Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
Hello ; For information, I have the same problem in France with a SIM card provided by Orange three months ago. My Freerunner is running correctly with old Orange's SIM card. steve a écrit : Since germany is an important market for us, Perhaps we should create a page on the wiki Listing the carriers in Germany and the success/no success users have had in making Old SIMs versus new SIMS work. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser Zoom?
Al Johnson schrieb: On Saturday 12 July 2008, Michael Kluge wrote: Al Johnson schrieb: On Saturday 12 July 2008, Michael Kluge wrote: Brian C schrieb: I can't figure out how to zoom in/out while using the web browser (and/or change the font size). Is this functionality not yet coded or am I missing something? Right now the fonts are too big and I see far too little of the page for it to be really usable. Brian Hi Brian, try to compile and install Minimo. It has zoom (but never hides the keyboard). I've tried that using mokomakefile: make build-package-minimo It always fails during config. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? No. How should I without an error message ;) I know ;-) I would have posted it, but was in the middle of another build. That's finished now so I've tried again with the same result - see below. Do you have the toolchain installed? I usually do . setup-env cd build bitbake minimo That works if 'make openmoko-devel-image' did not fail (usually it does not). Then you have an ipk somewhere. Just copy it over (as well as the lib that is beeing build as depency). And do an opkg install ... I think I could also put my two ipk files somewhere. I get exactly the same result doing that as 'make build-package-minimo' - error below. The toolchain is fine I think. I am running an image I built, and have built individual packages including dillo and the matchbox keyboard. Those work fine, and I have repo configs so opkg can pull the deps in over the network. I tried a clean build, but got the same result again. ERROR: function do_compile failed ERROR: log data follows (/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/temp/log.do_compile.6690) | NOTE: make -j 4 -f client.mk build | make | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla' | make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1. Add `+' to parent make rule. | rm -f -rf ./dist/sdk | rm -f -rf ./dist/include | /usr/bin/make -C config export | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config' | /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/perl -I. ./bdate.pl build_number | /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config/nsinstall -R -m 644 nsBuildID.h ../mozilla-config.h ./nsStaticComponents.h ../dist/include | rm -f ../config/final-link-comps ../config/final-link-libs ../config/final-link-comp-names | rm -f ../dist/bin/chrome/chromelist.txt | /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config/nsinstall -t -m 644 nsBuildID.h ../mozilla-config.h ./nsStaticComponents.h ../dist/sdk/include | /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config/nsinstall: cannot access nsBuildID.h: Invalid argument | make[2]: *** [export] Error 1 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla/config' | make[1]: *** [default] Error 2 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/mozilla' | make: *** [build] Error 2 | FATAL: oe_runmake failed NOTE: Task failed: /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0/temp/log.do_compile.6690 NOTE: package minimo-1_0.02+cvs20070626-r0: task do_compile: failed Hmm. No idea. Looks like the package is broken? Is the nsBuildID.h there? I could not find one. OK, I just found that Arne uploaded its ipk's already :) Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Howto hide keyboard (Was: Re: minimo (browser on freerunner))
arne anka schrieb: i just built minimo and cellwriter for the freerunner (gta02), which went surprisingly well ... make build-package-minimo and make build-package-cellwriter the hardes part was finding the packages afterwards. i put them into two tar-balls, *dbg, *-dev, *-doc and the runtime one. links see below. how cellwriter is supposed to replace the i don't know and with minimo there's always 1/3 of the screen occupied by the keyboard (if somebody knows how to make that more flexible, ie the keyboard popping up when necessary, let me know). for ipk see http://www.ginguppin.de/node/16 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I just found this: http://japiblog.dddgames.com/?p=15 I'll give matchbox-applet-inputmanager a chance ... Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Howto hide keyboard (Re: minimo (browser on freerunner))
arne anka schrieb: with minimo there's always 1/3 of the screen occupied by the keyboard (if somebody knows how to make that more flexible, ie the keyboard popping up when necessary, let me know). for ipk see http://www.ginguppin.de/node/16 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I just found this: http://japiblog.dddgames.com/?p=15 matchbox-applet-inputmanager might be able to help here. I give it a try. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Howto hide keyboard (Was: Re: minimo (browser on freerunner))
Michael Kluge schrieb: arne anka schrieb: i just built minimo and cellwriter for the freerunner (gta02), which went surprisingly well ... make build-package-minimo and make build-package-cellwriter the hardes part was finding the packages afterwards. i put them into two tar-balls, *dbg, *-dev, *-doc and the runtime one. links see below. how cellwriter is supposed to replace the i don't know and with minimo there's always 1/3 of the screen occupied by the keyboard (if somebody knows how to make that more flexible, ie the keyboard popping up when necessary, let me know). for ipk see http://www.ginguppin.de/node/16 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I just found this: http://japiblog.dddgames.com/?p=15 I'll give matchbox-applet-inputmanager a chance ... Here is the quick and dirty process for manually showing and hiding the keyboard. - kill the matchbox-keyboard process - (install and) start matchbox-applet-inputmanager - run minimo TODO would be a nicer icon in the applet bar (should be easy) and and to put this into the matchbox config. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Howto hide keyboard (Was: Re: minimo (browser on freerunner))
Michael Kluge schrieb: Michael Kluge schrieb: arne anka schrieb: i just built minimo and cellwriter for the freerunner (gta02), which went surprisingly well ... make build-package-minimo and make build-package-cellwriter the hardes part was finding the packages afterwards. i put them into two tar-balls, *dbg, *-dev, *-doc and the runtime one. links see below. how cellwriter is supposed to replace the i don't know and with minimo there's always 1/3 of the screen occupied by the keyboard (if somebody knows how to make that more flexible, ie the keyboard popping up when necessary, let me know). for ipk see http://www.ginguppin.de/node/16 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I just found this: http://japiblog.dddgames.com/?p=15 I'll give matchbox-applet-inputmanager a chance ... Here is the quick and dirty process for manually showing and hiding the keyboard. - kill the matchbox-keyboard process - (install and) start matchbox-applet-inputmanager - run minimo TODO would be a nicer icon in the applet bar (should be easy) and and to put this into the matchbox config. Not so funny. Works exactly once and ends afterwards with: matchbox-keyboa defunct Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
there is some talk about this on the devel-list: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003560.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003562.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003563.html On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Randy S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious to know if anyone is using their FR as a phone. Mine has such poor audio quality, it is unfortunately useless as a phone. The audio I hear is clear but at a very low volume; the other person hears my voice very distorted and with a buzz. I am on T-Mobile in Texas, USA. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: minimo (browser on freerunner)
arne anka wrote: i just built minimo and cellwriter for the freerunner (gta02), which went surprisingly well ... for ipk see http://www.ginguppin.de/node/16 Thanks very much for the .ipk, which installed fine for me. However, I have not yet been to an https secure site that hasn't crashed minimo. Is this expected? How might I capture more log info to figure out what's happening? Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS
Ole Kliemann wrote: Funny... my experience has been completely contrary to this. When I first tried GPS, it got a fix within minutes at the open window. I then installed gpsdrive and did some other stuff. I did not get a fix anymore. I undid the software changes by starting from a fresh reflash. But i never got a fix again. Today I tried outside 15min with antenna faced skywards. agpsui signal strength display did not show any activity. Don't know it made it work the very first time. I had a similar experience with my Freerunner. I initially installed only gpsd and tangogps. I reliably got a fix within about 7 minutes at least half a dozen times. It never failed completely. Then I installed and ran openmoko-agpsui. My unit has not managed to sync up with even a single satellite since then, dispite my sitting around with it for several hours in an open area. In desperation, I re-flashed the kernel and rootfs, and again installed only gpsd and tangogps for GPS software. No joy. The GPS init now seems completely nonfunctional. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS issue
Yes, in the agps diagnostic tool under signal strength, if I put the free runner out doors on a table standing so its facing up the signal strength typically on sats high in the sky is around 28-30. Obviously its weaker for those sats lower in the sky. It was a fairly clear day. Also there is a fair bit of drift on my position. Using the plot feature in agps it looks like I'm walking all over my garden while the gta02 is sat on the table at times. If there are any specific tests you want me to do let me know. Regards, Jonathan Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote: Hi Jonathan- Could you confirm that the strongest signal of the GPS still under 35 (the C/N ratio)? Thanks, Tony Tu (Neng-Yu Tu) Openmoko, Inc. Support Team. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Hi Jim, thanks for testing! Indeed, I dont seem to wait for the popup window to be mapped before drawing onto it. This is a bug (tm) of type race condition. (The Freerunner has a faster CPU, and the bug gets visible :-) Bug is identified, will post a fix later today... If you want to fine tune the color scheme, that can be changed quite easily without recompiling the keyboard. The XML keyboard definition files contain a block similar to this: theme font=#ff6600 border=#44 key=#00 keyup=#33 keydown=#22 background=#11/ the numbers are HEX encoded RGB triplets, as is used commonly on the web to encode colors. With a color picker tool and a text editor you can change the colors to match your preference. If you have other ideas on how to improve the usability of the keyboard on Freerunner, please let me know. : ) Cheers, Thomas -- Excercise 17: If the human brain was simple enough for us to understand we'd be so simple we couldn't understand. Prove this by induction. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
Is there still hope this is not a hardware bug? On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan Spooner wrote: I've been playing with my GPS and finally got a fix using agps diag tool. I stood the gta02 up on my garden table using a pop bottle :-) I think bottom line the gta02 has a poor antenna in fact the first time I got a fix I did so at the point I rested my free stylus on top of the gta02! Once I had a fix I used the signal strength screen in the agps diag tool and its then plain to see the signal is precarious at best with an average strength of around 28 which is greatly affected by orientation and nearby objects from hands, stylus, people etc pretty much what you'd expect in a device thats receiving a very weak signal except we know the say system is working so that only leaves the gta02 internal antenna as the problem. Thoughts? Jon I found exactly the same thing, the unit has to be stationary for a while, you need to swizzle it around its vertical axis until you get the maximum signal strength, and then leave it for 10 mins to get a fix. It must not be touched or moved during that time. It is pretty impractical for a mobile device though to do that. Lets hope some of the techniques to preload data will help this. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup
I would love some help with my getting started blog. There are many how-tos on the wiki but they need to be tested and verified before I'll put them on the gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com. In a different thread we've discussed the quality of our wiki. Cleaning up the wiki will provide me a much better starting point for the how-tos. steve wrote: There is a getting started page in the wiki and michael shiloh has a getting started blog. Micheal? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sameer Verma Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:50 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup Vijay Vaidyanathan wrote: Hi ... I have a shiny new FreeRunner that I am planning to play with over the weekend, but I find the information on the Wiki a little hard to get started with. I've been developing on Unix since the 80's and comfortable enough to find my way around Linux reasonably well, but I find I could definitely use a little Getting Started help. So, is there any interest in meeting up over the next couple of weeks in the San Francisco Bay Area? If so, please let us know by editing this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SFBayAreaGetStarted The idea would be to: (i) Spread the knowledge around (ii) Get some documentation going (I'm happy to document whatever I pick up) (iii) Meet a few other people who are nearly as brilliant and forward thinking as yourself! Since I have a selfish motive to get this going, I'd be happy to do the organizational legwork if needed :-) - VV -- -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Vijay, You may want to post on some Linux User Groups in the SF bay area (SVLUG http://www.svlug.org/, SF-LUG http://www.sf-lug.org/, BALUG http://www.balug.org/, EBLUG http://www.eblug.org/, NBLUG http://www.nblug.org/, etc.) to get their involvement. You may even get an invitation to present at one of their meetings. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util problems
Did you try that as root? dfu-util should complain about not being able to claim the usb device (or similar...) if you're required to be root. -Marcel Am Sonntag 13 Juli 2008 07:10:29 schrieb joseph schlesinger: I haven't been able to flash my FR after booting either into NAND or NOR. I can ssh into the phone via USB per the wiki instructions, but dfu-util does not find the phone. dfu-util --list returns. Mounting the usbfs as suggested in the instructions for the Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util doesn't help either. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
Yes, there is still hope. The current software drivers do not save any state between GPS locks, so the GPS device is needlessly re-downloading information from the satellites each time it turns on. Downloading the data seems to require a much better/more consistent signal than calculating the phone's current position. It sounds like a (partial?) fix is in the works. There were some links to scripts posted to this mailing list a few days ago, but they came with copyright restrictions that prevent redistribution... My phone sometimes takes 10 minutes to get a fix, but can track its current position from a car seat (not just near the window), and indoors in my pocket. It's good enough for in-car navigation, and for use as a speedometer, though with a couple of seconds delay added in. Also, I see a few meters of jitter when the device is not moving. After losing signal in a tunnel for 15-30 seconds, it restored its fix immediately after I left the tunnel. Not counting the time to get the initial lock, this behavior is better than what I've seen from some inexpensive name brand gps devices, suggesting the antenna is good enough, assuming saving and restoring the chip's state works. -Rusty Yorick Moko wrote: Is there still hope this is not a hardware bug? On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan Spooner wrote: I've been playing with my GPS and finally got a fix using agps diag tool. I stood the gta02 up on my garden table using a pop bottle :-) I think bottom line the gta02 has a poor antenna in fact the first time I got a fix I did so at the point I rested my free stylus on top of the gta02! Once I had a fix I used the signal strength screen in the agps diag tool and its then plain to see the signal is precarious at best with an average strength of around 28 which is greatly affected by orientation and nearby objects from hands, stylus, people etc pretty much what you'd expect in a device thats receiving a very weak signal except we know the say system is working so that only leaves the gta02 internal antenna as the problem. Thoughts? Jon I found exactly the same thing, the unit has to be stationary for a while, you need to swizzle it around its vertical axis until you get the maximum signal strength, and then leave it for 10 mins to get a fix. It must not be touched or moved during that time. It is pretty impractical for a mobile device though to do that. Lets hope some of the techniques to preload data will help this. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 03:48:14AM -0700, Russell Sears wrote: Yes, there is still hope. The current software drivers do not save any state between GPS locks, so the GPS device is needlessly re-downloading information from the satellites each time it turns on. Downloading the data seems to require a much better/more consistent signal than calculating the phone's current position. It sounds like a (partial?) fix is in the works. There were some links to scripts posted to this mailing list a few days ago, but they came with copyright restrictions that prevent redistribution... My phone sometimes takes 10 minutes to get a fix, but can track its current position from a car seat (not just near the window), and indoors in my pocket. It's good enough for in-car navigation, and for use as a speedometer, though with a couple of seconds delay added in. Also, I see a few meters of jitter when the device is not moving. After losing signal in a tunnel for 15-30 seconds, it restored its fix immediately after I left the tunnel. Not counting the time to get the initial lock, this behavior is better than what I've seen from some inexpensive name brand gps devices, suggesting the antenna is good enough, assuming saving and restoring the chip's state works. I read about this idea in the wiki and posted a comment there. Here's what I wrote. I tested the FR outside with internal antenna and did not see a single sat for 15min. With external antenna I have a TTFS of 33s. If I plug out the external after the fix is stable, it almost instantly gets lost. I still see one to three sats but get no fix. So apparently the information obtain through the external antenna is not enough to assist the internal antenna in getting a fix. Orbit and positon data should be known to the device by then? If you download this data from the internet or recalculate it locally, in what way would this be superior to what I tested? pgpIpUipwT2K1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
su, 2008-07-13 kello 03:48 -0700, Russell Sears kirjoitti: The current software drivers do not save any state between GPS locks, so the GPS device is needlessly re-downloading information from the satellites each time it turns on. Downloading the data seems to require a much better/more consistent signal than calculating the phone's current position. Doesn't just seem to, it does need a better signal. And yeah, being able to restore that data and/or get it from the network should provide much quicker first fixes. From #openmoko: DocCod cold start: like 10 minutes for a fix DocCod agps data feeded immediately after start: fix in 1 minute or less DocCod between 2 tall buildings, btw Anyway, as for the GPS problems some are having, I got a fix relatively quickly on a phone another guy had problems with from the first Finnish group batch. The difference mostly that he used some of the frontends and I grepped the device node directly. So there might've been some software glitches at work with eg. gsmd getting confused at the chip output (which includes large amounts of those spurious error messages and stuff). (Of course, it _might_ have been a flaky but not consistently faulty connection too; we'll keep an eye on the device if it starts acting up again.) So anyone who's having GPS problems should probably make sure it's hardware by checking out the GPS chip output at the lowest level by doing something like: echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron grep GPGGA /dev/ttySAC1 And seeing if there'll be fix-looking data within, say, 10 minutes to be sure, on a decent exposure of the sky. (You can do that remotely in a screen session and then attach to it with screen -dr from the OpenMoko terminal to make it easier to type it in but still get the output from the Neo.) See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS on what a fix looks like. Hope this helps someone. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Howto hide keyboard (Was: Re: minimo (browser on freerunner))
some hours ago someone already posted how to add the keyboard toggle: matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup \ --end-applets openmoko-panel-clock,keyboard,openmoko-panel-battery,openmoko-panel-gsm,openmoko-panel-gps,openmoko-panel-usb,openmoko-p anel-bt,openmoko-panel-memory,openmoko-panel-wifi --titlebar http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021296.html after rebooting or restarting X in the upper right corner there's a keyboard icon ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: minimo (browser on freerunner)
Thanks very much for the .ipk, which installed fine for me. However, I have not yet been to an https secure site that hasn't crashed minimo. Is this expected? How might I capture more log info to figure out what's happening? dunno. i am in no way affiliated with minimo, just tried to build it, and after success share it. bear in mind that according to the package name the code is over a year old. don't know yet how to get newer stuff into the bit bakery, pidgin f ex keeps crashing while displaying/accepting a certificate and it's 2.2.1 which is superseded be 2.4.3 anyway. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Howto hide keyboard (Was: Re: minimo (browser on freerunner))
Ups. Missed that. Looks good. Works :) Michael arne anka schrieb: some hours ago someone already posted how to add the keyboard toggle: matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup \ --end-applets openmoko-panel-clock,keyboard,openmoko-panel-battery,openmoko-panel-gsm,openmoko-panel-gps,openmoko-panel-usb,openmoko-p anel-bt,openmoko-panel-memory,openmoko-panel-wifi --titlebar http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021296.html after rebooting or restarting X in the upper right corner there's a keyboard icon ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
MokSec - The Security Framework
This mail was posted on the devel list (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003594.html). Thought it would interest a lot of people who are not subscribed to that list: Hi Guys, a few months ago we have planned to improve the security of our beloved Neo, after we have read about desires of the community regarding to the security issue. And here we are. Today I will present you our project MokSec. What is MokSec? === MokSec is framework which target is to improve the security of the mobile devices which are based on OpenMoko (and other frameworks which are running on Neos) What is our main focus at the moment? = The main focus is the encryption over GSM. This is very complicated issue and for this we searching developer which are willing to work with us on this interesting project. What are the other components? == At the moment we only working on a phone firewall, which will be blocking/accepting incoming calls. Later one we will add other projects or developer will be able to add their projects. Were you can find more informations? http://moksec.networld.to : The main page http://moko.networld.to : The git repositories http://networld.to/mailman/listinfo/moksec-public : The mailinglist We hope that a lot of people will work with us on the security issue. Happy programming Alex Oberhauser ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MokSec - The Security Framework
It would be more important to not run everything as root I think Yorick Moko wrote: This mail was posted on the devel list (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003594.html). Thought it would interest a lot of people who are not subscribed to that list: Hi Guys, a few months ago we have planned to improve the security of our beloved Neo, after we have read about desires of the community regarding to the security issue. And here we are. Today I will present you our project MokSec. What is MokSec? === MokSec is framework which target is to improve the security of the mobile devices which are based on OpenMoko (and other frameworks which are running on Neos) What is our main focus at the moment? = The main focus is the encryption over GSM. This is very complicated issue and for this we searching developer which are willing to work with us on this interesting project. What are the other components? == At the moment we only working on a phone firewall, which will be blocking/accepting incoming calls. Later one we will add other projects or developer will be able to add their projects. Were you can find more informations? http://moksec.networld.to : The main page http://moko.networld.to : The git repositories http://networld.to/mailman/listinfo/moksec-public : The mailinglist We hope that a lot of people will work with us on the security issue. Happy programming Alex Oberhauser ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to remove matchbox-keyboard and restore multitap-pad?
Do you know what may be the problem with multitap-pad not showing up? i am not sure if the stack (2007.2) is able to manage two or more input methods at all. matchbox-input-manager may be a help -- but i never did test it and there's no sufficient description what exactly the package does. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MokSec - The Security Framework
Hi, this is perhaps not directly in the scope of your project but perhaps it inspires someones else: A spam filter for SMS. :) Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany
Damn, this community rules! smurfy - phil schrieb: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/om-homezone/ I will throw this into OpenEmbedded. :) Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Konstantin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there is: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards FWIW, In the future, I wish (as a user of Openmoko devices (currently 1973 and FreeRunner)) to install any number of (available) keyboards at the same time. Then I can change keyboards (using an extra key on the keyboard perhaps? Or a menu choice?) whenever I like. That would be nice. Here http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2004/11/text_input_meth.html is an interesting article on alternative input methods, towards the end are some S/W based on screen keyboard alternatives. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany
Hi. smurfy - phil schrieb: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/om-homezone/ Could you please distribute the sources in the files section? Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Jim Morris wrote: Is this one available anywhere? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method It looks pretty useable to me, at least I could see the keys. I'd like to as this too... Where is that keyboard? Is there any old code to be used (maybe after an update)? Well... I got it! :) SVN deletes, but it doesn't forget the old code, so you can get it taking the last revision available (r1471) as I've written in this wiki section: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method#Getting_this_keyboard Since I've no openmoko hardware in my pockets yet, I've compiled it in my linux pc and it works well! Anyone here would like to continue its development? :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification: images vs upgrade
hope this helps not totally sure :-) flashing and doing opkg update opkg upgrade are basically interchangeable, right? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
there seems to be no use of the workarounds/fixes discussed earlier -- does anybody use the ubx-tool or whatever was discussed to feed informations to the u-blox on startup, thus significantly decreasing ttff? http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/browser/developers/alphaone/u-blox there were some pretty promising reports for those attempts (can't find them right now) -- and standing hours on a meadow in the faint hope of a fix does not really sound appealing to me ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification: images vs upgrade
Hello On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 03:34:59PM +0200, arne anka wrote: hope this helps not totally sure :-) flashing and doing opkg update opkg upgrade are basically interchangeable, right? If I understand it correctly, no. If you upgrade, you get new versions of each installed package. If you flash, you lose all software you installed ”over“ the basic system. But you can flash it even if the system does not boot. -- Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of HDDs. Michal 'vorner' Vaner pgpPUIAGzWgxz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable? 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification: images vs upgrade
If I understand it correctly, no. If you upgrade, you get new versions of each installed package. If you flash, you lose all software you installed ”over“ the basic system. let's forget about additional packages or changed settings for the moment. a new image should contain newer versions of packages than the images before, shouldn't it? so in respect to the packages installed by default flashing a new image should be equivalent to doing update upgrade, right? i still try to figure out whether i need to flash or update upgrade does the same for me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
yes, i triedbut it went nothing, beside the flashing from the AUX-button all 5 sec. combined with a strange trrr out from the speaker.. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 15:48 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable? 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR- Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util problems
Running it as root does not work, nor does passing a --device parameter. I should mention that I've also tried a number of different linux host machines and usb ports on each. Could it be a defective phone? Marcel wrote: Did you try that as root? dfu-util should complain about not being able to claim the usb device (or similar...) if you're required to be root. -Marcel Am Sonntag 13 Juli 2008 07:10:29 schrieb joseph schlesinger: I haven't been able to flash my FR after booting either into NAND or NOR. I can ssh into the phone via USB per the wiki instructions, but dfu-util does not find the phone. dfu-util --list returns. Mounting the usbfs as suggested in the instructions for the Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util doesn't help either. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Once I had to use the 230V charger instead of the normal pc-cable to get it booting again, maybe it can suck more energy from that. (Although it reports getting 500mAh from usb, too.) -Marcel Am Sonntag 13 Juli 2008 15:48:53 schrieb Francesco Cat: have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable? 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util problems
On Sunday 13 July 2008, joseph schlesinger wrote: Running it as root does not work, nor does passing a --device parameter. I should mention that I've also tried a number of different linux host machines and usb ports on each. Could it be a defective phone? This is what I need to run as root and the everything works fine: root(eno,freerunner)# cat upom #!/bin/sh /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 /bin/echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -F iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.200 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.2.0/24 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+ -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0 -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+ -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0 -j ACCEPT iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 root(eno,freerunner)# courtesy I-dont-remember Eildert -- Eildert Groeneveld === Institute of Farm Animal Genetics Mariensee 31535 Neustadt Germany Tel : (+49)(0)5034 871155 Fax : (+49)(0)5034 871239 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://vce.tzv.fal.de/index.pl http://www.tzv.fal.de/~eg/ http://apiis.tzv.fal.de/index.pl === ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve tried the 230V charger and the pc-cable too... Is there any institution for the debug board used with freerunner? Or is it the same as for neo 1973; http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v3 Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 16:22 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down Once I had to use the 230V charger instead of the normal pc-cable to get it booting again, maybe it can suck more energy from that. (Although it reports getting 500mAh from usb, too.) -Marcel Am Sonntag 13 Juli 2008 15:48:53 schrieb Francesco Cat: have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable? 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
Sean toldme this already existed somewhere -Original Message- From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:55 AM To: steve Cc: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'; Brenda Wang Subject: Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards? Brenda, I presume you will do this as the wiki belongs to you, but if you can't let me know and I'll do it. Let me know right away. Michael steve wrote: Michael and Brenda. I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers have issues, a table by country by carrier. This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and for advising people prior to purchase. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *atweb *Sent:* Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:40 AM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards? I´ve an o2-SIM from the time of Viag-Interkom in my Freerunner with the Code 1001710251761MC on the Chip-Side. I can perfectly phone an do SMS with it. cu Markus Jeffrey Ratcliffe schrieb: 2008/7/8 Jeffrey Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: My German Blau SIM (On the back it says, amongst other things, 3V - does that mean volts?) does NOT work on my new GTA02, despite what is on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers One colleague's Dutch Orange SIM did work, but two other German Vodafone SIMs did not. One German and one Dutch T-Mobile SIM did not work, but a German Debitel (T-Mobile reseller) did. Nor did a 1 year old German O2 SIM. Tried 4 more German SIMs - none of the them worked: D2 Mannesmann (7 years old) Vodafone O2 T-D1 (T-Mobile) I don't see any pattern. Who has a German SIM working in their FR? Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve put right now the freerunner into my PC. Now, I`ll wait for 1 h. and check it again My usb-port should supply 500 mAh, cuz in the past, I`ve charged my freerunner over it I`ve the qtopia image installed, not the ASU...But I tried to start the boot-loader too, which is the original...It should be immaterial which image is installed or isn't it? Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 16:32 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup
This should be a community effort -Original Message- From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:12 AM To: steve Cc: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup I would love some help with my getting started blog. There are many how-tos on the wiki but they need to be tested and verified before I'll put them on the gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com. In a different thread we've discussed the quality of our wiki. Cleaning up the wiki will provide me a much better starting point for the how-tos. steve wrote: There is a getting started page in the wiki and michael shiloh has a getting started blog. Micheal? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sameer Verma Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:50 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup Vijay Vaidyanathan wrote: Hi ... I have a shiny new FreeRunner that I am planning to play with over the weekend, but I find the information on the Wiki a little hard to get started with. I've been developing on Unix since the 80's and comfortable enough to find my way around Linux reasonably well, but I find I could definitely use a little Getting Started help. So, is there any interest in meeting up over the next couple of weeks in the San Francisco Bay Area? If so, please let us know by editing this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SFBayAreaGetStarted The idea would be to: (i) Spread the knowledge around (ii) Get some documentation going (I'm happy to document whatever I pick up) (iii) Meet a few other people who are nearly as brilliant and forward thinking as yourself! Since I have a selfish motive to get this going, I'd be happy to do the organizational legwork if needed :-) - VV - - -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Vijay, You may want to post on some Linux User Groups in the SF bay area (SVLUG http://www.svlug.org/, SF-LUG http://www.sf-lug.org/, BALUG http://www.balug.org/, EBLUG http://www.eblug.org/, NBLUG http://www.nblug.org/, etc.) to get their involvement. You may even get an invitation to present at one of their meetings. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OSCON get together
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Dirk Bergstrom wrote: Are any of you going to be at OSCON? Do you want to do a BoF session, or schedule some other get together? I will be there all week and would love to BoF. -- Asheesh. -- Noncombatant: A dead Quaker. -- Ambrose Bierce ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
ok...I`ll wait for Michael`s explanation... thx Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
wiki:gps: rephrasing?
hi, i found http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems#Basic_GPS_debugging which starts as follows: ... (the screen the right way up, with the top of the phone facing up, and the screen facing the horizon) ... well, i have to confess my command of english is not sufficient to understand it. could someone please rephrase? thx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
wow -- that is very unfortunate... indeed phone which is useless as a phone would sound like a failure. I hope openmoko engineers and developers resolve the issue (bug report trace seems to reveal some improvements). Thanks for making us aware (my FR is still on its way) On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Yorick Moko wrote: there is some talk about this on the devel-list: [1]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003560. html [2]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003562. html [3]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003563. html On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Randy S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious to know if anyone is using their FR as a phone. Mine has such poor audio quality, it is unfortunately useless as a phone. The audio I hear is clear but at a very low volume; the other person hears my voice very distorted and with a buzz. I am on T-Mobile in Texas, USA. -- Yaroslav Halchenko Research Assistant, Psychology Department, Rutgers-Newark Student Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT Office: (973) 353-5440x263 | FWD: 82823 | Fax: (973) 353-1171 101 Warren Str, Smith Hall, Rm 4-105, Newark NJ 07102 WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
He's probably talking about the carriers page on the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers I personally think it needs an update. There aren't that many carriers listed and some more information about the actual sim cards would be nice. 2008/7/13 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sean toldme this already existed somewhere -Original Message- From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:55 AM To: steve Cc: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'; Brenda Wang Subject: Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards? Brenda, I presume you will do this as the wiki belongs to you, but if you can't let me know and I'll do it. Let me know right away. Michael steve wrote: Michael and Brenda. I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers have issues, a table by country by carrier. This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and for advising people prior to purchase. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *atweb *Sent:* Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:40 AM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards? I´ve an o2-SIM from the time of Viag-Interkom in my Freerunner with the Code 1001710251761MC on the Chip-Side. I can perfectly phone an do SMS with it. cu Markus Jeffrey Ratcliffe schrieb: 2008/7/8 Jeffrey Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: My German Blau SIM (On the back it says, amongst other things, 3V - does that mean volts?) does NOT work on my new GTA02, despite what is on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers One colleague's Dutch Orange SIM did work, but two other German Vodafone SIMs did not. One German and one Dutch T-Mobile SIM did not work, but a German Debitel (T-Mobile reseller) did. Nor did a 1 year old German O2 SIM. Tried 4 more German SIMs - none of the them worked: D2 Mannesmann (7 years old) Vodafone O2 T-D1 (T-Mobile) I don't see any pattern. Who has a German SIM working in their FR? Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Søren H. Kristiansen Stud. polyt., Software Engineering, University of Aalborg, Denmark ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 13.07.2008, 01:25 +0200 schrieb smurfy - phil: But if you want try it yourself: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/om-homezone/ Nice! I’m having problems installing the ipkg on a current 2007.2 freerunner, but I’m new in this business, so I might be doing something stupid: When I try to install openmoko-panel-hz_0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk, opkg tries to download and install gtk+ and I get: Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gtk+_2.12.11-r2_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libpixmap.so But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0 But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/share/themes/Default/gtk-2.0-key/gtkrc But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/share/themes/Raleigh/gtk-2.0/gtkrc But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/share/themes/Emacs/gtk-2.0-key/gtkrc But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling Can anyone give me pointers as to why I have a different version of gtk+ than provided by the buildhost and how I can fix that? Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Key: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.joachim-breitner.de/ Debian Developer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wiki:gps: rephrasing?
It just means that the internal gps antenna (which is placed in the top of the freerunner) should be pointing upwards. Your phone should be standing up not lieing on a table or something :-) 2008/7/13 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi, i found http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems#Basic_GPS_debugging which starts as follows: ... (the screen the right way up, with the top of the phone facing up, and the screen facing the horizon) ... well, i have to confess my command of english is not sufficient to understand it. could someone please rephrase? thx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Søren H. Kristiansen Stud. polyt., Software Engineering, University of Aalborg, Denmark ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada
Loading dock for Trucks. A boat from SF to Toronto would be a neat trick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of c_r Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:50 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada On Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:05:53PM -0700, steve wrote: Harry and I PERSONALLY PACKED 300 phones for them on Tuesday and watched them leave the dock for Toronto. dock as in.. boat. which will take a few weeks? -Original Message- From: Gabriel A. Devenyi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:29 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: steve Subject: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada Hello all, I recently ordered (last Sunday) a Freerunner from Koolu in Canada. Their shop noted that I could expect shipping within 2-3 weeks due to high demand, whatever that means. Now I've noticed that on their main page they claim to have 100 units in stock with 500 more coming soon. This concerns me, as if the have stock it shouldn't take more than a week to process my order, they DID already take my money afterall. This is beginning to sound a bit scammy. Does anyone know if Koolu has any Freerunners yet? Has anyone ordered from them? -- Gabriel A. Devenyi B.Eng. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany
gtk+-fastscaling provides gtk+ -- so no need for gtk+. either the dependencies of the homezone app need to be more accurate or -- the better way -- opkg should handle that more flexible, evaluating the provides sections of packages installed. for the time being opkg install -force-depends openmoko-homezoned (or whatever the packages' name may be) should help. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada
On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 09:05 -0700, steve wrote: Loading dock for Trucks. A boat from SF to Toronto would be a neat trick. no trick, just the long way round, SF - Panama - St Lawrence Seaway - Lake Erie - Toronto -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of c_r Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:50 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada On Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:05:53PM -0700, steve wrote: Harry and I PERSONALLY PACKED 300 phones for them on Tuesday and watched them leave the dock for Toronto. dock as in.. boat. which will take a few weeks? -Original Message- From: Gabriel A. Devenyi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:29 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: steve Subject: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada Hello all, I recently ordered (last Sunday) a Freerunner from Koolu in Canada. Their shop noted that I could expect shipping within 2-3 weeks due to high demand, whatever that means. Now I've noticed that on their main page they claim to have 100 units in stock with 500 more coming soon. This concerns me, as if the have stock it shouldn't take more than a week to process my order, they DID already take my money afterall. This is beginning to sound a bit scammy. Does anyone know if Koolu has any Freerunners yet? Has anyone ordered from them? -- Gabriel A. Devenyi B.Eng. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing? Brian Beattie LFS12947 | Honor isn't about making the right choices. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | It's about dealing with the consequences. www.beattie-home.net | -- Midori Koto ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Anyone using FR as a phone?
I use mine. My kids used theirs till I gave it away to somebody else. That said, some people have expereince audio issues. Engineering is on the issue. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yaroslav Halchenko Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:44 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Anyone using FR as a phone? wow -- that is very unfortunate... indeed phone which is useless as a phone would sound like a failure. I hope openmoko engineers and developers resolve the issue (bug report trace seems to reveal some improvements). Thanks for making us aware (my FR is still on its way) On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Yorick Moko wrote: there is some talk about this on the devel-list: [1]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003560. html [2]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003562. html [3]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003563. html On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Randy S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious to know if anyone is using their FR as a phone. Mine has such poor audio quality, it is unfortunately useless as a phone. The audio I hear is clear but at a very low volume; the other person hears my voice very distorted and with a buzz. I am on T-Mobile in Texas, USA. -- Yaroslav Halchenko Research Assistant, Psychology Department, Rutgers-Newark Student Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT Office: (973) 353-5440x263 | FWD: 82823 | Fax: (973) 353-1171 101 Warren Str, Smith Hall, Rm 4-105, Newark NJ 07102 WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada
Ontario I thought. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Beattie Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:21 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 09:05 -0700, steve wrote: Loading dock for Trucks. A boat from SF to Toronto would be a neat trick. no trick, just the long way round, SF - Panama - St Lawrence Seaway - Lake Erie - Toronto -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of c_r Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:50 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada On Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:05:53PM -0700, steve wrote: Harry and I PERSONALLY PACKED 300 phones for them on Tuesday and watched them leave the dock for Toronto. dock as in.. boat. which will take a few weeks? -Original Message- From: Gabriel A. Devenyi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:29 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: steve Subject: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada Hello all, I recently ordered (last Sunday) a Freerunner from Koolu in Canada. Their shop noted that I could expect shipping within 2-3 weeks due to high demand, whatever that means. Now I've noticed that on their main page they claim to have 100 units in stock with 500 more coming soon. This concerns me, as if the have stock it shouldn't take more than a week to process my order, they DID already take my money afterall. This is beginning to sound a bit scammy. Does anyone know if Koolu has any Freerunners yet? Has anyone ordered from them? -- Gabriel A. Devenyi B.Eng. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing? Brian Beattie LFS12947 | Honor isn't about making the right choices. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | It's about dealing with the consequences. www.beattie-home.net | -- Midori Koto ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
I use the FR as a phone. And I trying to figure out where can I apply my C, C++, Gtk knowledge to help in the development. A list of small things that must be done will be appreciated, so anybody of us can use our free time to read the code, write a small patch and summit it to a om developer. :) El dom, 13-07-2008 a las 10:11 +0200, Yorick Moko escribió: there is some talk about this on the devel-list: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003560.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003562.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003563.html On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Randy S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious to know if anyone is using their FR as a phone. Mine has such poor audio quality, it is unfortunately useless as a phone. The audio I hear is clear but at a very low volume; the other person hears my voice very distorted and with a buzz. I am on T-Mobile in Texas, USA. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS issue related to GPS antenna selector ?
Hello, Thanks to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues , I ran into the following (and quite scary) thread : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-April/55.html So I was wondering, maybe the poor GPS performance issue many FR seem to have, especially on the internal antenna, is related to the GPS antenna MUX (the part responsible for the switch between internal antenna, and external antenna if you hook one up) selecting the external antenna, even when there isn't one ? The randomness of this issue could be explained because driving the mux with levels like 26% Vdd is kind of grey zone and can result in some devices working as expected and some selecting the ext. antenna without one and then having bad reception. I see one way to test this theory, by driving the select signal VCONT to 0V (Werner Almesberger talks about shorting R7616) and see if this improve reception on the internal antenna. This is pure speculation, I didn't test anything and perhaps that's just plain stupid but I'd love to hear from someone that focused on this issue back in April. -- Phyce ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
Diego Fernández Durán wrote: I use the FR as a phone. And I trying to figure out where can I apply my C, C++, Gtk knowledge to help in the development. A list of small things that must be done will be appreciated, so anybody of us can use our free time to read the code, write a small patch and summit it to a om developer. :) Hi, Maybe look at the bugtracker, looking for bugs marked enhancements, task or trivial. I know I just filed one myself ;) -- Phyce ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
arne anka schrieb: there seems to be no use of the workarounds/fixes discussed earlier -- does anybody use the ubx-tool or whatever was discussed to feed informations to the u-blox on startup, thus significantly decreasing ttff? http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/browser/developers/alphaone/u-blox there were some pretty promising reports for those attempts (can't find them right now) -- and standing hours on a meadow in the faint hope of a fix does not really sound appealing to me ... Feeding assist data to compensate bad hardware based reception is no real solution, since there are some FRs, which seem not to have any problems to get a fast fix at all. The basic reception has to be better and I cannot rely on fresh assist data at any time I need a fix! It's a point of qualitiy management on the hardware producers side which has to get solved. I'm not willing to disassemble the new hardware at my own risk (warranty pp.). I know that I have bought an 'incomplete' smarty regarding the OS and software. That was fine with me, but FIC (as experienced hardware manufacturer) should do basic soldering jobs successful on their products (If this gets verified to be the real problem of this issue, of course). My only question is: Which time I have left to engage a warranty procedure? I'll ask Trisoft this week. Greets -- BlueStar88 PGPID: 0x36150C86 PGPFP: E9AE 667C 4A2E 3F46 9B69 9BB2 FC63 8933 3615 0C86 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
Antenna is pointing front longaxis. You have to hold device upright (lanyard hole to ground, AUX-key to sky)! /jOERG Am Sa 12. Juli 2008 schrieb Jonathan Spooner: I've been playing with my GPS and finally got a fix using agps diag tool. I stood the gta02 up on my garden table using a pop bottle :-) I think bottom line the gta02 has a poor antenna in fact the first time I got a fix I did so at the point I rested my free stylus on top of the gta02! Once I had a fix I used the signal strength screen in the agps diag tool and its then plain to see the signal is precarious at best with an average strength of around 28 which is greatly affected by orientation and nearby objects from hands, stylus, people etc pretty much what you'd expect in a device thats receiving a very weak signal except we know the say system is working so that only leaves the gta02 internal antenna as the problem. Thoughts? Jon Russell Sears wrote: I played with it a bit more and think i figured out why i wasn't getting locks quickly. It looks like my Freerunner's GPS is working after all! :) I've updated the wiki GPS_Problems page with some basic information about how GPS devices obtain initial locks, and added more troubleshooting information... It would have saved me a few hours; hopefully someone else will find it useful. Someone familiar with GPS should probably check it for errors. Most of what I wrote is based on things I learned today by word-of-mouth and skimming wikipedia articles. -Rusty Russell Sears wrote: This might help too (I should add myself to it...): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems I've only gotten a fix using the agps diagnostic tool gui. I did it in the middle of a clear night with nothing near by, by going to the signal strength screen, and slowly rotating the phone until the bars started turning from light blue to dark blue, and going with an orientation that seemed to work, kind of like with an old analog TV set... I don't know if doing it actually helped, but while playing this game, I got a fix in ~ 2-3 minutes, vs the tens of minutes I'd waited before that. Bumble, after 10-15 minutes of waiting, do you see any satellites in the ss tab of the agps diagnostic tool? Does it display a time in UTC after a few minutes? If so, we're probably in the same boat. Is there a document explaining the exact handshaking procedure the chipset in the freerunner uses to lock onto the satellites? -Rusty andres wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 23:57 +0200, Bumbl wrote: Be happy I have never got a fix up to now although trying on different locations for 45min each. I'll consider to use my waranty. probably this is related http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
Antenna is pointing front longaxis. You have to hold device upright (lanyard hole to ground, AUX-key to sky)! /jOERG Am Di 8. Juli 2008 schrieb atweb: Hello, On Monday, I had a fix after an hour (eating by mom and laying FR in my card at the north side of the house). Today, the GPS found lot of satellites but did not get a fix (see screenshots). cu Markus signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster DHL and Correos Spain
I am sorry to add Bulgaria to the list of shame. Once the parcel get to our country, DHL gives it in Bulgarian post's hands. After that they are about 8(eight) to 30(thirty) *business* days for internal delivery. Maybe they want to fr-moko-play too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christoph Pulster wrote: Hi Diego, thanks for the info. We at Pulster.de Openmoko Shop ship with DHL Germany. Some destination countries deliver the parcels as well with local DHL. Other countries use their national post services, which are quite slow in Spain, Italy, Greece and Russian states. Benelux, Austria, Swiss, Poland is a 2 day service and works fine. We have the option to use different couriers like FedEx Overnight, just let me know. All parcels are insured and registered, any loss will be refunded from DHL, but we have not a single lost shipment in the past 3 years of business, so dont worry. About customs, inside EU community there is no customs clearance. I think the Spainish Correos is the bad guy, who holds your parcel... Anyone who placed a order with us and likes to now the status of it, please feel free to contact me. You have the right to get on my nerves with a lot of emails. Chris www.pulster.de OpenmokoShop.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany
Hey, i'm really new to the bitbaker stuff :) i also noticed, that after some new build of the app it wants to download gtk+ and fails. i really don't know why this happens. if you do a removal of the gtk+-fastscaling and then a install of gtk+ it works, also, gtk+ installs a new version of gtk+fastscaling. so i realy don't know why it is doing that :) maybe because on 12.jul, there was an update of the gtk+* packages. Phil arne anka wrote: gtk+-fastscaling provides gtk+ -- so no need for gtk+. either the dependencies of the homezone app need to be more accurate or -- the better way -- opkg should handle that more flexible, evaluating the provides sections of packages installed. for the time being opkg install -force-depends openmoko-homezoned (or whatever the packages' name may be) should help. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OSCON get together
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Asheesh Laroia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Dirk Bergstrom wrote: Are any of you going to be at OSCON? Do you want to do a BoF session, or schedule some other get together? I will be there all week and would love to BoF. -- Asheesh. -- Noncombatant: A dead Quaker. -- Ambrose Bierce I will be there as well. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Robotics and Openmoko
We need Openmoko robot wars. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Harrison Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:25 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Robotics and Openmoko I have a blog at: http://www.devcentre.org Under the science tab I've got all my Open Boat content, with articles from conception to implementation. I've made some mistakes along the way, some quite expensive - such as blowing up a motor controller by plugging it into the wrong polarity, and I am still to have a 100% operational boat. However, I'm not far away. I've just been made redundant through restructuring so I have some time to write up things in some more detail. My next challenge is developing the magnetic compass hardware and software. I know there are commercial compasses, but they are kind of expensive. I'm going to use two hall effect sensors and see if I can write the software to interpret the readings from these sensors. I've also been writing a simulator which will be able to test the software. And yes - I will be releasing all the source very soon. It was suggested I add to the Wiki projects page as well - so I will. As you can see I have a bit on my to do list now :) On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool project! Indeed Freerunner makes some new applications possible as integrated wlan-gps-gprs-accelerometer-wifi device. Is there some web page or blog or feed or something I'd use to see how you're doing with the project? (I think this mailing list has way too much mails to actually be able to follow some discussion :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Car charger to GTA02
I have the same iGO. Have used it without problem with my freerunner for a long while -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C R McClenaghan Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:44 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Brenda Wang Subject: Re: Car charger to GTA02 A general question related to car charging. I have an iGo charger and many tips. One is a mini-usb tip. It seems to be charging my Neo okay. Is there an reason I shouldn't use this device? There is also an iGo car charger that accepts the same tips. I'm not trying to push the brand here, just wanting to know if this is an alternative charging mechanism and whether it is safe. Chris On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:35 PM, steve wrote: Magic 47 ohm resistor will get you 1A. its on the wiki somewhere. We need a better search on the wiki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:01 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Car charger to GTA02 Andy Selby ha scritto: How do you enable 1A charging via software? The echo 'fast_cccv' etc.. only seems to give me 500ma. Is there a sysfs interface to this, or does it have to be done by the kernel? This is for the Neo 1973 by the way. I'm pretty sure the neo1973 cant charge with more than 500mA due to the hardware, nothing in software will fix that, I think the post you quoted was about the freerunner. I read months ago that it should be able to charge at 1000mA too (if charger supports it). -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: BAY AREA OM FANS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 steve escreveu: Linux world is coming this August and Michael and I have a intresting plan to Involve the community in the booths, give away free stuff ( like debug boards and spares ), And make a movie about our community members. So as we figure out the details we will tell you Hi Steve. I'll be at Linuxworld (I work for Canonical of Ubuntu Linux fame) and helping run the booth. Are you having a booth there as well? If so, I'll be glad to show up. Any chance of having a few units for sale? I was trying to figure out how to buy mine and if you have a 900 version there for sale that would be great. []s Adilson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIek3S2cB5Bt7H7YARAohoAJ911PDJcWWaSMozfuDGSGy2uB+NoACgv3y7 3iwqZMeqqy7e+I3Cu3qDdds= =7+H0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
Hi!
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 04:40:09AM +0200, Cédric Berger wrote:
I would like to boot Qtopia from SD, but couldn't yet...
Can I do that with the image of Qtopia you mentioned ?
I extracted the files form the .jffs2 and copied them on the microSD card.
I then put the uImage bin in /boot
You have to put uImage.bin in a FAT partition... at least that's how
it's supposed to be when you use the default U-Boot environment. See
here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card
I tried with SD card formated in ext3 and ext2.
It seems you have to use ext3 for the rootfs partition, because current
kernel builds have ext2 support only as a module (which is not yet
available before the rootfs is mounted).
Then I had the following problem: U-Boot told the kernel that the rootfs
was ext2, even if it was ext3, so the kernel couldn't mount it. I solved
that by logging in to the U-Boot console via USB and modifying the
command sequence to boot from SD so that it looks like this (I just
replaced ext2 with ext3):
menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext3): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base}
rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit;
fatload mmc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200
Here you can also see that it expects the kernel to be on a FAT
partition (it uses the command fatload). Maybe that could be changed,
so that it reads the kernel from the ext2 or ext3 partition itself, but
I don't know which commands U-Boot supports.
HTH,
Thomas
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Qtopia Speakerphone
Hi all, the qtopia image makes the FreeRunner almost a usable phone, but I have a problem. I was able to get the audio to work by creating the symlink below, but the speakerphone still doesn't work --- it emits a loud beep sound instead. Any ideas? Thanks so much. lln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa yochai ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Well... I got it! :) SVN deletes, but it doesn't forget the old code, so you can get it taking the last revision available (r1471) as I've written in this wiki section: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method#Getting_this_keyboard Since I've no openmoko hardware in my pockets yet, I've compiled it in my linux pc and it works well! Anyone here would like to continue its development? :P I'll give it a shot... However I get this error doing om-conf checking for FAKEKEY... no configure: error: *** You need to install libfakekey from MB SVN *** I have FAKEKEY installed on my Ubuntu box, not sure how to get it into the tool chain though as I'm new to it. Guess I'll do some digging around. Thanks for the pointers to the svn. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?
Hi! On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 06:48:41AM +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: Kevin Dean wrote: Plugging a Freerunner up via USB to a Debian system while running this image doesn't appear to charge. Is this a purely visual thing, or is Qtopia unable to charge a Freerunner? I'm assuming that since the other software can, this is a Qtopia thing? actually, it is an apm thing. apm battery status on the freerunner does not work correctly. I guess I need to back port a workaround from the 4.4. branch for at least showing when it is charging. I have a slightly different problem: The battery does get charged, but the screen doesn't dim or get switched off, although I told it to do that in the settings. That's a bit annoying, and it's probably not very healthy for the display, too. Is this also an apm problem, and can it be worked around? If anyone knows how to get a real battery status on the freerunner I can fix this up. I only know of /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/status. Maybe that helps? Regards, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OT: Do Linux-oriented companies use Linux?
Hi, I'm interested in promoting the use of Linux at the workplace. I've found that invariably policies at companies make it harder to use Linux as they will prohibit its use on the network, or use MS-centric tools like Exchange or proprietary document formats or software that requires Windows. This was even the case at my previous company where they develop applications on Solaris. They require everyone to have good Linux/Unix knowledge but actively discourage using Linux/OpenSolaris at the workplace. I was wondering how this is handled at companies like Openmoko (or is it FIC?). What is the network setup like, which OS is standard? What do you guys use on your laptops? Thanks for any info. Richard. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
MokSec - The Security Framework
Bumbl wrote: It would be more important to not run everything as root I think This will be also a main focus. When we receive the Freerunners, we will see how fast we can change this bad state. Robert Schuster wrote: Hi, this is perhaps not directly in the scope of your project but perhaps it inspires someones else: A spam filter for SMS. :) Why not? We can add this feature to the phone firewall. Shouldn't be a big problem. It's also possible that you add this feature to phone-firewall or you make a new project. I found this a very good idea and should be part of the security framework. Regards Alex Oberhauser ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve done a jump start with a ericsson-battery, which have the same Volt. Now my FR has started up and the battery is charging :-) Thanks again for the tip! Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
Hi list, I got myself a Kingston SDC4/4GB microSD card. While this piece is working properly in a cardreader connected to a laptop - using it with the freerunner is impossible due to i/o errors. This includes accessing filesystemobjects and even the partition table. The errors occur almost immediately. I tested both vfat and ext2. greetings malte ian douglas wrote: Hey all, Got my 8GB SanDisk 8GB micro SDHC card [1] in a few minutes ago, popped it into my GTA02v5 (beta tester model) Freerunner and running a few tests on it. So far, so good. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# mount | grep media /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type vfat (rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# df -h | grep media /dev/mmcblk0p17.6G 32.0k 7.6G 0% /media/card If anything weird comes up in my testing, I'll let everyone know. -id [1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171320 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Antwerp group buy
Hi all, We're at about 7 confirmed people around Antwerp, Belgium, who will be placing a group-order, probably from Germany. That way we should save considerably on postage and get a discounted purchase price. Anyone who'd like to join us to order within the next week or so, and can come to Antwerp to pick-up their phone is welcome to send me a mail. Regards, Richard. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
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Re: GPS issue related to GPS antenna selector ?
Am So 13. Juli 2008 schrieb Philippe Guillebert: Hello, Thanks to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues , I ran into the following (and quite scary) thread : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-April/55.html So I was wondering, maybe the poor GPS performance issue many FR seem to have, especially on the internal antenna, is related to the GPS antenna MUX (the part responsible for the switch between internal antenna, and external antenna if you hook one up) selecting the external antenna, even when there isn't one ? The randomness of this issue could be explained because driving the mux with levels like 26% Vdd is kind of grey zone and can result in some devices working as expected and some selecting the ext. antenna without one and then having bad reception. I see one way to test this theory, by driving the select signal VCONT to 0V (Werner Almesberger talks about shorting R7616) and see if this improve reception on the internal antenna. This is pure speculation, I didn't test anything and perhaps that's just plain stupid but I'd love to hear from someone that focused on this issue back in April. IIRC Andy did all of these tests and found they didn't solve or even alter the symptoms (see later posts in same thread). Though the circuit design is definitely flaky, it doesn't seem to trigger any of the suspected problems. Anyway thanks for the feedback jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which list to write to (was Re: x offset in landscape mode)
Am Do 10. Juli 2008 schrieb Stroller: On 10 Jul 2008, at 07:17, Michael Kluge wrote: It is probably the best idea to write to both lists (I was not aware of the other list up to now). Urg, if you must, for the present. IMO it's better if the correct list was simply addressed in the first place. I tend to set Xposted topics to [ignore], as they are impossible to follow on and just waste my time. Xposting is considered bad practice anyway /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
It mean the same as one know this from a car with a very low battery... (bridged ) just put another battery (I think it`s important, that the second battery have the same Volt) parallel to the original battery. If so, the FR can take the power from the two batteries... Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 23:18 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down I`ve done a jump start care to elaborate? what does jump start mean? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util problems
Nice script, thank you. It works perfectly for setting up networking and sharing the host internet connection. But dfu-utils still doesn't work. Eildert Groeneveld wrote: On Sunday 13 July 2008, joseph schlesinger wrote: Running it as root does not work, nor does passing a --device parameter. I should mention that I've also tried a number of different linux host machines and usb ports on each. Could it be a defective phone? This is what I need to run as root and the everything works fine: root(eno,freerunner)# cat upom #!/bin/sh /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 /bin/echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -F iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.200 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.2.0/24 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+ -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0 -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+ -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0 -j ACCEPT iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 root(eno,freerunner)# courtesy I-dont-remember Eildert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)
I've been trying for several hours to get wifi working, it never seems to connect although it can see my station. I tried this too as it makes sense to turn off usb0, but that didn't seem to work either, I wrote this script to make it easy from console (I also tried ifconfig usb0 down) ifdown usb0 wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B sleep 10 udhcpc eth0 I have a similar issue too. wpa_supplicant.conf didn't worked for me at all. Using iwconfig eth0 essid wep_ap key 128_bit_key_in_hex doesn't associate with my access point. I found a small workaround for this: iwconfig eth0 key . and after that iwconfig eth0 essid That connected me to the ap. udhcpd doesn't work for me. sending discover over lan the dhcpd on a server didn't see that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
That sounds like a different problem than I have. People have reported many different failure modes: - Everything works. The phone gets a reliable fix in ~5-15 minutes if you baby it enough. (This might be improved w/ better drivers...) - The software is somehow messed up, and there are never any fixes. (People report GPS breakage after installing some combination of the GPS packages...) Reflashing the phone does not seem to help(!) - Actual antenna troubles. (See message GPS issue related to GPS antenna selector ?) TangoGPS problems: - TangoGPS says no gps found. Run opkg install gpsd. - The GPS device usually works, but sometimes tangoGPS sees zero satellites after 5 minutes. If you to power down the GPS device, then power it back up, it starts seeing satellites. -Rusty Ole Kliemann wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 03:48:14AM -0700, Russell Sears wrote: Yes, there is still hope. The current software drivers do not save any state between GPS locks, so the GPS device is needlessly re-downloading information from the satellites each time it turns on. Downloading the data seems to require a much better/more consistent signal than calculating the phone's current position. It sounds like a (partial?) fix is in the works. There were some links to scripts posted to this mailing list a few days ago, but they came with copyright restrictions that prevent redistribution... My phone sometimes takes 10 minutes to get a fix, but can track its current position from a car seat (not just near the window), and indoors in my pocket. It's good enough for in-car navigation, and for use as a speedometer, though with a couple of seconds delay added in. Also, I see a few meters of jitter when the device is not moving. After losing signal in a tunnel for 15-30 seconds, it restored its fix immediately after I left the tunnel. Not counting the time to get the initial lock, this behavior is better than what I've seen from some inexpensive name brand gps devices, suggesting the antenna is good enough, assuming saving and restoring the chip's state works. I read about this idea in the wiki and posted a comment there. Here's what I wrote. I tested the FR outside with internal antenna and did not see a single sat for 15min. With external antenna I have a TTFS of 33s. If I plug out the external after the fix is stable, it almost instantly gets lost. I still see one to three sats but get no fix. So apparently the information obtain through the external antenna is not enough to assist the internal antenna in getting a fix. Orbit and positon data should be known to the device by then? If you download this data from the internet or recalculate it locally, in what way would this be superior to what I tested? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
Am Do 10. Juli 2008 schrieb ian douglas: Shawn Rutledge wrote: What about on the GTA01? The biggest I have tried so far is 2 gig because I wasn't sure if SDHC was working. I sold my GTA01 months ago earlier this year, so I can only test on my GTA02v5. I imagine someone with a v6 Freerunner can do some additional testing. There's no difference between A5 and A6 /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
Thanks a lot, I really missed that 2 points...
now I could get it boot the last Qtopia image (extracted from the
jffs2) from the microSD
I can start some testing ! :-)
First boot was ok, pin unlocked, gsm network ok, first sight ok
No sound... but I've read there was something to do to correct... so
should be fine
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 21:02, Thomas B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems you have to use ext3 for the rootfs partition, because current
kernel builds have ext2 support only as a module (which is not yet
available before the rootfs is mounted).
Then I had the following problem: U-Boot told the kernel that the rootfs
was ext2, even if it was ext3, so the kernel couldn't mount it. I solved
that by logging in to the U-Boot console via USB and modifying the
command sequence to boot from SD so that it looks like this (I just
replaced ext2 with ext3):
menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext3): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base}
rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit;
fatload mmc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200
Here you can also see that it expects the kernel to be on a FAT
partition (it uses the command fatload). Maybe that could be changed,
so that it reads the kernel from the ext2 or ext3 partition itself, but
I don't know which commands U-Boot supports.
HTH,
Thomas
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Hi, I saw a post on device-owners about some openmoko mailing list changes, but as I'm subscribed via gmane.org and for some reason email address scrambling was enabled, so any email addresses in headers or messages (unless '@' is replaced by other text e.g. ' at ') they are completely unintelligible. Could someone please contact the gmane.org and see if the surviving lists could be re-subscribed *without* email address scrambling? I would like to have the option to make off-list replies. Arthur. arthur.marsh at internode.on.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 09:05:00AM -0700, steve wrote: Loading dock for Trucks. A boat from SF to Toronto would be a neat trick. That's what the Panama Canal is for. A bit indirect though. You could also try the North West Passage :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
steve wrote: Michael and Brenda. I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers have issues, a table by country by carrier. hi steve, michael, brenda, community. that does not make real sense. the issues we are seeing with some sim-cards are not carrier-related, but related to which specific model of sim-card they bought. currently it seems that old gemplus sim-cards have this issue, but we need more people with and without problems to submit pictures of the contact-side if the sim. the only universal way we currently have to identify which manufacturer and model the sim really is, is to have a scan/sharp photo. the numbers on it are not unified and thus cannot be universally used to look up which type it is. also carriers tend to have multiple types of sim in use over the years and also switch manufacturers from time to time. see the attached pictures on ticket 666 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666 at the moment i am not yet sure if we have a electrical or mechanical problem, but the current state from my point of view is: 'some type of gemplus simcards (the 2 different types with round edges/ contact plates) give trouble/do not work. This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and for advising people prior to purchase. indeed. also this needs more samples of which sims work and not work to finally know whats going on and what to tell people to do as workaround. so please do a shot like this: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/666/sim1.jpg sharp, contact side. label the file as 'sim working' or 'sim notworking' and attach it to this ticket in the wiki. also would be nice to have some comment about which carrier, and when it was given out, if you think its a '3g sim' and, if you want, the numbers on it. but thats 'cream on top', not essential, since this is a carrier-independant problem it seems. kind regards. ps: because it seems a often asked question: the numbers of the sim are not directly 'secret' or need to be kept confidential. one cannot clone or locate your sim/phone with knowledge of these. only the carrier who gave the sim out could identify or duplicate the sim, and would not need the numbers on the original for that because that information which one could look up is in their databases already. so no harm done by having them in a photo. -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
Let us see if I can help with this. All my new cards do not work. I did clean off the numbers.. Even if it is not needed. http://www.batbuilds.com/working_front.jpg http://www.batbuilds.com/working_back.jpg http://www.batbuilds.com/failed_front.jpg http://www.batbuilds.com/failed_back.jpg Hope this helps. -Adam P.S. I will see the Openmoto team at SF Linux world. If they want all these sims, I will donate them to the cause. On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 02:18 +0200, Joachim Steiger wrote: steve wrote: Michael and Brenda. I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers have issues, a table by country by carrier. hi steve, michael, brenda, community. that does not make real sense. the issues we are seeing with some sim-cards are not carrier-related, but related to which specific model of sim-card they bought. currently it seems that old gemplus sim-cards have this issue, but we need more people with and without problems to submit pictures of the contact-side if the sim. the only universal way we currently have to identify which manufacturer and model the sim really is, is to have a scan/sharp photo. the numbers on it are not unified and thus cannot be universally used to look up which type it is. also carriers tend to have multiple types of sim in use over the years and also switch manufacturers from time to time. see the attached pictures on ticket 666 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666 at the moment i am not yet sure if we have a electrical or mechanical problem, but the current state from my point of view is: 'some type of gemplus simcards (the 2 different types with round edges/ contact plates) give trouble/do not work. This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and for advising people prior to purchase. indeed. also this needs more samples of which sims work and not work to finally know whats going on and what to tell people to do as workaround. so please do a shot like this: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/666/sim1.jpg sharp, contact side. label the file as 'sim working' or 'sim notworking' and attach it to this ticket in the wiki. also would be nice to have some comment about which carrier, and when it was given out, if you think its a '3g sim' and, if you want, the numbers on it. but thats 'cream on top', not essential, since this is a carrier-independant problem it seems. kind regards. ps: because it seems a often asked question: the numbers of the sim are not directly 'secret' or need to be kept confidential. one cannot clone or locate your sim/phone with knowledge of these. only the carrier who gave the sim out could identify or duplicate the sim, and would not need the numbers on the original for that because that information which one could look up is in their databases already. so no harm done by having them in a photo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
I don't get some people have experienced audio issues? Is this an indication of the level of quality control in manufacture ring? Scott steve wrote: I use mine. My kids used theirs till I gave it away to somebody else. That said, some people have expereince audio issues. Engineering is on the issue. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yaroslav Halchenko Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:44 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Anyone using FR as a phone? wow -- that is very unfortunate... indeed phone which is useless as a phone would sound like a failure. I hope openmoko engineers and developers resolve the issue (bug report trace seems to reveal some improvements). Thanks for making us aware (my FR is still on its way) On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Yorick Moko wrote: there is some talk about this on the devel-list: [1]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003560. html [2]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003562. html [3]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003563. html On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Randy S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious to know if anyone is using their FR as a phone. Mine has such poor audio quality, it is unfortunately useless as a phone. The audio I hear is clear but at a very low volume; the other person hears my voice very distorted and with a buzz. I am on T-Mobile in Texas, USA. -- Yaroslav Halchenko Research Assistant, Psychology Department, Rutgers-Newark Student Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT Office: (973) 353-5440x263 | FWD: 82823 | Fax: (973) 353-1171 101 Warren Str, Smith Hall, Rm 4-105, Newark NJ 07102 WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Just because I sound like an idiot doesn't mean I agree with the president.from an ad on Air America Radio ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
No use in connecting a FR to any source to charge bat, as long as it doesn't boot up. Actually it drains battery even further, instead of charging. Battery is only charged when booting succeeds. Jumpstart the battery is very unlikely to help you out. Get FR booted by any means 1.:Remove sim-card! 2.:Use wallcharger to startup. 3:borrow battery, apply 4.5V (5V!!!) to + and minus of battery connector in FR. After 5~10sec FR should come up and you don't need startup-battery or 4.5V-power-source any more - remove it! FR should run happily from wallcharger. Now *don't* power down, and insert dead battery. battery is going to charge now. Alternative way: find a charger for nokia-bat, or even use an old nokia to charge dead battery. e.g. 6230i. If you find a friend who could lend a battery to you, maybe he might prefer to take your bat and charge it for a short while. sorry for the inconvenience. Usually we shouldn't see dead batteries. We expect to fix the deep-discharge of bat at software side. The problems with no startup on dead bat are partially a hw-issue. Though Werner has a new u-boot that might help (coming soon), especially when you got a device that flashes red aux-led (good sign!). cheers jOERG Am So 13. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ok...I`ll wait for Michael`s explanation... thx Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better keyboard?
Jim Morris ha scritto: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Well... I got it! :) SVN deletes, but it doesn't forget the old code, so you can get it taking the last revision available (r1471) as I've written in this wiki section: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method#Getting_this_keyboard Since I've no openmoko hardware in my pockets yet, I've compiled it in my linux pc and it works well! Anyone here would like to continue its development? :P I'll give it a shot... However I get this error doing om-conf checking for FAKEKEY... no configure: error: *** You need to install libfakekey from MB SVN *** I have FAKEKEY installed on my Ubuntu box, not sure how to get it into the tool chain though as I'm new to it. Guess I'll do some digging around. In Ubuntu I had to install libfakekey-dev to compile. However I've also ported and applied the thseiler's popup patch to this version (I could attach it somewhere if you want, but it's still incomplete since it's show only the clicked letter on a small pop-up window). I'd like also to redesign it a little, to gain a bit more space while my FR is coming... :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MokSec - The Security Framework
Alex Oberhauser wrote: Bumbl wrote: It would be more important to not run everything as root I think This will be also a main focus. When we receive the Freerunners, we will see how fast we can change this bad state. Personally, I'd be more interested in an encrypted filesystem so that I can worry less about snoopy people getting access to my personal data if I lose my phone or it's stolen. How many 'main focuses' are you allowed ? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
steve wrote: If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. If I remember right, there's also a good explanation in this long thread by steve [1] in kernel list. [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.kernel/3209 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Information about mailinglist merge
On 7/14/08 Maximilian Bauer wrote: the mailinglist device-owners will change its name to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from this point on we will deactivate [EMAIL PROTECTED] and .com. please use the new list instead. Let me add a bit more here...Tony Tu will be moderating this support list and helping to organizing a knowledge base out of everyone's questions / support issues. He will explain more shortly... Please try your best to keep this list on topic. It's for support for existing device owners. Not questions about how the device or software functions. Hopefully this will help us react faster to one another. Thanks! -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Scott Derrick: I don't get some people have experienced audio issues? Is this an indication of the level of quality control in manufacture ring? Scott This is a short form of description of the *very* random and statistic nature of this issue. We got some reports from customers about this noise. We are still investigating on what conditions need to come together to produce this problem. Seems like carrier, band(850,900,1800,1900), location, time of day, weather(yeah!), way to hold the device(!), open or closed doors and windows etc etc etc, all influence this. On my setups to reproduce, I constantly failed to create this noise on FR, but had bad noise on a decent Nokia I used for reference purposes. Mention this, just to illustrate the problems we see on evaluating the issue. Thus far we have no clear data on that, and we have no exact reports on number of people who experience this problem. As soon as things are more clear, we will report on it. Meanwhile we are about to improve the hw to cope with this (a little difficult without exact idea of the way this happens). /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wiki:gps: rephrasing?
Antenna is pointing front longaxis. You have to hold device upright (lanyard hole to ground, AUX-key to sky)! /jOERG Am So 13. Juli 2008 schrieb arne anka: hi, i found http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems#Basic_GPS_debugging which starts as follows: ... (the screen the right way up, with the top of the phone facing up, and the screen facing the horizon) ... well, i have to confess my command of english is not sufficient to understand it. could someone please rephrase? thx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile we are about to improve the hw to cope with this (a little difficult without exact idea of the way this happens). Meaning, the improvement will show up in a new rev of the Freerunner, or in the next model phone? --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia Speakerphone
Am So 13. Juli 2008 schrieb Yochai Gal: Hi all, the qtopia image makes the FreeRunner almost a usable phone, but I have a problem. I was able to get the audio to work by creating the symlink below, but the speakerphone still doesn't work --- it emits a loud beep sound instead. Any ideas? Thanks so much. lln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa yochai The mixer settings for speakerphone, which are restored from /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios, have to be fixed to eliminate path from mic to speaker, to avoid this feedback. Also there is a second place to look at to tweak sidetone path (that's what it's called, also the alsamixer settings are named in a braindead way here! Don't get fooled!), in modem setup. There's some AT-command to send to modem to stop sidetone path in modem. Mickey knows more on this. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
