Re: ASU - opkg upgrade - is it possible to exclude some packages?
Upgrading kernel on root from 2:2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0 to 2:2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1... Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/neo1973/kernel_2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1_neo1973.ipk Is there a way to tell 'opkg upgrade' to upgrade everything except the kernel? I just removed /etc/opkg/neo1973.conf I don't really see how it could be useful, and it takes care of this particular problem. -- Charles-Henri ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
On 7/30/08 Daniel Benoy wrote: Also, would the openmoko design team be willing to consider a toggle in the configuration menu between manual and automatic? What we want is for people to add their own configuration options to menus in the form of packages installable from the Installer. This is why we remove functionality. So we can focus on how to make sure our products are extensible. Simplify and Open. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech/Nokia and QTopia on FR [...]
Knut Yrvin wrote: Hi Yaroslav and all the good contributors to Freerunner, I got a short answer on your second question :) On Tuesday 29. July 2008, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: another question (sorry if I missed answer in some of the threads) -- I wonder if you are the only person dedicated by Trolltech (or Nokia) to work on qtopia for openmoko? Holger Freyther was working on supporting Qtopia on OpenEmbedded paid by Trolltech for almost half a year, also benefiting the Freerunner effort. He is now contributing through OpenMoko, and I think he's doing a good job. We will increase our effort supporting free software. That will be expressed in actions instead of words. I'm planning to invite some of the heavy contributors using Qt in Freerunner to a round table session in Brisbane Australia. There are several things on the agenda, but it boils down to what Trolltech can improve. The only reason I as a community manger has not been faster, is all the work with the Nokia acquisition planning. When you include my usual travelling to free software events, there has been no time left to cover more bases. It is just interesting ;-) also it would be great if you could summarize in few words (if you feel like it) what are the future directions you and your team are going to accomplish for qtopia on FR? would be there a 'long term support' of any kind for qtopia on FR? Trolltech will further develop, improve and enhance Qtopia. When it comes to Freerunner, they are in charge for their plans and actions regarding software development. Of course there are cooperation with Trolltech engineering, community and some marketing activeties. And we are working on improvements there too. Personally I'm a fan of the Freerunner effort. When I got the opportunity, I've sponsored travels and accommodations for persons who present what can be done with Freerunner and Open Source on phones. Ole Tange was one of the speakers[1] at Open Nordic Mobile in June. He did a really good presentation of the Freerunner project and opportunities with free software on phones. 1. http://conference.ez.no/eng/Open-Nordic-Conference-2008/Program We have shown the prover of Qtopia with Neo 1973 since Open Source in Mobile September 2007. We also got a demo called Qt Everywhere with a touch screen program launcher using PictureFlow[2]. We are running that on Neo at all our trade shows and some of the free software events: 2. http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/PictureFlow?content=75348 Several people are working on the program for Mobile Developer Days 2008 (MDD) in Berlin 10-14 September (the conference will be from Sept 10-12, the weekend Sept 12-14 will be a code camp). Last year a couple of OpenEmbedded/Freerunner developers participated at MDD in Denmark. We hope that more can join this year in Berlin. I know more people will join from Nokia this year. 3. http://mobiledevices.kom.aau.dk/team_and_organization/events/mobile_developer_days_2008/ This was maybe not a short answer, but it shows that we are committed and really pleased with the progress of Freerunner and the use of Qtopia. The question now is when and how to organise our round table trip to Australia :) Best regards Knut Yrvin I very much appreciate the work Trolltech/Nokia have put in to the Qtopia release and the support which they have shown for the Freerunner project and open-source mobile in general - thank you, I always enjoy reading your posts on the mailing lists. I have a couple of questions - I read somewhere on the Openmoko wiki that (to paraphrase) enough of the Qtopia release is open-source that you can run it on the Freerunner without the proprietary components. I know Qt has gradually migrated to open licenses over the course of history, but what is the current licensing status of the Freerunner Qtopia release? How much is open-source and how much is proprietary? And if I can finish with a horribly vague question, how much of the open-source component of Qtopia is contributed back to the Openmoko project in a usable fashion (i.e. do the open-source components rely on a proprietary component [or Qtopia-specific feature such as writing directly to framebuffer] to work and therefore are only open-source in the context of Qtopia development, or are they totally portable to ASU/FSO with little or no modification?) Aaron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi all! Well, I'm a little new to this (as I'm sure everybody says when they are posting for the first time), but I was wondering, how can I free up space on the neo? Are there any packages that are not necessary? I somehow find myself using up 99% of space after doing an 'upgrade'. I would like to install a bunch of python modules to run pyroute (has anyone has any luck with that so far?) but I keep running out of space. When I try installing the modules onto an sd card, I run out of space there as well. Do python modules normally take up over 400mb of space? Any help would be greatly appreciated! L ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
sim contacts format on OM
Hi all. My contacts are all in my sim card. I can't use them on OM (with the image 20080722 but I couldn't with the release too) because they are in international format and they all miss the '+' at the beginning. When I boot with Qtopia, the '+' is present and contacts can be used. does somebody know how I can do ? thanks in advance. Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK in Qtopia
Back in the glorious days of Qtopia2 (o zauri, where are thou?), there was an X server running on top of Qt-embedded. I'm pretty sure it stalled since then, but one can give it a try (http://xqt.sourceforge.jp/). BTW, it might have been a quicker way to reach the let's run random X apps aside Qtopia ones goal without porting the whole Qtopia to X11. Just the other way around, I guess. Some people are already complaining that X is slow, I can't even imagine what it would be if coded on top of Qt... -- Charles-Henri ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 13:37 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 7/29/08 Marcus Bauer wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:33 -0700, steve wrote: Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed. The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit! The opposite is true. FSO forces you into ASU. It basically makes all work that has been put into OM2007.2 useless. Please stop telling these lies. Marcus You do realize who you are talking to? This is a childish question. This is person in charge of all of marketing for Openmoko. If he says, the point of something is... you should understand that he speaks for Openmoko. If he would be the pope, then I would understand that he speaks for the catholic church and when he says the point of something is... I would know he is infallible by definition. But if the marketing guy (not sales guy as he pointed out) makes wrong technical statements I have enough authority to correct them. (Simply go over to Wikipedia and check for the word meritocracy and its connection to open source.) And I allow myself to counter your question: Do you realize who *you* are talking to? I am part of your community and I have spent at least four full time months of development for YOUR system. And opposed to you I am not paid. If there is someone who should pay respect, how about you paying respect to me? You can say what you want about his ideas. But you have no basis whatsoever to say he's lieing. FSO has nothing to do with freeing people to pick their toolkit. OM2007.2 offers the phonekit and eds (evolution data server). Both already allow for dbus abstraction and this whole argument is stale. OpenedHand (the authors of OM2007.2) knew what they were doing: OpenedHand is, IMHO, the most talented open source company in the world. Those are your very own words Sean, picked from your website. So some respect. I don't get your point here, Sean. Church-like respect is not what gets things done. Having dreams is great, but then comes the point where you need to wake up and deliver. OM2007.2 is there, just lets use and refine it. The Neo Freerunner is there, just lets use and refine it. Since November 2006 we hear: just a few more months. There is no reason to wait for FSO and seeing how chaotic development has been the past one and a half years I rather doubt that this will ever be anything usable. It is a lot more important to get a community of developers in here and a community of VAR (value added resellers). And it is a lot more important to build up an ecosystem. FSO is a questionable approach made by people with no industry experience, fresh from university. I have to repeat that I would strongly advise any third party developer to stay away from it. Revive OM2007.2, spend time, energy and money for building an ecosystem and get something out that others can build on. *Now*. Not in winter 2008 which then will be probaly summer 2009. Let your pet projects FSO/ASU run in parallel and once they are there, the world will be happy. Do it like the ASUS eeePC. They didn't set out to change the world and to compete with the MacBook Air. They have a rudimentary Linux System on it and people love it. Many people even go on with the simple interface while others reinstall their favourite system. And yet ASUS started a revolution. Not because they follow their own vision, but because they let people dream their own dreams. Sean, on the one hand you talk about empty vessels and museums, on the other hand fail to realize that it is already there. OM2007.2. Created by the most talented open source company. Staying in your metaphor of vessels I want to tell you: it is difficult to set it on the water and let it go. Don't make the mistake and let it sit on the dry until it is rotten. It is a venture to get out of your dreams and into the real world. Just lets do it. -- As the Steve (the person without a last name, who is in charge of the global marketing) has nice book suggestions, I recommend The Masterpiece of Emile Zola. It is about a painter (who bears biographical similarities with Paul Cezanne) who tries to paint his masterpiece and never comes to finish it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problems when upgrading the kernel with opkg / HELLO PLEASE NUKE BROKEN KERNEL PACKAGES
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Today's kernel package appears to be busted. As someone else pointed | out, it is only 1104 bytes long, which is such significantly better | compression than normal we can only be suspicious. | | Maybe someone can nuke this package... | | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/kernel-image-2.6.24_2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0_om-gta02.ipk | | | To fix it you can use dfu-util to reflash this kernel | | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080730/uImage-2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0-om-gta02.bin Useful advice, since a kernel package that trashes our device is evidently not important enough for anyone to remove it from our severs. Today's ipk is busted the same. kernel-image-2.6.24_2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0_om-gta02.ipk ~ 30-Jul-2008 02:21 1.1K The packages need *nuking* - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEUEARECAAYFAkiQHQkACgkQOjLpvpq7dMo8qwCYz2qPISDooAYCxGfSZVS43U44 MwCcD79TIYm3D+Fui5gTSpHsMBd4DFs= =3gGn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design
you seem very passionate about your concerns. If you are going to linux world I'd be happy to meet and discuss things. Or if you can make a list of specific problems I can try to explain or address your concerns. [reply off-list] ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld
I will not reply to comments like these in detail. You would not understand. -Sean Marcus Bauer wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 13:37 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 7/29/08 Marcus Bauer wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:33 -0700, steve wrote: Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed. The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit! The opposite is true. FSO forces you into ASU. It basically makes all work that has been put into OM2007.2 useless. Please stop telling these lies. Marcus You do realize who you are talking to? This is a childish question. This is person in charge of all of marketing for Openmoko. If he says, the point of something is... you should understand that he speaks for Openmoko. If he would be the pope, then I would understand that he speaks for the catholic church and when he says the point of something is... I would know he is infallible by definition. But if the marketing guy (not sales guy as he pointed out) makes wrong technical statements I have enough authority to correct them. (Simply go over to Wikipedia and check for the word meritocracy and its connection to open source.) And I allow myself to counter your question: Do you realize who *you* are talking to? I am part of your community and I have spent at least four full time months of development for YOUR system. And opposed to you I am not paid. If there is someone who should pay respect, how about you paying respect to me? You can say what you want about his ideas. But you have no basis whatsoever to say he's lieing. FSO has nothing to do with freeing people to pick their toolkit. OM2007.2 offers the phonekit and eds (evolution data server). Both already allow for dbus abstraction and this whole argument is stale. OpenedHand (the authors of OM2007.2) knew what they were doing: OpenedHand is, IMHO, the most talented open source company in the world. Those are your very own words Sean, picked from your website. So some respect. I don't get your point here, Sean. Church-like respect is not what gets things done. Having dreams is great, but then comes the point where you need to wake up and deliver. OM2007.2 is there, just lets use and refine it. The Neo Freerunner is there, just lets use and refine it. Since November 2006 we hear: just a few more months. There is no reason to wait for FSO and seeing how chaotic development has been the past one and a half years I rather doubt that this will ever be anything usable. It is a lot more important to get a community of developers in here and a community of VAR (value added resellers). And it is a lot more important to build up an ecosystem. FSO is a questionable approach made by people with no industry experience, fresh from university. I have to repeat that I would strongly advise any third party developer to stay away from it. Revive OM2007.2, spend time, energy and money for building an ecosystem and get something out that others can build on. *Now*. Not in winter 2008 which then will be probaly summer 2009. Let your pet projects FSO/ASU run in parallel and once they are there, the world will be happy. Do it like the ASUS eeePC. They didn't set out to change the world and to compete with the MacBook Air. They have a rudimentary Linux System on it and people love it. Many people even go on with the simple interface while others reinstall their favourite system. And yet ASUS started a revolution. Not because they follow their own vision, but because they let people dream their own dreams. Sean, on the one hand you talk about empty vessels and museums, on the other hand fail to realize that it is already there. OM2007.2. Created by the most talented open source company. Staying in your metaphor of vessels I want to tell you: it is difficult to set it on the water and let it go. Don't make the mistake and let it sit on the dry until it is rotten. It is a venture to get out of your dreams and into the real world. Just lets do it. -- As the Steve (the person without a last name, who is in charge of the global marketing) has nice book suggestions, I recommend The Masterpiece of Emile Zola. It is about a painter (who bears biographical similarities with Paul Cezanne) who tries to paint his masterpiece and never comes to finish it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design
About Jay, I apologize if I attached personally it, but he was attaching a lot of person of this ML, and it was not too much nice. I don't believe I attacked any one person specifically, personally, but okay .. lets move on. There is code to be written and new things to be talked about. All griping aside, it sure is fun to have a nice open pocket platform to code for, as stormy as this one is .. Now I wish you a very nice day, and happy programming ( or experimenting). Indeed! Moving on .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
planet.osm.bz2 is 4.2 gigs now, but that's why there are 8 gig microSD cards I guess. :-) Of course being unindexed XML you don't have time to parse and render that much data. Hmm .. that alongside mokopedia, and my 8gig card is *full* to the brim . Cool! :) Hey - maybe *this* is the killer app that puts moko ahead of the pack - a full, open, earth map, combined with the total information of mokopedia, *onboard*, being sold as far and as wide as our languages will allow .. *VERY* interesting! ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Nope. Can't compete against a TomTom or any other commercial Navi. But then there is no solution for the Neo: the screen is too small and the speaker too weak. Nevertheless it is quite often quite handy. I'm using it to navigate the streets of Vienna quite happily, Marcus .. it took me a bit of effort to get it set up to do so, but for the most part it works great. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: minimo (browser on freerunner)
arne anka wrote: i just built minimo and cellwriter for the freerunner (gta02), which went surprisingly well ... hi i bumped into another keyboard related issue with minimo. suddenly i couldnt erase nor overwrite the default URL and visit something else... this used to work! it seems that my (matchbox) keyboard freezes if the POWER CABLE is plugged in, unplugging the cable instantly solved the issue, just as plugging the cable back in re-freezes the keyboard. any ideas? can anyone else confirm this? //henrik -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/minimo-%28browser-on-freerunner%29-tp475497p641276.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
If you go read Morse Peckham's book http://www.amazon.com/Mans-Rage-Chaos-Biology-Behavior/dp/080520142 You will understand how museuems and gallery's function; and, Sean's words will strike you more deeply. Its all well and good when you're dealing with art students, but when you hope to sell 1,000 Freerunners as the base hardware platform for a multinational operation, it doesn't sell too well. Sorry. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
(We have external LNA) It means it can track with a 16dBm reduction in GPS signal after it made the satellite acquisitions. So if you understood it will get a fix OK with the software workaround, and we saw many people report this, you should expect the tracking phase to work better than the acquisition phase since the signal requirement is relaxed by 16dBm. My experience has proven that this is not the case; yes the fix happens sooner, but if SD I/O occurs during tracking phase, wild errors are still introduced into the GPS signal sufficient to drive us off the map. Just sayin', not trying to stir the pot. I've been testing this GPS fix every day since it arrived, by tracking my progress to work, and if I zoom too closely (meaning there is more SD I/O on map refreshes) the GPS goes wild. That'll be interesting. But in the real world many thing perturb GPS tracking and sophisticated software filters are anyway used to try to see through excursions, I guess this will be the case for typical SD Card usage pattern here. My ride to and from work is through a wide open space with no obstructions, lots of blue sky, and for sure .. SD I/O still massively impacts GPS *accuracy*. Not just in the acquisition phase, but also tracking .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
I would take this to mean that your current location drifts from the actual spot to places not quite where you are standing. Exactly. I will try to upload some logs (just discovered the /tmp change in tangogps, grr.. some test data has been lost) in the next few days that demonstrate this factor, just so its clear. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problems when upgrading the kernel with opkg / HELLO PLEASE NUKE BROKEN KERNEL PACKAGES
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:49:29 +0100 | Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Useful advice, since a kernel package that trashes our device is | evidently not important enough for anyone to remove it from our | severs. | | Hmm, but it was important enough for me to do a full rebuild to try and | fix the problem last night. Great, glad you are working on it. | Today's ipk is busted the same. | | kernel-image-2.6.24_2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0_om-gta02.ipk | ~ 30-Jul-2008 02:21 1.1K | | The packages need *nuking* | | No the packages need debugged, buildhost is *NOT* producing stable | builds by orders of my boss. So basically tough shit if the occasional | rogue packages eats your phone. Graeme, the packages need nuking while you debug the problem. You're right it is just unfortunate if a package gets autobuilt that takes a crap on the device and this will happen from time to time. But it is OUR FAULT if we leave it up there to keep crapping on as many devices as possible once we know about it. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiQJYQACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrOBwCfZ/I4H5KVgeiXtX7Uf0j33jp+ HdcAn1nztIFfUsL4ACCR7ffmRtZoswBu =LauR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problems when upgrading the kernel with opkg / HELLO PLEASE NUKE BROKEN KERNEL PACKAGES
Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Today's kernel package appears to be busted. As someone else pointed | out, it is only 1104 bytes long, which is such significantly better | compression than normal we can only be suspicious. | | Maybe someone can nuke this package... | | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/kernel-image-2.6.24_2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0_om-gta02.ipk removed. -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ppp support not in the kernel?
hi, i am trying to start a internet connection on the Freerunner over GPRS. for the start i looked into this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM and i'm aware that this pages are not ASU or Freerunner related. i have managed to get the free GSM line. if i try to start a connection via pppd i got this message: pppd: This system lacks kernel support for PPP. This could be because the PPP kernel module could not be loaded, or because PPP was not included in the kernel configuration. isn't that build in? alle the opkg kernel-module-ppp-* are installed. but there is no kernel-module-ppp ? what could i do? beni ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ringtone Question
My Freerunner hasn't arrived yet; when it does I'll check this out, it should be fairly easy to write a shell script which will convert any sound into a ringtone. It would be nice if there was an app on the phone itself to do it too... Chris. ___ Would be nice, indeed. My FR didn't arrive as well, but I was thinking in doing something the ringtone issue, although I dind't come out with the convert-any-sounf-in-ringtone idea. It would worth a try . -- Iker Berasaluce Departamento de Informatica Fulcrum SA ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What will the GTA03 have? and other quick questions...
There were some threads about this... and I spent about an hour reading them... but still don't know nothing for sure. All I hear is maybes :( This is more or less my wish list... So what will be in? 1) camera (decent one, 3MP or more) Will it be possible to record movies with sound? What resolution? 2) buttons on the damn thing :p SNES and GBx all the way :) Or at the very least, sell the GTA03 with an optional control pad: http://www.icontrolpad.com/ But try to make it as small as possible (maybe the control pad overlapping the case) so it doesn't get t big. 3) holder for a small plastic stylus. With an optinal string connecting both, so that if you drop it by chance it doesn't get lost forever in some crack to hell. If possible, keep this in mind if selling the icontrolpad thingy (so the stylus doesn't get trapped there). 4) GPS Will I be able to keep maps updated for free? Will it be possible to make use of google maps, in the sense of having the indications on how to get from A to B? 5) USB connector (USB 2.x), in order to connect the phone to the computer 6) WiFi 7) accelerometers 8) bluetooth 9) a cute chinese or japanese girl ^_^ Well, at least their phone numbers :p I heard about xv and glamo and what else... What I need to know is: Will I be able to watch videos or play games (with sound on both) at 640x480 resolution? What will the final price be? In Europe? And when will it be ready? You drive people crazy waiting for a final product with decent features (e.g. camera) I need a *working* new phone... yesterday :( (must... resist... iphone...) Maybe all this info should be on your wiki and wikipedia? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA Best wishes for everything! PLEASE CC ME in your reply. PS: suggestion for next phones: Dual-Sim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech/Nokia and QTopia on FR [...]
Aaron Sowry wrote: Knut Yrvin wrote: Hi Yaroslav and all the good contributors to Freerunner, I got a short answer on your second question :) On Tuesday 29. July 2008, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: another question (sorry if I missed answer in some of the threads) -- I wonder if you are the only person dedicated by Trolltech (or Nokia) to work on qtopia for openmoko? Holger Freyther was working on supporting Qtopia on OpenEmbedded paid by Trolltech for almost half a year, also benefiting the Freerunner effort. He is now contributing through OpenMoko, and I think he's doing a good job. We will increase our effort supporting free software. That will be expressed in actions instead of words. I'm planning to invite some of the heavy contributors using Qt in Freerunner to a round table session in Brisbane Australia. There are several things on the agenda, but it boils down to what Trolltech can improve. The only reason I as a community manger has not been faster, is all the work with the Nokia acquisition planning. When you include my usual travelling to free software events, there has been no time left to cover more bases. It is just interesting ;-) also it would be great if you could summarize in few words (if you feel like it) what are the future directions you and your team are going to accomplish for qtopia on FR? would be there a 'long term support' of any kind for qtopia on FR? Trolltech will further develop, improve and enhance Qtopia. When it comes to Freerunner, they are in charge for their plans and actions regarding software development. Of course there are cooperation with Trolltech engineering, community and some marketing activeties. And we are working on improvements there too. Personally I'm a fan of the Freerunner effort. When I got the opportunity, I've sponsored travels and accommodations for persons who present what can be done with Freerunner and Open Source on phones. Ole Tange was one of the speakers[1] at Open Nordic Mobile in June. He did a really good presentation of the Freerunner project and opportunities with free software on phones. 1. http://conference.ez.no/eng/Open-Nordic-Conference-2008/Program We have shown the prover of Qtopia with Neo 1973 since Open Source in Mobile September 2007. We also got a demo called Qt Everywhere with a touch screen program launcher using PictureFlow[2]. We are running that on Neo at all our trade shows and some of the free software events: 2. http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/PictureFlow?content=75348 Several people are working on the program for Mobile Developer Days 2008 (MDD) in Berlin 10-14 September (the conference will be from Sept 10-12, the weekend Sept 12-14 will be a code camp). Last year a couple of OpenEmbedded/Freerunner developers participated at MDD in Denmark. We hope that more can join this year in Berlin. I know more people will join from Nokia this year. 3. http://mobiledevices.kom.aau.dk/team_and_organization/events/mobile_developer_days_2008/ This was maybe not a short answer, but it shows that we are committed and really pleased with the progress of Freerunner and the use of Qtopia. The question now is when and how to organise our round table trip to Australia :) Best regards Knut Yrvin I very much appreciate the work Trolltech/Nokia have put in to the Qtopia release and the support which they have shown for the Freerunner project and open-source mobile in general - thank you, I always enjoy reading your posts on the mailing lists. I have a couple of questions - I read somewhere on the Openmoko wiki that (to paraphrase) enough of the Qtopia release is open-source that you can run it on the Freerunner without the proprietary components. Qtopia is 99.8% completely open source. Only some proprietary DRM components are not available. But who wants DRM anyway? I know Qt has gradually migrated to open licenses over the course of history, It was not really gradual at all. Qt has been GPL'd since Qt 2.2. but what is the current licensing status of the Freerunner Qtopia release? GPL. How much is open-source and how much is proprietary? Qtopia on the Neo is completely GPL. And if I can finish with a horribly vague question, how much of the open-source component of Qtopia is contributed back to the Openmoko project in a usable fashion (i.e. do the open-source components rely on a proprietary component None whatsoever. [or Qtopia-specific feature such as writing directly to framebuffer] to work and therefore are only open-source in the context of Qtopia development, or are they totally portable to ASU/FSO with little or no modification?) Yes. :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org
Re: Openmoko on Design
On 7/30/08 Jay Vaughan wrote: If you go read Morse Peckham's book http://www.amazon.com/Mans-Rage-Chaos-Biology-Behavior/dp/080520142 You will understand how museuems and gallery's function; and, Sean's words will strike you more deeply. Its all well and good when you're dealing with art students, but when you hope to sell 1,000 Freerunners as the base hardware platform for a multinational operation, it doesn't sell too well. Yes Jay. That is exactly the goal of this company. Sell 1,000 phones. They we all can retire. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which ATT data plans are compatible?
I'll try to follow some of other people's instructions (they seem to be scattered all over the place) and see if I can get it working on ATT. I've never tried this before, but if I should be so lucky, I'll create a step-by-step tutorial for others to follow (or maybe write a script to automate the process). I believe SettingsGUI has some features around this issue, so you might want to check into that and help out with that if its feasible .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What will the GTA03 have? and other quick questions...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | There were some threads about this... and I spent about an hour | reading them... but still don't know nothing for sure. | All I hear is maybes :( | | | This is more or less my wish list... So what will be in? 0) I'm gonna be pirate king! GOMU GOMU NO... leave the rest of the answers for someone else. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiQJ5QACgkQOjLpvpq7dMo2OACcCe1NwKyll0r7N8rX6us/DbOR yiwAnRRSV8JgYTGzSL/Ur/FRUyvxaHGd =0cRk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which ATT data plans are compatible?
I can do that, if my phone is connected to my home wireless network. Likewise, but it would be nice if we had some dyndns support pre- configured so that Freerunners everywhere could function, rightly so, as pocket-based web servers. I love the idea of being able to see, physically on the screen, whenever someone is downloading something from the webserver in my phone. This would be *Fantastic* for software delivery services for a new realm of independent developers .. ;) ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
2008/7/30 Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just sayin', not trying to stir the pot. I've been testing this GPS fix every day since it arrived, by tracking my progress to work, and if I zoom too closely (meaning there is more SD I/O on map refreshes) the GPS goes wild. Do you (all) have also the latest fixes from http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=stable , ie. kernel new enough to have fix-glamo-mci-set-default-drive-level-0.patch from 7 days ago? Just checking. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 16:07 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I will not reply to comments like these in detail. You would not understand. Well, we can start calling each other names here - and basically you are calling me retarded. That's fine with me, but next time do it off list. As you are the CEO, I'll try to explain my motivation for my emails a last time: * I have spent considerable amounts of time, doing unpaid development for Openmoko - namely tangoGPS. * I feel that the cooperation between Openmoko and its developer community can be vastly improved, based on the above experience * in the french 'silicon valley' (Sophia Antipolis) with 30.000 employees and 1.300 companies there is a similar sentiment If you think everything is perfect and I just don't and wont understand, so be it. Have a nice day anyway, and hopefully many many Neos will be produced - Marcus Bauer -- developer of tangoGPS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: problems when upgrading the kernel with opkg / HELLO PLEASE NUKE BROKEN KERNEL PACKAGES
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:49:29 +0100 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Useful advice, since a kernel package that trashes our device is evidently not important enough for anyone to remove it from our severs. Today's ipk is busted the same. kernel-image-2.6.24_2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0_om-gta02.ipk ~ 30-Jul-2008 02:21 1.1K Problem found and buildhost is currently crunching new ipk files. Graeme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU - opkg upgrade - is it possible to exclude some packages?
Is there a way to tell 'opkg upgrade' to upgrade everything except the kernel? you could set the package on hold opkg flag=hold packagename that should drevent updating the package, i'd think. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ASU - opkg upgrade - neod upgrade fails?
Hello, FreeRunner, with ASU on it. Doing an 'opkg upgrade' tody, I get this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade Multiple packages (kernel-2.6.24 and kernel-2.6.24) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (kernel-2.6.24 and kernel-2.6.24) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Upgrading neod on root from 0.1.0+svnr4336-r6 to 0.1.0+svnr4471-r6... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02//neod_0.1.0+svnr4471-r6_om-gta02.ipk Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for neod: * libpulse0 (= 0.9.10) * How do I fix it? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld
This is not at all what I meant. I will reply to you privately. -Sean ...thank you! *removes flak jacket* ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ppp support not in the kernel?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | isn't that build in? alle the opkg kernel-module-ppp-* are installed. | but there is no kernel-module-ppp ? | what could i do? We have it our defconfig CONFIG_PPP=m $ find . -name *.ko | grep ppp ./drivers/net/ppp_generic.ko ./drivers/net/ppp_synctty.ko ./drivers/net/ppp_async.ko ./drivers/net/ppp_deflate.ko ./drivers/net/ppp_mppe.ko I think this is OK, when I hook a 3G dongle to my laptop, I see this # lsmod | grep ppp ppp_generic32296 0 slhc 13440 1 ppp_generic there is no ppp master module. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiQLmgACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrfKACgjGeMnubl0x4awqabpP3Rvgpx FNMAn0fprsUppHg4WJtbzy9HvUV4MN7B =K2Du -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU - opkg upgrade - is it possible to exclude some packages?
Hi, On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Charles-Henri Gros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to tell 'opkg upgrade' to upgrade everything except the kernel? I just removed /etc/opkg/neo1973.conf Thanks! Well, that worked. Sort of: Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for neod: * libpulse0 (= 0.9.10) * I don't really see how it could be useful, and it takes care of this particular problem. I'm just worried that I will be removing something I need in the future. At a quick glance, that repository is the only one with kernels and kernel modules in it. -- Regards, Torfinn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What will the GTA03 have? and other quick questions...
Monkey D. Luffy wrote: There were some threads about this... and I spent about an hour reading them... but still don't know nothing for sure. All I hear is maybes :( This is more or less my wish list... So what will be in? My hardware wish list after owning the GTA02v5 for a week or so now: - A fast, dedicated graphic bus - GPS/uSD interference problem fixed - A case WITHOUT BEVELS for the touchscreen. Despite what the iPhone fanboys have been saying, I actually like the idea of a resistive touch screen rather than capacitive, as it allows you to use a stylus. This means you can maximise screen real-estate by having smaller icons etc. if you wish, but still use your finger if you prefer smudgy screens ;). Also, I am loving the Qtopia handwriting recognition which I couldn't imagine using without a stylus! - HW echo/GSM interference canceling, unless this can be addressed sufficiently in software - As you say, a place to store a small stylus. The main benefit (besides cost) of using a resistive touch screen is the ability to use a stylus - it should be assumed that people will be using one. - Longer battery life. Aaron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What will the GTA03 have? and other quick questions...
4) GPS Will I be able to keep maps updated for free? Will it be possible to make use of google maps, in the sense of having the indications on how to get from A to B? Check out OSM project http://www.openstreetmap.org/ They have a good thing going. /Robin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: minimo (browser on freerunner)
work! it seems that my (matchbox) keyboard freezes if the POWER CABLE is plugged in, unplugging the cable instantly solved the issue, just as plugging the cable back in re-freezes the keyboard. any ideas? can anyone else confirm this? don't use minimo until i get gprs up and running (i mostly need it to check time tables). does it happen with the charger only or everytime you connect usb? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia: GPRS (fwd)
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 06:38:15AM +1000, lpotter wrote:
The patch I backported to 4.3 in Qtopia is this:
// try opening Unix98 pseudo tty
if ((masterFd = ::open(/dev/ptmx, O_RDWR | O_NONBLOCK, 0)) = 0) {
if (grantpt(masterFd) == 0) {
if (unlockpt(masterFd) == 0) {
ptsname_r(masterFd, ttyname, BUFSIZ);
if ((slaveFd = ::open(ttyname, O_RDWR | O_NOCTTY, 0)) = 0)
return true;
}
}
::close(masterFd);
}
But it's not in the 20080730 snapshot. Depends on the function
prototype. If third argument is reference to pointer to char. Otherwise
ttyname is not available outside createPseudoTty() although it is used
later to be passed to pppd.
Anyway, so many things regarding GPRS beyond this are not working
properly. Would be interesting to know what has been done in 4.4. ;)
It's just no use looking into this in 4.3 now, when things might have
been corrected already in 4.4.
Ole
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Re: ppp support not in the kernel?
Benedikt Schindler wrote: hi, i am trying to start a internet connection on the Freerunner over GPRS. for the start i looked into this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM and i'm aware that this pages are not ASU or Freerunner related. i have managed to get the free GSM line. if i try to start a connection via pppd i got this message: pppd: This system lacks kernel support for PPP. This could be because the PPP kernel module could not be loaded, or because PPP was not included in the kernel configuration. isn't that build in? alle the opkg kernel-module-ppp-* are installed. but there is no kernel-module-ppp ? what could i do? beni PPP will work nice without in-kernel support. Is ppp in kernel needed on Freerunner? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openphone + opensettopbox = ?
On 29 Jul 2008, at 23:57, JW wrote: ok someone cleverer than me will do something cool with this and their freerunner at some point http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080729-neuros-open-set-top- platform-puts-linux-in-living-rooms.html As I read it, the Neuros hardware isn't that good. It'll only record standard-definition stuff from composite input, which altogether is about the least-optimal scenario for quality of video input. It'd probably be fine as a simple way to recording a VHS to a digital file to play on your iPod or PSP; this analogue hole overcomes the legal issues of DCSS when ripping a DVD, but that's about the only benefit (and a nebulous one, IMO). I guess it's simple for your granny to use. As I read it, the Neuros hardware requires a set-top box for recording TV, again with these concerns over video quality. It looks like Neuros may be concentrating on doing things this way because they're chiefly interested in this TI DSP chip, but for the rest of us there are lots of proper set-top boxes and digital video recorders. If you want an *open* set-top box that'll actually directly record digital TV then MythTV is much more interesting. You can find plenty of small, quiet PCs that are just as good as Neros' cute little box for living room use, and with MythTV you can record hi-def. There are lots of ways you could converge Openmoko and MythTV. Already you can connect to a webserver on your Myth box and schedule a recording (say if you're in the pub and your friend tells you I'm videoing the first episode of this series which starts tonight - it looks cool). Last time I checked (6 months ago?) progress was well underway for flash-based (YouTube-style) playback of your recorded shows; I think this is the best way for watching recorded video when you're away from home. At this time of the morning my imagination isn't yet ramped up to full speed, but for doing cool stuff with TV your cellphone I think MythTV is a batter partner to Openmoko. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
ti, 2008-07-29 kello 20:53 +0200, Marcus Bauer kirjoitti: I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing this will take at least five more years, probably ten. That's probably true _if you drive a car_ (though even for that it can be a handy help, especially in areas that don't happen to have lots of turn restrictions, though you of course don't want to just blindly drive listening to it anyway). Us others want navigation too and are considerably less hampered by OSM's current lackings. 'course, there are other projects than TangoGPS, but it seems otherwise nice so one would like it to include this as well. As long as I'm not coding it, it's not my call, of course :] PS: Kudos for your work and all, but with all your hyperbole, jumping to conclusions, accusations of lying and stuff, you might want to take a step back for a breather if you want, you know, people to bother to listen to you instead of just wanting to rant wildly. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which ATT data plans are compatible?
Jay Vaughan wrote, On 30/07/08 09:37: I can do that, if my phone is connected to my home wireless network. Likewise, but it would be nice if we had some dyndns support pre- configured so that Freerunners everywhere could function, rightly so, as pocket-based web servers. I love the idea of being able to see, physically on the screen, whenever someone is downloading something from the webserver in my phone. This would be *Fantastic* for software delivery services for a new realm of independent developers .. ;) Great idea, but might be hit or miss on GPRS networks. e.g. O2 in the UK seem to block ALL incoming connections to GPRS devices, only allowing outbound ones from the GPRS device. Bit of a pain in the application I was using them in. -- Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
On 7/30/08 Jay Vaughan wrote: If you go read Morse Peckham's book http://www.amazon.com/Mans-Rage-Chaos-Biology-Behavior/dp/080520142 You will understand how museuems and gallery's function; and, Sean's words will strike you more deeply. Its all well and good when you're dealing with art students, but when you hope to sell 1,000 Freerunners as the base hardware platform for a multinational operation, it doesn't sell too well. Yes Jay. That is exactly the goal of this company. Sell 1,000 phones. They we all can retire. Come on now. If OM can only respond with hostile ad hominems to IMHO valid critisism, then I fear for the life of this 'community'. Without solid leadership this community will fragment (which, to some degree, it already has) and lose momentum. And that is hard to regain. And to stay with the museum/gallery metaphor; If you don't use high quality paint and canvas, it'll all fade away quickly. Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:
On Wednesday 30 July 2008, Lynn Nguyen wrote: Hi all! Well, I'm a little new to this (as I'm sure everybody says when they are posting for the first time), but I was wondering, how can I free up space on the neo? Are there any packages that are not necessary? I somehow find myself using up 99% of space after doing an 'upgrade'. I would like to install a bunch of python modules to run pyroute (has anyone has any luck with that so far?) but I keep running out of space. When I try installing the modules onto an sd card, I run out of space there as well. Do python modules normally take up over 400mb of space? Any help would be greatly appreciated! I've not tried pyroute yet. I've done the opkg upgrade several times and have a number of python packages installed, but I'm nowhere near 99% used. I suspect something else may have been eating into your space, but you only became aware of it after the opkg upgrade. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on rootfs 252544 86420166124 34% / /dev/root 252544 86420166124 34% / tmpfs 40 040 0% /mnt/.exquisite /dev/root 252544 86420166124 34% /dev/.static/dev udev 204872 1976 4% /dev /dev/mmcblk0p1 495168123296371872 25% /media/card tmpfs63108 300 62808 0% /var/volatile tmpfs6310848 63060 0% /dev/shm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg list_installed |grep python libpython2.5-1.0 - 2.5.2-ml4 - python-codecs - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-core - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-dbus - 0.82.4-ml4 - python-fcntl - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-io - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-lang - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-logging - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-math - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-pickle - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-pycairo - 1.4.0-ml1 - python-pygobject - 2.14.2-r0 - python-pygtk - 2.10.4-ml8 - python-pyserial - 2.2-r2 - python-re - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-readline - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-shell - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-stringold - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-subprocess - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-threading - 2.5.2-ml0 - python-xml - 2.5.2-ml1 - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
Yes Jay. That is exactly the goal of this company. Sell 1,000 phones. They we all can retire. -Sean wtf? you're ridiculing a single order of 1,000 phones being placed at one time by an enthusiastic customer? sheesh. what sort of CEO are you? *all* orders, large and small, are worth the effort, or is that not true? i suggest you think about this a little. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
Yes Jay. That is exactly the goal of this company. Sell 1,000 phones. They we all can retire. wtf? you're ridiculing a single order of 1,000 phones being placed at one time by an enthusiastic customer? sheesh. what sort of CEO are you? chill. only a misunderstanding probably -- you were talking about a single order of 1.000 phones, sean was obviously understanding an overall sale of 1.000 phones (and so did i). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marcus Bauer wrote: * I have spent considerable amounts of time, doing unpaid development for Openmoko - namely tangoGPS. This give you a lot of honor, and if until now I avoid to reply to you was also for this fact. * I feel that the cooperation between Openmoko and its developer community can be vastly improved, based on the above experience * in the french 'silicon valley' (Sophia Antipolis) with 30.000 employees and 1.300 companies there is a similar sentiment You can not to speack also for around 30.000 persons. If you think everything is perfect and I just don't and wont understand, so be it. Marcus the problem is this: Every person can have own ideas. I have mine, you yours, openmoko their, etc etc. When the ideas are different is important how to discuss about it. Freerunner is nice because every person can apply his idea trasforming it to code. What you did, ultil now was only to make polemics about decision token by openmoko, and to say they are liers. And this did me sad, because I am sure you are a very good developer and you can trasform all you ideas in wonderful code. Making a lot of polemics, will trasform us in politician, not in developer. So, if you feel, make your idea code, but please let Openmoko free to follow their. Have you a nice day - - Michele Renda - -- developer of nothing Have a nice day anyway, and hopefully many many Neos will be produced - Marcus Bauer -- developer of tangoGPS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiQOwMACgkQSIAU/I6SkT2JJwCeLgaRszOYLmYb+KBACGBWFl+5 YYgAoI6zOKH4BxcG+lQi8ARg7s3Ia+BL =RGkc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
On 7/30/08 Jay Vaughan wrote: Yes Jay. That is exactly the goal of this company. Sell 1,000 phones. They we all can retire. -Sean wtf? you're ridiculing a single order of 1,000 phones being placed at one time by an enthusiastic customer? sheesh. what sort of CEO are you? *all* orders, large and small, are worth the effort, or is that not true? i suggest you think about this a little. Jay, give me a break. It was a joke. You chide me for selling to art students. Can't I poke a bit of fun, too? ;-) No hard feelings man. Seriously. Let's all get on with our day. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
On 7/30/08 arne anka wrote: Yes Jay. That is exactly the goal of this company. Sell 1,000 phones. They we all can retire. wtf? you're ridiculing a single order of 1,000 phones being placed at one time by an enthusiastic customer? sheesh. what sort of CEO are you? chill. only a misunderstanding probably -- you were talking about a single order of 1.000 phones, sean was obviously understanding an overall sale of 1.000 phones (and so did i). Yeah it was a misunderstanding then. That's exactly what I was referring to. Too many emails :-) Only a joke Jay. Nothing personal. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
uboot versions or a changelog?
Is there a list of uboot versions or a changelog? I would like to see what changes have been done from that shipped with 2007.2? BillK -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld
On Wed, July 30, 2008 9:07 am, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I will not reply to comments like these in detail. You would not understand. Sean: Ad homen attacks aside, you need to respond in public to Marcus's substantive points. He is an important community developer, and he is expressing real issues that are widely felt. Tango GPS is a killer application for OpenMoko, and if we loose it, then we substantially weaken the platform, you should think very carefully before burning that bridge. I dont think it was helpful for him to insult you, I guess he was angry, but regardless his points about getting a working platform now are important. You want to build up a community around OpenMoko, from which you hope will flow lots of useful applications. You where very successful in doing that before the hardware was released, but now that it has, and thousands of enthusiast have put down a months rent on a unit of hardware there is widespread frustration. None of us expected an iPhone like polished and fully integrated software stack, but we did expect a developer friendly platform with some basic functionality that would mostly work. Instead the software distributions are forked 5 ways, and none of them work. I am sure I am not the only person who is disinclined to put any effort into finding or fixing the many bugs because I have no idea which distributions will emerge from the mess. You hope that the community to come up with lots of useful applets and full applications, to run on the first open cell phone. For that to happen most people will be 'scratching an itch' The problem is that they will not chose to use an OpenMoko to scratch that itch unless they are carrying it with them, which won't happen until basic phone functionality is working, and most enthusiasts are carrying their OpenMoko as their personal phone. The Wiki and Mailing lists are absolutely brimming with ideas, many of which would be quick to code in a scripting language, but none of this will happen until the basics are there. As Marcus says, the staff a OpenMoko need to put FSO/ASU aside for a while at least and refocus on getting working phone functionality from OM2007.2 as soon as possible. All the design docs are already there on the Wiki and have been for 18 months, it just needs implementing. Once the ecosystem has been started properly you can spend time if you must on your blue sky projects with their clever design. -- David Pottage Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld
Ad homen attacks aside, you need to respond in public to Marcus's substantive points. [as lot of the sensible remarks] +1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: minimo (browser on freerunner)
arne anka wrote: don't use minimo until i get gprs up and running (i mostly need it to check time tables). does it happen with the charger only or everytime you connect usb? It happens both with the AC charger and the usb-cable. Intrestingly it doesn't freeze the keyboard when using i.e. the terminal, however it messes up the key-bindings e.g.: With usb plugged in: the minus key - outputs a backslash \ the } outputs a ∼ with usb unplugged the signs are output correctly! seems that the usb port/drivers are interfering with the matchbox-keyboard :) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/minimo-%28browser-on-freerunner%29-tp475497p642074.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld
David Pottage wrote, On 30/07/08 11:07: None of us expected an iPhone like polished and fully integrated software stack, but we did expect a developer friendly platform with some basic functionality that would mostly work. Strangely enough, I didn't. Not having read the mailing list, looked at the wiki. I expected a h/w platform that mostly worked and software that basically didn't. Instead the software distributions are forked 5 ways, and none of them work. That *is* the main problem. I am sure I am not the only person who is disinclined to put any effort into finding or fixing the many bugs because I have no idea which distributions will emerge from the mess. That pretty much sums up my position. You hope that the community to come up with lots of useful applets and full applications, to run on the first open cell phone. For that to happen most people will be 'scratching an itch' The problem is that they will not chose to use an OpenMoko to scratch that itch unless they are carrying it with them, which won't happen until basic phone functionality is working, and most enthusiasts are carrying their OpenMoko as their personal phone. I'm currently carrying it as my personal phone, but it will very quickly become my secondary phone, until the basic phone stuff works. I'll still carry it though. The Wiki and Mailing lists are absolutely brimming with ideas, many of which would be quick to code in a scripting language, but none of this will happen until the basics are there. As Marcus says, the staff a OpenMoko need to put FSO/ASU aside for a while at least and refocus on getting working phone functionality from OM2007.2 as soon as possible. Maybe I've *completely* misunderstood something here, but I thought that the ASU effort was to get an interim phone working asap using the qtopia apps because they are better than the GMAE ones (is that just a perception?). i.e. all the work going into ASU *is* to get a functional phone. So my question remains: why ASU and not OM2007 (GMAE)? -- Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ppp support not in the kernel?
Andy Green schrieb: # lsmod | grep ppp ppp_generic32296 0 slhc 13440 1 ppp_generic there is no ppp master module. - -And was my fault. the problem is not a missing module. The problem is i have the wrong version. My installed modules are not compatible with my running kernel. (mixed up neo-modules with a freerunner-kernel ... bad idea ;) ) sorry for that. thx. P.S.: In most times the error is sitting in front of the device P.P.S.: Damm. And just now there is the broken kernel in the daily buildhost. allways the same :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld
On 7/30/08 David Pottage wrote: On Wed, July 30, 2008 9:07 am, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I will not reply to comments like these in detail. You would not understand. Sean: Ad homen attacks aside, you need to respond in public to Marcus's substantive points. He is an important community developer, and he is expressing real issues that are widely felt. Tango GPS is a killer application for OpenMoko, and if we loose it, then we substantially weaken the platform, you should think very carefully before burning that bridge. It was never my intention to burn bridges. I was only reacting to his Steve's a liar post. If you really want this public, here is what I said: -- Marcus Email can be a very poor medium to exchange words. You took my do you know who you're talking with email the wrong way. All I wanted to say is that Steve represents the ideas of this project. So if he says something, even if it's technically not the reality of codebase, you can't say he's lying. He knows the direction we're going. So maybe he's starting to talk about this more publicly. Which should be a good thing. Lying: That's a very strong accusation. No personal disrespect was meant to you. I really like the work you did on TangoGPS. My apologies. Peace? -- This particular list, over last few days, has just been too emotionally-charged for my tastes. I'll be silent for a bit and catch up reading new messages over the weekend when I fly again. Hopefully things calm down by then. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ppp support not in the kernel?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Andy Green schrieb: | # lsmod | grep ppp | ppp_generic32296 0 | slhc 13440 1 ppp_generic | | there is no ppp master module. | | - -And | | was my fault. the problem is not a missing module. | The problem is i have the wrong version. | My installed modules are not compatible with my running kernel. | (mixed up neo-modules with a freerunner-kernel ... bad idea ;) ) | | sorry for that. | | thx. | | P.S.: In most times the error is sitting in front of the device | P.P.S.: Damm. And just now there is the broken kernel in the daily | buildhost. allways the same :) Ha, sorry about it. We must stop bad modules being accepted by the kernel. If the packaging will use the git hash patch in EXTRAVERSION it will be good. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiQR24ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqq3ACeOZbTGHLhJATXTld7SnDFFmY7 cmsAn0SbV69K4xgTAaKdJOE5ukX8IyCc =7DBV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech/Nokia and QTopia on FR [...]
How much is open-source and how much is proprietary? Qtopia on the Neo is completely GPL. And if I can finish with a horribly vague question, how much of the open-source component of Qtopia is contributed back to the Openmoko project in a usable fashion (i.e. do the open-source components rely on a proprietary component None whatsoever. [or Qtopia-specific feature such as writing directly to framebuffer] to work and therefore are only open-source in the context of Qtopia development, or are they totally portable to ASU/FSO with little or no modification?) Yes. :) Excellent. Until this constant bickering ceases on the mailing lists I will be using and developing for the Qtopia platform which so far seems to be setting the pace as far as usable software platforms are concerned. For those who aren't aware, there is a very good Qtopia SDK especially for the Neo architecture available from the Qtopia website. Many thanks, Aaron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What to say... free software is done by open passions :) And we deeply like it :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiQSPQACgkQSIAU/I6SkT3JIACgnm+H1NZ2r29PMTjZrgmeo66Y d5oAn2y71vH/1F9XdfKmkZ6L8rx+RAPT =OO67 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone got a confirmation by pulster?
kazaam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pulster got new phones on 25.07. Has anyone of those who already paid for the phone got a message that their phone is already sent to them? mine arrived on monday. afaik, it was also one of the 25th of july stock. i was part of an 10 piece order, though, if that matters. best regards ... clemens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
bitbake and patches
Hi, I am trying to create a bb recipe. I check out the sources I need per svn and need to apply some patches afterwars (copying files over to the svn tree). The patches (=new files) are sitting side by side within the same dir as the bb file. During do_patch there is no pointer to the directory with the bb files. How do I get my patches to the destination path with do_patch() ? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
Yeah it was a misunderstanding then. That's exactly what I was referring to. Too many emails :-) Only a joke Jay. Nothing personal. okay, so please consider this .. i have a customer with the potential to place an order for 1,000 phones. when do you propose i go to them and close the deal? ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ppp support not in the kernel?
We must stop bad modules being accepted by the kernel. If the packaging will use the git hash patch in EXTRAVERSION it will be good. the question i have is this: who is making the decisions about what goes into the kernel, modules-wise and built-in wise? the reason i have this question is that i very badly want to add more gadget_* style drivers to the openmoko base, so that we can for example use it as a storage device, or ethernet, or audio/midi device, or heck .. even as a gadget HID device .. so how do we go about arranging things with the 'kernel guy' whoever that is, to allow this change? ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner availability in UK and Europe
Hi all, We've managed to secure some more Freerunners from Openmoko, which we expect to be shipping on or around 26th August. If you want one, grab it from the url below - previously we have sold out within a couple of days of opening up the store so get them while you can ! https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko Best regards, Antony. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ppp support not in the kernel?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | We must stop bad modules being accepted by the kernel. If the | packaging | will use the git hash patch in EXTRAVERSION it will be good. | | | the question i have is this: who is making the decisions about what | goes into the kernel, modules-wise and built-in wise? Largely me. But the packaging action is done elsewhere. | the reason i have this question is that i very badly want to add more | gadget_* style drivers to the openmoko base, so that we can for | example use it as a storage device, or ethernet, or audio/midi device, | or heck .. even as a gadget HID device .. so how do we go about | arranging things with the 'kernel guy' whoever that is, to allow this | change? I read about it, I am sympathetic to it, give me some time to clear some other critical problems. I did wonder if anyone is mounting NFS over it and that is why it is a built-in. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiQV4MACgkQOjLpvpq7dMr+MQCfW9K05hZZJgiGPudbAREhlDUJ 4HsAnRlL5LWYFGscOiR1rWzgZYkeJqZ3 =u6Yi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Setting the wake-up on specific time
Is it possible to notify kernel that I want the wake-up on specific hour? Regards -- I've probably left my head... somewhere. Please wait untill I find it. Homepage (pl_PL): http://uzytkownik.jogger.pl/ (GNU/)Linux User: #425935 (see http://counter.li.org/) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Just sayin', not trying to stir the pot. I've been testing this GPS | fix every day since it arrived, by tracking my progress to work, and | if I zoom too closely (meaning there is more SD I/O on map refreshes) | the GPS goes wild. | | That'll be interesting. But in the real world many thing perturb GPS | tracking and sophisticated software filters are anyway used to try to | see through excursions, I guess this will be the case for typical SD | Card usage pattern here. | | My ride to and from work is through a wide open space with no | obstructions, lots of blue sky, and for sure .. SD I/O still massively | impacts GPS *accuracy*. Not just in the acquisition phase, but also | tracking .. We're not done with what we can do to mitigate it in software. These guys should be in tomorrow's kernel. http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=00e20ff234e6d35a6df7e86c043fdda7da06bf04 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=792fb6dd55c282de25005a1399ffaa084ece4b1c http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d8e14dc4253f3921aff1bbbeb3caf073aa6a7b2 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4b28ec4e2818207cc0e48b90dbce581e0b779e7 - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiQWDIACgkQOjLpvpq7dMru7wCgjs6cWTAi+NDEKLkGmU6Fa5aq 4jMAn2yuyLjsVCEDcIawQF7MkXa34zMK =Zrxt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: minimo (browser on freerunner)
On Wednesday 30 July 2008, henrikz wrote: arne anka wrote: i just built minimo and cellwriter for the freerunner (gta02), which went surprisingly well ... hi i bumped into another keyboard related issue with minimo. suddenly i couldnt erase nor overwrite the default URL and visit something else... this used to work! it seems that my (matchbox) keyboard freezes if the POWER CABLE is plugged in, unplugging the cable instantly solved the issue, just as plugging the cable back in re-freezes the keyboard. any ideas? can anyone else confirm this? //henrik Confirmed with 2007.2 and matchbox keyboard. In minimo if the PSU cable is plugged in the keyboard will not enter URLs. When I first tried this with USB it worked, but having then connected to the PSU to verify the problem then switched back to USB it no longer works that way either. If I switch to the terminal the keyboard works as expected with PSU or USB plugged in. Note that 'as expected' includes the known bug that changes some of the keyboard input when USB is plugged in. Curiously when minimo was working with usb plugged in it exhibited this problem for the first keypress, but subsequent key presses were correct. I noted this because t struck me as odd, but since it now doesn't work at all with USB I have been unable to repeat it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Jay Vaughan wrote: My ride to and from work is through a wide open space with no obstructions, lots of blue sky, and for sure .. SD I/O still massively impacts GPS *accuracy*. Not just in the acquisition phase, but also tracking .. That's strange. I didn't test GPS too much, but for example today I launched TangoGPS when driving to work. I zoomed in (but not to maximum) and took track log. First of all, it got fix from 11 satellites (out of 14 visible) very quickly. Track is very accurate (no jump-offs the road) in the city. Earlier I used Garmin GPS60 and tracks from it were way worse than from FR. I used today's kernel and u-boot. BR, Pawel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: minimo (browser on freerunner)
henrikz wrote: arne anka wrote: does it happen with the charger only or everytime you connect usb? It happens both with the AC charger and the usb-cable. Intrestingly it doesn't freeze the keyboard when using i.e. the terminal, however it messes up the key-bindings e.g.: With usb plugged in: the minus key - outputs a backslash \ the } outputs a ∼ with usb unplugged the signs are output correctly! seems that the usb port/drivers are interfering with the matchbox-keyboard :) I experienced the - outputting \ a few days ago and didn't realize it was related to the cable being connected, but I'm sure I had the cable connected at the time. Nice find. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech/Nokia and QTopia on FR [...]
For those who aren't aware, there is a very good Qtopia SDK especially for the Neo architecture available from the Qtopia website. but no eclipse plugin so far. it was huge relief to get a plugin for qt finally, i am not sure i am willing to go through it again. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Anyone got a confirmation by pulster? [Fwd: Re: Auto-USB-Adapter]
Hy openmoko freaks, I got a mail from pulster, my FR shoult delivered this week. christian Weitergeleitete Nachricht Von: Christoph Pulster [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: Auto-USB-Adapter Datum: 30 Jul 2008 11:52:00 +0200 Hallo, hier eine kurze Infomail: ihre Bestellung ist notiert, die gewuenschten Artikel gehen so schnell wie moeglich via Post-DHL Paket an Sie. ZAHLUNG ERHALTEN, Lieferung diese Woche ! Ich melde mich dann nocheinmal. Soweit erst einmal vielen Dank ! Akkulader PKW und SD Karten haben wir noch nicht, Emfpehlungen sind sehr herzlich willkommen ! Christoph Pulster _ P|U|L|S|T|E|R - Organiser Shop - Openmoko Psion Banaterweg 5, 69181 Leimen, Germany Tel 01805 - 785 783 Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax 01803 - 551 809 858 Web www.Pulster.de _ -- mfg/br, christian weßel Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Jay Vaughan wrote: | My ride to and from work is through a wide open space with no | obstructions, lots of blue sky, and for sure .. SD I/O still massively | impacts GPS *accuracy*. Not just in the acquisition phase, but also | tracking .. | | That's strange. I didn't test GPS too much, but for example today I | launched | TangoGPS when driving to work. I zoomed in (but not to maximum) and took | track log. First of all, it got fix from 11 satellites (out of 14 | visible) very quickly. | Track is very accurate (no jump-offs the road) in the city. Earlier I | used Garmin | GPS60 and tracks from it were way worse than from FR. | | I used today's kernel and u-boot. That's pretty encouraging, thanks. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiQWkYACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpBcwCdGawNO1luB74buwBglSovvt3A uxMAoIZmhcB899sx7GP4TVMiOjtwyAq8 =Kdkw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
numptyphysics ipk
Hi all, the first build for the ipk for numptyphysics can be grabbed here: http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk For usage etc. see the project home page: http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphysics ipk
Thanks a lot, it works ! I just did not found how to go to next/previous level ... Mike Michael Kluge a écrit : Hi all, the first build for the ipk for numptyphysics can be grabbed here: http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk For usage etc. see the project home page: http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphysics ipk
Mine installs but refuses to load: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# numptyphysics numptyphysics: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# Anyone got any hints? Cheers, Joseph 2008/7/30 Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks a lot, it works ! I just did not found how to go to next/previous level ... Mike Michael Kluge a écrit : Hi all, the first build for the ipk for numptyphysics can be grabbed here: http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk For usage etc. see the project home page: http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ASU - startup broken by upgrade?
Hello, It seems that today's 'opkg upgrade' broke the startup on my FreeRunner (I'm using ASU). /etc/init.d/rc complain that it can't find splash-write. Has anyone else seen this? Further investigation shows that it is a broken link now: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# which splash-write [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# file /usr/bin/splash-write /usr/bin/splash-write: broken symbolic link to `/usr/bin/exquisite-write.sh' [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ll /usr/bin/splash-write /usr/bin/exquisite-write.sh ls: /usr/bin/exquisite-write.sh: No such file or directory lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 27 Jul 23 09:38 /usr/bin/splash-write - /usr/bin/exquisite-write.sh@ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# Perhaps it got changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# which exquisite-write /usr/bin/exquisite-write Ok, I'll fix the broken link so splash-write now points to exquisite-write. We'll see if that fixes everything. Nope, it didn't.. Seems the Xserevr doesn't tart up. Her is the contents of /tmp/x.log: -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# more /tmp/x.log _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6 _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/om-gta02:0 _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6 (II) verbosity set to 5 Using GLAMO 3362 card (II) Screen: 16/16 depth/bpp (II) vram size:4194304, onscreen vram size:614400, offscreen vram size:3579904 (II) initialising offscreen pixmaps Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 637 in kinput.c D-BUS per-session daemon address is: unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-WqAYGaR9LT,guid=34e024cf41e115d377de317848900b44 [settings daemon] Forking. run with -n to prevent fork enlightenment: symbol lookup error: enlightenment: undefined symbol: ECORE_X_ATOM_E_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD_STATE run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xXWindowManager exited with code 127 waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE built-ins refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphysics ipk
Ignore me... OPKG to the rescue. This game is awesome! That's the end of my working day! 2008/7/30 Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mine installs but refuses to load: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# numptyphysics numptyphysics: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# Anyone got any hints? Cheers, Joseph 2008/7/30 Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks a lot, it works ! I just did not found how to go to next/previous level ... Mike Michael Kluge a écrit : Hi all, the first build for the ipk for numptyphysics can be grabbed here: http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk For usage etc. see the project home page: http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphysics ipk
numptyphysics: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory sdl installed? maybe the ipkg does not define a dependency on libsdl, so it is not pulled in automatically ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
Jay Vaughan wrote: (We have external LNA) It means it can track with a 16dBm reduction in GPS signal after it made the satellite acquisitions. So if you understood it will get a fix OK with the software workaround, and we saw many people report this, you should expect the tracking phase to work better than the acquisition phase since the signal requirement is relaxed by 16dBm. My experience has proven that this is not the case; yes the fix happens sooner, but if SD I/O occurs during tracking phase, wild errors are still introduced into the GPS signal sufficient to drive us off the map. I can confirm such experience. Usually GPS track is very good however from time to time (usually when tangogps is reading tiles) it looks like it's receiving invalid data and the GPS really goes wild. I have to admit that the GPS works really well and I've seen Paweł Kowalak's track which was awesomely accurate! I hope that those tomorrow's patches will make the GPS experience even more enjoyable. Thanks for the great work. -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphysics ipk
That was it exactly. Expect a post on my blog soon about the most enjoyable use of the rollup rubber keyboard found to date. :D 2008/7/30 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: numptyphysics: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory sdl installed? maybe the ipkg does not define a dependency on libsdl, so it is not pulled in automatically ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
illume keyboard button (was Openmoko on Design)
Dear community and OM Powers That Be, I have read the Openmoko on Design thread with a certain alienation. I'll try to resist the temptation to pick up one of the many flame baits, but even after sleeping it over for a night, I feel inclined to comment on the issue here. First, I think that the complaints of users about the phone should know when it expects keyboard input, and automatically bring up the keyboard are right. The work going into this direction is correct. However, there are situations when a manual override is needed. The automatic detection could be wrong, for instance. But much more important: the user could be in a situation where keyboard input is theoretically possible, but not currently desired, because the keyboard is taking away screen real estate. This happened to me yesterday, when I was sitting in the train, and reading some code using the terminal application. So, in my opinion, the decision to remove the button is incorrect. Even more so, the strong reaction of the users should have been an indication that the decision was incorrect. It's always a good idea to listen to your users. It has been said that, since OpenMoko is an open project, the community has the chance to come up with a different solution. Now let's take a look at what the community (read: folks who actually write code instead of participating in lengthy discussions) did, the day the button was removed from illume: http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=blob;f=packages/openmoko-projects/illume/configure-keyboard.patch;h=589fe53f38afc59be95a13ed67a9f9d1fc452148;hb=HEAD They re-enabled the feature in their branch, and went on with their life. However, the patch stopped applying this morning, and I had to lock down illume to r170. Raster: if you could make the keyboard button a configuration option, as in the above patch, you'd make me and a couple of other people happy. Thanks in advance. Andreas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Setting the wake-up on specific time
Maciej Piechotka wrote: Is it possible to notify kernel that I want the wake-up on specific hour? Hello. You might want to check out this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/000442.html Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Setting the wake-up on specific time
Lech Karol Pawłaszek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maciej Piechotka wrote: Is it possible to notify kernel that I want the wake-up on specific hour? Hello. You might want to check out this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/000442.html Kind regards, Ok. I'll have to look on RTC ioctl DBus interface. Regards -- I've probably left my head... somewhere. Please wait untill I find it. Homepage (pl_PL): http://uzytkownik.jogger.pl/ (GNU/)Linux User: #425935 (see http://counter.li.org/) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Setting the wake-up on specific time
2008/7/30 Maciej Piechotka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok. I'll have to look on RTC ioctl DBus interface. If you figure it out - please document it on the wiki, and report what you have done here. Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphysics ipk
numptyphysics: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory sdl installed? maybe the ipkg does not define a dependency on libsdl, so it is not pulled in automatically ... Exactly. You need sdl and sdl-image. I build the ipk myself without bitbake, so that's probably why this piece is missing. I'll try to streamline things when the landscape bug is fixed. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphysics ipk
http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk For usage etc. see the project home page: http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org Awesome! Great to see some fun on the Freerunner! ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
We're not done with what we can do to mitigate it in software. These guys should be in tomorrow's kernel. okay i'll continue testing and logging in the meantime .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Request for Help: SYSTEMS fair 21th-24th October in Munich, Germany
Hi all in Munich, Bavaria, Germany (or anywhere else who wants to visit Munich in October): We can get a small booth (12 sqm somewhere near IBM) at the SYSTEMS fair in the PERSPEKTIVE OPEN SOURCE area. http://www.systems.de/ http://www.systems.de/de/Home/besucher/themen/themenueberblick#20135120 http://www.systems.de/link/de/20155618#20155618 For further planning, I need * people who want to help planning * people who want to staff the booth * ideas what to present * potential sponsors (my company is willing to do some sponsoring but probably not all) Please write me your ideas. Nikolaus Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Marcus Bauer wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 16:47 +0200, Tilman Baumann wrote: Well, i like tangoGPS very much. But it is hardly a comprehensive solution. First it's only a tile viewer for online maps. No routing, no offline maps. I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing this will take at least five more years, probably ten. For all practical purposes the tile pre-caching works well. And in some hindsights tiles are far superior to vector data. Have a look at maps-for-free terrain or openpistemap terrain maps: no chance to keep all this data on a mobile device and no chance to generate maps on the fly, not even with a quad-core desktop CPU. Navit works supprisingly well. Very well with 'stolen/misused' MapRoute maps. And suprisingly well with OSM maps. OSM germany map is only 73M. No big deal. But i have to say, the navit build for openmoko is in bad condition. (easy to fix) But you are tight, they solve quite different problems. Navit is far better for orientation in cities or for cycling and walking. And why i (gta01 user) have to launch gllin via tangoGPS? Since month there is a script that lets you start gllin on the GTA01 automatically. I haven't used this button since a long time. There was just on user (Bwalack) who convinced me to keep the button a bit longer. And he paid for the lunch ;-) Ah, cool. Have to look for this some time. gypsy - yes gpsd - no (at least not as it is, maybe as compat interface) gpsd works well and gypsy is not network capable. What i don't like with gpsd is that it is so inflexible. Like adding a second gps receiver (ok, maybe not very useful) or shutting down the gps device while not used. Simply using your Neo's GPS from your Laptop does not work. I would prefer a bluetooth bridge. Then many more devices than a well pre configured box running gpsd can use it. And especially for an application like tangoGPS it is inherently broken: every nav-application wants to have the raw NMEA and not some preprocessed stuff and the concept to only be notified for certain events is nonsense because any nav-app wants to be notified about every data coming in. This concept just sucks CPU time. Well, you are probably right. A gpsd compatible data stream should probably be available for legacy/more fancy software. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I hope you come up with good data for India. I always wanted to have a map of the entire world available in my pocket, so maybe we get closer and closer to that .. ;) planet.osm.bz2 is 4.2 gigs now, but that's why there are 8 gig microSD cards I guess. :-) Of course being unindexed XML you don't have time to parse and render that much data. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Planet.osm That can easyle be compressed to much smaller size for mapping/routing purpses. The osm xml format is very redundant and verbose. I would call it a export format not a usable data format for embedded apps. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)
dumb question, but just out of curiousity, what version of scummvm are you guys installing? is it one of the binary packages from the scummvm website? i'm not sure what packaging formats the freerunner can handle, and wasn't sure if it could take deb or rpm files, or which package i should download (or if i'm on the completely wrong track and there is an opkg install package for it). even if it isn't working perfect, i'd like to check it out. Yorick Moko wrote: Be warned though Robert that when the screen is rotated, rotating it back does not restore everything like it schould. You will have to reboot your FreeRunner then. I also found a way to get the cursor to display where I click, the only problem is that when I get too close to the mic-side of the phone the offset is again introduced automatically. All very strange. Forthermore: I tested monkey island 2 and it works great! Only problem is that in this version of scummvm for the freerunner there is not yet an "esc" button, so I had to ssh in the phone to quit the game. btw: nice work (kobedeluxe) On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Robert Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, this might not fit the topic but there is something which caught my eye: Yorick Moko schrieb: [...] except that is automatically launches in landscape mode. [...] Do you know how this is achieved? I would like to have this for Kobo deluxe as well. Regards Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphysics ipk
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 16:01:02 schrieb Jay Vaughan: btw, can you put the source up somewhere, modified for the freerunner? Sure. I put everything I changed (including my first try for the bb recipe) into this tgz: http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_setup.tgz Michael j. On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Michael Kluge wrote: numptyphysics: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so. 0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory sdl installed? maybe the ipkg does not define a dependency on libsdl, so it is not pulled in automatically ... Exactly. You need sdl and sdl-image. I build the ipk myself without bitbake, so that's probably why this piece is missing. I'll try to streamline things when the landscape bug is fixed. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | We're not done with what we can do to mitigate it in software. These | guys should be in tomorrow's kernel. | | | okay i'll continue testing and logging in the meantime .. Great. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiQdasACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqm0wCeLwasTn32oZtKDc7jZXmeZzIy AbAAn0KQwBfpj18r9hkuG1DwQbdCMFd8 =jB3i -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Tilman Baumann wrote: But you are tight, they solve quite different problems. Navit is far better for orientation in cities or for cycling and walking. Sorry, this is probably a typo that needs to be declared explicitly. s/tight/right/ *g* -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Navit works supprisingly well. Very well with 'stolen/misused' MapRoute maps. got wherefrom, ie what kind of maps work with it? But i have to say, the navit build for openmoko is in bad condition. (easy to fix) care to elaborate? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)
2008/7/30 Evan [EMAIL PROTECTED] dumb question, but just out of curiousity, what version of scummvm are you guys installing? is it one of the binary packages from the scummvm website? i'm not sure what packaging formats the freerunner can handle, and wasn't sure if it could take deb or rpm files, or which package i should download (or if i'm on the completely wrong track and there is an opkg install package for it). even if it isn't working perfect, i'd like to check it out. One of the first things I want to do when I get my FR is installing scummvm, so I don't think its a dumb question and I'm interested in the answer too. -- Iker Berasaluce Departamento de Informatica Fulcrum SA ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
arne anka wrote: Navit works supprisingly well. Very well with 'stolen/misused' MapRoute maps. got wherefrom, ie what kind of maps work with it? http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page#Maps But i have to say, the navit build for openmoko is in bad condition. (easy to fix) care to elaborate? The version from Alessandro (ipkg tree linked on his wiki site) is very old, has no .desktop file and icon and crashes when you open the destination screen (known workaround). Details here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: uboot versions or a changelog?
William Kenworthy wrote: Is there a list of uboot versions or a changelog? I would like to see what changes have been done from that shipped with 2007.2? See http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=shortlog;h=stable and the archives for the openmoko-kernel mailing list. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
