Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
That was usually called HXD8 IIRC. I wonder about GTA03, too... Ortwin On 5/11/08, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or gta03 was the board for that gps (DASH) thing hence next phone is gta04 JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
Hi, I want to use it with Ubuntu ;) I'm new to the OM community, so I'm wondering if you are the first one who want to build such thing. Isn't there any existing IDE integration for the OM? Lally Singh schrieb: Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK mapping. But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be interested in using an IDE for developing OM? I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. I'm wondering: 1. anyone want to use such a thing? 2. anyone wanna help? I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community open-source fun. I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM IDE
Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just to clarify, NB would run on a desktop computer, and cross compile for OM. I'm imagining a situation not unlike CW for Palm (I had to dev on that a few years ago). It compiles the code and uploads it to the emulator, which you can run the debugger on. Then you upload it to your OM device, and maybe do some more debugging on there. I'll have to see what's required to get the debugger working on both the emulator and the actual dev. It would be nice if the scripts to build and push code off to the emulator and such were written as scripts or small utility programs rather than being part of a Java IDE. Then different interfaces could all use the convenience scripts (e.g. your netbeans IDE, Emacs, folks manually pushing things the hard way). Getting GDB to work on the emulator and device shouldn't be too different; see chapter 17[0][1] of the GDB manual for info on how remote debugging works. It should just be a matter of changing the network address to which the gdb frontend is set to connect. [0] (info (gdb)Remote Debugging) [1] http://sourceware.org/gdb/current/onlinedocs/gdb_18.html#SEC162 -- Corinne: this is why we should have designated bath buddies Corinne: to get places you cant reach because youre slippery and in case you get a lil tooo slippery and crack your head open someone can call the coast guard and save you ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Freerunner...when??
Thanks alot Steve! We may have been under false impressions about when we would have the phone, but at least we were happy in that naïvity! Couldn't you have let us keep our hope? ='( On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 17:59 -0700, steve wrote: You have these stages to go through. Production: produce a pile of phones Test: test a Pile of phones. Pack: pack a pile of phones Ship from factory: ship a pile of phones. Customs: Phones sit in customs. Ship to Disty: phones get a ride in truck. Disty: Phones get prepared for shipment. web shop opens! Not 1-2 weeks, trust me. That said, production will commence before may 16. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:41 AM To: Giorgio M.; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Freerunner...when?? Nobody's 100% sure (not even OM), but it looks like they'll do their first production run in the next few (e.g. 3-5) days. Should be available a little bit after that, say 1-2 weeks? On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Giorgio M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to everybody, i'm new in the community list and I have a simple question: after a lot of time (too many time..), when (finally) Freerunner will be sold exactly?? thanks -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: CONCORSO BEST WESTERN Gioca e vinci! In palio ogni giorno buoni sconto da 50€ per soggiorni in tutto il mondo ed estrazione finale di una Citroen C1 Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=7802d=20080508 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03, GTA04? (was: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date)
Hello, Am Samstag, 10. Mai 2008 18:54 schrieb Mo Abrahams: Also... why is it going from GTA02 to GTA04 ? Won't the next phone be GTA03 (even if it is a developer model like GTA01 was)? looking at the Wiki, there're also speculations about another Neo-like device: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 This seems not to correspond to the GTA04. (Maybe HXD8==GTA03?) Is there a more complete roadmap about the Neo-Productline somewhere? But let's first wait for the GTA02 (Freerunner) to hit the shelves... Bye, Martin -- Martin Bernreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: GTA03, GTA04? (was: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date)
I think i gta03 was the aprils fool thingy.. http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards Tore Dalaker -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne av Martin Bernreuther Sendt: 11. mai 2008 14:01 Til: List for Openmoko community discussion Emne: Re: GTA03, GTA04? (was: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date) Hello, Am Samstag, 10. Mai 2008 18:54 schrieb Mo Abrahams: Also... why is it going from GTA02 to GTA04 ? Won't the next phone be GTA03 (even if it is a developer model like GTA01 was)? looking at the Wiki, there're also speculations about another Neo-like device: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 This seems not to correspond to the GTA04. (Maybe HXD8==GTA03?) Is there a more complete roadmap about the Neo-Productline somewhere? But let's first wait for the GTA02 (Freerunner) to hit the shelves... Bye, Martin -- Martin Bernreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner...when??
steve wrote: web shop opens! Not 1-2 weeks, trust me. So you meant shop opens 2 weeks, isn't it? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Italy User Group
As decided in the Milano GroupSales wiki page [1], I've set up a Google group [2] for all the italian users of the GroupSales wiki page to organize user group sales and discuss about local issues. Bye! [1] http://tinyurl.com/5q542u [2] http://tinyurl.com/5jc8ws -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Freerunner...when??
Yes, A Sunday preview of my Monday update. mass Pro will start before may16. So phones will be built, then tested, then shipped. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 9:24 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Freerunner...when?? steve wrote: web shop opens! Not 1-2 weeks, trust me. So you meant shop opens 2 weeks, isn't it? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
property and warranty for 10packs
Hi, I'm subscribed in an italian GroupSale and we was baffled about this two points: there will be a sales check and a warranty certificate for any buyer or only the delegate of the groupsale will receive it? my english isn't very well, sorry... -- Pietro Isotti homepage: http://pietroisotti.homelinux.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
Hi all, After fix some problems, I had put the newest meta toolchain to downloads.openmoko.org. If you are developing a single application, you can use meta-toolchain to build your onw application. please take a look of this Page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Best Regards, -Julian signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Italy User Group
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: As decided in the Milano GroupSales wiki page [1], I've set up a Google group [2] for all the italian users of the GroupSales wiki page to organize user group sales and discuss about local issues. Bye! [1] http://tinyurl.com/5q542u [2] http://tinyurl.com/5jc8ws I forgot to mention the email address you can use to write to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;) Bye! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: questions for steve regarding group purchases
Debug boards AFAIK are being built and will be ready at launch. No debug 10 pack. there marketing said NO. ha! There may be an advantage to order a 10 pack + plus debug. it will proably depend on your region. YMMV. -Original Message- From: Paul Jimenez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:25 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases steve wrote: Mass Pro is slated to start between may9 and may 16. Steve's rule say add a week. Then you got test, then you shipping. On Monday ( or maybe Sunday night for my EU friends ) I will do an update. Could you also include status of debug boards? Will they go on sale at the same time as the phones? Will there be debug-board 10-packs? (I don't expect so, but it's possible!) If I'm getting a phone via a group order, is there any advantage to getting a debug board via the same order, or should I just order it on my own? Answers can wait until your update, bu I wanted to get the questions out there. Thanks again for keeping us so well informed! --pj ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
steves favorite question (RE: Do we REALLY need a phone?)
I like questions like this. Questions like this deconstruct what we know, reorder what we have lazily come to accept, restructure what we want and need and will buy. remixing the phone as we know it. what new thing will take its place? making calls isnt the killer app. freeing the phone and freeing the network is. So think about that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ortwin Regel Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:37 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Do we REALLY need a phone? The problem with small handheld devices is that most of the time it's cheaper to put everything into the device than to create variants. Modularity causes problems with design and space and is also expensive. I also still need a GSM modem and will for a few years. Sure, I'd like to use WLAN, Bluetooth and UMTS whenever possible but these networks don't cover the whole country / most of the planet. When there is no other network, I need GSM to get onto the internet, even if it's slow. Ortwin On 4/20/08, Stefano Cavallari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (sorry for the length of this message) I was thinking today about how the phone system is quite dead without no one noticing it. We are paying unreasonable tariffs for just sending data which happens to be voice. The whole motivation behind having a number is no longer existent as with portability and roaming you don't do switching anymore. So you don't want to access the telephone network, you want to access the Internet, then do whatever you want from there. Yes in the meantime you may still want to do normal calls but the focus is in doing VoIP and IM. Because of this I think the next moko should be designed around this and be mainly a handheld. With no included GSM module so you can focus in the interesting part of the product and don't bet on the next mainstream communication technology (mobile wimax? UMTS? EDGE? CDMA something?) and just provide the one you are sure they will be supported for much time (wifi, bluetooth). Then you just provide some module to access the chosen network, like a SDIO card (probably with a big external part like most wifi ones). I was thinking of a beast like a bluetooth UMTS dongle. There are already USB UMTS dongle right now which emulates a serial port. So it's a no brainer to take an existing design, strip the usb-serial chip and put a bluetooth-serial chip and a battery (the usual nokia one which most GPS and the Neo uses). This gives the advantage of not having a powerful antenna attached to the ear (when talking) or anyway near you (when messaging, browsing). You can put it near a window and get better signal, and so on. Of course some may find the SDIO more appealing or not. Anyway if you keep this component separated you let the user choose whether they really need GSM, you can develop the hardware WAY faster and most important, you don't have to wait for the comm. modules to be functional to start selling, and if a comm. module happens to be a total market/design/whatever failure you still have the main product (the handheld) selling well. Just my (long) 2 ¢ -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases
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For the customer/community member paypal should not be a risk. For OM it
is in fact a risk cause of possible misuse of the customer protection.
In a german journal (i think the best it journal) there was a big
article about the potential misuse of the customer protection. I would
use palpal, althougth I don't really like paypal, cause I don't have any
credit card.
I think the OM team should keep this in mind.
Greetings Bastian
steve schrieb:
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| I’m not sure about the paypal. A long while back when I suggested
paypal there was a backlash from
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| concerned people who thought that paypal was evil because it was
American. I’ll check on that.
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| WRT to one shipment, if you order a 10 pack and debug board I would
be surprised it was split into two
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Shawn
| *Sent:* Friday, May 09, 2008 6:24 AM
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| Hi steve,
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| thanks for the updates. I have a few additional questions on group
purchase:
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| Can we pay the group payment via paypal?
| If a member of our group wants to purchase the debug board, can we
order that at the same time (and have it shipped together), or should he
order that on his own?
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| Thanks!
| . . .shawn
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| - Original Message
| From: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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| The 10 pack will have to be ordered by one person. It will ship to that
| persons location.
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| Now, how will people arrange to do this? I thought long and hard about
this.
| And then I realized that some people will find one way, one guy pays and
| others promise to pay him. Some people will find another way, half up
front
| and half on delivery. Some people will do contracts. Some people will just
| choose to do a single phone.
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| Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:50 PM
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| steve, what methods are being considered by openmoko for group purchasing?
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| most of us do now know the other members of a group and would like
| some security that the group organised is not able to run off with the
| money - are openmoko willing to engage in purchases via escrow agents?
| or is it a case of 'sort it our amongst yourselves, all we want is a c
| card number or paypal account'? if the latter is the case, is there
| anything/anyone openmoko or anyone else here can recommend for making
| sure things go smoothly?
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| thanks
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Funny Dialer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I talked to some friends and one of them said: My mom (73 years old) would use a mobile phone if it had a dial plate! First we laughed about this, but in fact i think its a funny idea. I guess it shouldn't be a big deal to make a theme, which could do this, is it? Greetings Bastian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIJ5t3lYiDScJJ+7QRAmZxAKD+nth2x3zwD4Peechq8ZFqG9JgjQCcCGhi JQUYgi8iS6zPR6/ZoCo0G0Y= =PfDo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funny Dialer
I'm assuming you mean what we call a rotary phone in the US? I'm working on one... Here is a screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cibomahto/2458507254/ It's just a mock-up program at the moment though, no hooks to the actual dialer. Cheers, Matt Bastian Muck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I talked to some friends and one of them said: My mom (73 years old) would use a mobile phone if it had a dial plate! First we laughed about this, but in fact i think its a funny idea. I guess it shouldn't be a big deal to make a theme, which could do this, is it? Greetings Bastian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIJ5t3lYiDScJJ+7QRAmZxAKD+nth2x3zwD4Peechq8ZFqG9JgjQCcCGhi JQUYgi8iS6zPR6/ZoCo0G0Y= =PfDo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for stable, automated build process
Dear all: After one weeks great work. Julien had release the new toolchain release. please take a look of this Page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Bobby Martin ??: From: Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I did mention when I jumped in that I was talking about a slightly different problem than what you seem to be trying to solve. That said... Storing your MD5s will let you know *if* you are repeating a build. It will not (reasonably) let you repeat a build. You completely misunderstood what I said. Storing the file name, URL *and* its MD5 lets you be sure you are able to reproduce the build. And it's the only way you can (well, we actually use SHA's and RMD's in addition to MD5's). If I misunderstood it, I still do. MD5 absolutely will not help you reproduce a build. It will only help you verify that your procedure (whatever it is) retrieved the same files. It won't help you find the correct file if the file you got was wrong. It does not guarantee to build *exactly* the same binary, but you can *never ever* make that guarantee in general because of changes to shared libraries (in the Java world you have a greater chance, but even then, even the smallest point upgrade to the JDK could in theory change the generated .class files), so there is really no point whatever using MD5's on generated binaries. None. I have no idea why Hudson bothers, if that's what it's using them for. You need some way of identifying the file you want to build *to the revision control system* (so you can download that version) if you want repeatable builds. In the case I'm talking about - where there are about 5,000 different external programs from about 2,500 different sources - you don't even think about going to the revision control system (6 or 8 different services over 2,000 different hosts). You can ONLY think in terms of ftp/http download of version-numbered tarballs. Period. No, you MOSTLY think in terms of ftp/http download. For the projects on which you're doing work (at least) you absolutely go to the revision control system. Are we talking about the same thing? I'm talking about a repeatable build so I can do development work, modifying existing code. To do that, you'd better work with the revision control system. Even if you don't have submit access (which the vast majority of devs probably shouldn't have), in some cases you have a RCS that supports creating smart diffs that you can send to someone to review submit trivially (e.g. git or darcs) and in other cases you almost certainly want to submit a patch from the latest possible revision. MD5s sound nice to verify, if you don't trust your revision control system (or perhaps the admins ;-) See above for why revision control is completely irrelevant to us. Who is 'us'? Bobby -- If it doesn't make you smile, you're doing something wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funny Dialer
On 12 May 2008, at 03:03, Matt Mets wrote: I'm assuming you mean what we call a rotary phone in the US? I'm working on one... Here is a screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cibomahto/2458507254/ :DDD Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
