GTA01, but AFAIK unlike the FIC-OpenMoko connection, TT never wanted to be a Phone manufacturer so for them the greenphone is simply a tech demonstrator and development platform, not the first stage of an end-user device, for which they apparently hope to get commercial interest from mobile phone vendors (in which they admittedly haven't been all that successful as of yet). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software
Attila Csipa wrote: On Tuesday 28 August 2007 16:39:54 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very least. This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it ;) Can you give some references on this (just out of curiosity) ? it). I don't think the installed base of Greenphones is ever gonna be big, whereas GTA02 might get a few (tens of?) thousands devices shipped... The greenphone is never meant to be a mass-market device - it is the counterpart of the GTA01, but AFAIK unlike the FIC-OpenMoko connection, TT never wanted to be a Phone manufacturer so for them the greenphone is simply a tech demonstrator and development platform, not the first stage of an end-user device, for which they apparently hope to get commercial interest from mobile phone vendors (in which they admittedly haven't been all that successful as of yet). Which raises an interesting opportunity for them: If they want to get out of the hardware business, they could port Qtopia to the Neo (or subsequent OpenMoko-ready hardware) and either resell the Neo pre-programmed on their website, or point people to us. I guess it depends on how much of a hassle it is for them to be making hardware, and how important it is for them to have hardware with their name on it. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software
On Tuesday 28 August 2007 17:51:23 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very least. This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it Can you give some references on this (just out of curiosity) ? Look around, there's TT employees in this very thread (not overly pushing it, but at the very least, TT seems interested in OM)... And occasionally some remark spills onto PlanetKDE. I don't follow PlanetKDE, but here I've seen only Lorn Potter with a @trolltech address who wasn't like agitating something MUST be done (but I do agree with him that writing a phone stack is uncomparably easier than doing the full framework from scratch), and I have not gotten the impression that his message was a sort of an official TT standpoint which you can call upon... though he did say an interesting announcement will be made in the next few feeks, we'll see what that means I guess :) In any case, if there IS a GPL qtopia + GSM stack for the Neo1973 around the corner, things will get really interesting in OpenMoko land. an end-user device, for which they apparently hope to get commercial interest from mobile phone vendors (in which they admittedly haven't been all that successful as of yet). Exactly, but partly because of a chickenegg issue which they could perhaps tackle with an OpenMoko port of Qtopia... You mean Neo1973 port of Qtopia ? That is what I don't get here - in my view OpenMoko as a platform doesn't really have an interest in running qtopia on the Neo1973 which it should have been a vehicle to spread OpenMoko to the masses and instead gets to be a more accessible greenphone replacement with GPS. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
On 8/26/07, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why am I not being given the choice to RIGHT NOW to be placed at the FRONT of the GTA02 sales queue? Why dont I have a billion dollars? I really want it and I could really use it... Why don't I get respect from a company I'm trying to support at my expense? I really want it and I could really use it. You are getting respect but not magic. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
There appear to be some disgruntled developers out there with the Neo1973 GTA01 sitting on the shelf. Please consider selling your development handset on eBay or similar so other, more active developers, without hardware can get one. Just my $0.02, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why am I not being given the choice to RIGHT NOW to be placed at the FRONT of the GTA02 sales queue? Why dont I have a billion dollars? I really want it and I could really use it... Why am I putting up with all this frustration reading about others who -have- their phones and why should I not just cancel my order?? Seriously, with your already pissed off tone, I would never get this phone. I have one, and now wish I didnt get it. I am not looking for my money back or anything like that, I knew I could be buying a brick and was willing to take that risk.. But the fact is I just dont use it. I would think very early on the focus would be to reliably make and receive calls, which this phone cannot do. If I could use this to simply make and receive calls, I would have it with me and thus be more willing to write stuff for it while I have some down time at work. As it stands now it sits at home. I will have no interest in it until I can make and receive calls. Not make a few calls, then reboot, then receive a call, then reboot, etc... Thats just my opinion tho, so all the linux nuts out there please dont jump down my throat. The only reason I am writing this is so the guy asking the questions will get another point of view.. Dont get me wrong, this phone has tons of potential, but I think others may be in the same situation as me.. And after a few months of it sitting on the shelf, I will forget its there and move onto something else... That is of course if we dont get a reliable dialer in the near future.. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Request for Speaker at WPLUG
Hello everyone, Are there any OpenMoko developers in Western PA USA that would be interested in coming to a WPLUG, http://www.wplug.org, meeting to discuss his or her experience with OpenMoko and the Neo1973? Please contact me off list to discuss. Thanks, Dave Kraus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Just a status update here: I emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Jouston was kind enough to respond promptly. (Thank-you!) Basically, I asked to have my GTA01 back-order cancelled if they did not have them stateside by September 10th. Jouston replied that they would not available until the 20th and promptly cancelled my order for me. It simply made NO SENSE to me to keep open an order for the GTA01 if the GTA02 will follow within 60 to 90 days. The Wi-Fi feature is an important enough addition to wait for. Until then, I have ordered an iPhone and will do my best to avoid bricking it while I try my hand at unlocking it to work on T-Mobile's network. Yes, it lacks the AGPS I need for some of the geospace-aware apps that I would like to work on, but it will be interesting to study the interface design up close. Also, while I'm at it (and I have your attention), there are a few horifically basic handset design issues that need to be addressed in future FIC/OpenMoko hardware designs that looking at the iPhone makes painfully obvious: 1) Shape. The hemisphere on the bottom of the GTA01/02 phone will not allow the phone to remain upright in a breast pocket. It will always cant to one side or the other. The bottom needs to be pretty much squared off. 2) Touch-Screen recess. The bezel height around the touch screen needs to be cut down to no more than 1mm so that the maximum touch screen finger use utility is preserved. If these have been mentioned before on the list or the wiki, well, just add my voice to the choir. Doing my best to not sound Pissed off or Disgruntled here... Alan Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:50:45 -0400 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order. There appear to be some disgruntled developers out there with the Neo1973 GTA01 sitting on the shelf. Please consider selling your development handset on eBay or similar so other, more active developers, without hardware can get one. Just my $0.02, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why am I not being given the choice to RIGHT NOW to be placed at the FRONT of the GTA02 sales queue? Why dont I have a billion dollars? I really want it and I could really use it... Why am I putting up with all this frustration reading about others who -have- their phones and why should I not just cancel my order?? Seriously, with your already pissed off tone, I would never get this phone. I have one, and now wish I didnt get it. I am not looking for my money back or anything like that, I knew I could be buying a brick and was willing to take that risk.. But the fact is I just dont use it. I would think very early on the focus would be to reliably make and receive calls, which this phone cannot do. If I could use this to simply make and receive calls, I would have it with me and thus be more willing to write stuff for it while I have some down time at work. As it stands now it sits at home. I will have no interest in it until I can make and receive calls. Not make a few calls, then reboot, then receive a call, then reboot, etc... Thats just my opinion tho, so all the linux nuts out there please dont jump down my throat. The only reason I am writing this is so the guy asking the questions will get another point of view.. Dont get me wrong, this phone has tons of potential, but I think others may be in the same situation as me.. And after a few months of it sitting on the shelf, I will forget its there and move onto something else... That is of course if we dont get a reliable dialer in the near future.. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
On 28 Aug 2007, at 21:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Shape. The hemisphere on the bottom of the GTA01/02 phone will not allow the phone to remain upright in a breast pocket. It will always cant to one side or the other. The bottom needs to be pretty much squared off. Indeed, I had a Mio A701 for 10 months, served me pretty well and the Neo reminds me of it. But as you can see, this is squared off. Would be a good inspiration for a future Neo, but obviously make the Neo better :) Photo of it here: http://www.mio-tech.be/en/gps-navigation-device-Mio-A701-overview.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, while I'm at it (and I have your attention), there are a few horifically basic handset design issues that need to be addressed in future FIC/OpenMoko hardware designs that looking at the iPhone makes painfully obvious: 1) Shape. The hemisphere on the bottom of the GTA01/02 phone will not allow the phone to remain upright in a breast pocket. It will always cant to one side or the other. The bottom needs to be pretty much squared off. Doing my best to not sound Pissed off or Disgruntled here... Alan Unfortunately this is half the story. Whatever I ever kept in my pocket fell out and broke if my pocket was not buttoned at the top. Glasses phones pdas ... you name it. The requirement to have your pocket buttoned up is way more important. So the requirement that it must be flat at the bottom is superficial. I prefer the aesthetic look of the Neo and there is nothing more comfortable to handle than a symmetric design. Point in case, a classical rounded edge shaped bar of soap is the easiest to handleSquare soap never worked for me. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
neo1973 for sale
Heyup folks. I am reluctantly putting my neo 1973 up for sale. My circumstances have changed, some projects from nowhere at work and no time left. Hopefully someone else can put it to better use. I will ship international and accept only paypal. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320152764720 Thanks - pauric ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer the aesthetic look of the Neo and there is nothing more comfortable to handle than a symmetric design. Point in case, a classical rounded edge shaped bar of soap is the easiest to handleSquare soap never worked for me. If I have my definitions right, squares are also symmetrical :-P Joe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: neo1973 for sale
Hello. On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 17:40, pauric wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320152764720 I think it would be a godd idea to indicate on the auction site that this is a _developer device_, not a fully functional mobile phone. regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Open moko round bottom Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Sounds like a great market for a small plastic slip on square bottom piece to solve the problem. On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 2:38 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, while I'm at it (and I have your attention), there are a few horifically basic handset design issues that need to be addressed in future FIC/OpenMoko hardware designs that looking at the iPhone makes painfully obvious: 1) Shape. The hemisphere on the bottom of the GTA01/02 phone will not allow the phone to remain upright in a breast pocket. It will always cant to one side or the other. The bottom needs to be pretty much squared off. Doing my best to not sound Pissed off or Disgruntled here... Alan Unfortunately this is half the story. Whatever I ever kept in my pocket fell out and broke if my pocket was not buttoned at the top. Glasses phones pdas ... you name it. The requirement to have your pocket buttoned up is way more important. So the requirement that it must be flat at the bottom is superficial. I prefer the aesthetic look of the Neo and there is nothing more comfortable to handle than a symmetric design. Point in case, a classical rounded edge shaped bar of soap is the easiest to handleSquare soap never worked for me. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community www.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about hurricanes, globalwarming and the melting poles. www.ElectricQuakes.com daily solar and earthquake images. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open moko round bottom Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
On 28 Aug 2007, at 23:01, GWMobile wrote: Sounds like a great market for a small plastic slip on square bottom piece to solve the problem. Or shirts with a rounded pocket, or a case with clip. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: md5sum for firmware images
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:31:33 -0500 Dmitri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Intro: Recently i bricked my old motorola phone by feeding a broken firmware. The archive was good, unpacking was Ok, and half way through reflashing the phone it's just gave me an error which result in a brick at the end. Question: Would it be appropriate to have md5sum for each firmware image, so end users would have an option to check integrity of the image? As far, as I can see, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_resources#Project_Resources firmware images links are empty for now, but for future it would be nice to be sure that the particular firmware that you going to upload to your lovely phone is authentic. -- Sincerely, Dmitri ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ideally a digest that has SHA256, MD5 and RMD160. As no one is guaranteed secure. -- Ewan Marshall (ewanm89) Geek by nature, Linux by choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Read the post before you jump to conclusions. The suggestion was to make at least the bottom square. Joe Friedrichsen wrote: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer the aesthetic look of the Neo and there is nothing more comfortable to handle than a symmetric design. Point in case, a classical rounded edge shaped bar of soap is the easiest to handleSquare soap never worked for me. If I have my definitions right, squares are also symmetrical :-P Joe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Myth Busting FTW
Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Feature status page
Hello, Is there a page somewhere that gives the status of the different features usually found on a phone for the Openmoko project ? I got very excited when I saw my first article about the phone, and I did join this mailing list to try to stay current about its development, but I now realize that all I want it to know when most of the features I want are functional. I'm sure people could add to this list, but here's what's at the top of my head : - can make a call (cellular) - can receive a call (cellular) - can make a call (wifi) - can receive a call (wifi) - can send an email - can receive an email - can send a text message - can receive a text message - can manage contacts - can browse the web Statuses could be Under development, Testing, and Stable... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ My favorite from the article The iPhone has twice the system RAM, but more importantly has 4 or 8 GB or Flash, compared to the quarter GB of Flash in FIC's phone. Since the Neo1973 uses all its system RAM to run Linux, it has to run additional apps from separate Flash cards. Not sure where he is getting his sources from perhaps http://www.theonion.com or http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page? Cheers, Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
Heh! It's an Apple fan site, so you can't expect any attempt at objectivity - as the forum following up the article shows: http://roughlydrafted.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=290page=1#Item_0 Given that Apple fans already have the phone of their dreams, it is quite the compliment that they should feel the need to devote such time, energy and FUD to attack their perceived 'rival'. As when Microsoft compared Linux with Communism - the more rabid the attack, the more insecurity lies beneath. Oh, and attacking the ideas wiki rather humourously misses the point ;-) Nuthin' to see here iThink... Richard On 8/28/07, Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
Nkoli wrote: Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ my prefered part is : = So much for the glorious freedom of choosing your own provider. Any real choice is prevented by the proprietary differences between GSM mobile providers like ATT and the CDMA2000 providers like Sprint and Verizon Wireless who don't offer GSM service at all. = looks like these people believe that outside the US is here be dragons land... last I checked, the rest of the world only has GSM in one form or another and only the US plays with 5 different cell phone protocols ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
