GSoC 2008
I'm heavily interested in apply to get the ad-hoc communication going for GSoC 2008. I just wondered what is the situation on getting the hardware? -- Ewan Marshall (ewanm89) Geek by nature, Linux by choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 850MHz or 900MHz? ATT or TMobile?
I've had the exact opposite experience. I had been a T-Mobile USA customer for over three years..they made a mistake, even admitted to making the mistake but wouldn't correct it (refunding money to me). I've found that T-Mobile's customer service is not great... each time I contact them, it gets worse. I switched to ATT when I came back from Europe in January. Once I walked into a corporate store (not a reseller) all my questions were answered and got what I wanted. I've contacted customer service twice and they've been good but not great. Two totally different opinions on the same issue... you'll just have to make up your own mind. As far as technology, I think ATT has a slight edge... they are more quickly deploying 3G from what I hear. I travel a lot and when my phone goes to a T-Mobile antenna I always get Edge and when on a Cingular/ATT antenna I get 3G about 50% of the time. ATT is definitely more expensive (like 20% more) but for the better customer service, I think it is worth it. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:54 PM, thewtex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ajit Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which would be the better provider for this area: ATT or TMobile? I have been a long time TMobile customer, but not in that area. Their costumer service is superb and their prices are decent. I would not get ATT. The have an illustrious history of being a monopoly and acting like one. They treat their costumers as prey to be taken advantage of. They will try to lock you in. They will spy on your calls and have no qualms about letting the government do the same. Their costumer service is horrible. In some areas, their coverage may be better, maybe. And, there may be better hardware out there than the Openmoko Freerunner. But that is not the point. Get an Openmoko for the freedom and do not buy service from a company that willingly lets the government spy on your conversations. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 850MHz or 900MHz? ATT or TMobile?
I bought a tri-band phone while I lived in Europe. It is 900Mhz/1900Mhz. I had no problems with it on T-Mobile's USA network while I was their customer. I tend to buy my phones is Asia or Europe because they are unlocked and usually not crippled. T-Mobile in particular likes to artificially limit their phones. For example, they will limit SMS messages to say 30 characters when that is not the technological limit. My theory is they do this to increase the number text messages sent so they can get you to buy a more expensive SMS plan or charge you the 10 cents per message overage charge. On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 7:07 PM, feydreva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I do have almost the same question... I live in US, but I m european, and goes back there very often, plan on comming back to europe in less than a year I am with T-mobile, and from what I heard/read, T-mobile in US is mainly 1900 Mhz. So, I i have a 1900/900 phone in US, will I really suffer from not having the 850 Mhz ? Does T-mobile US really uses the 850 Mhz Openmoko really need to be a Quad-band phone Is there any plans for it ? Regards Philippe On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 07:28 -0500, Adam Hough wrote: On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 04:02 -0700, Ajit Natarajan wrote: Hello, A question from a cell phone newbie. I understand that the Freerunner will come in two varieties: 850MHz and 900MHz. I live in the Silicon Valley in California. My work zip is 95014 (Cupertino) and my home zip is 95008 (Campbell). In and around these areas is where I expect to be most of the time. Should I get the 850MHz version phone or the 900MHz? Which would be the better provider for this area: ATT or TMobile? If I should RTFM, please send me a pointer to where I should look to get my answers. Thanks! Ajit ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Most likely you want to get the 850Mhz version because as far as I know there is no 900Mhz GSM frequency band in use in the US. http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
I would of thought in the EU you'd need a supplier who is big enough to bring over GTA02s by the container-load, not in 10s. Its the only way to keep the price down everywhere else. Jon steve wrote: Thanks Sean, Let me just give the community an overview of what we want to do with sales, distributors, and partners moving forward. First and foremost we want to keep sales and marketing in Openmoko as LEAN as humanly possible so we put maximum effort into engineering. So, in the same way the engineering departments rely on the community of developers, sales and marketing will rely on a community of resellers. I could build a big sales and marketing organization. I refuse to do this. I don't think it serves Openmoko or the community. I would rather have people in the community support the brand, build the brand, extend the sales channel and make some money for their effort and risk. For me it's simple: Hire a guy or empower the community? I choose the latter. So, we are working toward a system of discounts for people who buy say 10 phones or 50 phones, and we are trying to create an opportunity for them so they can make money on their belief: their belief that FreeRunner will be a great product. Sean and I think that this belief should be rewarded and encouraged. So, we will do this. Buying 10 phones, for example, will be as easy as buying 1 phone. And there will be a discount. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Moss-Pultz Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:09 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Price of the Freerunner published? ramsesoriginal wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Beier ha scritto: Am Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:48:10 +0100 schrieb Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What we Europeans would need is a FIC subsidiary somewhere here, As I read FIC has some branch in Czech or Slovakia. Thing is: If you ship a container €70 is definitely not the price per device. You can help: motivate enough penguin people to buy a new phone and maybe some one will risk such order. If FIC could ship them to Czech (or Slovakia) with their in house post it might be easier to get a good price. Let's hope. Christian This is what i'd like to do with my LUG and some other people near me, take the name, make only one order of 10 Neos and then give the phones to the people. Obviously the price will not be lowered a lot, but the shipping costs are usually divided so in total it will cost less to everyone. We always do the same with thinkgeek things or some CDs or DVDs. Just my 0.2€cent :D Pietro The same also holds true if (and here comes the crazy part: correct me if it's illegal) someone want's to buy a bunch of Freerunners (let's say 10), customize them (with custom themes, programs, settings, maybe even pre-filled data, some additional hardware, case mods, and much more), and resell them, either to privates that want given features, or to firms as a working phone, or for some specific application (for example skiers, with custom software and theme). Doing so would also allow to grow a family of hacks around the openmoko (a version with a webcam? with build-in batteries? with r/c sender incorporated? with wooden case?). Just my two €-cents There is nothing crazy about this idea. In fact, this is exactly what we're planning for ;-) Details will come later from Steve or Harry. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu on GTA02, the problem still here
On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 02:55 +0300, Evgeny Ginzburg wrote: In current builds this bug exists, patch inserted in revision 4230, but i really don't know which revision OE use now how migrate to 4230. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Well svn up says revision 4241, and the bug is still there... :( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
Jonathan Spooner wrote: I would of thought in the EU you'd need a supplier who is big enough to bring over GTA02s by the container-load, not in 10s. Its the only way to keep the price down everywhere else. We will have our own hub in the EU. Neos will move directly from our factory to that hub. Sean Jon steve wrote: Thanks Sean, Let me just give the community an overview of what we want to do with sales, distributors, and partners moving forward. First and foremost we want to keep sales and marketing in Openmoko as LEAN as humanly possible so we put maximum effort into engineering. So, in the same way the engineering departments rely on the community of developers, sales and marketing will rely on a community of resellers. I could build a big sales and marketing organization. I refuse to do this. I don't think it serves Openmoko or the community. I would rather have people in the community support the brand, build the brand, extend the sales channel and make some money for their effort and risk. For me it's simple: Hire a guy or empower the community? I choose the latter. So, we are working toward a system of discounts for people who buy say 10 phones or 50 phones, and we are trying to create an opportunity for them so they can make money on their belief: their belief that FreeRunner will be a great product. Sean and I think that this belief should be rewarded and encouraged. So, we will do this. Buying 10 phones, for example, will be as easy as buying 1 phone. And there will be a discount. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Moss-Pultz Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:09 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Price of the Freerunner published? ramsesoriginal wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Beier ha scritto: Am Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:48:10 +0100 schrieb Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What we Europeans would need is a FIC subsidiary somewhere here, As I read FIC has some branch in Czech or Slovakia. Thing is: If you ship a container €70 is definitely not the price per device. You can help: motivate enough penguin people to buy a new phone and maybe some one will risk such order. If FIC could ship them to Czech (or Slovakia) with their in house post it might be easier to get a good price. Let's hope. Christian This is what i'd like to do with my LUG and some other people near me, take the name, make only one order of 10 Neos and then give the phones to the people. Obviously the price will not be lowered a lot, but the shipping costs are usually divided so in total it will cost less to everyone. We always do the same with thinkgeek things or some CDs or DVDs. Just my 0.2€cent :D Pietro The same also holds true if (and here comes the crazy part: correct me if it's illegal) someone want's to buy a bunch of Freerunners (let's say 10), customize them (with custom themes, programs, settings, maybe even pre-filled data, some additional hardware, case mods, and much more), and resell them, either to privates that want given features, or to firms as a working phone, or for some specific application (for example skiers, with custom software and theme). Doing so would also allow to grow a family of hacks around the openmoko (a version with a webcam? with build-in batteries? with r/c sender incorporated? with wooden case?). Just my two €-cents There is nothing crazy about this idea. In fact, this is exactly what we're planning for ;-) Details will come later from Steve or Harry. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Seems that hardware is quite likely to become available before summer. (This is only my opinion and I'm not related to Openmoko otherwise than being listed in community and kernel mailing lists). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Price of the Freerunner spare parts
Am So 23. März 2008 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz: We will have our own hub in the EU. Neos will move directly from our factory to that hub. What's about availability and pricing of spare parts like LCM, battery, housing? Will there be any repair service? cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan Spooner wrote: I would of thought in the EU you'd need a supplier who is big enough to bring over GTA02s by the container-load, not in 10s. Its the only way to keep the price down everywhere else. We will have our own hub in the EU. Neos will move directly from our factory to that hub. Sean This is great news, Sean! I think there is not much more I could wish for. Good luck with the final testing!!! (crossing my fingers here) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu on GTA02, the problem still here
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 10:53:45AM +0100, Jens Fursund wrote: On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 02:55 +0300, Evgeny Ginzburg wrote: In current builds this bug exists, patch inserted in revision 4230, but i really don't know which revision OE use now how migrate to 4230. It's on buildhost already: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+git0+b29661fc115106454288051bc9a488351ce8+svn4230-r3.bin the default env used by download.sh and flash.sh should be able to use the latest files automatically, so MokoMakefile will also work. I think you can use these images (u-boot, kernel, rootfs) first and update it by your ipkg/binary later to ease the trouble. Well svn up says revision 4241, and the bug is still there... :( No, it's not. Check console-ansi.patch http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/console-ansi.patch svn update the openmoko directory under /moko is not equivalent to updating the package built from OE. maybe you can enable moko-autorev.inc or download from the uri above. Regards, John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu on GTA02, the problem still here
A lot of person has this problem: Since last commit of Andrew was changed the source of openmoko builds. Recent openmoko builds solved the problem, but a lot of persons, and also I, continued to have the same problem, being unable to use: openmoko/build.sh The solution is very easy: go in openmoko directory and to move all the *.bin and *.jffs2 files to a tmp directory. Then run another time: openmoko/download.sh openmoko/build.sh and the problem will be solved Happy Openmoko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Hello. On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 06:24, ewanm89 wrote: I'm heavily interested in apply to get the ad-hoc communication going for GSoC 2008. Great. We had a try last year, but it failed. Nice to see it going again. I just wondered what is the situation on getting the hardware? What exactly do you mean here? If Freerunner will be available at the time, or if Openmoko provide students the hardware? regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:39:29 -0300 Stefan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly do you mean here? If Freerunner will be available at the time, or if Openmoko provide students the hardware? Well obviously the hardware costs money that I don't expect to just come from nowhere, I was more worried about actually making sure it got to those of us who are accepted in time. -- Ewan Marshall (ewanm89/Cap_J_L_Picard on irc) http://ewanm89.co.uk/ Geek by nature, Linux by choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
ewanm89 wrote: On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:39:29 -0300 Stefan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly do you mean here? If Freerunner will be available at the time, or if Openmoko provide students the hardware? Well obviously the hardware costs money that I don't expect to just come from nowhere, I was more worried about actually making sure it got to those of us who are accepted in time. Don't worry. GSoC is extremely important to us. We will make sure all the people who participate have FreeRunners. Even if they are only engineering samples, they still will work fine for development. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
