social get-together around Linuxworld

2008-08-02 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hey everyone,

There seem to be a fair number of you in the San Francisco Bay Area, and 
in addition to myself who lives in SF, there will be some others from 
Openmoko in town.

What do you say to a social gathering?

We used to have a wiki page for events. If someone can send me a link to 
it, I'll find out from others when is a good time, and post an event, 
perhaps at a local bar.

Alternately, or in addition to, what do you say to a BoF?

Michael

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Re: social get-together around Linuxworld

2008-08-02 Thread Sameer Verma
Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Hey everyone,

 There seem to be a fair number of you in the San Francisco Bay Area, and 
 in addition to myself who lives in SF, there will be some others from 
 Openmoko in town.

 What do you say to a social gathering?

   
Sounds like fun!
 We used to have a wiki page for events. If someone can send me a link to 
 it, I'll find out from others when is a good time, and post an event, 
 perhaps at a local bar.

 Alternately, or in addition to, what do you say to a BoF?

   
A BoF would be great, except that LinuxWorld's page says that call for
BoFs are now closed. The BoF may have to be at a Bar.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: social get-together around Linuxworld

2008-08-02 Thread Sameer Verma
Sameer Verma wrote:
 Michael Shiloh wrote:
   
 Hey everyone,

 There seem to be a fair number of you in the San Francisco Bay Area, and 
 in addition to myself who lives in SF, there will be some others from 
 Openmoko in town.

 What do you say to a social gathering?

   
 
 Sounds like fun!
   
 We used to have a wiki page for events. If someone can send me a link to 
 it, I'll find out from others when is a good time, and post an event, 
 perhaps at a local bar.

 Alternately, or in addition to, what do you say to a BoF?

   
 
 A BoF would be great, except that LinuxWorld's page says that call for
 BoFs are now closed. The BoF may have to be at a Bar.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Sameer
   

Here's the page on Call for BoFs.
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/speakers//SN389138
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Re: social get-together around Linuxworld

2008-08-02 Thread Matt Margush
Count me in!

Matt

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sameer Verma wrote:
  Michael Shiloh wrote:
 
  Hey everyone,
 
  There seem to be a fair number of you in the San Francisco Bay Area, and
  in addition to myself who lives in SF, there will be some others from
  Openmoko in town.
 
  What do you say to a social gathering?
 
 
 
  Sounds like fun!
 
  We used to have a wiki page for events. If someone can send me a link to
  it, I'll find out from others when is a good time, and post an event,
  perhaps at a local bar.
 
  Alternately, or in addition to, what do you say to a BoF?
 
 
 
  A BoF would be great, except that LinuxWorld's page says that call for
  BoFs are now closed. The BoF may have to be at a Bar.
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Sameer
 

 Here's the page on Call for BoFs.
 http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/speakers//SN389138
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Re:

2008-08-02 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| Yeah, I was having a problem with that because I couldn't open openocd
| with the debug board. Which was why I tried finding a different way to
| do it. So is there another way to boot the neo1973 if the NAND is missing?

You'll need to fix the fingertrap that is getting OpenOCD running.

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Re: social get-together around Linuxworld

2008-08-02 Thread Jeremy Chang

Hi, 
I will also be there, attending LinuxWorld.   
BoF would be great. 

Regards,
Jeremy Chang
   
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 11:55:37PM -0700, Sameer Verma wrote:
 Sameer Verma wrote:
  Michael Shiloh wrote:

  Hey everyone,
 
  There seem to be a fair number of you in the San Francisco Bay Area, and 
  in addition to myself who lives in SF, there will be some others from 
  Openmoko in town.
 
  What do you say to a social gathering?
 

  
  Sounds like fun!

  We used to have a wiki page for events. If someone can send me a link to 
  it, I'll find out from others when is a good time, and post an event, 
  perhaps at a local bar.
 
  Alternately, or in addition to, what do you say to a BoF?
 

  
  A BoF would be great, except that LinuxWorld's page says that call for
  BoFs are now closed. The BoF may have to be at a Bar.
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Sameer

 
 Here's the page on Call for BoFs.
 http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/speakers//SN389138
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Re: Removing SMS Messages from OM

2008-08-02 Thread Benedikt Schindler
Ken Restivo schrieb:
 On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 08:45:28PM +0100, David Pottage wrote:
   
 
 They are in:

 ~/.evolution/memos/local/system/journal.ics

 

 I've asked several times where ASU stores its SMS messages, and never got any 
 straight answer.

 Where does it store them? In .evolution or in a different place?

 -ken
   
it's different from prgoramm to programm you use.
with qtopia messages it's :

~/Applications/qtmail


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SDcard holder - convenience rework

2008-08-02 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
for a nice handle to save your fingernails and do no violence on SD-holder by 
using a knife etc, see:
http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/sdcard-handle

note the pretty original scotchtape-end of the transparent sticky tape ;-)

Works like a charm!
cheers
jOERG

ps: thanks to XorA for triggering the idea by complaining about 
the varnish-killer ;-) 


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Re: Sean: Please authorise the release of GTA01 schematics

2008-08-02 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am So  20. Juli 2008 schrieb Charles Pax:
 On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:24 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
He asked for GTA01. WE are giving GTA02.
 
 
 I look forward to printing them out and rolling around on them.
 
 -Charles
 

keep your video camera steady, Charles! (btw: use A3-format!)
We *really* want to see this next week ;-)
Maybe you can use the 2 days of this weekend?

cheers
jOERG
:-)


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Re: service with NorthState in NC

2008-08-02 Thread Andreas Bogk
Michael Shiloh schrieb:
 As I understand it, your cellphone network provider routinely updates 
 hardware and software in their system. As a result of this, occasionally 
 older SIM cards may not function.

Unfortunately, this isn't the issue.  Rather, both GTA01 and GTA02 have 
problems with a certain model of SIM cards (Gemplus 3G), which 
unfortunately is widely used.  The bug is specific to the combination of 
TI Calypso (the GSM modem used in OM phones) and this Gemplus smartcard.

My bet here is on some timing issue, possibly related to incorrect ATR 
parsing.

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Need a louder ring!

2008-08-02 Thread William Kenworthy
Ive just missed a couple of calls in a noisy environment.  Is it
possible to make the FR ringtone louder?

Also, does 2007.2 implement profiles (if so, how to I use them?)

BillK


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Re: numptyphysics ipk

2008-08-02 Thread simarillion
  * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for numptyphysics:
*  libsdl *  libsdl-image *

 Any ideas what I've done wrong?  I'm running 2007.2, if that makes a
 difference.

I got the same error messages but the game starts without any problems.
Did you try that?

Greets
Michael

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Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-08-02 Thread Ken Restivo
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:38:07PM +0300, Mikko Rauhala wrote:
 ti, 2008-07-29 kello 20:53 +0200, Marcus Bauer kirjoitti:
  I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing this
  will take at least five more years, probably ten. 
 
 That's probably true _if you drive a car_ (though even for that it can
 be a handy help, especially in areas that don't happen to have lots of
 turn restrictions, though you of course don't want to just blindly drive
 listening to it anyway).
 
 Us others want navigation too and are considerably less hampered by
 OSM's current lackings. 'course, there are other projects than TangoGPS,
 but it seems otherwise nice so one would like it to include this as
 well. As long as I'm not coding it, it's not my call, of course :]
 
 PS: Kudos for your work and all, but with all your hyperbole, jumping to
 conclusions, accusations of lying and stuff, you might want to take a
 step back for a breather if you want, you know, people to bother to
 listen to you instead of just wanting to rant wildly.
 

I have a really dumb question:

What is the point of having GPS anyway?

I don't travel much, so perhaps that's why I just don't get it.

If I'm navigating around a strange city, though, a hardcopy map is plenty good.

I spend most of my time walking or taking public transport, within a very short 
radius, in an area I already know very well. I'm just not getting what's cool 
or exciting about GPS.

-ken

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Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-08-02 Thread Tim Coggins
If you don't need a GPS that's great but I find them really useful.
Yes, maps and a compasses are really useful but they are quite bulky
and you need the right one. Thanks to the FreeRunner I've now got
localised, street level maps for a large part of the work (OSM[0]) in
my pocket. In addition to this I don't even have to work out where I
am and what direction I am moving in.

I'm also looking for a mount for my bicycle handlebars so I'll have a
full bike computer with me when I'm riding - speed, direction, time
and distance will all be displayed for me along with the map. If I
think of anything else I want to hand I could either implement it
myself or ask the tangoGPS guys.

And they are *so* much fun in planes :)

Tim


[0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/


On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:38:07PM +0300, Mikko Rauhala wrote:
 ti, 2008-07-29 kello 20:53 +0200, Marcus Bauer kirjoitti:
  I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing this
  will take at least five more years, probably ten.

 That's probably true _if you drive a car_ (though even for that it can
 be a handy help, especially in areas that don't happen to have lots of
 turn restrictions, though you of course don't want to just blindly drive
 listening to it anyway).

 Us others want navigation too and are considerably less hampered by
 OSM's current lackings. 'course, there are other projects than TangoGPS,
 but it seems otherwise nice so one would like it to include this as
 well. As long as I'm not coding it, it's not my call, of course :]

 PS: Kudos for your work and all, but with all your hyperbole, jumping to
 conclusions, accusations of lying and stuff, you might want to take a
 step back for a breather if you want, you know, people to bother to
 listen to you instead of just wanting to rant wildly.


 I have a really dumb question:

 What is the point of having GPS anyway?

 I don't travel much, so perhaps that's why I just don't get it.

 If I'm navigating around a strange city, though, a hardcopy map is plenty 
 good.

 I spend most of my time walking or taking public transport, within a very 
 short radius, in an area I already know very well. I'm just not getting 
 what's cool or exciting about GPS.

 -ken

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Re: Best UK data plan?

2008-08-02 Thread Tim Coggins
That seems a good deal. Looking at their terms and conditions it looks
as if there is no hard coded bandwidth limitations too.

http://shop.o2.co.uk/boltonTerms?boltonId=180028

Tim


On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Stroller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 30 Jul 2008, at 15:56, Gothnet wrote:
 ...
 I'm expecting my FreeRunner in the next day or so (thanks Truebox)
 and was
 wondering if any other UK users had come across any good data tariffs?

 I've got myself a SIM card from T-Mobile with their Solo 15
 package, and
 managed to persuade the guy in the shop to try selling it to me
 with their
 Mobile Broadband Plus add-on. 12.50 for 3G a month unrestricted
 use. This
 combination's not on their lists or their website and head office
 said it
 couldn't be done, but for once computer says yes in store.

 It would have helped comparison if you'd included a link [1], but
 AFACT the summary is £15 / month for 350 minutes + 650 texts. (Plus
 price of your unlimited data)

 My initial reaction was that that is a bargain, because presently I'm
 on an expensive O2's Online 30 contract [2] which includes subsidy
 of my last handset, a Sony Ericsson P990i smartphone, nearly 18
 months ago. As you will see from the link I am paying £30 a month for
 400 minutes.

 I tried to check out alternative tariffs from O2 a couple of weeks
 ago and found them confusing. I believed at that time the equivalent
 tariff, not including a subsidised phone was £25. Mobile phone
 companies seem to try deliberately to make life as confusing as
 possible - I couldn't find a tariff *exactly* the same as mine, but
 the one I found was only a few quid saving for about the same number
 (+/- 12.5%) of minutes.

 However, in replying to your message today I have just found the O2
 simplicity tariffs [3]. Their Online 25 contract is now only
 £20, and it includes 600 minutes, 1000 texts and a free bolt on.
 This is actually not obvious from when you click on the link I've
 given below, because the default bolt on is unlimited free texts,
 however you can instead select the Unlimited Web by clicking where
 it says change.

 Thus O2 Simplicity, despite sounding like a feminine hygiene
 product, might be better value for you. As I read it you're paying
 £27.50 per month in total for your Solo 15 (350 minutes + 650 texts)
 + data. The O2 would give you nearly twice as many calls for £7.50
 less, and still include unlimited data! Also voicemail is free on O2
 and out-of-inclusive calls seem to be cheaper, too.

 It looks like the discount of Online 25 to £20 is only available to
 new subscribers throughout August, which is a bit of a pain because
 my contract doesn't expire until September. I'll perhaps read //or
 post to the Usenet group uk.discounts.and.bargains at that time and
 see if anyone else has any suggestions - it might be worth you doing
 so now, as I have not tried hard to better the price T-Mobile have
 offered you, and I think you'll find some experts on that group (also
 check uk.telecoms.mobile).

 HTH,

 Stroller.






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 pay-monthly/
 [2] http://shop.o2.co.uk/tariffs/18_months/benefits/Online_30
 [3] http://shop.o2.co.uk/tariffs/sim_only
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Need a louder ring!

2008-08-02 Thread Bernt


William Kenworthy wrote:
 
 Ive just missed a couple of calls in a noisy environment.  Is it
 possible to make the FR ringtone louder?
 

In a noisy environment I normaly use the vibrator ;-)

Bernt
(waiting for the freerunner from pulster ...)

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Re: Need a louder ring!

2008-08-02 Thread William Kenworthy
How? - this was my question on profiles.  Silent, vibrate or ring.  I
have not come across anything on how to get the freerunner to do this.

BillK

On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 05:21 -0700, Bernt wrote:
 
 William Kenworthy wrote:
  
  Ive just missed a couple of calls in a noisy environment.  Is it
  possible to make the FR ringtone louder?
  
 
 In a noisy environment I normaly use the vibrator ;-)
 
 Bernt
 (waiting for the freerunner from pulster ...)
 
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Re: SDcard holder - convenience rework

2008-08-02 Thread Scott
Nice idea, I wonder how long before the scotch tape becomes brittle from 
the heat inside there?


It really is a PITA getting that card in and out.



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GSM Stuff

2008-08-02 Thread Scott

I got the GSM external antenna adapter from DigiKey

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=490-4982-ND

Fits perfectly in the phone,  had to order an adapter though as the 
other end is an SMA-J female and I needed to connect to a TNC male.


Also got the caps for the SD card rework, Jesus are they tiny!  I'm 
gonna get out my magnifying  glass and set one up to evaluate if I think 
I can solder that grain of sand sized unit or not! I guess its sized 
so it won't interfere with the card.


Scott



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Qtopia incoming call

2008-08-02 Thread bijoy franco
Hi,



I am using qtopia on  my freerunner.





Sometimes, there are two incoming calls from same number simultaneously and 
both cannot be answered

And sometimes at dialing end, user get to hear that my phone is switched 
off



Even after volume in profile set as maximum, sound is less audible...Can i 
increase the volume in any other ways





Thanks



Bijoy












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Phone not starting .....!!!!!

2008-08-02 Thread bijoy franco
Hi,



Phone not starting. .!


Bijoy











 - Original Message -
 From: bijoy franco
 Sent: 02/08/08 08:36 pm
 To: support, Openmoko, community, openmoko
 Subject: Qtopia incoming call
 
 
 Hi,
 
 
 
 I am using qtopia on  my freerunner.
 
 
 
 
 
 Sometimes, there are two incoming calls from same number simultaneously 
 and both cannot be answered
 
 And sometimes at dialing end, user get to hear that my phone is switched 
 off
 
 
 
 Even after volume in profile set as maximum, sound is less audible...Can 
 i increase the volume in any other ways
 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks
 
 
 
 Bijoy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: GSM Stuff

2008-08-02 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Sa  2. August 2008 schrieb Scott:
 I got the GSM external antenna adapter from DigiKey
 
 http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=490-4982-ND
 
 Fits perfectly in the phone, 

Would I recommend crap to you? ;-)
Anyway please note this is a test-adapter not designed for rough trade every 
day use. Also the receptacle on phone is designed for 500 rounds of 
insert/plug. There were no tests done on what will break after those 500 
plug-actions. Might be the adapter doesn't click in anymore, may also turn 
out it's the switch that fails to connect to *internal* antenna when no jack 
plugged. Be warned!

 had to order an adapter though as the  
 other end is an SMA-J female and I needed to connect to a TNC male.
 
 Also got the caps for the SD card rework, Jesus are they tiny!  I'm 
 gonna get out my magnifying  glass
For sure you need

 and set one up to evaluate if I think  
 I can solder that grain of sand sized unit or not! 
Honestly, I've seen grains of sand much bigger than this, no shit!

 I guess its sized  
 so it won't interfere with the card.

Still you need take care not to scratch that grain of sand off the device when 
opening the card-holder.

/jOERG


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Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-08-02 Thread Mike Montour
Ken Restivo wrote:

 What is the point of having GPS anyway?

One reason for GPS on a phone is to provide location information for 
Enhanced 911 emergency services.


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Re:

2008-08-02 Thread Lynn Nguyen
Could you be a little more specific or point me in the right direction?
search for 'fingertrap' and 'openocd fingertrap' yields no results
anywhere...

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 Somebody in the thread at some point said:

 | Yeah, I was having a problem with that because I couldn't open openocd
 | with the debug board. Which was why I tried finding a different way to
 | do it. So is there another way to boot the neo1973 if the NAND is
 missing?

 You'll need to fix the fingertrap that is getting OpenOCD running.

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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

2008-08-02 Thread Michael T. Dean
On 07/05/2008 12:23 AM, Joachim Steiger wrote:
 Michael T. Dean wrote:
   
 Which could /not/ happen before I've been given a chance to type in my 
 credit card information--i.e. before they know which card/bank to ask 
 for authorization.
 
 sorry i doubted you. just sounded like another thing we were seeing
 BTW, this is 100% repeatable (even still) on any computer on my network.
 
 do you have any special nat features, a transparent proxy in use?

 ah.. and is JavaScript enabled?

 lets track it down.

OK.  I'm finally at home again (I've been traveling for work) and got a 
chance to play around to test it.  It turns out it wasn't my router 
configuration, it was my browser configuration.

The payment site is verifying the Referer header and my browser was not 
sending that header.  The off-network computer I tried was configured to 
send the Referer, so it worked on that one.  I could have sworn I had 
tested that when I was trying to buy initially (as many websites are 
broken^H^H^H^H^H^Hconfigured to require a specific Referer value, so I 
usually remember to check).

/me wonders if he should mention the futility of using /any/ 
client-side-generated data for security purposes...  I guess, though, 
that's not Openmoko's problem, but Hi Trust's.

Mike

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RE: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like communityapplications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-08-02 Thread steve
 Bike mount?

 Or car mount?

 Guillermo how hard is that?

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To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like
communityapplications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

If you don't need a GPS that's great but I find them really useful.
Yes, maps and a compasses are really useful but they are quite bulky and you
need the right one. Thanks to the FreeRunner I've now got localised, street
level maps for a large part of the work (OSM[0]) in my pocket. In addition
to this I don't even have to work out where I am and what direction I am
moving in.

I'm also looking for a mount for my bicycle handlebars so I'll have a full
bike computer with me when I'm riding - speed, direction, time and distance
will all be displayed for me along with the map. If I think of anything else
I want to hand I could either implement it myself or ask the tangoGPS guys.

And they are *so* much fun in planes :)

Tim


[0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/


On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:38:07PM +0300, Mikko Rauhala wrote:
 ti, 2008-07-29 kello 20:53 +0200, Marcus Bauer kirjoitti:
  I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing 
  this will take at least five more years, probably ten.

 That's probably true _if you drive a car_ (though even for that it 
 can be a handy help, especially in areas that don't happen to have 
 lots of turn restrictions, though you of course don't want to just 
 blindly drive listening to it anyway).

 Us others want navigation too and are considerably less hampered by 
 OSM's current lackings. 'course, there are other projects than 
 TangoGPS, but it seems otherwise nice so one would like it to include 
 this as well. As long as I'm not coding it, it's not my call, of 
 course :]

 PS: Kudos for your work and all, but with all your hyperbole, jumping 
 to conclusions, accusations of lying and stuff, you might want to 
 take a step back for a breather if you want, you know, people to 
 bother to listen to you instead of just wanting to rant wildly.


 I have a really dumb question:

 What is the point of having GPS anyway?

 I don't travel much, so perhaps that's why I just don't get it.

 If I'm navigating around a strange city, though, a hardcopy map is plenty
good.

 I spend most of my time walking or taking public transport, within a very
short radius, in an area I already know very well. I'm just not getting
what's cool or exciting about GPS.

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Re: GPS application

2008-08-02 Thread Dale Maggee
For car mount, the mount I have for my (now deprecated!) iPAQ works 
nicely, although it obscures the power button, makes exiting programs a 
bit or a pain:

http://www.ow.com.au/shop/PDA-Car-Mounts/Arkon-CM910-Universal-PDA-Mount-Kit

I'd *love* to see a motorbike mount! although it would need to be *very* 
secure, and waterproof

-Dale

steve wrote:
  Bike mount?

  Or car mount?

  Guillermo how hard is that?

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Coggins
 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:57 AM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like
 communityapplications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

 If you don't need a GPS that's great but I find them really useful.
 Yes, maps and a compasses are really useful but they are quite bulky and you
 need the right one. Thanks to the FreeRunner I've now got localised, street
 level maps for a large part of the work (OSM[0]) in my pocket. In addition
 to this I don't even have to work out where I am and what direction I am
 moving in.

 I'm also looking for a mount for my bicycle handlebars so I'll have a full
 bike computer with me when I'm riding - speed, direction, time and distance
 will all be displayed for me along with the map. If I think of anything else
 I want to hand I could either implement it myself or ask the tangoGPS guys.

 And they are *so* much fun in planes :)

 Tim


 [0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/


 On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:38:07PM +0300, Mikko Rauhala wrote:
 
 ti, 2008-07-29 kello 20:53 +0200, Marcus Bauer kirjoitti:
   
 I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing 
 this will take at least five more years, probably ten.
 
 That's probably true _if you drive a car_ (though even for that it 
 can be a handy help, especially in areas that don't happen to have 
 lots of turn restrictions, though you of course don't want to just 
 blindly drive listening to it anyway).

 Us others want navigation too and are considerably less hampered by 
 OSM's current lackings. 'course, there are other projects than 
 TangoGPS, but it seems otherwise nice so one would like it to include 
 this as well. As long as I'm not coding it, it's not my call, of 
 course :]

 PS: Kudos for your work and all, but with all your hyperbole, jumping 
 to conclusions, accusations of lying and stuff, you might want to 
 take a step back for a breather if you want, you know, people to 
 bother to listen to you instead of just wanting to rant wildly.

   
 I have a really dumb question:

 What is the point of having GPS anyway?

 I don't travel much, so perhaps that's why I just don't get it.

 If I'm navigating around a strange city, though, a hardcopy map is plenty
 
 good.
   
 I spend most of my time walking or taking public transport, within a very
 
 short radius, in an area I already know very well. I'm just not getting
 what's cool or exciting about GPS.
   
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Re: SDcard holder - convenience rework

2008-08-02 Thread -stacy
Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
 for a nice handle to save your fingernails and do no violence on SD-holder by 
 using a knife etc, see:
 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/sdcard-handle
 
 note the pretty original scotchtape-end of the transparent sticky tape ;-)
 
 Works like a charm!
 cheers
 jOERG
 
 ps: thanks to XorA for triggering the idea by complaining about 
 the varnish-killer ;-) 
 

Brilliant! Since I am busy doing testing of the GPS with and without the 
SDCard, this will be much appreciated.

Thanks!

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IMEI

2008-08-02 Thread Learning It
Hi All,
 
Where is stored IMEI? Could it be changed?
 
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Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-08-02 Thread Jay Vaughan
 What is the point of having GPS anyway?


Its nice, when you're navigating around an unfamiliar area, to be able  
to have a realtime update of where you are exactly.  Its also fun to  
have a trace of your trip, if you're the kind of person who gets out a  
bit.  Nice in the forests and among nature, for example, to find that  
'magic spot' again ..

 I spend most of my time walking or taking public transport, within a  
 very short radius, in an area I already know very well. I'm just not  
 getting what's cool or exciting about GPS.


GPS is a good reason to get out more.

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RE: Freerunner-powered bike ride

2008-08-02 Thread Lin Mac

hi André,

is it something like this?  http://geektechnique.org/projectlab/511

my friend likes riding bicycle but he laugh at me when I offered he the 
possibility to mount and charge FR.
I would like to show him the photo of mount-kit, and even the charger after you 
finish it.

Best Regards,
Mac Lin

 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:17:51 +0200
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Freerunner-powered bike ride
 
 Hi community!
 
 Just want to drop a line that I today made my first bike ride with a
 Freerunner mounted on the handle bar of my bike. If someone is
 interested I could take some photos to show what the mount-kit looks
 like and how the Freerunner fits in.
 
 It's a universal mobile phone bike-mount-kit by LesCars (don't want to
 push the brand, but there are only few mount-kits for bikes out there)
 [1]. All ports (USB, GPS, audio) and the 2 buttons are usable with this
 mount-kit.
 
 With tangoGPS I had a lot of fun riding around town exploring new roads
 for Openstreetmap. ;)
 
 The next step would be a dynamo-powered charger for the Freerunner. I
 read an article in the german computer magazine ct [2] about creating a
 converter for charging USB devices while riding your bike with a
 hub-dynamo. The article provides detailed instructions for building it
 yourself, but I don't have the necessary soldering skills. So I'll have
 to ask soldering-experts... ;)
 
 Happy ridin!
 
 André
 
 
 [1] description in german: http://www.pearl.de/a-PX2065-4044.shtml
 [2] ct magazine 23/2007 page 190, german language
 (http://www.heise.de/kiosk/archiv/ct/07/23/190)
 

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Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

2008-08-02 Thread Konstantin
Hi there!

 Hi community!
 
 Just want to drop a line that I today made my first bike ride with a
 Freerunner mounted on the handle bar of my bike. If someone is
 interested I could take some photos to show what the mount-kit looks
 like and how the Freerunner fits in.

[x] Interested! :)

 It's a universal mobile phone bike-mount-kit by LesCars (don't want to
 push the brand, but there are only few mount-kits for bikes out there)
 [1]. All ports (USB, GPS, audio) and the 2 buttons are usable with this
 mount-kit.
 
 With tangoGPS I had a lot of fun riding around town exploring new roads
 for Openstreetmap. ;)
 
 The next step would be a dynamo-powered charger for the Freerunner. I
 read an article in the german computer magazine ct [2] about creating a
 converter for charging USB devices while riding your bike with a
 hub-dynamo. The article provides detailed instructions for building it
 yourself, but I don't have the necessary soldering skills. So I'll have
 to ask soldering-experts... ;)

Interestingly, that's precisely the thing I had in mind. I just bought a bike
today, and am planning to somehow build the c't usb-charger for a bike (probably
with some friends with soldering-skills, too ;) ) some time in the not too
distant future. Maybe we can exchange experiences with that :)

 Happy ridin!
 
 André
 
 
 [1] description in german: http://www.pearl.de/a-PX2065-4044.shtml
 [2] ct magazine 23/2007 page 190, german language
 (http://www.heise.de/kiosk/archiv/ct/07/23/190)

So long,
Konstantin

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Re: GPS application

2008-08-02 Thread Jay Vaughan

 I'd *love* to see a motorbike mount! although it would need to be  
 *very*
 secure, and waterproof

my idea for a general-purpose mount for the freerunner consists of  
your standard clamp - such as used to fix a light to a bicycle - with  
a fat large industrial strength rubber band length, sufficient to pass  
through the loop of the freerunner (lanyard hole), thus giving a  
swivel factor too.

but the problem with this is that we need to have a good way to rotate  
the screen around, of course.  sure would be nice to be able to do  
this with the accelerometers by now, anyway ..

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Re: GPS application

2008-08-02 Thread shawn sullivan
I've been playing around w/ the GPS and Tango all day. I love it. very 
cool to have the maps of the area and be able to find stuff. However, I 
would like the ability to plug in an address or lat/log location and 
have it place a waypoint on the map from that, rather than have to find 
it on the existing map.

any ideas on that?

steve wrote:
 Thanks Mickey, 
 
  TANGO GPS  was one of the first teams I decided to give a Free FreeRunner
 to.  
 
   I'm  glad to hear that it will be in milestone2.
 
 Steve
 
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 Lauer
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 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like
 communityapplications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
 
 Am Dienstag 29 Juli 2008 15:28:56 schrieb rakshat hooja:
 Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps 
 software and I'm not spending my energy competing with it.

 OM2007.2 is there, it works and I recommend everybody to develop for it.

 Best regards,
 Marcus
 Not  to start a flame war but even I would like to know why Openmoko 
 with its scarce resources is developing its own gps software instead 
 of supporting something like Tango GPS that seems to be working so well?
 
 Dear Rakshat, please don't let yourself be fooled by polemics, I know it's
 hard to resist, but we should lean on to the facts.
 
 Fact is: Openmoko is NOT developing its own gps software, in fact we all
 like Tango GPS a lot. It talks nicely to our opgsd implementation and will
 be included by default in the FSO milestone2.
 
 What we did though was to write a framework subsystem implementing the
 org.freedesktop.Gypso dbus protcol, enhancing it to support the great U-Blox
 chip found in the Neo Freerunner devices, enhancing it to hook into the
 systemwide peripheral resource control, enhancing it to prepare for
 automatic downloading/uploading almanac and ephemeris to improve warmstart.
 So, in a
 nutshell: We provided the necessary middleware (as is the rest of FSO) to
 make things run better. Of course we will also discuss with upstream about
 how to improve the gypsy implementation of org.freedesktop.Gypsy.
 
 Please see Daniel Willmann's announcement for more details.
 
 Cheers,
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Network for different locations

2008-08-02 Thread carcinoma
Hi community,

is there any applicaion to manage the different network
specifications on different locations?
 
For example I'm @ home with wifi, there will be a special configuration,
also when i plug in the usb. Then the different network config
@ work. When i'm there, i want automaticaly change or apply
the config related to the location an/or to the type of connaction.
(it would be more nice to switch via gps data, but first...)

to know: i don't have a neo (hope monday or little later).
this question is generaly. i couldn't find something like
this on the angstom distribution on my palm tx.

 Carci

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RE: Freerunner-powered bike ride

2008-08-02 Thread steve
This community rocks.  Jetskis or hang gliders anyone?  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Konstantin
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:55 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

Hi there!

 Hi community!
 
 Just want to drop a line that I today made my first bike ride with a 
 Freerunner mounted on the handle bar of my bike. If someone is 
 interested I could take some photos to show what the mount-kit looks 
 like and how the Freerunner fits in.

[x] Interested! :)

 It's a universal mobile phone bike-mount-kit by LesCars (don't want to 
 push the brand, but there are only few mount-kits for bikes out there) 
 [1]. All ports (USB, GPS, audio) and the 2 buttons are usable with 
 this mount-kit.
 
 With tangoGPS I had a lot of fun riding around town exploring new 
 roads for Openstreetmap. ;)
 
 The next step would be a dynamo-powered charger for the Freerunner. I 
 read an article in the german computer magazine ct [2] about creating 
 a converter for charging USB devices while riding your bike with a 
 hub-dynamo. The article provides detailed instructions for building it 
 yourself, but I don't have the necessary soldering skills. So I'll 
 have to ask soldering-experts... ;)

Interestingly, that's precisely the thing I had in mind. I just bought a
bike today, and am planning to somehow build the c't usb-charger for a bike
(probably with some friends with soldering-skills, too ;) ) some time in the
not too distant future. Maybe we can exchange experiences with that :)

 Happy ridin!
 
 André
 
 
 [1] description in german: http://www.pearl.de/a-PX2065-4044.shtml
 [2] ct magazine 23/2007 page 190, german language
 (http://www.heise.de/kiosk/archiv/ct/07/23/190)

So long,
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RE: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like communityapplications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-08-02 Thread steve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songlines

Those magic spots. And navigation. And music.I thought you would like
this.
 

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 What is the point of having GPS anyway?


Its nice, when you're navigating around an unfamiliar area, to be able to
have a realtime update of where you are exactly.  Its also fun to have a
trace of your trip, if you're the kind of person who gets out a bit.  Nice
in the forests and among nature, for example, to find that 'magic spot'
again ..

 I spend most of my time walking or taking public transport, within a 
 very short radius, in an area I already know very well. I'm just not 
 getting what's cool or exciting about GPS.


GPS is a good reason to get out more.

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Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

2008-08-02 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Go karts, actually. :)

On 8/2/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This community rocks.  Jetskis or hang gliders anyone?

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Konstantin
 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:55 PM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

 Hi there!

 Hi community!

 Just want to drop a line that I today made my first bike ride with a
 Freerunner mounted on the handle bar of my bike. If someone is
 interested I could take some photos to show what the mount-kit looks
 like and how the Freerunner fits in.

 [x] Interested! :)

 It's a universal mobile phone bike-mount-kit by LesCars (don't want to
 push the brand, but there are only few mount-kits for bikes out there)
 [1]. All ports (USB, GPS, audio) and the 2 buttons are usable with
 this mount-kit.

 With tangoGPS I had a lot of fun riding around town exploring new
 roads for Openstreetmap. ;)

 The next step would be a dynamo-powered charger for the Freerunner. I
 read an article in the german computer magazine ct [2] about creating
 a converter for charging USB devices while riding your bike with a
 hub-dynamo. The article provides detailed instructions for building it
 yourself, but I don't have the necessary soldering skills. So I'll
 have to ask soldering-experts... ;)

 Interestingly, that's precisely the thing I had in mind. I just bought a
 bike today, and am planning to somehow build the c't usb-charger for a bike
 (probably with some friends with soldering-skills, too ;) ) some time in the
 not too distant future. Maybe we can exchange experiences with that :)

 Happy ridin!

 André


 [1] description in german: http://www.pearl.de/a-PX2065-4044.shtml
 [2] ct magazine 23/2007 page 190, german language
 (http://www.heise.de/kiosk/archiv/ct/07/23/190)

 So long,
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GPRS for FSO Milestone 2

2008-08-02 Thread C R McClenaghan
I've been able to hack together the necessary ppp scripts to get GPRS  
working on FSO Milestone 2 release. This is for a Freerunner, if it  
matters.


I stole liberally from 
http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295start=0st=0sk=tsd=asid=dda5c6cbf5850182c786488123f056ce

and made couple of tweaks. Basically, I'm just using the following  
files from the tar file referenced at the above link - gprs, gprs- 
connect-chat, gprs-disconnect-chat, gprson, gprsoff. Most of the  
instructions at the above link can be ignored as the work of  
multiplexing call and data traffic is part of FSO framework (as I  
understand it). Just make sure you put each of the above files in the  
correct locations as indicated. The missing piece is to simply use the  
shell scripts gprson and gprsoff. The former has the dbus request to  
get a MUX'd channel from gsm daemon (gsm0710muxd sp?).


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Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

2008-08-02 Thread Brad Midgley
Hey

 I would like to show him the photo of mount-kit, and even the charger after
 you finish it.

I have a bike mount that is single-use. It's not so impressive, but it
was just 10c. I snapped a pic before trimming it :)

http://www.xmission.com/~bmidgley/neobike.jpg

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Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

2008-08-02 Thread ba1020
André Gaul wrote:
 Hi community!

 Just want to drop a line that I today made my first bike ride with a
 Freerunner mounted on the handle bar of my bike. If someone is
 interested I could take some photos to show what the mount-kit looks
 like and how the Freerunner fits in.

 It's a universal mobile phone bike-mount-kit by LesCars (don't want to
 push the brand, but there are only few mount-kits for bikes out there)
 [1]. All ports (USB, GPS, audio) and the 2 buttons are usable with this
 mount-kit.

 With tangoGPS I had a lot of fun riding around town exploring new roads
 for Openstreetmap. ;)

   
 yup same here...


i'm definitely interested

also check this project

www.obico.de


juergen

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Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

2008-08-02 Thread arne anka
 http://www.xmission.com/~bmidgley/neobike.jpg

you don't like your neo, do you?




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Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

2008-08-02 Thread ritz
Hello

On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 15:15 -0600, Brad Midgley wrote:
 Hey
 
  I would like to show him the photo of mount-kit, and even the charger after
  you finish it.
 
 I have a bike mount that is single-use. It's not so impressive, but it
 was just 10c. I snapped a pic before trimming it :)
 
 http://www.xmission.com/~bmidgley/neobike.jpg
Now only if this was running tangoGPS, and speaking out Turn left for 
burger...
This would be Heaven. 


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Re: GPRS for FSO Milestone 2

2008-08-02 Thread Andreas Bogk
C R McClenaghan schrieb:
 I've been able to hack together the necessary ppp scripts to get GPRS 
 working on FSO Milestone 2 release.

Cool!

 I'll post something to the wiki if there's sufficient interest.

It is, please do!

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Re: Network for different locations

2008-08-02 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:31 PM, carcinoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 is there any applicaion to manage the different network
 specifications on different locations?

That would be more useful for its ideas than its code, since it's made
for MacOSX (it's OSS, though), but you can take a look at
http://www.symonds.id.au/marcopolo/

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FSO: how to disable zhone screen locking?

2008-08-02 Thread Craig B. Allen
I've been using FSO milestone 2 and liking it.

Is there a setting to disable the zhone screen locker?  If I want to
lock I can just press the Aux button.

Thanks.
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FSO: how to have full qwerty be default keyboard?

2008-08-02 Thread Craig B. Allen
Is there any way to set the [excellent] full qwerty layout as the default?

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SD Card Fix Fubar

2008-08-02 Thread Scott Derrick
Well I think I screwed my SD card reader trying to solder on the GPS fix.

I got the cap soldered on, slamed in an sd card and fired it up.

No card. Nothing mounted at /media/card and doing a manual mount 
produced the error

mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist

BUMMER!

So pulled the card out, got out the big magnifier and there was a 
solder spec between pin 6 and 7!  *hit!

I unsoldered the cap, sucked and scraped all the solder out. Metered 
between all the pins to verify no shorts( I know I should have done that 
  first). Put the card back in and no joy..  nada..

Not sure how to proceed now.  Is Openmoko going to be taking FR's back 
for repairs?

Scott


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Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

2008-08-02 Thread atweb

Hi,

Yesterday, I bought a Solar-Charger from Ansmann.
Later this week, I will test it (We have until Monday a Town-Party).

cu
Markus




Brad Midgley schrieb:

Hey

  

The next step would be a dynamo-powered charger for the Freerunner. I
read an article in the german computer magazine ct [2] about creating a
converter for charging USB devices while riding your bike with a
hub-dynamo.
  


I like the idea of a hub dynamo or using induction like the reelight.
I don't like the idea of a separate dynamo that has to make physical
contact with the wheel. It would probably generate more energy in the
form of heat than electricity :)

  
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Re: IMEI

2008-08-02 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello,

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 la, 2008-08-02 kello 12:17 -0700, Learning It kirjoitti:
 Where is stored IMEI?

 The GSM chipset.

 Could it be changed?

 Not in any documented manner.

In some countries it might even be considered illegal to change the IMEI[1].

References:
1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imei
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RE: Freerunner-powered bike ride

2008-08-02 Thread steve
I own three. Quarter Midgets actually. 

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Go karts, actually. :)

On 8/2/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This community rocks.  Jetskis or hang gliders anyone?

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Konstantin
 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:55 PM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride

 Hi there!

 Hi community!

 Just want to drop a line that I today made my first bike ride with a 
 Freerunner mounted on the handle bar of my bike. If someone is 
 interested I could take some photos to show what the mount-kit looks 
 like and how the Freerunner fits in.

 [x] Interested! :)

 It's a universal mobile phone bike-mount-kit by LesCars (don't want 
 to push the brand, but there are only few mount-kits for bikes out 
 there) [1]. All ports (USB, GPS, audio) and the 2 buttons are usable 
 with this mount-kit.

 With tangoGPS I had a lot of fun riding around town exploring new 
 roads for Openstreetmap. ;)

 The next step would be a dynamo-powered charger for the Freerunner. I 
 read an article in the german computer magazine ct [2] about creating 
 a converter for charging USB devices while riding your bike with a 
 hub-dynamo. The article provides detailed instructions for building 
 it yourself, but I don't have the necessary soldering skills. So I'll 
 have to ask soldering-experts... ;)

 Interestingly, that's precisely the thing I had in mind. I just bought 
 a bike today, and am planning to somehow build the c't usb-charger for 
 a bike (probably with some friends with soldering-skills, too ;) ) 
 some time in the not too distant future. Maybe we can exchange 
 experiences with that :)

 Happy ridin!

 André


 [1] description in german: http://www.pearl.de/a-PX2065-4044.shtml
 [2] ct magazine 23/2007 page 190, german language
 (http://www.heise.de/kiosk/archiv/ct/07/23/190)

 So long,
 Konstantin

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openmoko-agpsui

2008-08-02 Thread Stephen Pape
I can't find openmoko-agpsui in the repositories anymore, and the links to
download it are broken on the wiki.

I'm pretty sure that tangogps used to be in the repository too. I can't even
install it from the ipk.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg install tangogps_0.9.2-r1_armv4t.ipk
Installing tangogps (0.9.2-r1) to root...
Collected errors:
 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for tangogps:
 *  gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) *

Anyone know what's going on ?

Thanks,
-Stephen
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