Re: NZ Group order
2008/4/26 David Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: do any of you know about the situation on frequencies in nz? i hear telecom and vodafone use different bands, 850 and 900 respectively. is this correct? This is something I've been wondering about as well. It would be particularly nice if I could choose a different provider by switching simcards. I realise this isn't removetly possible with the current cdma phones that telecom has, but the 'next generation cell network' thing sounds like it might be compatable? yeah, they're finally ditching cdma in a few months, for gsm. technically we could switch sims to go from one network to the other, but i think we'd need the original proposed quad-band neo to do that. need some reliable evidence on which freqs the two companies use ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS research project topic
Hi, I am developing a map viewer application called Yama. It is planned to work on the Neo. You can see it working on http://yamamap.org/ with a piece of map from http://openstreetmap.org/. It is written in Java so it is very easy to prototype on PC. If you write software that requires showing locations on a map we could work together. If you specify how you could use a map viewer we culd create an interface so you can use it as a plugin or you can plug into it. Geert Schuring is working on location sharing through network:http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/visualgps/ http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/gpslocationsharing I (as Yama's developer) am willing to cooperate with their project. You could check these projects and think about how you could use them. Best Regards Schmidt András simarillion wrote: Hi community, I'm studying electrical engineering at Karlsruhe University in Germany and I nearly finished. Now I have to do a student research project and because I'm a big fan of the openmoko/freerunner project I want to combine this. I've got an offer from an Institude to do something like that. I must give them a topic that must contain research and the GPS. Now is the question, what research with the freerunner and it's GPS device can I do that would help the openmoko community and seems to be something that institute would support. It should not be only writing a gui or something like that. I have got to improve, develop, add or optimize something. This project should last between 3 and 6 months. I'am also trying hard to be allowed to give my research solution back to the community, as kind of code or information. I'm looking forward to free my phone and support the project All the best, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
On 4/25/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Freerunner will be replacing a Sony Ericsson P990i http://www.cellphonebeat.com/images/p990i_.jpg here - now THAT'S a phone which could barely be more ugly, but nevertheless it sold well on its features (and besides, ugliness is STILL only an opinion). Not to mention that phone is a piece of crap, I'm sending this mail from one now. Sure, the keyboard is cool, and so is 3G, but the fact that I can't really multitask, like run a web browser and another app at the same time, kills it. The FreeRunner shouldnt have this problem though, with 128mb of RAM. I could not agree more:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS research project topic
Thanks for your replies, on monday or tuesday I will have a meeting with my supervisor an will tell him my / our ;-) ideas and we have to decide what is possibly realizable and contains enough research. Perhaps it's possible to join an existing project but I think the problem will be that they don't know what I've done and what somebody else. I will answer your mails as soon as I know more. All the best, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Youtube Video Playback on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?)
Just thinking out loud here, as I probably have no clue what I'm speaking about, but what about something like XDamage, that only updates the areas of the screen that have changed? Cheers, Federico On 4/26/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:56:44 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:38:24 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Another format that maybe works on streaming (if I've not misunderstood what has been stated) is * 5: [EMAIL PROTECTED] flv file no - not going to work. 21fps at best. :( Ah... I thought that the limitation was only on playing media saved on SD, not on data streaming from the net. Anyway if the player frame-dropping is enabled (or setting the -fps value to 20 in mplayer, for example), I guess we could get a better video quality than the other formats... as per the thread (just scroll back through it) there is a general limitation of video bus bandwidth. this will always limit the amount of data you can feed to the graphics chip (the glamo). this SAME bus is SHARED with SD Card data. so that same bandwidth now is for both functions, not just graphics. i tested - 21fps is what i got for my 320x240 test mp3g4 file (of course bitrate will vary this framerate, and different codecs will also affect it). -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Cairo, Egypt. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mohamed Hazem wrote: What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ? Where are you? Shachar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
I myself and all people I talked to think that that the black one has no style. Also the orange-white looks cool. It is not a blocker for me but would be for an average user who is not Open fan. Fancy color case is a must in the future. Stroller wrote: On 25 Apr 2008, at 16:25, Lowell Higley wrote: Nine out of ten typical consumers I show it to think it's ugly and wouldn't buy it because of looks alone. If I show it to a techie type, I get the what are the specs? question. Lesson? To the consumer, beauty is only skin deep. This is typical of the consumer, though (and of the place the mobile phone has taken in the mainstream, of reflecting the owner's personality). At the end of the day, there are a hundred mobile phone designs on the market - and for probably this reason. Substantially all mobile phones do the same thing - make receive calls - and I guess appearance is a primary differentiation. If your one consumer in ten finds the Freerunner acceptable (or even, shudder!, attractive) enough to that they'll buy it, then Freerunner surely has a far greater market interest than most mobiles! It's all a matter of taste and I'll bet there are very few phones on the market which would be _universally_ considered non-ugly. We should also remember that OpenMoko is probably not aiming at the girlie market, of consumers for whom appearance and daintiness is the primary concern. I am reminded of a girl I knew two or three years ago who was pleased with her new mobile - it was a small clamshell design with a second screen on the outside; the outer screen showed the time or, when it rang, the caller's name or number. A screen saver was available for both screens - floating pink pastel bubbles were chosen. When making calls is the only function then I do like small phones, but the aforementioned girlie phone had no features that appealed to me over any of the other clamshell designs available on the market for the past decade. The Freerunner is surely aimed to compete with phones based on Windows Moble Symbian - phones on which email, calendaring media playback are important features (it may even compete, then, with the PSP). The Freerunner will be replacing a Sony Ericsson P990i http://www.cellphonebeat.com/images/p990i_.jpg here - now THAT'S a phone which could barely be more ugly, but nevertheless it sold well on its features (and besides, ugliness is STILL only an opinion). Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
On 26 Apr 2008, at 11:07, Federico Lorenzi wrote: On 4/25/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Freerunner will be replacing a Sony Ericsson P990i http://www.cellphonebeat.com/images/p990i_.jpg here - now THAT'S a phone which could barely be more ugly, but nevertheless it sold well on its features (and besides, ugliness is STILL only an opinion). Not to mention that phone is a piece of crap, I'm sending this mail from one now. Sure, the keyboard is cool, and so is 3G, but the fact that I can't really multitask, like run a web browser and another app at the same time, kills it. ... S I'll be selling mine once my Freerunner arrives, and the eBay listing will be saying how great my old phone is. I'll be selling it regretfully and it'll be an ideal phone for a power user. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
if you don't like the case, get the CAD files, create a new case and make a business out of it. regards ak ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Youtube Video Playback on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?)
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:10:28 + Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Just thinking out loud here, as I probably have no clue what I'm speaking about, but what about something like XDamage, that only updates the areas of the screen that have changed? not useful. :) Cheers, Federico On 4/26/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:56:44 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:38:24 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Another format that maybe works on streaming (if I've not misunderstood what has been stated) is * 5: [EMAIL PROTECTED] flv file no - not going to work. 21fps at best. :( Ah... I thought that the limitation was only on playing media saved on SD, not on data streaming from the net. Anyway if the player frame-dropping is enabled (or setting the -fps value to 20 in mplayer, for example), I guess we could get a better video quality than the other formats... as per the thread (just scroll back through it) there is a general limitation of video bus bandwidth. this will always limit the amount of data you can feed to the graphics chip (the glamo). this SAME bus is SHARED with SD Card data. so that same bandwidth now is for both functions, not just graphics. i tested - 21fps is what i got for my 320x240 test mp3g4 file (of course bitrate will vary this framerate, and different codecs will also affect it). -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
Hi there, I fixed your top-posting problem for you. You can see the correct posting order at the bottom of this message. On 26 Apr 2008, at 12:44, Schmidt András wrote: Stroller wrote: On 25 Apr 2008, at 16:25, Lowell Higley wrote: Nine out of ten typical consumers I show it to think it's ugly and wouldn't buy it because of looks alone. If I show it to a techie type, I get the what are the specs? question. Lesson? To the consumer, beauty is only skin deep. ... At the end of the day, there are a hundred mobile phone designs on the market - and for probably this reason. Substantially all mobile phones do the same thing - make receive calls - and I guess appearance is a primary differentiation. If your one consumer in ten finds the Freerunner acceptable (or even, shudder!, attractive) enough to that they'll buy it, then Freerunner surely has a far greater market interest than most mobiles! It's all a matter of taste and I'll bet there are very few phones on the market which would be _universally_ considered non-ugly. I myself and all people I talked to think that that the black one has no style. Also the orange-white looks cool. It is not a blocker for me but would be for an average user who is not Open fan. Fancy color case is a must in the future. Perhaps I didn't make my point very clearly. You are an individual, and there are about 6,500,000,000 other individuals just like you, except with slightly differing tastes. If you take all the other phones on the market then yourself and all people you talk to will also think that almost all of them have no style. This is the nature of individual taste. For each every person there's a mobile phone (painter, musician, design of rug) that is just perfect, and I doubt if yourself and all people you talk to will universally agree on all these things. I, personally, think the stealth Freerunner looks GREAT, but I don't think that's the most important factor. Yes, the majority of mainstream consumers care only about the appearance, but even if 5% of consumers buy according to features then that is a MASSIVE worldwide market. I am pretty sure that FIC didn't get an amateur to design the Freerunner's case. They didn't get a twelve year-old to design it, and they didn't buy an electronics enclosure off-the-shelf from Radio Shack http://www.polycase.com/images/cache/qs-group-category-0-0.jpg. So please don't be offended but saying I don't like it and neither do my friends is totally irrelevant - come back when you've interviewed a hundred different people and they've scored the Freerunner (alongside several other phones) in a range of 1 - 10 on size, colour, design attractiveness, comfort-to-hold and so on. You need to establish with each respondent why they chose their last phone - was price a factor? features? You can probably rule out everyone who got their phone free from their mobile supplier, because the Freerunner's market is those who are prepared to pay a premium for the features they want in a phone. Now interview another 100 people, those who are prepared to pay a premium for the features they want in a smart- or business-phone - do they find the Freerunner attractive or ugly? Do they care? Not wanting to uncover a mound of sleeping proverbial here, but the Freerunner's lack of a camera is probably far more important to the Freerunner's buyers. And since we can't change the colour of the first 1,000 or 10,000 Freerunners, bitching about the colour might as well go the same place as the I want a camera thread - dead buried. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
I just don't care about the case. The black is cool, and the black/silver that I've seen in various photos looks pretty slick, but on balance, I'm buying a openmoko phone because it's a phone that I can do cool things with. That's why I'm buying it, not because it looks amazing so I can pop it out at a club as some sort of post adolescent pre mating ritual display of shiny objects to attract the opposite sex. If I wanted to do that, I'd get an iPhone. Also, I'd go to clubs. -- Cheers, David Murrell ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
Schmidt András wrote: I myself and all people I talked to think that that the black one has no style. Also the orange-white looks cool. I don't agree... Imho the black one is more professional... I loved the Black/silver before but now I think that the full-black version is the best. The orange-white (or any *-white) version imho looks like a kids toy! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
Stroller wrote: Hi there, I fixed your top-posting problem for you. You can see the correct posting order at the bottom of this message. On 26 Apr 2008, at 12:44, Schmidt András wrote: Stroller wrote: On 25 Apr 2008, at 16:25, Lowell Higley wrote: Nine out of ten typical consumers I show it to think it's ugly and wouldn't buy it because of looks alone. If I show it to a techie type, I get the what are the specs? question. Lesson? To the consumer, beauty is only skin deep. ... At the end of the day, there are a hundred mobile phone designs on the market - and for probably this reason. Substantially all mobile phones do the same thing - make receive calls - and I guess appearance is a primary differentiation. If your one consumer in ten finds the Freerunner acceptable (or even, shudder!, attractive) enough to that they'll buy it, then Freerunner surely has a far greater market interest than most mobiles! It's all a matter of taste and I'll bet there are very few phones on the market which would be _universally_ considered non-ugly. I myself and all people I talked to think that that the black one has no style. Also the orange-white looks cool. It is not a blocker for me but would be for an average user who is not Open fan. Fancy color case is a must in the future. Perhaps I didn't make my point very clearly. You are an individual, and there are about 6,500,000,000 other individuals just like you, except with slightly differing tastes. If you take all the other phones on the market then yourself and all people you talk to will also think that almost all of them have no style. This is the nature of individual taste. For each every person there's a mobile phone (painter, musician, design of rug) that is just perfect, and I doubt if yourself and all people you talk to will universally agree on all these things. I, personally, think the stealth Freerunner looks GREAT, but I don't think that's the most important factor. Yes, the majority of mainstream consumers care only about the appearance, but even if 5% of consumers buy according to features then that is a MASSIVE worldwide market. I am pretty sure that FIC didn't get an amateur to design the Freerunner's case. They didn't get a twelve year-old to design it, and they didn't buy an electronics enclosure off-the-shelf from Radio Shack http://www.polycase.com/images/cache/qs-group-category-0-0.jpg. So please don't be offended but saying I don't like it and neither do my friends is totally irrelevant - come back when you've interviewed a hundred different people and they've scored the Freerunner (alongside several other phones) in a range of 1 - 10 on size, colour, design attractiveness, comfort-to-hold and so on. You need to establish with each respondent why they chose their last phone - was price a factor? features? You can probably rule out everyone who got their phone free from their mobile supplier, because the Freerunner's market is those who are prepared to pay a premium for the features they want in a phone. Now interview another 100 people, those who are prepared to pay a premium for the features they want in a smart- or business-phone - do they find the Freerunner attractive or ugly? Do they care? Not wanting to uncover a mound of sleeping proverbial here, but the Freerunner's lack of a camera is probably far more important to the Freerunner's buyers. And since we can't change the colour of the first 1,000 or 10,000 Freerunners, bitching about the colour might as well go the same place as the I want a camera thread - dead buried. Stroller. Please don't feel offended. I have tried to emphasise that it is just (some friends' and) my opinion. I did not state that Openmoko is wrong. I like the business model that individual companies can provide different color and shaped cases. What I stated is that to sell a mass of phones some fancy cases will have to be on the market. Buying a replacement case will not be a problem for users that was the business model for many phones and it worked. I myself prefer hacking software so I will not create any but may buy one if I find the one I like for sale. Regards Schmidt András ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
Mohamed Hazem wrote: Cairo, Egypt. When the neo is finally released, we will try to organize a group in Israel. You are free to join in on that group (assuming shipping a device from Israel to Egypt is both easier and cheaper). Otherwise, try to find people around you who are potentially interested through the arabeyes (http://www.arabeyes.org/) project. Shachar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
Hello, I'm one of the students that will participate in Google Summer of Code under OpenMoko mentoring. The project consist in a implementation of a application that can turn OpenMoko powered devices in a Bluetooth mixed keyboard and mouse. Was recommended by Google do some community brainstorming in this period, I'm asking for some help. I need ideas for the name of the app, suggestion, wishes, etc... I setup a page in the OpenMoko wiki for the project, feel free to add info there: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller In September we will have more ten rocking OpenMoko apps :) Cheers, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Valério, this is going to get a useful project. I just added a point at the Whish List. Greeting Bastian Valerio Valerio schrieb: | Hello, | | I'm one of the students that will participate in Google Summer of Code under OpenMoko mentoring. | The project consist in a implementation of a application that can turn OpenMoko powered devices in a Bluetooth mixed keyboard and mouse. | Was recommended by Google do some community brainstorming in this period, I'm asking for some help. I need ideas for the name of the app, suggestion, wishes, etc... | I setup a page in the OpenMoko wiki for the project, feel free to add info there: | | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller | | In September we will have more ten rocking OpenMoko apps :) | | Cheers, | | -- | Valério Valério | | http://www.valeriovalerio.org | | - | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIE1+6lYiDScJJ+7QRAuXZAJ9VHoT6MQ+c6QBrU8P6qhNlEsnbvwCg7+uv LqHZODlKNO2pp79ehEaJPNw= =ZI7E -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
only a dump question: when i buy from a reseller in germany, the reseller bought about some hundred pieces in ten packs. so will i get the 10-pack-version when i only buy one? the reseller bought only x*10-packs so he should always get the extra. Sebastian steve schrieb: I decided to do something EXTRA for the groups of people who are uniting to execute a group sales. Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets. So if you join a group sales organization and buy with other people, then the 10 pack will include these extras. Sean and I are so happy with the way the community is coming together around this idea of group sales that it just made sense. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
On Saturday 26 April 2008 17:40, Valerio Valerio wrote: Hello, I'm one of the students that will participate in Google Summer of Code under OpenMoko mentoring. The project consist in a implementation of a application that can turn OpenMoko powered devices in a Bluetooth mixed keyboard and mouse. Was recommended by Google do some community brainstorming in this period, I'm asking for some help. I need ideas for the name of the app, suggestion, wishes, etc... I setup a page in the OpenMoko wiki for the project, feel free to add info there: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller In September we will have more ten rocking OpenMoko apps :) Cheers, You might want to take a look at xkbd-bthid... http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/xkbdbthid.php -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can it be used to controll presentations? Andy Powell schrieb: | On Saturday 26 April 2008 17:40, Valerio Valerio wrote: | Hello, | | I'm one of the students that will participate in Google Summer of Code | under OpenMoko mentoring. | The project consist in a implementation of a application that can turn | OpenMoko powered devices in a Bluetooth mixed keyboard and mouse. | Was recommended by Google do some community brainstorming in this period, | I'm asking for some help. I need ideas for the name of the app, suggestion, | wishes, etc... | I setup a page in the OpenMoko wiki for the project, feel free to add info | there: | | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller | | In September we will have more ten rocking OpenMoko apps :) | | Cheers, | | You might want to take a look at xkbd-bthid... | | http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/xkbdbthid.php | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIE2c2lYiDScJJ+7QRAqGtAKC/ekPJMOYSkY/7wB9gMr+UkY0RnwCgoP4s O6wa4R7XAk1/R1Xis2ou8kI= =URJg -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
On 4/26/08, Sebastian Hammerl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only a dump question: when i buy from a reseller in germany, the reseller bought about some hundred pieces in ten packs. so will i get the 10-pack-version when i only buy one? the reseller bought only x*10-packs so he should always get the extra. It is not a dump question! This is something you should ask your reseller about. I am not even sure if the resellers get the extra stuff, since I think it was meant as a special bonus for people that make a group order. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
It would be nice if we can choose between input. Sometimes it is nice to use the touchscreen as a mice, while other times I would prefer the accelerometers (e.g. if you want to use the display to something else at the same time). -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
On 4/26/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice if we can choose between input. Sometimes it is nice to use the touchscreen as a mice, while other times I would prefer the accelerometers (e.g. if you want to use the display to something else at the same time). ... and if you use the accelerometers, you can actually move the device just like if it was a mice:) That would be very cool. Tilting is also an alternative and should be implemented before this regular mice behavor thing, since it is a lot more easy to code. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
On Saturday 26 April 2008 18:32, Bastian Muck wrote: Can it be used to controll presentations? Andy Powell schrieb: | On Saturday 26 April 2008 17:40, Valerio Valerio wrote: | Hello, | | I'm one of the students that will participate in Google Summer of Code | under OpenMoko mentoring. | The project consist in a implementation of a application that can turn | OpenMoko powered devices in a Bluetooth mixed keyboard and mouse. | Was recommended by Google do some community brainstorming in this | period, I'm asking for some help. I need ideas for the name of the app, suggestion, | wishes, etc... | I setup a page in the OpenMoko wiki for the project, feel free to add info | there: | | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller | | In September we will have more ten rocking OpenMoko apps :) | | Cheers, | | You might want to take a look at xkbd-bthid... | | http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/xkbdbthid.php It allows a device to be a BT HID so that could be a keyboard which would allow you to control powerpoint or whatever. Looks like the keyboard layouts are user defineable. -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please don't be offended but saying I don't like it and neither do my friends is totally irrelevant - come back when you've interviewed a hundred different people and they've scored the Freerunner (alongside several other phones) in a range of 1 - 10 on size, colour, design attractiveness, comfort-to-hold and so on. You need to establish with each respondent why they chose their last phone - was price a factor? features? You can probably rule out everyone who got their phone free from their mobile supplier, because the Freerunner's market is those who are prepared to pay a premium for the features they want in a phone. Now interview another 100 people, those who are prepared to pay a premium for the features they want in a smart- or business-phone - do they find the Freerunner attractive or ugly? Do they care? I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with you so I'll just dump my thoughts and you decide.. I have spent the majority of my adult life in hi-tech, and much of that in product marketing. My specialty has been taking engineering driven projects and turning them into actual market driven products. I have come into multi-million dollar projects and bet the engineering team a month's salary that they would sell less than x products. Why? Because they had NO clue what the customers wanted. They just built what THEY wanted. Each time I made that bet, I won. No, I never collected the money but my point was made. When I see a product I like and it doesn't seem to have marketing polish I do a little informal research. I ask various people what they think. These people aren't my friends. Ok, some of them are but not many. No, it isn't a full focus group but I have learned over the years as a professional marketer than I can get a pretty good idea of how a product would sell based on the feedback I get from my little research projects. Just informal chats with people on their likes and dislikes. There was a statement someone made earlier about us techie types forcing complex phones with unwanted features down people's throats. VERY true statement. Unfortunately, the FreeRunner Consumer Edition will have to fight products like the iPhone head to head. Consumers see the bling of the iPhone and have very high expectations, all based on cosmetcis and the wow factor. To make matters even worse, if you can't get the FCE (FreeRunner Consumer Edition) into the phone shops (Orange, TMobile, etc.) it will never sell big numbers. In Europe I think there is a better chance of that happening. In the US, the carriers LOVE their closed, crippled phones. The deck is stacked against Openmoko ever making inroads as a major Treo, Blackberry or iPhone alternative. Maybe this niche market it perfect for them? To me, FreeRunner has the smell of being an engineering driven project. Shawn has put a lot of effort in making it marketing driven but I don't see the conclusive results. (Forgive me Shawn) I do acknowledge at this point that we are NOT targeting consumers. That's ok. But if we all want this product to REALLY succeed, we have to at some point. Who knows, perhaps Shawn has a business case that involves just the niche market of hobbiests and developers such as ourselves. At one point I asked on this list how the design was derived. I received no response from the core team but did get a heresay response that a company approached FIC to make a prototype, which they did. That company then decided not to go forward, Shawn got a hold of the prototype and Openmoko was born. If that story is true, I don't see any overt marketing involved there on FIC's part. Marketing is much more than holding focus groups and creating sales copy. There is competitive analysis, business cases, marketing requirements, negotiating with engineering over the final product, schedule.. and the list goes on. My point is, as I look at things and put the picture together, I see no strong marketing presence in the FreeRunner. Where's the MRD? Where's the focus group? Where's the business case? I'm not saying this to throw dirt on the Openmoko project, just to point out that there is a LOT of work involved on the part of marketing. Most of it we never see and perhaps we shouldn't. Let's look at this another way.. I have spent most of my professional life in Silicon Valley... Home of Apple, Netscape, Google, and Yahoo, Between 1998 and 2001, I received invites almost weekly to interview with some new startup. Sometimes I would accept and go talk to them. In two years, I probably interviewed with 15 companies. I would always insist on talking with the Director of Engineering (or whatever his title was) prior to talking offer, etc. I would always ask the same question. Why do you want to hire a Marketing Manager? The first 14 companies responded with something like Because our venture funding says we have to. If I pressed the issue it would come out
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
Is it some kind of port anyRemote ( http://anyremote.sourceforge.net/ ) to Openmoko? Anyway, I think ssh should be enough. 2008/4/26, Valerio Valerio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I'm one of the students that will participate in Google Summer of Code under OpenMoko mentoring. The project consist in a implementation of a application that can turn OpenMoko powered devices in a Bluetooth mixed keyboard and mouse. Was recommended by Google do some community brainstorming in this period, I'm asking for some help. I need ideas for the name of the app, suggestion, wishes, etc... I setup a page in the OpenMoko wiki for the project, feel free to add info there: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller In September we will have more ten rocking OpenMoko apps :) Cheers, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
2008/4/26 Denis Shulyaka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is it some kind of port anyRemote ( http://anyremote.sourceforge.net/ ) to Openmoko? Anyway, I think ssh should be enough. No, this new app will not need a server, OpenMoko will be seen by the OS like a regular Bluetooth keyboard, and will have some cool functionality's that anyRemote or BluePad(http://bluepad.sourceforge.net) don't have Regards, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org 2008/4/26, Valerio Valerio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I'm one of the students that will participate in Google Summer of Code under OpenMoko mentoring. The project consist in a implementation of a application that can turn OpenMoko powered devices in a Bluetooth mixed keyboard and mouse. Was recommended by Google do some community brainstorming in this period, I'm asking for some help. I need ideas for the name of the app, suggestion, wishes, etc... I setup a page in the OpenMoko wiki for the project, feel free to add info there: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller In September we will have more ten rocking OpenMoko apps :) Cheers, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ARMv4 rating
Hello, the Neo 1973 (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_hardware#Processor) as well as the Neo Freerunner (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Processor) have Processors based on the ARMv4 instruction Set. Apparently one consequence (stated on these pages) is, that Android, requiring ARMv5, will not run on the Neo. (also see http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores lists ARM architecture versions up to ARMv7, which gives the impression that ARMv4 CPUs today might not be state-of-the-art and future-proof any more. One the other side, quite a few devices today seem to be still build upon ARMv4 based CPUs. Are there any OpenMoko compatible smartphone devices with an ARM achitecture v4? (Any plans?) Will OpenMoko and the Neos stick to the ARMv4 architecture in the future? If the next generation Neos use ARMv4 instruction sets, how long will OpenMoko distributions still support ARMv4? (How about Qtopia?) There should be no problem, if the source code is available, right? (BTW, a gentoo-like (http://www.gentoo.org/) distribution, which lets the user compile the packages, should always work.) What are the main (dis)advantages of ARMv4 compared to its successors? Ratings? (Is this comparable to x386, x686, x86_64,...?) Thank you, Martin -- _ Martin Bernreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
Hi David, Thanks for the laugh... clare (who has an orange and white phone, and loves the feel of it.. *and* the hole in the case so it can be tied to me. But I bought it because it is a little linux computer.) On Sun, 27 Apr 2008, David Murrell wrote: I just don't care about the case. The black is cool, and the black/silver that I've seen in various photos looks pretty slick, but on balance, I'm buying a openmoko phone because it's a phone that I can do cool things with. That's why I'm buying it, not because it looks amazing so I can pop it out at a club as some sort of post adolescent pre mating ritual display of shiny objects to attract the opposite sex. If I wanted to do that, I'd get an iPhone. Also, I'd go to clubs. -- Cheers, David Murrell ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ARMv4 rating
On 4/26/08, Martin Bernreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] Are there any OpenMoko compatible smartphone devices with an ARM achitecture v4? (Any plans?) There has been discussions about this on both the kernel and the hardware list and I recommend you to read the hardware mailing list archive. Will OpenMoko and the Neos stick to the ARMv4 architecture in the future? If the next generation Neos use ARMv4 instruction sets, how long will OpenMoko distributions still support ARMv4? You can always compile Openmoko yourself ( ref.: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Cross_Compile and http://gentoo-wiki.com/TinyOS and http://wiki.openmoko.org/ ) and I am sure somebody will provide images for ARMv4 when/if Openmoko at some point should stop precompiling for this (How about Qtopia?) There should be no problem, if the source code is available, right? (BTW, a gentoo-like (http://www.gentoo.org/) distribution, which lets the user compile the packages, should always work.) It is good to see other Gentoo users here:) Maybe we should make an Openmoko ebuild file that builds the complete Openmoko image. (Could enable features with USE flags, e.g. $ echo dev-embedded/openmoko freerunner \ touchscreen bluetooth 802.11 \ /etc/portage/package.use \ emerge openmoko ) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ARMv4 rating
Martin Bernreuther wrote: the Neo 1973 (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_hardware#Processor) as well as the Neo Freerunner (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Processor) have Processors based on the ARMv4 instruction Set. Apparently one consequence (stated on these pages) is, that Android, requiring ARMv5, will not run on the Neo. (also see http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973) Well, saying Android won't run on Neo maybe could be a wrong statement since when Android source code will be available, it will be possible to recompile it for other platforms (maybe after few changes, who knows...), including AMRv4. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
