Re: Myth Busting FTW
/rant start I couldn't complete his article.. he really wants me to make him eat his shorts... :) he states half truths at some points and omits features just to show up the iPhone. /rant end ok. got that out of my system. - Original Message From: Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:12:24 PM Subject: Myth Busting FTW Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Release schedule GTA-2
On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Marco Barreno wrote: Right--the phase is tied to the progress of the software and the readiness of the phone. The same three phases will apply to future devices. GTA01 vs. GTA02 is an issue of hardware platform: GTA01 is a certain set of hardware components, and GTA02 is the next revision of the hardware. So GTA02 phase-1 is the next version of the hardware (with wi-fi, better battery, etc.) but still in the development stage where it is aimed at developers. I think this sums it up pretty well. We`re no where close to a 'mass-market release' at the current stage. I have some pictures of GTA02a1 and GTA02a2 (still in progress) here for anyone interested: http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/ Cheers, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
On 29/08/2007, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh! It's an Apple fan site, so you can't expect any attempt at objectivity - as the forum following up the article shows: http://roughlydrafted.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=290page=1#Item_0 Given that Apple fans already have the phone of their dreams, it is quite the compliment that they should feel the need to devote such time, energy and FUD to attack their perceived 'rival'. As when Microsoft compared Linux with Communism - the more rabid the attack, the more insecurity lies beneath. Well, as KathyLee said: Wow - killer fact-finding! Obviously, his sources are reliable ;-) Oh, and attacking the ideas wiki rather humourously misses the point ;-) Nuthin' to see here iThink... Richard On 8/28/07, Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Release schedule GTA-2
awesome pics! cheers! On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:40:19 +0800, mokoNinja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Marco Barreno wrote: Right--the phase is tied to the progress of the software and the readiness of the phone. The same three phases will apply to future devices. GTA01 vs. GTA02 is an issue of hardware platform: GTA01 is a certain set of hardware components, and GTA02 is the next revision of the hardware. So GTA02 phase-1 is the next version of the hardware (with wi-fi, better battery, etc.) but still in the development stage where it is aimed at developers. I think this sums it up pretty well. We`re no where close to a 'mass-market release' at the current stage. I have some pictures of GTA02a1 and GTA02a2 (still in progress) here for anyone interested: http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/ Cheers, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Kiam Peng OrangeKnob LLP ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the post before you jump to conclusions. The suggestion was to make at least the bottom square. I did: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer the aesthetic look of the Neo and there is nothing more comfortable to handle than a symmetric design. Point in case, a classical rounded edge shaped bar of soap is the easiest to handleSquare soap never worked for me. The structure and order of your statements give the impression that your 'point in case' refers to your preference of symmetric designs. That example compares two symmetric shapes as if one were not. The square-bottomed Neo suggestion is still symmetric about two of the three axes as well :-P Joe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Release schedule GTA-2
So - does anyone know anything about shipping GTA02 phase-1 devices? Will they be marked as developer-equipment and maybe also sold with a special price like the GTA01 devices? - Original Message - From: mokoNinja [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Mittwoch, 29. August 2007 10.40 Uhr (GMT+0100) Europe/Berlin Subject: Re: Release schedule GTA-2 On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Marco Barreno wrote: Right--the phase is tied to the progress of the software and the readiness of the phone. The same three phases will apply to future devices. GTA01 vs. GTA02 is an issue of hardware platform: GTA01 is a certain set of hardware components, and GTA02 is the next revision of the hardware. So GTA02 phase-1 is the next version of the hardware (with wi-fi, better battery, etc.) but still in the development stage where it is aimed at developers. I think this sums it up pretty well. We`re no where close to a 'mass-market release' at the current stage. I have some pictures of GTA02a1 and GTA02a2 (still in progress) here for anyone interested: http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/ Cheers, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feature status page
On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 22:01 -0400, Jacques Poulin wrote: Hello, Is there a page somewhere that gives the status of the different features usually found on a phone for the Openmoko project ? Sounds like an excellent idea! Would you like to volunteer to create the page in the wiki? We can then make sure it's updated on a regular basis (weekly perhaps?). Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
The free and open Anti-iPhone rhetoric surrounding the FIC phone is therefore marketing drivel to sell a Chinese Windows Mobile device as a hobbyist kit for phone hackers. Statements like that really piss me off. For one, AFAIK nobody within FIC is trying to introduce the Neo as an Anti-iPhone. That's just the presses take on things. His article is just too full of inaccuracies. I wasn't able to finish it either. I'm half-tempted to send him an email, but I don't really think he's worth the effort. J. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
On 15:35:39 2007-08-29 Jeremy G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The free and open Anti-iPhone rhetoric surrounding the FIC phone is therefore marketing drivel to sell a Chinese Windows Mobile device as a hobbyist kit for phone hackers. Statements like that really piss me off. For one, AFAIK nobody within FIC is trying to introduce the Neo as an Anti-iPhone. That's just the presses take on things. His article is just too full of inaccuracies. I wasn't able to finish it either. I'm half-tempted to send him an email, but I don't really think he's worth the effort. That article is just to pathetic to take seriously... I was laughing my arse off while reading... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Feature status page
This would serve as a great project map as well, since each feature would point to a feature-dedicated page (where appropriate). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Wood Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:15 AM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: Feature status page On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 22:01 -0400, Jacques Poulin wrote: Hello, Is there a page somewhere that gives the status of the different features usually found on a phone for the Openmoko project ? Sounds like an excellent idea! Would you like to volunteer to create the page in the wiki? We can then make sure it's updated on a regular basis (weekly perhaps?). Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community NOTE: The information in this message is intended for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. To the extent the recipient(s) is/are bound by a non-disclosure agreement, or other agreement that contains an obligation of confidentiality, with AuthenTec, then this message and/or any attachments shall be considered confidential information and subject to the confidentiality terms of that agreement. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient named above, you are notified that you have received this document in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please delete the original message and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. AuthenTec, Inc. http://www.authentec.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hardiness of the Neo1973?
Hi. I've been following this project for a couple years with great interest but I have a few questions (for those with gen1 and just those with some knowledge of the possibilities/limitations of the hardware) How hardy is the unit? I realize it has no moving parts but could it take repeated jarring up and down? Also, is it too heavy or too big for an armband strap? I'm a marathon runner and words cannot describe how astounding it would be for me to be able to find a waterproofed armband case for this unit to take on runs. Not only could it provide cell service in case of emergencies and act as my portable music player but with the gps and accelerometers I could (with a little help) get some useful runners' apps in place to track important numbers on runs -- not just times on terrains but even stride data (assuming the accelerometers are sensitive enough to track arm swing + impact). Assuming the unit is up to these tasks I fully intend (with a gen2 in hand) to try to get an app up and running for logging this type of info ... anyone who thinks this is a good idea or has any additional thoughts, I'd love to hear them! Regards, ~Baxter ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
I am not interested to disect the argument around axis of symmetry to help you prove your childish argument. If you are one of the disgruntled whiners about the Neo, then unsubscribe. Joe Friedrichsen wrote: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the post before you jump to conclusions. The suggestion was to make at least the bottom square. I did: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer the aesthetic look of the Neo and there is nothing more comfortable to handle than a symmetric design. Point in case, a classical rounded edge shaped bar of soap is the easiest to handleSquare soap never worked for me. The structure and order of your statements give the impression that your 'point in case' refers to your preference of symmetric designs. That example compares two symmetric shapes as if one were not. The square-bottomed Neo suggestion is still symmetric about two of the three axes as well :-P Joe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
Nicolas Bougues wrote: On Monday 27 August 2007 15:15:11 Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: I wonder that this could be serioul hickup after going public... I can already see all those frustrated users who left their phones for night and in the morning they cannot make important phone call. And they have to wait for 4 hours just to turn fast charging! That is not very practical. snip However, I never saw that happen when the device is shut off before being totally empty. So there is definetly something wrong with the neo sucking up it's power when it's supposedly off. There is. It's not there yet, it will be fixed in time. It can do 'switch off on low battery', and be 'off' for several weeks-months, while being able to respond rapidly to charger being plugged in, and charge at high rate - but this again is unimplemented. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
On 8/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not interested to disect the argument around axis of symmetry to help you prove your childish argument. If you are one of the disgruntled whiners about the Neo, then unsubscribe. It appear the tongue-in-cheek humour was lost on you. Sorry to upset :-) Joe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On 8/29/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can do 'switch off on low battery', and be 'off' for several weeks-months, while being able to respond rapidly to charger being plugged in, and charge at high rate - but this again is unimplemented. How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm clock feature? Yes, the hardware supports this. And wake on assorted other hardware events. Though not (on GTA01/2) bluetooth. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm clock feature? And how about turning itself off, for example for the night =) =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
Quoting Denis Parchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm clock feature? And how about turning itself off, for example for the night =) Well, (judging by the marketing materials) if we're going to be able to tell the phone to turn off its ringer when we get into a room dedicated for staff meetings, why couldn't we just tell the phone to power down when it detects that it's been left in the bedroom for a period of time? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
I think that this feature must work in close conjunction with 'auto power on' feature mentioned earlier. It will be transparent for user, provide him quiet night and save battery power... Wednesday, August 29, 2007, 8:42:55 PM, you wrote: Quoting Denis Parchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm clock feature? And how about turning itself off, for example for the night =) Well, (judging by the marketing materials) if we're going to be able to tell the phone to turn off its ringer when we get into a room dedicated for staff meetings, why couldn't we just tell the phone to power down when it detects that it's been left in the bedroom for a period of time? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO, Your response here to Joe was uncalled for and frankly, rude. I also resent the implication that I and others are disgruntled whiners. While gentleman may agree or disagree, there is little to no call for this kind response to such a minor observation or suggestion. My point is starting this topic was to bring attention to the fact that probably 500 to 1000 potential developers were likely to get saddled with GTA01 phones right before the GTA02s were released and that FIC staff were not providing sufficient information about likely delivery dates. We are volunteers TRYING to put up our time and money to move this along, but due to understandable circumstances many of us are being left out. FIC should be more open about the schedules if they expect volunteers to contribute time and effort. It would also be quite understandable for a potential developer to be annoyed that he just payed for a GTA01 and the GTA02 come out within days. FIC should proactivly mitigate this possible scenario. More on the future shape of the Neo... Another reason to square off the bottom is to make it stand up on a flat surface or MORE IMPORTANTLY, sit upright in an off-the-shelf bluetooth mini keyboard. You should not be restricted to landscape mode useage when off device keyboarding. Remember, were not just talking about a PHONE here, but portable microcomputing. Alan McSwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:25:08 -0400 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order. If you are one of the disgruntled whiners about the Neo, then unsubscribe. Joe Friedrichsen wrote: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the post before you jump to conclusions. The suggestion was to make at least the bottom square. I did: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer the aesthetic look of the Neo and there is nothing more comfortable to handle than a symmetric design. Point in case, a classical rounded edge shaped bar of soap is the easiest to handleSquare soap never worked for me. The structure and order of your statements give the impression that your 'point in case' refers to your preference of symmetric designs. That example compares two symmetric shapes as if one were not. The square-bottomed Neo suggestion is still symmetric about two of the three axes as well :-P Joe mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO, Your response here to Joe was uncalled for and frankly, rude. I said much the same to this person, off-list, and got an equally churlish response. I see a spam filter coming with his email address on it... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
