Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
What if you could tilt the Neo to switch keyboards instead. Or, perhaps, instead of multi-tap you tilt and press 2 to get B instead of hold horizontal and tap 2 to get A. It seems that the accelerometers could be used to make the keyboard easier to use. Now that I am typing perhaps the coolest, would be to have something like a full qwerty with keys that are too big to fit the whole keyboard on the screen, but you tilt it to access the off-screen ones (you tilt left and the keyboard slides over so that you can get to the L key). Just some thoughts. Joe Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: Wiadomość napisana w dniu Dec 5, 2007, o godz 10:14 AM, przez Thomas Wood: On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 09:20 +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: For me it's also finger-usable keyboard - just like the one in Qtopia. With that you can operate your phone without stylus (in most cases). Chris has worked on a multi-tap input method: http://chrislord.net/blog/Software/multitap-pad.enlighten That's wonderful news! What I also like in Qtopia's keyboard is ability to switch between number, symbol and letters keyboard by moving you finger down or up on keyboard. Obviously T9 will not be implemented due to patent issues. I will ask him if the source is available anywhere. T9 is not necessary important (i.e. I do not use english on my phone so probably I would need to hack it to include polish T9 database). It is useful in SMSes but not on writing URLs or console ;) cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joseph J. McCarthy, Associate Professor and William Kepler Whiteford Faculty Fellow Department of Chemical and Petroleum Engineering University of Pittsburgh 1249 Benedum Hall Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15261 Ph. 412-624-7362; Fax 412-624-9639 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://granular.che.pitt.edu ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Example of accelerometers utility
Not to cross-post in threads, but I was just throwing some ideas on using tilting to make keyboards easier in the snapshot thread. Anyone have any other ideas along this line? I would hate to have to carry a stylus when there is nowhere to put it... Joe Stroller wrote: On 4 Dec 2007, at 09:58, Al Johnson wrote: Monday 03 December 2007, Stroller wrote: On 2 Dec 2007, at 15:42, Steven Le Roux wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w I _love_ the ball-bearing inbox and the way that a message from your g/f might have a different timbre from one from your bank. That feels VERY innovative to me, and more than compensates for the stupid name (Shroogle? WTF?) and the dull video. In a fair chunk of Scotland, including Glasgow where the code was written, shoogle means shake. Giving the phone a shoogle to find out if you had any messages would make perfect sense. I say this as an englishman who occasionally travels north of the border, so the details may be wrong :-) Ah! I'm enlightened! They should've had a sassy Glaswegian explaining this at the beginning of the video: Gie' it a shoogle, ken! Stroller. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joseph J. McCarthy, Associate Professor and William Kepler Whiteford Faculty Fellow Department of Chemical and Petroleum Engineering University of Pittsburgh 1249 Benedum Hall Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15261 Ph. 412-624-7362; Fax 412-624-9639 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://granular.che.pitt.edu ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util help
dfu-util: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, statically linked, not stripped Thanks, I'll try the 32 bit version now! On 05/12/2007, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joseph Reeves a écrit : Thanks! How can I see if it's 64 bit? I'm on a lowly 32 bit machine here... $ file dfu-util dfu-util: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, statically linked, not stripped If you get 64-bit instead of 32-bit then you found the culprit. Here's the link to a 32-bit version, built this morning (CEST time) : http://rincevent.net/~lucas/openmoko/ Note: be sure to check the MD5 ! To the OpenMoko devs: could you provide 32-bit versions of the binaries ? Regards, -- Lucas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Compulab EM-X270 Wireless PDA Module
Am 05.12.2007 um 13:41 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl: On Wednesday 05 December 2007 13:07:11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: handling cost, credit card processing cost, etc. And finally some compensation for the time we spend doing this instead of other things. The largest single cost component is the German VAT of 19%. If you are ordering from outside Germany there are options that we ship with no VAT (i.e. 545,38 EUR). Does this include a case for the phone? Also at what number of units does the Unfortunately no. We still have to find a (communty driven?) approach to get to such a case (ideas are welcome!). Some proposals are at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Compulab_EM-X270#Case or http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases price drop to say 400EUR outside Germany? From the basic calculation, if we shoot for 500 units we could come to approx. 450 EUR (plus tax) and 1k for approx 370 EUR (plus tax). Getting 500 fixed orders appears IMHO quite stretched if we assume (well that is my personal assumption from following the discussions and order numbers) that FIC has sold approx. 1-2k developer units at 350$. The problem is that if we set our target too high we will not reach it and nobody will get anything (just money back). A different issue is that it may become too risky for us (we are quite small company) to hold all these funds. Let's (not really) assume we pay the manufacturer and they don't deliver. Or goods get confiscated by tax authorities. What happens? We must pay back all the pre-orders before we get back any money from the manufacturer (if at all). So, if we shoot for 1k this could be some 400k EUR. Plus cost for lawyers :-) That is the reason why we have targeted 100 units - well, at a higher price. If there is someone who would be willing to share the risk, we can modify our offer... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util help
Joseph Reeves a écrit : Thanks! How can I see if it's 64 bit? I'm on a lowly 32 bit machine here... $ file dfu-util dfu-util: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, statically linked, not stripped If you get 64-bit instead of 32-bit then you found the culprit. Here's the link to a 32-bit version, built this morning (CEST time) : http://rincevent.net/~lucas/openmoko/ Note: be sure to check the MD5 ! To the OpenMoko devs: could you provide 32-bit versions of the binaries ? Regards, -- Lucas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util help
Thanks! How can I see if it's 64 bit? I'm on a lowly 32 bit machine here... Joseph On 05/12/2007, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joseph Reeves a écrit : But the this is as good as I can get out of it: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/DFU$ sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./uImage-2.6.22.5-moko 11+svnr3238-r7-neo1973.bin ./dfu-util: ./dfu-util: cannot execute binary file If chmod +x does not work, check that it's not a 64 bits file on a 32 bits system. If this is the case, I can send you a 32 bits version, or better, put somewhere available for everyone. Regards, -- Lucas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util help
Well that all went great, running the Qtopia snapshot now - already made some calls, and that was after I wondered round the office for a bit trying to avoid working and got my Christmas holiday booked! Thanks all! On 05/12/2007, Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dfu-util: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, statically linked, not stripped Thanks, I'll try the 32 bit version now! On 05/12/2007, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joseph Reeves a écrit : Thanks! How can I see if it's 64 bit? I'm on a lowly 32 bit machine here... $ file dfu-util dfu-util: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, statically linked, not stripped If you get 64-bit instead of 32-bit then you found the culprit. Here's the link to a 32-bit version, built this morning (CEST time) : http://rincevent.net/~lucas/openmoko/ Note: be sure to check the MD5 ! To the OpenMoko devs: could you provide 32-bit versions of the binaries ? Regards, -- Lucas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kernel upgrade by ipkg
Graeme Gregory wrote: There is unfortunately a bug in the kernel, a workaround for this was introduced with the November 2007 snapshot. It's this one: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=567 - Werner ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Kernel upgrade by ipkg
This has been a long requested feature and its finally ready to be unleashed on the world. There is unfortunately a bug in the kernel, a workaround for this was introduced with the November 2007 snapshot. So before I release this capability I need to make sure everyone has the chance to upgrade their kernel. On Friday Dec 14th at approx 12:00 GMT I will push the change to make this happen into OE. Before this date you must make sure you have at least kernel 2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r10 on your device or you will suffer a lockup on boot/kernel-image upgrades. Thanks Graeme ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:A problem with usb networking
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a neo1973 and I wish I could connect it to my Laptop in order to access the internet ( I use Ubuntu 7.10 ). I followed this page on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking but nothing... my neo won't connect to the internet! Everything seems ok but the internet connection... (what follows is for Debian Linux. If you've got another Linux, mapping this to your environment should be straightforward. If you're running Windows... oh, well). There are a bunch of things that could be happening -- in a nutshell, you need to make sure that your laptop will route appropriate packets to your NEO, and that it will forward packets. My first problem when I tried setting up networking was that my home network is 192.168.0.x, and of course the NEO wants 192.168.0.202. So the first thing I did was to edit the NEO's /etc/network/interfaces to use IP 192.168.200.202, with gateway 192.168.200.200. I also set the DNS server to 192.168.200.200. On my laptop, I edited /etc/network/interfaces to include allow-hotplug usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.200.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 So now, when a usb0 net interface is created by plugging in the NEO, the NEO and the laptop can talk to each other. I set the NEO's DNS server to be my laptop because I'm already running dnsmasq on the laptop for other reasons, and this way I don't need to reconfigure the NEO depending on whether I'm at home or at work. Next, I needed to turn on packet forwarding on the laptop. This required editing my /etc/sysctl.conf to uncomment the line net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Finally, turning on NAT in my laptop's firewall finished the job. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
A problem with usb networking
Hi everyone! I have a neo1973 and I wish I could connect it to my Laptop in order to access the internet ( I use Ubuntu 7.10 ). I followed this page on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking but nothing... my neo won't connect to the internet! Everything seems ok but the internet connection... Can someone help me? Thanks in advance! PS Sorry for my poor English! My best regards, Morpheus90 DEXGATEMICRO il centralino VoIP multifunzione per l'azienda. Prova gratuita per 4 utenti! Scopri tutte le funzionalita' sul sito Dexgate.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
My first problem when I tried setting up networking was that my home network is 192.168.0.x, and of course the NEO wants 192.168.0.202. So the first thing I did was to edit the NEO's /etc/network/interfaces to use IP 192.168.200.202, with gateway 192.168.200.200. I also set the DNS server to 192.168.200.200. this to me looks like a settings panel target. thank you for describing it so well. maybe a little python hacking on settingsGUI could pick this up .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 10:14, Thomas Wood wrote: Obviously T9 will not be implemented due to patent issues. I will ask him if the source is available anywhere. Do you (or anyone else) happen to have any background on this T9 patent issue? I seem to find a US Patent and some stories about US lawsuits, but I'm not sure the patent really is a problem outside of the US. It might just be possibly to publish T9 capable software when it is developed and hosted outside the US. I at least like to believe I can still publish any piece of software here, without having to worry about stupid patents, and frankly T9 seems to be pretty trivial to implement. We would have to name it differently tough, T9 is a trademark of Tegic Communications... AVee -- Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OT:administrivia -- a request to reduce duplicate mails
Hi all, I am subscribed to several of the openmoko lists. When someone copies multiple lists on a message, I get all the copies (usually 3 for some reason). Worse, when anyone replies to the initial mail, they reply all and I get another full set of mails. I realize that there are valid reasons for crossposting some of the content (particularly by core devs). Could I request the following? Send one email to each list (instead of copying all lists on a single email) it is more work, but it solves the reply-all issue, which is really what generates the most redundant traffic. I don't mind getting multiple copies of the initial email. flames, comments, etc... welcomed. This is intentionally only posted to the community list, as it seems to be copied on all the 'offending' emails. Best Rgds, Josh ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
Jay Vaughan writes: My first problem when I tried setting up networking was that my home network is 192.168.0.x, and of course the NEO wants 192.168.0.202. So the first thing I did was to edit the NEO's /etc/network/interfaces to use IP 192.168.200.202, with gateway 192.168.200.200. I also set the DNS server to 192.168.200.200. this to me looks like a settings panel target. thank you for describing it so well. maybe a little python hacking on settingsGUI could pick this up .. Something I haven't investigated -- could the NEO do dhcp? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:A problem with usb networking
If your network was 192.168.1.x to start with, you shouldn't have had to modify that. What exactly isn't working? Are you able to ping the phone from your laptop? Does your laptop have a usb0 network device after plugging in the NEO? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think so... neo's dns is 192.168.200.200 Is it wrong? Are you sure you have your dns address in correctly? Whats in /etc/resolv.conf? DEXGATEMICRO il centralino VoIP multifunzione per l'azienda. Prova gratuita per 4 utenti! Scopri tutte le funzionalita' sul sito Dexgate.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Copy your host machines resolv.conf into the neo's resolv.conf. That's what I do and it works fine. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
A problem with usb networking
Nothing, same problem... :( I also tryied to change the configuration of my network: from 192.168.1.x to 192.168.0.x as yours. But nothing... I think the problem is in ubuntu... (what follows is for Debian Linux. If you've got another Linux, mapping this to your environment should be straightforward. If you're running Windows... oh, well). There are a bunch of things that could be happening -- in a nutshell, you need to make sure that your laptop will route appropriate packets to your NEO, and that it will forward packets. My first problem when I tried setting up networking was that my home network is 192.168.0.x, and of course the NEO wants 192.168.0.202. So the first thing I did was to edit the NEO's /etc/network/interfaces to use IP 192.168.200.202, with gateway 192.168.200.200. I also set the DNS server to 192.168.200.200. On my laptop, I edited /etc/network/interfaces to include allow-hotplug usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.200.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 -cut- DEXGATEMICRO il centralino VoIP multifunzione per l'azienda. Prova gratuita per 4 utenti! Scopri tutte le funzionalita' sul sito Dexgate.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think so... neo's dns is 192.168.200.200 Is it wrong? Are you sure you have your dns address in correctly? Whats in /etc/resolv.conf? ___ Copy your host machines resolv.conf into the neo's resolv.conf. That's what I do and it works fine. ___ Also, just for 100% certainty, make sure you can ping the addresses that are in resolv.conf from the Neo. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT:administrivia -- a request to reduce duplicate mails
Joshua Layne skrev: 'trivial' might be a tad strong here :) I, for example, have no idea how to do this with exim4 - I have no doubt it is possible though. I'll see what my brain extender (aka google) turns up. It is trivial for the software... that does not necessarily make it trivial to get any given software to do it :-) /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too. But I can't connect to the internet: ... We had two different responses: 1) Mickey concluded it must be resolv.conf; 2) Dr. Schaller concluded the notebook doesn't have IP forwarding turned on. How can we differentiate? ssh into the phone, and ping an OUTSIDE internet site by NUMERIC IP. e.g, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh phone [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping 128.100.65.1 PING 128.100.65.1 (128.100.65.1): 56 data bytes If you get lines like this: 64 bytes from 128.100.65.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=57 time=6.9 ms then Mickey is right. If you get no response, Dr. Schaller is right. N.B. the IP number is just an example (that happens to work today). You must use an IP address that you know is up and running; find out by pinging from your desktop. If this doesn't resolve the problem, please include the output of ifconfig both on your desktop and on the phone. when I use ipkg update or the web browser, nothing... Nothing is ambiguous. What exact message appears? Please read this: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT:administrivia -- a request to reduce duplicate mails
On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:57:54 +0100, Lars Hallberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Layne skrev: Hi all, I am subscribed to several of the openmoko lists. When someone copies multiple lists on a message, I get all the copies (usually 3 for some reason). Worse, when anyone replies to the initial mail, they reply all and I get another full set of mails. I realize that there are valid reasons for crossposting some of the content (particularly by core devs). Could I request the following? Send one email to each list (instead of copying all lists on a single email) That's a bad idea for two reasons: 1) If the message was appropriate for cross posting, so is the discussion. Else we get a fragmented discussion repeating the same points in all lists, making thing worse for people reading all lists. ok, I didn't think that all the way through. I agree. 2) If it is the same mail it is trivial for mail software to detect duplicates and remove them. If its different mail the problem get much harder to handle technically. 'trivial' might be a tad strong here :) I, for example, have no idea how to do this with exim4 - I have no doubt it is possible though. I'll see what my brain extender (aka google) turns up. The first rebuttal was reason enough - I withdraw the 'rfc'. thanks for the comments. Josh ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing, same problem... :( I also tryied to change the configuration of my network: from 192.168.1.x to 192.168.0.x as yours. But nothing... I think the problem is in ubuntu... (what follows is for Debian Linux. If you've got another Linux, mapping this to your environment should be straightforward. If you're running Windows... oh, well). There are a bunch of things that could be happening -- in a nutshell, you need to make sure that your laptop will route appropriate packets to your NEO, and that it will forward packets. My first problem when I tried setting up networking was that my home network is 192.168.0.x, and of course the NEO wants 192.168.0.202. So the first thing I did was to edit the NEO's /etc/network/interfaces to use IP 192.168.200.202, with gateway 192.168.200.200. I also set the DNS server to 192.168.200.200. On my laptop, I edited /etc/network/interfaces to include allow-hotplug usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.200.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 -cut- DEXGATEMICRO il centralino VoIP multifunzione per l'azienda. Prova gratuita per 4 utenti! Scopri tutte le funzionalita' sul sito Dexgate.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Are you sure you have your dns address in correctly? Whats in /etc/resolv.conf? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
Something I haven't investigated -- could the NEO do dhcp? yes - in fact i'm using this to avoid all the hassles with my network .. ipkg install udhcpd should give you what you need .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
I had similar issue, and followed the steps described in http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/Network_Setup.html . I hope it helps. Mete - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 10:32:49 AM Subject: A problem with usb networking Hi everyone! I have a neo1973 and I wish I could connect it to my Laptop in order to access the internet ( I use Ubuntu 7.10 ). I followed this page on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking but nothing... my neo won't connect to the internet! Everything seems ok but the internet connection... Can someone help me? Thanks in advance! PS Sorry for my poor English! My best regards, Morpheus90 DEXGATEMICRO il centralino VoIP multifunzione per l'azienda. Prova gratuita per 4 utenti! Scopri tutte le funzionalita' sul sito Dexgate.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Ian Darwin writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too. But I can't connect to the internet: ... We had two different responses: 1) Mickey concluded it must be resolv.conf; 2) Dr. Schaller concluded the notebook doesn't have IP forwarding turned on. There's also a 2a -- IP forwarding is turned on, but NAT isn't. I'm not sure how you'd differentiate this from 2 without a packet sniffer. Joe's suggestion of a packet sniffer is a great idea. Install tcpdump (or packet sniffer of your choice) on the laptop, and post what you see when the Neo tries to connect to the Internet. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Nothing, same problem... :( I also tryied to change the configuration of my network: from 192.168.1.x to 192.168.0.x as yours. But nothing... I think the problem is in ubuntu... I'm on ubunto to. In my /etc/network/interfaces i added: auto usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 up echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 (sorry if some lines ge broken up) The autopart is not always working, but 'sudo ifup usb0' and 'sudo ifdown usb0' make the trick when auto fail. The only other thing I remember is adding my nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf on the neo. But it do asume Your pc/laptop is not on the 192.168.0.x net. /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT:administrivia -- a request to reduce duplicate mails
Joshua Layne skrev: Hi all, I am subscribed to several of the openmoko lists. When someone copies multiple lists on a message, I get all the copies (usually 3 for some reason). Worse, when anyone replies to the initial mail, they reply all and I get another full set of mails. I realize that there are valid reasons for crossposting some of the content (particularly by core devs). Could I request the following? Send one email to each list (instead of copying all lists on a single email) That's a bad idea for two reasons: 1) If the message was appropriate for cross posting, so is the discussion. Else we get a fragmented discussion repeating the same points in all lists, making thing worse for people reading all lists. 2) If it is the same mail it is trivial for mail software to detect duplicates and remove them. If its different mail the problem get much harder to handle technically. /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:A problem with usb networking
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think so... neo's dns is 192.168.200.200 Is it wrong? Almost certainly. That's the DNS address I used, because I've got a DNS server on my laptop. You should set NEO's DNS to the same DNS as your laptop goes to. Also -- make sure you've got ip forwarding and NAT running on your laptop! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
It sounds like you just need to bridge the connections... check here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31632 On 12/5/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 05.12.2007 um 22:36 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too. But I can't connect to the internet: when I use ipkg update or the web browser, nothing... Looks like your laptop has no appropriate entry in its routing table to forward traffic from your Neo to the Internet. I know this issue from MacOS X where you must turn Internet Sharing on. -- hns ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too. But I can't connect to the internet: when I use ipkg update or the web browser, nothing... If you can ping, then the only thing missing is to adjust /etc/resolv.conf on the phone. -- - Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Dnia środa, 5 grudnia 2007, Krzysztof Kajkowski napisał: T9 is not necessary important (i.e. I do not use english on my phone so probably I would need to hack it to include polish T9 database). It is useful in SMSes but not on writing URLs or console ;) T9 is useful not only in SMSes but also in events, notes, todos, contacts and other places where you input text. My current phone (SE k750i) give s me T9 in all those places. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant punk's not dead. it just smells that way. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
dfu-util help
Hello all, Probably a the most noob question you're going to get for a while, but I'm a bit stuck... I wanted to flash the latest Qtopia build but have come unstuck at the first hurdle. Running Kubuntu 7.10 and downloaded dfu-util from here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/ I have apt-get'd the dependencies and updated etc/fstab as per here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util But the this is as good as I can get out of it: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/DFU$ sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./uImage-2.6.22.5-moko 11+svnr3238-r7-neo1973.bin ./dfu-util: ./dfu-util: cannot execute binary file Any help getting this to work would be massively appreciated! Thanks, Joseph ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
I was wondering why people we using static routes. I have my own dhcp server, so if I want static routes, then I just put the configuration into the dhcp server (based on MAC address). It lets you only have to configure one thing and everyone get the same information. Whether or not a dhcp client was part of the standard build/image, it will almost be required for GTA02 as *most* wifi networks make use of DHCP. So, I would say that making sure that it works as expected will give you a jump start on GTA02 testing. In addition, whatever the method for configuring network information needs to also play nice with dhcp. All I got, Jonathon -Original Message- From: Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: A problem with usb networking Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:07:10 +0100 Something I haven't investigated -- could the NEO do dhcp? yes - in fact i'm using this to avoid all the hassles with my network .. ipkg install udhcpd should give you what you need .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
Ian Darwin writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too. But I can't connect to the internet: ... We had two different responses: 1) Mickey concluded it must be resolv.conf; 2) Dr. Schaller concluded the notebook doesn't have IP forwarding turned on. There's also a 2a -- IP forwarding is turned on, but NAT isn't. I'm not sure how you'd differentiate this from 2 without a packet sniffer. (your diagnostic to tell 1 from 2 is spot-on). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SMS is required + fix for battery drained isse
On Dec 5, 2007 12:18 AM, flexd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Dec 4, 2007 5:45 PM, Bernhard Kaindl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it is enough for the US, but if you define the average European mobile phone user a part of mass, then you are wrong and yes, text text messaging (SMS) is an absolute requirement for European mobile Plenty of people use SMS in the US too, especially teenagers. More would use it if certain GSM carriers didn't charge extra for each individual message, both sending and receiving (shame on you TMobile in this regard). I have T-Mobile and I pay $10 a month for unlimited text and mms. Not all that expensive. I pay less than 0.12478098 U.S. dollars per SMS message. And that's with a crappy expensive one here in norway (Cash caller card thingy, pay $45 use it all to call/send, but sort of pricey calling). What are T-mobiles prices per sms? $0.10 to send and $0.01 to receive. The point is, SMS costs them next to nothing - it's so little data. A voice call is much more data-intensive and requires real-time performance. Yet they give us hundreds of minutes of voice usage (which my wife and I never use even half of) for one price and then charge extra for tiny little SMS packets. If you are a teenager sending dozens of SMS's per day it adds up. And unlimited GPRS (aka TZones) is $5.95, so with the Neo (someday) I'd rather use jabber. There could be a jabber server which acts as an SMS gateway, in case you try to send a message to someone who's not connected to jabber. Then at least you don't pay the fee to send the message, and the recipient phone doesn't pay to receive either as long as it is also connected. But I wonder how they would react if some phones started staying connected to GPRS all the time (but not necessarily using much bandwidth). I remember reading once that somebody had implemented TCP over SMS, in case you have the opposite problem. :-) (unlimited SMS and expensive GPRS) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
A problem with usb networking
I think so... neo's dns is 192.168.200.200 Is it wrong? Are you sure you have your dns address in correctly? Whats in /etc/resolv.conf? DEXGATEMICRO il centralino VoIP multifunzione per l'azienda. Prova gratuita per 4 utenti! Scopri tutte le funzionalita' sul sito Dexgate.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Compulab EM-X270 Wireless PDA Module
Hi all, we all love choice and openness. Currently, there is only the GTA01 available for OpenMoko and the GTA02 still needs some time. This has raised the search for alternatives. Especially the Wireless PDA module EM-X270 from Compulabs was discussed positively - except for its missing availability to single individuals. Therefore, we have decided to start a Group Purchase. The target is to reach 100 ordered units so that the price remains reasonable for everyone. Well, it *is* more expensive than a GTA02 will be. It *is* more expensive than an iPhone (subsidized). But it is superior in some (not all) aspects, quite open and you can install Angstrom Linux. More details can be found at these links: General Info: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Compulab_EM-X270 Manufacturers page: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm About Linux: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/download A device comparison: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Compulab_EM- X270#Comparison_with_the_FIC_Neo1973 Group Purchase: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=CompuLab%20PDA%20Module Please don't be scared to death by our price of EUR 649,- compared to the $122 written in the data sheet. We can't do magical cloning or beaming of hardware (only with open source software :-). First of all, the $122 is the naked board with minimum memory and CPU clock, no display, no battery, no keyboard, no GPS, no GPRS, etc. We have choosen to bet on the most powerful version (so that it is still a competitive device in 2-3 years). Next, Compulab has a multiplier factor for orders below 1k units. Finally, this price includes all our handling, shipment from the manufacturer to our stock, some import duties, warranties, risk reserve funds, stock management and handling cost, credit card processing cost, etc. And finally some compensation for the time we spend doing this instead of other things. The largest single cost component is the German VAT of 19%. If you are ordering from outside Germany there are options that we ship with no VAT (i.e. 545,38 EUR). So, our target is to reach 100 ordered units by end of January 2008. You can help to get choice into the OpenMoko world by either ordering a Compulab Module or at least spreading this information and directing those who are interested to us. One more thing ... ... if Angstrom works, OpenMoko should also work with some adaptations. And QuantumSTEP as well. Nikolaus Schaller Am 13.11.2007 um 01:50 schrieb Robin Paulson: On 13/11/2007, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My requirements are: 640x480 (for suitably transcoded movies), [snip broken up requirements] Yes, I'm quite aware that the GTA02 meets these requirements, as does the UTC universal. The question is, do any _other_ phones also fall into this category? Of course, I do want to run OpenMoko, and will do the necessary work if really required to make it do so if it already runs linux. some of us have been talking off list about a module from Compulab that may be suitable. it is an ARM device, has a ready to go Angstrom linux image, 640 x 480 screen, gprs, wi-fi, bluetooth and gps. all it needs is a case. see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Compulab_EM-X270 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community The Handheld-Linux Shop http://www.handheld-linux.com operated by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching http://www.goldelico.com AG München, HRA 89571 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Example of accelerometers utility
On 4 Dec 2007, at 09:58, Al Johnson wrote: Monday 03 December 2007, Stroller wrote: On 2 Dec 2007, at 15:42, Steven Le Roux wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w I _love_ the ball-bearing inbox and the way that a message from your g/f might have a different timbre from one from your bank. That feels VERY innovative to me, and more than compensates for the stupid name (Shroogle? WTF?) and the dull video. In a fair chunk of Scotland, including Glasgow where the code was written, shoogle means shake. Giving the phone a shoogle to find out if you had any messages would make perfect sense. I say this as an englishman who occasionally travels north of the border, so the details may be wrong :-) Ah! I'm enlightened! They should've had a sassy Glaswegian explaining this at the beginning of the video: Gie' it a shoogle, ken! Stroller. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util help
Joseph Reeves a écrit : But the this is as good as I can get out of it: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/DFU$ sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./uImage-2.6.22.5-moko 11+svnr3238-r7-neo1973.bin ./dfu-util: ./dfu-util: cannot execute binary file If chmod +x does not work, check that it's not a 64 bits file on a 32 bits system. If this is the case, I can send you a 32 bits version, or better, put somewhere available for everyone. Regards, -- Lucas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
Am 05.12.2007 um 22:36 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too. But I can't connect to the internet: when I use ipkg update or the web browser, nothing... Looks like your laptop has no appropriate entry in its routing table to forward traffic from your Neo to the Internet. I know this issue from MacOS X where you must turn Internet Sharing on. -- hns ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util help
Hi Andy, Thanks for your reply. Sorry, I should have said that I had chmod'd it to begin with. ls reveals: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/DFU$ ls -l dfu-util -rwxr-xr-x 1 joseph joseph 706018 2007-12-05 12:04 dfu-util Thanks again, Joseph On 05/12/2007, Andrew Loughran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joseph Reeves wrote: Hello all, Probably a the most noob question you're going to get for a while, but I'm a bit stuck... I wanted to flash the latest Qtopia build but have come unstuck at the first hurdle. Running Kubuntu 7.10 and downloaded dfu-util from here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/ I have apt-get'd the dependencies and updated etc/fstab as per here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util But the this is as good as I can get out of it: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/DFU$ sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./uImage-2.6.22.5-moko 11+svnr3238-r7-neo1973.bin ./dfu-util: ./dfu-util: cannot execute binary file Any help getting this to work would be massively appreciated! Thanks, Joseph ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Joseph. sudo chmod a+x dfu-util I guess would be a solution. check the perms with a ls -l dfu-util and make sure you can execute it. Regards, Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
Jay Vaughan writes: Something I haven't investigated -- could the NEO do dhcp? yes - in fact i'm using this to avoid all the hassles with my network .. ipkg install udhcpd should give you what you need .. Thanks -- I'll have to play with that. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Compulab EM-X270 Wireless PDA Module
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 13:07:11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: handling cost, credit card processing cost, etc. And finally some compensation for the time we spend doing this instead of other things. The largest single cost component is the German VAT of 19%. If you are ordering from outside Germany there are options that we ship with no VAT (i.e. 545,38 EUR). Does this include a case for the phone? Also at what number of units does the price drop to say 400EUR outside Germany? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Wiadomość napisana w dniu Dec 5, 2007, o godz 12:51 AM, przez Jon Phillips: Priorities for mass usage: 1. phone working 2. acceptable battery life (1 full day without charge) Am I wrong? For me it's also finger-usable keyboard - just like the one in Qtopia. With that you can operate your phone without stylus (in most cases). cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Building apps *on* the neo1973 ..
Okay, today for a bit of early morning fun I set up a dev environment
on my neo1973:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card/hak$ time gcc -I/usr/include -I/usr/
include/cairo -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/
lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/
include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 gtkhello.c -L/usr/lib -lgtk-x11-2.0 -o
gtkhello
real0m 10.79s
user0m 9.10s
sys 0m 1.07s
Only 10 seconds to build a fairly basic gtk app with two panes and
lots of buttons .. pretty nice i must say! And it works great!
The only thing left to do now is fix up the .pc files in /usr/lib/
pkgconfig so that i can make a proper smart Makefile, and away we go
with a truly portable development environment on my phone, in my
pocket. Great fun!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card/hak$ ls -alF gtkhello
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root19004 Dec 1 03:08 gtkhello*
Not too shabby!
Some more details, in case anyone is interested:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card/hak$ df -h
FilesystemSize Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mmcblk0p1 473.0M295.7M152.9M 66% /
tmpfs40.0k 0 40.0k 0% /mnt/.psplash
/dev/mmcblk0p1 473.0M295.7M152.9M 66% /dev/.static/dev
tmpfs 2.0M 64.0k 1.9M 3% /dev
/dev/mmcblk0p2 458.4M360.7M 74.0M 83% /media/card
tmpfs61.9M 48.0k 61.8M 0% /tmp
tmpfs61.9M152.0k 61.7M 0% /var/volatile
tmpfs61.9M 12.0k 61.9M 0% /dev/shm
tmpfs61.9M 0 61.9M 0% /media/ram
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card/hak$ mount
rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
/dev/root on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,data=ordered)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
tmpfs on /mnt/.psplash type tmpfs (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
/dev/root on /dev/.static/dev type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)
tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw)
/dev/mmcblk0p2 on /media/card type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)
tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw)
tmpfs on /var/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
tmpfs on /media/ram type tmpfs (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card/hak$ cat gtkhello.c
/*
* Copyright (C) 2007 OpenedHand Ltd
*
* This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
modify it under
* the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the
Free Software
* Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option)
any later
* version.
*
* This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT
* ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS
* FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for
more
* details.
*
* You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
along with
* this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation,
Inc., 51
* Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301 USA
*/
#include gtk/gtk.h
/* type definitions */
typedef struct
{
GtkWidget *search_entry;
GtkWidget *filter_combo;
} ApplicationData;
/* signal callbacks */
static void search_toggle_cb (GtkWidget * button, ApplicationData *
data);
int
main (int argc, char **argv)
{
GtkWidget *window, *notebook, *icon;
GtkWidget *box, *hbox, *toolbar, *details, *navigation, *w;
GtkTreeViewColumn *column;
GtkWidget *widget;
GtkToolItem *toolitem;
GtkListStore *liststore;
GtkTreeIter it;
ApplicationData *data;
gtk_init (argc, argv);
data = g_new0 (ApplicationData, 1);
/* main window */
window = gtk_window_new (GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL);
g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT (window), delete-event,
(GCallback) gtk_main_quit, NULL);
gtk_window_set_title (GTK_WINDOW (window), Example);
/* main notebook */
notebook = gtk_notebook_new ();
gtk_container_add (GTK_CONTAINER (window), notebook);
gtk_notebook_set_tab_pos (GTK_NOTEBOOK (notebook), GTK_POS_BOTTOM);
/* navigation */
box = gtk_vbox_new (FALSE, 0);
gtk_notebook_append_page (GTK_NOTEBOOK (notebook), box,
gtk_image_new_from_stock (GTK_STOCK_INDEX,
GTK_ICON_SIZE_LARGE_TOOLBAR));
gtk_container_child_set (GTK_CONTAINER (notebook), box, tab-expand,
TRUE, NULL);
/* toolbar */
toolbar = gtk_toolbar_new ();
gtk_box_pack_start (GTK_BOX (box), toolbar, FALSE, FALSE, 0);
toolitem = gtk_tool_button_new_from_stock (GTK_STOCK_NEW);
gtk_tool_item_set_expand (toolitem, TRUE);
gtk_toolbar_insert (GTK_TOOLBAR (toolbar), toolitem, 0);
gtk_toolbar_insert (GTK_TOOLBAR (toolbar),
gtk_separator_tool_item_new (),
1);
toolitem = gtk_tool_button_new_from_stock (GTK_STOCK_DELETE);
gtk_tool_item_set_expand (toolitem, TRUE);
gtk_toolbar_insert (GTK_TOOLBAR (toolbar), toolitem, 2);
/*
Re: dfu-util help
Joseph Reeves wrote: Hello all, Probably a the most noob question you're going to get for a while, but I'm a bit stuck... I wanted to flash the latest Qtopia build but have come unstuck at the first hurdle. Running Kubuntu 7.10 and downloaded dfu-util from here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/ I have apt-get'd the dependencies and updated etc/fstab as per here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util But the this is as good as I can get out of it: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/DFU$ sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./uImage-2.6.22.5-moko 11+svnr3238-r7-neo1973.bin ./dfu-util: ./dfu-util: cannot execute binary file Any help getting this to work would be massively appreciated! Thanks, Joseph ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Joseph. sudo chmod a+x dfu-util I guess would be a solution. check the perms with a ls -l dfu-util and make sure you can execute it. Regards, Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Wiadomość napisana w dniu Dec 5, 2007, o godz 10:14 AM, przez Thomas Wood: On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 09:20 +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: For me it's also finger-usable keyboard - just like the one in Qtopia. With that you can operate your phone without stylus (in most cases). Chris has worked on a multi-tap input method: http://chrislord.net/blog/Software/multitap-pad.enlighten That's wonderful news! What I also like in Qtopia's keyboard is ability to switch between number, symbol and letters keyboard by moving you finger down or up on keyboard. Obviously T9 will not be implemented due to patent issues. I will ask him if the source is available anywhere. T9 is not necessary important (i.e. I do not use english on my phone so probably I would need to hack it to include polish T9 database). It is useful in SMSes but not on writing URLs or console ;) cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 09:20 +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: Wiadomość napisana w dniu Dec 5, 2007, o godz 12:51 AM, przez Jon Phillips: Priorities for mass usage: 1. phone working 2. acceptable battery life (1 full day without charge) Am I wrong? For me it's also finger-usable keyboard - just like the one in Qtopia. With that you can operate your phone without stylus (in most cases). Chris has worked on a multi-tap input method: http://chrislord.net/blog/Software/multitap-pad.enlighten Obviously T9 will not be implemented due to patent issues. I will ask him if the source is available anywhere. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SMS is required + fix for battery drained isse (was: 2007.11 snapshot available)
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 01:45 +0100, Bernhard Kaindl wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Jon Phillips wrote: [...] So can we __please__ put the thought of text messaging (SMS) being optional for mass __usage__ (not resting, as it's now) to rest now? Of course it's not neccesary if you do not plan to ready the Neo for mass-sales in the next 5 years. By then maybe everying is done thru mails, but for now, it's all still done thru SMS in middle Europe at least. BTW, SMS works with Qtopia: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo1973 The latest snapshot includes the first alpha version of the Messages application which allows you to send and receive SMS messages. Unfortunately there is a bug which means it won't display messages from unknown contacts (i.e. people not in the address book), but expect that to be fixed in the updates very soon. [...] Either the 500mA charging has to be available at all times (also when the battery is is completely empty), or a charger which is able to instatanously power-on the Neo so that there is no interruption in phone use when the battery is completely drained must be provided. I can confirm that GTA02 fixes this - you do not even need a battery in the device to use it if the USB cable is connected. I've heard that the Nokia DT-14 charges the Neo battery about 75%, which should be enough to revive them. Regards, Thomas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
