Re: Intel Atom
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:54:34 -0700 Russell Sears [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: though we need to accept that we need to move beyond SDR into DDR/DDR2 ram and higher clockrates anyway - we need more performance to do the things people want, we just need to do it with the right generation of SOC that has reigned these power requirements in a bit... and well - maybe accept we need a meatier battery :) What about an FPU? It probably wouldn't eat much power, and would help a *lot* for audio applications, since stuff wouldn't need to be rewritten in fixed point arithmetic. modern arms have fpu's - FR doesn't but the ones i mentioned (omap3xxx and snapdragon) i am certain have fpu's. nb. u dont need fp - it's just lazy programming to have used floating point math for the audio - it can be trivially done in integer space. with 16bit input you can easily do all your work in 32bit scratch-pad registers (no need for 64bit math). as such this is NOT a reason for an fpu. for 3d geometry and so on it definitely makes sense though. and with the more modern systems come graphics units capable of something vaguely decent graphics-wise :) so an fpu makes sense there. :) On a related note (and perhaps on the wrong end of an NDA), any idea what the specs are on the glamo's built in openrisc processors? low to useless. it's slow. also not even under nda is there any info on just how to program it. it's more of a control cpu - designed for keeping the internal bits of glamo's silicon in line than actually doing any heavy lifting of its own. Can they do floating point? Randomly access memory? How many of them are there? If they're beefy enough, with the right drivers (like CUDA), I think we'd have the bus bandwidth to offload audio processing (ogg decoding) to them, assuming the bus is symmetric: 48khz * 16bit/sample * 2channels = 187.5 kilobytes / sec = 1.4 mbit/sec -Rusty ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intel Atom
Amd is working on their Fusion CPU/GPU. That would be perfect for mobile devices ;) Maybe gta04? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intel-Atom-tp723106p725752.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intel Atom
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:25:14 -0700 (PDT) abatrour [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Amd is working on their Fusion CPU/GPU. That would be perfect for mobile devices ;) Maybe gta04? call us when they get to the 1 watt world. for now and for a while to come both intel and amd's offerings are far far far from mobile land. sure- given time they may eventually get there - but remember that ARM isn't standing still and there is a reason ARM is the king of the hill in embedded (pretty much). -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intel Atom
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:54:34 -0700 Russell Sears [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
though we need to accept that we need to move beyond SDR into DDR/DDR2 ram
and higher clockrates anyway - we need more performance to do the things
people want, we just need to do it with the right generation of SOC that
has reigned these power requirements in a bit... and well - maybe accept we
need a meatier battery :)
What about an FPU? It probably wouldn't eat much power, and would help
a *lot* for audio applications, since stuff wouldn't need to be
rewritten in fixed point arithmetic.
modern arms have fpu's - FR doesn't but the ones i mentioned (omap3xxx and
snapdragon) i am certain have fpu's.
nb. u dont need fp - it's just lazy programming to have used floating point
math for the audio - it can be trivially done in integer space. with 16bit
input you can easily do all your work in 32bit scratch-pad registers (no need
for 64bit math). as such this is NOT a reason for an fpu. for 3d geometry and
so on it definitely makes sense though. and with the more modern systems come
graphics units capable of something vaguely decent graphics-wise :) so an fpu
makes sense there. :)
Yes, but there's tons of legacy code that assumes an FPU. (ladspa plugins)
Also, after some naive conversions from floating point to fixed point
programming, I hit a situation where 32bit arithmetic doesn't quite cut it.
Some filters want to multiply two floats together. You can do this to
simulate floating point math:
float f = ...; // 0 = f 1.
int a, c;
const int b = (int)(f * 65536.0)
while(1) {
... // update a
c = a * b
c 16
... // do more math
}
Where a is signal data, perhaps dependent on past data, and b is a
filter parameter. Some formulas derive b from user tunable parameters.
In some corner cases, f is small (on the order of 1 / 2^16), which leads
to rounding error assigning to the filter parameter b.
This distorts the filter setup, and leads to artifacts, feedback loops,
etc. Using 64 bit math better approximates the filter, and helps these
corner cases a bit. There might also be cases where you'd want to carry
32 bits of precision throughout the calculation, though I haven't hit
one yet.
The good news is that the hit associated with 64 bit math (and a 48 bit
filter parameter) is measurable, but tolerable on the FR.
On a related note (and perhaps on the wrong end of an NDA), any idea
what the specs are on the glamo's built in openrisc processors?
low to useless. it's slow. also not even under nda is there any info on just
how to program it. it's more of a control cpu - designed for keeping the
internal bits of glamo's silicon in line than actually doing any heavy lifting
of its own.
Thanks for the info. That makes sense...
-Rusty
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Re: GPRS under FSO [Was: Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?]
The package I'm using (and dependency packages) is now up at http://hedora.ath.cx/moko/ Let me know if you hit any problems. -Rusty Russell Sears wrote: There are a bunch of manual steps right now: - openmoko-mediaplayer is hardcoded to use pulseaudio. Switching to alsa is a one-line change. - the mediaplayer theme files need to live in the Raleigh directory not in Moko - There's some dependency on a openmoko sound system. I don't know what it does, or if it's needed. - I pulled packages out of my mokomakefile, and installed them using opkg - there are lots of pulseaudio dependencies to be removed, so I used opkg --force-depends to install the mediaplayer package. Some of the packages may be unnecessary / cause breakage. My home server is down at the moment, so I don't have anywhere to stick the modified binary... I'll figure out what's going on with it and post better directions and the binary tonight. -Rusty Benito wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:08 (-0700), Russell Sears wrote: Anyway, [music|gps] + gprs + phone seem to play nice in FSO. (I hacked up a openmoko-mediaplayer package. Would you provide that to us? I'd like to use it, too. Thx, /Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphysics ipk
yeah, numpty physics is very cool on Freerunner. I'm running it on 2007.2 and on landscape screen position it's cool: just perfect size to fit the opened keyboard there. Though I hope in next versions there would be some integrated keys to restart and so on so that you wouldn't have to use the FR keyboard and NF could be played full screen. But a great piece of software, anyway! (have to check how to install more levels :) r On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone please wikify? This is an awesome demo. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS under FSO [Was: Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?]
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 19:08:39 schrieb Russell Sears: Anyway, [music|gps] + gprs + phone seem to play nice in FSO. (I hacked up a openmoko-mediaplayer package. Cool. Headphone insertion isn't detected yet, but it does mute/stop the music when you pick up the phone). Please add a ticket. Where? I just added a bunch of FSO tickets to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/; which has an FSO option in the milestone pulldown menu. Then I found trac.freesmartphone.org Now I just need music and tangogps to work at the same time. The framework gps thing is a CPU hog, as is ogg/gstreamer... Yeah, ogg is consuming too much. I hope we can improve that. The gps parser needs to be profiled and then extended with a C module. I spoke too soon. They both work at the same time, which was not the case in 2007.2. :) However, they're still both CPU hogs... I've been looking into the ogg stuff a bit. I think the first step is to update the ivorbis package. That'll make it easier to try the low-mem branch and tremolo. I tried doing this a while back, but got runtime linker errors from gstreamer. Then I got busy with other things. There are also some other potential issues. I think gstreamer is doing software volume control, and there might be some grossness involving ARM's synchronization primitives. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten a profiler working to see exactly where the cycles are going. -Rusty ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intel Atom
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:30:01 -0700 Russell Sears [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
aaah - i was not really thinking of high quality audio filters - i was really
thinking ok.. it's a phone - an embedded device. for entertainment and regular
daily use - we need really volume adjustment (to be able to soft-vary multiple
incoming audio streams) and mixing. yes. it's a limited view - but these are
limited devices :) for practical usage you need no fp math - not for the
basic audio stuff. sure. more complex filters (when doing actual audio
composition and mixing i would agree you will be wanting more here), but for
regular daily realtime use... i can't think of any need for fp math for
audio. (ok - i am skipping games here right now but even so most game audio
still falls into the category of soft-volume and mixing filters and playing
samples).
Yes, but there's tons of legacy code that assumes an FPU. (ladspa plugins)
Also, after some naive conversions from floating point to fixed point
programming, I hit a situation where 32bit arithmetic doesn't quite cut it.
Some filters want to multiply two floats together. You can do this to
simulate floating point math:
float f = ...; // 0 = f 1.
int a, c;
const int b = (int)(f * 65536.0)
while(1) {
... // update a
c = a * b
c 16
... // do more math
}
Where a is signal data, perhaps dependent on past data, and b is a
filter parameter. Some formulas derive b from user tunable parameters.
In some corner cases, f is small (on the order of 1 / 2^16), which leads
to rounding error assigning to the filter parameter b.
This distorts the filter setup, and leads to artifacts, feedback loops,
etc. Using 64 bit math better approximates the filter, and helps these
corner cases a bit. There might also be cases where you'd want to carry
32 bits of precision throughout the calculation, though I haven't hit
one yet.
The good news is that the hit associated with 64 bit math (and a 48 bit
filter parameter) is measurable, but tolerable on the FR.
On a related note (and perhaps on the wrong end of an NDA), any idea
what the specs are on the glamo's built in openrisc processors?
low to useless. it's slow. also not even under nda is there any info on just
how to program it. it's more of a control cpu - designed for keeping the
internal bits of glamo's silicon in line than actually doing any heavy
lifting of its own.
Thanks for the info. That makes sense...
-Rusty
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Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Very cool indeed! I'm really expecting to see apps taking the most out of this. Well done! r (though couldn't get anything read from accelerometers so far, tried restart, too) On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 1:30 AM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really great work! But I don't think a service depending on a running xserver should be an init script (even if the script can require the X init script to be ready). Imho it would be better to use the X infrastructure for that, maybe by an Xsession file. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Paul-Valentin Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, didn't know that. I'll definitely try it out. Thanks, Paul On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Harald Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul, On Aug 14, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: There's a quick way to install it, and a more detailed way... Read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures really nice work! a quick hint how to start from ssh login, just use DISPLAY=:0 /etc/init.d/gesl start instead of /etc/init.d/gesl start Harald -- I hope to die ___ _ before I *have* to use Microsoft Word., 0--,|/OOO\ Donald E. Knuth, 02-Oct-2001 in Tuebingen._/ / /OOO\ \ \/OOO\ \ O|// \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Harald Koenig // / \\ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ ^ -- http://www.borza.ro ___ devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 20:50:54 schrieb carcinoma: Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 20:23:02 schrieb Ben Holt: Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Have fun with it! i'm sad, because the hexdump for /dev/input/event2 has no output... result is: no working gesture capturing. what can i do to activate the top accelerometer? please help me, it's such a nice thing.. Carci ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community what is with this? the top accelerometer does not work! Also after restarting the neo. can this be a hardware fault? Carci ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intel Atom
You must start to realize just how low power mobile devices must be, to be actually useful. Geode, Atom, Fusion, everyone of these is a power hog compared to ARM. My vote goes for low clocked OMAP3530. Best regards Peter Kraker abatrour pravi: Amd is working on their Fusion CPU/GPU. That would be perfect for mobile devices ;) Maybe gta04? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:56:11 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: according to google there seem to be a few messages with a similar problem -- dbus.freedesktop.org mentions that dbus includes security policies but nothing more. security by obscurity, i guess ... anyway, there was one report from ubuntu stating that restarting dbus fixed the issue, but probably because he did some upgrading. else look into /etc/debus-1/ and check the files there, it seems like there are policy definitions. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
2008/8/15 Christian Anke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: what is with this? the top accelerometer does not work! Also after restarting the neo. can this be a hardware fault? Same problem here. The earlier version of gestures worked for me once, but didn't work later on. hexdumping event3 seems to show data, but currently nothing from event2 despite reboots. Probably something for the Openmoko hw/driver team to investigate again. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Temporary testing and development feeds for ASU
Holger Freyther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey, as we need some more time to make the build result of org.openmoko.asu.dev and org.openmoko.asu.stable available I have an ad-hoc and temporary solution by providing my build result. So this is from the official branch but my no means an official feed and will go away once the right thing is available on downloads. development/unstable trees: http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/all http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/armv4t http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/i686 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/neo1973 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/om-gta02 How can I translate this into opkg config files? I tried to change the *.conf files in /etc/opkg but I can't seem to find a syntax that pleases opkg. Since I'm the only one asking this, it must be obvious :) Would anyone be kind enough to post his working with zecke's feeds .conf files? Thanks, -- Lucas pgpgAl3dB6yGp.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Temporary testing and development feeds for ASU
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I translate this into opkg config files? I tried to change the *.conf files in /etc/opkg but I can't seem to find a syntax that pleases opkg. Since I'm the only one asking this, it must be obvious :) Well, it isn't (but I didn't even try yet...), but I hadn't raised my finger yet :-) Would anyone be kind enough to post his working with zecke's feeds .conf files? Like more people in here do: +1 :-) Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QTopia and WiFi
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atd: how to start a job every 10 minutes ?
Hi, I'd like to trigger at jobs every ~10 minutes (so that RTC resumes from suspend) but somehow atd (Om 2008.8) behaves strange any hints how to deal with atd and trigger jobs ? thanks, Harald -- I hope to die ___ _ before I *have* to use Microsoft Word., 0--,|/OOO\ Donald E. Knuth, 02-Oct-2001 in Tuebingen._/ / /OOO\ \ \/OOO\ \ O|// \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Harald Koenig // / \\ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ ^ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: atd: how to start a job every 10 minutes ?
Harald Koenig, 2008-08-15 12:04:44 +0200 : Hi, I'd like to trigger at jobs every ~10 minutes (so that RTC resumes from suspend) but somehow atd (Om 2008.8) behaves strange any hints how to deal with atd and trigger jobs ? You may want ot look at cron instead of at. at is for one-time jobs, cron is for recurring jobs. Roland. -- Roland Mas ... all in all it's just another rule in the firewall. -- Ping Flood ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon? (Re: Intel Atom )
I tried to sketch my idea of extensions for openmoko and the result is placed in the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Expansion_Back I dont know how feasible it can be in terms of design and power requirements. But thats what I had in my mind and I think thats what open source is all about. Express ur ideas:-) mokooo! On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Pritam Ghanghas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But is there a way out. They way all these graphics chip companies behave we will never get a graphics chip on moko. For the worst case scenario that something as bad as that happens on the binary driver side. Openmoko employees will still be able to access the code as licensees. And I am not talking about qualcomm. I am talking about omap 3530. TI is any time better than qualcomm Moreover as i had read in thread whose link i posted in the previous post, that there are some reverse engineered drivers for older omaps and there is hope of reuse and coming up with open only drivers. and as stated above the performance without the proprietary stuff isnt bad either our moko ! On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:09 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the 2D/3D graphics drivers are released, only the kernel portions will be GPL. The user-space libraries will be closed source by the current plan of record. I guess this is good enough. I dont think we are getting anything more with Glamo as well i don't think it is enough. not getting more with the glamo cannot be the standard and rational to put us in the same situation again. these only partial open drivers are almost as evil as the closed ones -- when something important changes you can't change the driver's internals and when qualcomm finally decides to drop the development of drivers you are stuck with driver rapidly becoming obsolete. i've lived w/ ati and nvidia drivers for the past few years and it ain't no fun. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
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Re: Is Neo1973 truly abandoned?
On Thursday 14 August 2008 20:03:43 John Locke wrote: I'd say, the minimum that we need for GTA01 would: 1. have working, reliable GSM service to use as a phone This works with both Qtopia and the old GTK based OpenMoko distribution. It also works with FSO. 2. have working, reliable suspend/resume so that you can get more than 4 hours at a time, without breaking the other features This has been working for me for more than a month now. The only problem I've noticed is that either the GPS or GSM seems to sometimes go beserk. The main CPU is suspended but the phone is warm to the touch and the battery is emptied in a few hours. 3. provide working SMS, So far I've only got this to work with Qtopia. 4. have an address book, and calendar in some form that can be synchronized with desktop/online services to be done 5. have a GPS/mapping software that works. TangoGPS. So as best I can tell, we have 4 out of 5, but not even in any combination that can be run together. Since most of the development done for the FreeRunner seems to also benefit us GTA01 users, I'm pretty sure we'll get there in a few months. Also, since the main improvement over the previous version seems to be eyecandy, I don't feel like we're missing much by not having access to a pre-built 2008.8 image. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Temporary testing and development feeds for ASU
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:27:53 +0200, Lucas Bonnet wrote: How can I translate this into opkg config files? I tried to change the *.conf files in /etc/opkg but I can't seem to find a syntax that pleases opkg. Since I'm the only one asking this, it must be obvious :) Would anyone be kind enough to post his working with zecke's feeds .conf files? For unstable: cat EOD /etc/opkg/unstable.conf src/gz unstable-all http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/all src/gz unstable-arm4vt http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/armv4t src/gz unstable-neo1973 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/neo1973 src/gz unstable-om-gta02 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/om-gta02 EOD For testing: cat EOD /etc/opkg/testing.conf src/gz testing-all http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/all src/gz testing-arm4vt http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/armv4t src/gz testing-neo1973 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973 src/gz testing-om-gta02 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/om-gta02 EOD -- Håvard The less the people know how laws and sausages are made, the better do they sleep. -- Bismarck smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andy Green schrieb: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Timo Jyrinki schrieb: | 2008/8/15 Christian Anke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | what is with this? the top accelerometer does not work! | Also after restarting the neo. | | can this be a hardware fault? | Same problem here. The earlier version of gestures worked for me once, | but didn't work later on. hexdumping event3 seems to show data, but | currently nothing from event2 despite reboots. | | Probably something for the Openmoko hw/driver team to investigate again. | | -Timo | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | I don't get any data out of event2 and event3. Even if i kill neod, I | get no data. But I wonder why Eightball ran some days ago. Now it | doesnt run either. As you could probably see, I am runnung 2007.2 Image. what does cat /proc/interrupts say? -Andy Without x startet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 16: 2s3c-ext0 lis302dl 17: 1s3c-ext0 modem 30:8506114 s3c S3C2410 Timer Tick 33: 14 s3c s3c24xx_hcd 35:1990012 s3c I2S PCM Stereo out 37:202 s3c S3c24xx SDIO host controller 41: 41714 s3c s3c2410_udc 42: 0 s3c ohci_hcd:usb1 43: 37631 s3c s3c2440-i2c 48: 1 s3c-ext Neo1973 Headphone Jack 49: 1 s3c-ext ar6000 50: 1 s3c-ext Neo1973 AUX button 51: 3 s3c-ext Neo1973 HOLD button 53: 58 s3c-ext pcf50633 60: 2 s3c-ext lis302dl 70: 72144 s3c-uart0 s3c2440-uart 71: 29348 s3c-uart0 s3c2440-uart 73: 0 s3c-uart1 s3c2440-uart 74: 2 s3c-uart1 s3c2440-uart 76: 0 s3c-uart2 s3c2440-uart 77: 20 s3c-uart2 s3c2440-uart 79: 87 s3c-adc s3c2410_action 80: 21291 s3c-adc s3c2410_action Err: 0 With x startet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 16: 2s3c-ext0 lis302dl 17: 1s3c-ext0 modem 30:8522896 s3c S3C2410 Timer Tick 33: 14 s3c s3c24xx_hcd 35:1993946 s3c I2S PCM Stereo out 37:202 s3c S3c24xx SDIO host controller 41: 46526 s3c s3c2410_udc 42: 0 s3c ohci_hcd:usb1 43: 37703 s3c s3c2440-i2c 48: 1 s3c-ext Neo1973 Headphone Jack 49: 1 s3c-ext ar6000 50: 1 s3c-ext Neo1973 AUX button 51: 3 s3c-ext Neo1973 HOLD button 53: 59 s3c-ext pcf50633 60: 2 s3c-ext lis302dl 70: 72362 s3c-uart0 s3c2440-uart 71: 29404 s3c-uart0 s3c2440-uart 73: 0 s3c-uart1 s3c2440-uart 74: 2 s3c-uart1 s3c2440-uart 76: 0 s3c-uart2 s3c2440-uart 77: 20 s3c-uart2 s3c2440-uart 79: 87 s3c-adc s3c2410_action 80: 21291 s3c-adc s3c2410_action Err: 0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIpW4tlYiDScJJ+7QRAmZYAJ9KSEBaEo9syXgVVtFaIs0NfHL3iACgxb4/ u/ooW1g6V9kUJgw/TzxauXE= =OJ0J -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Use gps for clock correction
gpssight can do that: opkg install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/227/gpssight_0.8.4_freerunner.armv4t.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Use-gps-for-clock-correction-tp724037p726075.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Use gps for clock correction
On Aug 14, Russell Sears wrote: GPS would be perfect for updating time, cause the time sent is more exact then the times, you can get by any other way. What about ntpd, can it handle gps-data? http://time.qnan.org/ ntp has full gps/nmea support, even with PPS: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/drivers/driver20.html http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/refclock.html Does the FR have access to the PPS signal from the GPS chip? That might if not, please add that feature request for GTA03++ ! is there a chance to solder a wire from ublox to some free digital input line which can trigger an interrupt (serial handshake line or similar) for gta02 ? having PPS would be really nice... I wonder how hard it would be to add GSM time broadcast support to NTP... I've been told that time quality of GSM is (or at least has been?) _very_ bad, (errors from seconds to minutes, at least on germany) ?!? not exactly what you'd expect as time source for ntp then ;-) Harald -- I hope to die ___ _ before I *have* to use Microsoft Word., 0--,|/OOO\ Donald E. Knuth, 02-Oct-2001 in Tuebingen._/ / /OOO\ \ \/OOO\ \ O|// \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Harald Koenig // / \\ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ ^ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: atd: how to start a job every 10 minutes ?
On Aug 15, Roland Mas wrote: You may want ot look at cron instead of at. at is for one-time jobs, cron is for recurring jobs. will cron work while FR being suspended ? haven't checked yet, but so far I've read this only from atd, and atd exclusively opens /dev/rtc (see hwclock problems...) bute maybe there is a OM cron version which interfaces with atd ?! I'll check, thanks for the pointer... Harald -- I hope to die ___ _ before I *have* to use Microsoft Word., 0--,|/OOO\ Donald E. Knuth, 02-Oct-2001 in Tuebingen._/ / /OOO\ \ \/OOO\ \ O|// \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Harald Koenig // / \\ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ ^ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Christian Anke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Freitag 15 August 2008 13:37:56 schrieb Andy Green: what does cat /proc/interrupts say? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 16: 12s3c-ext0 lis302dl 17: 1s3c-ext0 modem 30:3750756 s3c S3C2410 Timer Tick 33: 82 s3c s3c24xx_hcd 35: 875432 s3c I2S PCM Stereo out 37:394 s3c S3c24xx SDIO host controller 41: 26970 s3c s3c2410_udc 42:598 s3c ohci_hcd:usb1 43: 15721 s3c s3c2440-i2c 48: 1 s3c-ext Neo1973 Headphone Jack 49: 0 s3c-ext ar6000 50: 1 s3c-ext Neo1973 AUX button 51: 1 s3c-ext Neo1973 HOLD button 53: 8 s3c-ext pcf50633 60: 2 s3c-ext lis302dl 70: 4448 s3c-uart0 s3c2440-uart 71: 2367 s3c-uart0 s3c2440-uart 76: 0 s3c-uart2 s3c2440-uart 77: 20 s3c-uart2 s3c2440-uart 79: 37 s3c-adc s3c2410_action 80: 5921 s3c-adc s3c2410_action Err: 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (as you see, that's easy to tell you and many seem to have this problem - you get many answers :) r - and than you for all the great work Andy!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Hi Yaroslav, Well, that might be an idea to use both accelerometers. Currently (in this release), the daemons can use either of the accelerometers (top or bottom); it just depends on the arguments that are used to start the daemons. However, there are models only for the top accelerometer. Try running gesm --neo2 --config /etc/accelges/neo2 --new up.model (for top accel) or gesm --neo3 --config /etc/accelges/neo3 --new up.model (for bottom accel) What we might need to really improve the accuracy, is a gyroscope. Perhaps in GTA03? Thanks, Paul On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko site-openmoko.org@ onerussian.com wrote: cool! Thanks! 1 quick question. wiki says: Remark: The Alpha 2 Release uses the TOP accelerometer. Are you planing to develop the accelerometer further to make use of all (ie both now) acceelerometers present at the same time to improve sensitivity/specificity of the detection? :-) -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
There's a bug unfortunately with the landscape mode. I think half of it has been corrected (on FSO). Paul On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:07 PM, C R McClenaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Bravo - coolest app to date. I've installed on FSO MS2 with updates for dependencies. For me not only is the keyboard having difficulty but other screen touches in the two new landscape modes are not always calibrated correctly. Now I'll have to read the rest of the documentation to see how to connect the gestures to an action. Chris On Aug 14, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Ben Holt wrote: Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Have fun with it! Excellent, the gestures seem to be working well for me, thanks! As a somewhat related aside, I haven't played with the landscape view before and am noticing that the keyboard isn't properly calibrated. It looks to expect the keyboard to be centred on the screen, not left justified as it appears. As such typing is pretty difficult. - Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Yes, I'll have to rethink the design a little bit to reduce power consumption. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cool! Thanks! 1 quick question. wiki says: Remark: The Alpha 2 Release uses the TOP accelerometer. Are you planing to develop the accelerometer further to make use of all (ie both now) acceelerometers present at the same time to improve sensitivity/specificity of the detection? :-) -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community maybe when using both accelerometers it would be possible to use a smaller resolution (checking the accelermoters with a larger interval) to reduce cpu-load and powerconsumption? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Don't know what to say here, sorry. Paul On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Christian Anke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 20:50:54 schrieb carcinoma: Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 20:23:02 schrieb Ben Holt: Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Have fun with it! i'm sad, because the hexdump for /dev/input/event2 has no output... result is: no working gesture capturing. what can i do to activate the top accelerometer? please help me, it's such a nice thing.. Carci ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community what is with this? the top accelerometer does not work! Also after restarting the neo. can this be a hardware fault? Carci ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Try the 2008.8 release. Paul On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Timo Jyrinki schrieb: 2008/8/15 Christian Anke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: what is with this? the top accelerometer does not work! Also after restarting the neo. can this be a hardware fault? Same problem here. The earlier version of gestures worked for me once, but didn't work later on. hexdumping event3 seems to show data, but currently nothing from event2 despite reboots. Probably something for the Openmoko hw/driver team to investigate again. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I don't get any data out of event2 and event3. Even if i kill neod, I get no data. But I wonder why Eightball ran some days ago. Now it doesnt run either. As you could probably see, I am runnung 2007.2 Image. Greetungs Bastian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIpWg3lYiDScJJ+7QRArmHAKCDteLYYvyw4Tk0F1kRt/8q0Ol7LwCgmSwj u6Q1kKSxQv4aAcXleHA3dWo= =CIzh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
I'll probably do a better integration with the framework on the next release. Paul On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:30 AM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really great work! But I don't think a service depending on a running xserver should be an init script (even if the script can require the X init script to be ready). Imho it would be better to use the X infrastructure for that, maybe by an Xsession file. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Paul-Valentin Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, didn't know that. I'll definitely try it out. Thanks, Paul On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Harald Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul, On Aug 14, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: There's a quick way to install it, and a more detailed way... Read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures really nice work! a quick hint how to start from ssh login, just use DISPLAY=:0 /etc/init.d/gesl start instead of /etc/init.d/gesl start Harald -- I hope to die ___ _ before I *have* to use Microsoft Word., 0--,|/OOO\ Donald E. Knuth, 02-Oct-2001 in Tuebingen._/ / /OOO\ \ \/OOO\ \ O|// \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Harald Koenig // / \\ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ ^ -- http://www.borza.ro ___ devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS under FSO [Was: Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?]
Am Freitag 15 August 2008 09:02:42 schrieb Russell Sears: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 19:08:39 schrieb Russell Sears: Anyway, [music|gps] + gprs + phone seem to play nice in FSO. (I hacked up a openmoko-mediaplayer package. Cool. Headphone insertion isn't detected yet, but it does mute/stop the music when you pick up the phone). Please add a ticket. Where? I just added a bunch of FSO tickets to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/; which has an FSO option in the milestone pulldown menu. Then I found trac.freesmartphone.org Hmm, ok. I'll remember these. In the future, until there's a software that includes the framework, I'd rather like to see the bugs in trac.freesmartphone.org. However, they're still both CPU hogs... I've been looking into the ogg stuff a bit. I think the first step is to update the ivorbis package. Ok. I try to find someone to look into that. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
On the sensitivity issue... The time that the recognizer considers a gesture was made is unfortunately hard-coded with a #define in this release (sorry for that). However, there's something you can do (you can train the classifier to detect dynamic acceleration - i.e. when you make a gesture - to be more rigid). You can't do it in GUI mode, but you can use the console: There are 2 classes: static acceleration (s.class), and dynamic accelration (d.class) Train the dynamic acceleration class: gesm --neo2 --config /etc/accelges/neo2 --new d.class gesm --neo2 --config /etc/accelges/neo2 --train d.class Be aware that this isn't a gesture training, as it's a classifier's class creation, and training. So when you make shake the phone here, you'll have to press the screen of the Neo (doesn't matter where) at all time while you make the move. When you release the screen, your dynamic class will be adapted. Also, once you do this, all the gestures can be considered trash. You'll have to create, train all the gestures (use the GUI). Well, acceleration is not direction unfortunately. A gyroscope can solve this problems - an accelerometer, and a gyroscope will solve these kind of problems. I can do something in the next release to correct the landscape, move upwards detects right problem; I will try that. No, you can't do that right now, as the duration is hard-coded for now. To tool how a gesture looks like, run: gesm --neo2 --config /etc/accelges/neo2 --view up.model or whatever model you like - it's a continuous density left-to-right hidden Markov model Thanks, Paul On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks good :) Here's my experiences, don't know if these are planned for future releases: I don't know if something is wrong for me though because it's really sensitive. Handling my phone ordinarally and gently results in a lot of 'shake shake'. Would it be possible to require a constant shaking motion for 2 seconds or something before it registers? Also it doesn't seem to factor out gravity (I don't know if that is possible?) For example, if I turn my phone upside down, the screen orientation goes with it (Which works great by the way!). If I jerk my phone to the right, up comes 'left'. That's not right. (Hahaha punny!) And if I hold my screen purpendicular to the ground, and jerk the phone upwards and then downwards it detects 'forward, backward' etc etc etc. You're the expert so correct me if I'm wrong, but can we not detect a reasonably consistant 1G force, and then apply a rotation matrix or something to every input value so that things are relative to that direction (And only change the known gravity direction if 1G is sustained in one direction for a long enough period of time) ? These training files, how advanced are they? Would I be able to write one that says something like 'If the accelerometer detects between three and five sudden changes in direction over #Gs that occur over a period that's no less than 2 seconds but no more than 4 seconds?', or stuff that advanced? Thanks for the great work so far :) On Thursday 14 August 2008 13:01:35 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: I'm proud to announce that the new release of accelerometer-based gestures, and screen orientation is now available for download. What you've seen in the video from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2S2rQUETwc is now available. This release includes: An application with user interface that allows the user to train the gestures for himself/herself; A listener daemon that sends a notification on the screen of the recognized gesture; Automatically switch of screen orientation for the four possible modes (2xportrait, and 2xlandscape). Here's the direct link for the release: http://accelges.googlecode.com/files/accelges_0.1.0-svnr204-r2_armv4t.ipk You can find documentation, installation instructions, screenshots etc. on the Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures There's a quick way to install it, and a more detailed way... Read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures I would suggest carefully reading the instructions, and running the gesture listener as soon as you install the package (i.e. before training). Of course, the gestures were not trained for you (unfortunately I had a limited set of training data - only myself), so you'll have to train them for yourself. Have fun with it! Thanks, Paul -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing
Re: GPRS under FSO [Was: Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?]
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 23:32 (-0700), Russell Sears wrote: The package I'm using (and dependency packages) is now up at http://hedora.ath.cx/moko/ Thanks! Most dependencies I already had installed from the °angström-base-feed. To install your mediaplayer-package I only had to change the corresponding md5-sum in /var/lib/opkg/base. Note that the player also works if openmoko-soundsystem2 is not installed -- even better: no pulseaudio running saves quite some CPU-cycles. I simply tried that as I didn't felt comfortable with pulseaudio returning to my moko and so far it works for me. Only the GUI is buggy and sometimes not responsive, but I suppose that's not related to the sound output. On the cpu-hogging: playing mp3s takes constantly ~30% (with and without pulseaudio). But mplayer also uses 25%, while in OM2007.2 it was around 10%. So maybe this is not a mediaplayer-issue but one of the sound-subsystem? Cheers, /Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Adding libraries/packages to the toolchain using bitbake / openembedded
Hi! I'm trying to build navit using the openmoko toolchain. The problem is that it seems to require the libgps include files for gpsd support. Ideally I'd like to add a package to the toolchain using a bitbake recipe from the openmoko git repository. I have tried to find the relevant documentation on the wiki, but have only found [1], which seems to be an odd way (replicating all the work which went in to the bitbake recipes). Can someone please explain how to add packages to the installed toolchain using bitbake? I'll volunteer to document the procedure on the Wiki as soon as it works for me. Cheers, Florian [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Installing_additional_libraries_into_the_toolchain -- DI Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hackenberger.at ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Cable for the JTAG Connector on the Freerunner
Hi! For a robotics project, I'd like to interface my Freerunner with a custom board using the serial interface exposed on the JTAG connector. Could someone please point me to the specification of the required cable? Has someone a link for purchasing such a cable? I don't want to add the complete debug board to my setup, just for the serial connection. Cheers, Florian http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Connecting_Neo1973_with_Debug_Board_v2#Neo1973_side -- DI Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hackenberger.at ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cable for the JTAG Connector on the Freerunner
Florian Hackenberger wrote: Hi! For a robotics project, I'd like to interface my Freerunner with a custom board using the serial interface exposed on the JTAG connector. Could someone please point me to the specification of the required cable? Has someone a link for purchasing such a cable? I don't want to add the complete debug board to my setup, just for the serial connection. Cheers, Florian http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Connecting_Neo1973_with_Debug_Board_v2#Neo1973_side this may some help: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board_v3#Serial_Port ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Well, that might be an idea to use both accelerometers. Currently (in more is usually better than less ;-) I haven't yet looked at the machine learning part of the recognition you do (I know that you described it in your MS thesis I think), but doubling the number of features for classification/detection should have only positive effects here -- those features are not bogus and well correlated with each other, thus I would expect significant boost in performance. And taking the fact that recognition works quite well already with just a single accelerometer is great news -- it means that with 2 it should be just better ;-) -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Adding libraries/packages to the toolchain using bitbake / openembedded
Florian Hackenberger wrote: Hi! I'm trying to build navit using the openmoko toolchain. The problem is that it seems to require the libgps include files for gpsd support. Ideally I'd like to add a package to the toolchain using a bitbake recipe from the openmoko git repository. I have tried to find the relevant documentation on the wiki, but have only found [1], which seems to be an odd way (replicating all the work which went in to the bitbake recipes). Can someone please explain how to add packages to the installed toolchain using bitbake? I'll volunteer to document the procedure on the Wiki as soon as it works for me. Cheers, Florian [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Installing_additional_libraries_into_the_toolchain You may want to have a look at this earlier thread about Navit: http://n2.nabble.com/Navit--td669852ef1958.html#none I didn't manage to compile it in the end, but there are links to compiled versions there which I ended up using. The short answer to your question appears to be that you need to install libgpsd or gpsd-devel on your machine, using whatever packaging tool your distro uses. The concensus seems to be that once you install this, the build process will find the file it needs without any fuss. As I said, I didn't manage to compile it, though, so I can't say for certain... Cheers, -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS under FSO [Was: Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?]
Lovely. Thanks. Can someone please test and wikify? Thanks, Michael Russell Sears wrote: The package I'm using (and dependency packages) is now up at http://hedora.ath.cx/moko/ Let me know if you hit any problems. -Rusty Russell Sears wrote: There are a bunch of manual steps right now: - openmoko-mediaplayer is hardcoded to use pulseaudio. Switching to alsa is a one-line change. - the mediaplayer theme files need to live in the Raleigh directory not in Moko - There's some dependency on a openmoko sound system. I don't know what it does, or if it's needed. - I pulled packages out of my mokomakefile, and installed them using opkg - there are lots of pulseaudio dependencies to be removed, so I used opkg --force-depends to install the mediaplayer package. Some of the packages may be unnecessary / cause breakage. My home server is down at the moment, so I don't have anywhere to stick the modified binary... I'll figure out what's going on with it and post better directions and the binary tonight. -Rusty Benito wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:08 (-0700), Russell Sears wrote: Anyway, [music|gps] + gprs + phone seem to play nice in FSO. (I hacked up a openmoko-mediaplayer package. Would you provide that to us? I'd like to use it, too. Thx, /Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Adding libraries/packages to the toolchain using bitbake / openembedded
On Friday 15 August 2008, Dale Maggee wrote: You may want to have a look at this earlier thread about Navit: I didn't manage to compile it in the end, but there are links to compiled versions there which I ended up using. Thanks, I'm using the compiled packages, but I'd like to fix a few bugs in navit. The short answer to your question appears to be that you need to install libgpsd or gpsd-devel on your machine, using whatever packaging tool your distro uses. The concensus seems to be that once you install this, the build process will find the file it needs without any fuss. Well, I'd consider that...a hack, at best. What if the version of the package does not match? What if I need to add a library which has not yet been packaged? However, thanks for the tip! The general issue is still up for discussion though. How can I add packages / libraries to the toolchain? Could someone from the core developers (or another OM build system expert) please explain? Cheers, Florian -- DI Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hackenberger.at ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Experiences from a new user/owner and a question.
Hey, I received my OpenMoko freerunner this monday and I played around with it the whole week and this is my experience with it. I didn't like the software that came with it (I guess that is 2007.2), I just didn't like the look and feel of it. So I installed ASU on it and that felt better, but it isn't quit stable. So I installed 2008.8 from the build host, these feel more stable, but can't seem to find the installer on it ??? So, now I'm running Qtopia on it which just feels much more mature and stable and makes the phone usable as a 'phone'. Now, what is the best thing to do? I guess I would like to keep using qtopia as long as 2008.8 isn't ready for every day use. But now my question is: is which version should I install on the sd card? The official 2008.8 release and try to update that or install the version from the build host? Also updates don't seem to work (I have usb networking and added a nameserver to resolve.conf). And now I just want to say that is a really nice a good looking solid feeling machine and I like playing with it :-) Regards, Dimitri ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Dear OpenMoko community, the FSO packaging team of the Debian project[1] is happy to announce that we have started to provide installation procedures and packages required to have your FreeRunner[2] run Debian-powered. This means that you can use your favorite tools such as apt-get and the other 20.000 packages on your FreeRunner, including the freesmartphone.org[3] software stack. You can also develop applications for your FreeRunner the “Debian way”. To install Debian onto your MicroSD card, alongside your current Image on the internal Flash, see the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner These will provide you with a minimal Debian installation plus everything required to use zhone. From there on, you are free to modify your system as you wish – with the full power and flexibility of the Debian system. Note that Debian does not try provide yet another software stack (or “Distribution” in the OpenMoko slang) next to 2007.2, 2008.8 or FSO, but rather an alternative base, comparable to OpenEmbedded[3]. We are looking forward to also support other stacks such as the Stable Hybrid Release[4], once they are ready for that. All this is still very new and was created during at the DebConf 8 in Mar de Plata since last week. This means that there are still bugs and other things to improve. You are invited to join the development by subscribing to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list that the Debian team shares with the FSO team. There is also a wiki page[6] with more information on the pkg-fso team, including a TODO section. I’d like to thank Jon “maddog” Hall from Koolu[7] for lending me an additional device for installation tests, and all the other testers at DebConf and elsewhere that helped us to remove at least some of the bugs. But don’t worry – I’m sure there are some bugs left for you! Please send replies and further discussion to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list, but note that you have to subscribe to that list first. Enjoy! Joachim Breitner on behalf of the pkg-fso team: Philipp Kern Jan Lübbe Luca Capello [1] http://www.debian.org [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner [3] http://wiki.openembedded.net/ [4] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release [5] http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards [6] http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-fso [7] http://www.koolu.com/ -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Adding libraries/packages to the toolchain using bitbake / openembedded
Well, I'd consider that...a hack, at best. What if the version of the package does not match? What if I need to add a library which has not yet been packaged? However, thanks for the tip! if that hack works, it means the build system is looking for headers and so on in system wide pathes. thus: the hack is either supposed to be the right way to do things or the build system is rather broken ... The general issue is still up for discussion though. How can I add packages / libraries to the toolchain? Could someone from the core developers (or another OM build system expert) please explain? according to the things above probably by setting the according variables fpr configure, gccc and so on or by scanning the config-files for hard coded pathes like /usr/include/. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiences from a new user/owner and a question.
question is: is which version should I install on the sd card? The what you like best. official 2008.8 release and try to update that or install the version from the build host? Also updates don't seem to work (I have usb networking and added a nameserver to resolve.conf). w/o useful informations _what_ fails and _what_ does not work and how those failures manifest themselves, probably nobody can help you there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiences from a new user/owner and a question.
2008/8/15 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] question is: is which version should I install on the sd card? The what you like best. why?? oO THe sd is faster then the flash ? official 2008.8 release and try to update that or install the version from the build host? Also updates don't seem to work (I have usb networking and added a nameserver to resolve.conf). w/o useful informations _what_ fails and _what_ does not work and how those failures manifest themselves, probably nobody can help you there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
thanks godness, it's weekend! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiences from a new user/owner and a question.
Thomas Bertani wrote: 2008/8/15 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] question is: is which version should I install on the sd card? The what you like best. why?? oO THe sd is faster then the flash ? i think arne anka means which version install on the sd card is up to you :-) official 2008.8 release and try to update that or install the version from the build host? Also updates don't seem to work (I have usb networking and added a nameserver to resolve.conf). w/o useful informations _what_ fails and _what_ does not work and how those failures manifest themselves, probably nobody can help you there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QTopia and WiFi
Christ van Willegen wrote: I guess this must be either too obvious, or hidden somewhere, or very easy and I've been too stupid to find it yet (you choose...), but I haven't been able to do WiFi with QTopia yet... Where do I turn on WiFi and register my (WPA2) key? In Settings-Internet. But I haven't managed to get it to connect to my WPA AP so far (but I have not really looked into the issue). -- Tobias PGP: http://9ac7e0bc.uguu.de このメールは十割再利用されたビットで作られています。 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | 16: 1821s3c-ext0 lis302dl | 60: 199660 s3c-ext lis302dl Hum seems like they still want to stop making interrupts. Two guys they only get 2 or 12 interrupts and then nothing, this one 1800 on one and presumably it continues to make 200K interrupts on the other. I guess I study it next week, although last time I looked it worked fine, I made an applet to show a moving square in framebuffer according to X / Y and Z (square area). - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkilsXgACgkQOjLpvpq7dMr5bwCfSwoIxCWfOPw29uNORiBf7BZG +noAn2IvUImlpBQbk/dIfjbsHowaCFDz =ur1F -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
You're right, but with the expense of more computational power; and indeed it's all about the features that the hmm, and classifier use :) Paul On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko site-openmoko.org@ onerussian.com wrote: Well, that might be an idea to use both accelerometers. Currently (in more is usually better than less ;-) I haven't yet looked at the machine learning part of the recognition you do (I know that you described it in your MS thesis I think), but doubling the number of features for classification/detection should have only positive effects here -- those features are not bogus and well correlated with each other, thus I would expect significant boost in performance. And taking the fact that recognition works quite well already with just a single accelerometer is great news -- it means that with 2 it should be just better ;-) -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Locations (2008.8) Questions.
Hello, - where are the tiles downloaded while using Locations saved ? /tmp/diversity-maps ?? If they are, is there a way to save them somewhere different ? so I do not have to download them all the time. Or i can create a map package like : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Locations#Create_Offline_Maps and save them my_map1.eek but if I download news tiles, I have to think about creating a my_maps2.eek, before I reboot the FR again... I wish there was a way to have all the map saved in a permanent locations... - Also, If I want to use/Download some Google_maps (for personal usage) and use them with Location , how do I do that ? I am going to vacation in a location there is no OSM map, and I would like to have the gmap instead... Regards Philippe ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
As a heads up to everyone, this may not work with an SDHC card. u-boot (to the best of my knowledge) doesn't support SDHC, even though the linux kernel does. So when u-boot goes to read the FAT filesystem and load in the kernel, it fails. One thing that might work (Although it may mess you up in terms of kernel modules and such?) is setting up u-boot to load the kernel from flash (which you use with your openembedded openmoko distribution) and then pointing the kernel command line toward your SDHC Debian root partition. To do this, you will have to boot up u-boot with the prompt. Press and hold the power button, and THEN (after, not before) press and hold the AUX button.. and hold them until you see the the boot prompt. Then connect a USB cable, and if your PC has the right drivers, you should have access to a serial port, such as /dev/ttyACM0 which you can connect to, in order to get a u-boot command line. These commands should get you started: printenv setenv saveenv Notice the menu_# variables. You'll want to make a hybrid which boots exactly the same as internal flash (taking the kernel from flash) except that the root=xyz paramater will be different. I suggest that someone make up a wiki article explaining how to do this while they're figuring it out. (I've already had to do it once myself) On Friday 15 August 2008 12:04:03 Joachim Breitner wrote: Dear OpenMoko community, the FSO packaging team of the Debian project[1] is happy to announce that we have started to provide installation procedures and packages required to have your FreeRunner[2] run Debian-powered. This means that you can use your favorite tools such as apt-get and the other 20.000 packages on your FreeRunner, including the freesmartphone.org[3] software stack. You can also develop applications for your FreeRunner the “Debian way”. To install Debian onto your MicroSD card, alongside your current Image on the internal Flash, see the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner These will provide you with a minimal Debian installation plus everything required to use zhone. From there on, you are free to modify your system as you wish – with the full power and flexibility of the Debian system. Note that Debian does not try provide yet another software stack (or “Distribution” in the OpenMoko slang) next to 2007.2, 2008.8 or FSO, but rather an alternative base, comparable to OpenEmbedded[3]. We are looking forward to also support other stacks such as the Stable Hybrid Release[4], once they are ready for that. All this is still very new and was created during at the DebConf 8 in Mar de Plata since last week. This means that there are still bugs and other things to improve. You are invited to join the development by subscribing to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list that the Debian team shares with the FSO team. There is also a wiki page[6] with more information on the pkg-fso team, including a TODO section. I’d like to thank Jon “maddog” Hall from Koolu[7] for lending me an additional device for installation tests, and all the other testers at DebConf and elsewhere that helped us to remove at least some of the bugs. But don’t worry – I’m sure there are some bugs left for you! Please send replies and further discussion to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list, but note that you have to subscribe to that list first. Enjoy! Joachim Breitner on behalf of the pkg-fso team: Philipp Kern Jan Lübbe Luca Capello [1] http://www.debian.org [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner [3] http://wiki.openembedded.net/ [4] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release [5] http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards [6] http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-fso [7] http://www.koolu.com/ -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Ah, this seems to have more information. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Boot_from_SDHC It says 'u-boot from 2008-07-23 or later' will boot from SDHC. On Friday 15 August 2008 13:41:19 Daniel Benoy wrote: As a heads up to everyone, this may not work with an SDHC card. u-boot (to the best of my knowledge) doesn't support SDHC, even though the linux kernel does. So when u-boot goes to read the FAT filesystem and load in the kernel, it fails. One thing that might work (Although it may mess you up in terms of kernel modules and such?) is setting up u-boot to load the kernel from flash (which you use with your openembedded openmoko distribution) and then pointing the kernel command line toward your SDHC Debian root partition. To do this, you will have to boot up u-boot with the prompt. Press and hold the power button, and THEN (after, not before) press and hold the AUX button.. and hold them until you see the the boot prompt. Then connect a USB cable, and if your PC has the right drivers, you should have access to a serial port, such as /dev/ttyACM0 which you can connect to, in order to get a u-boot command line. These commands should get you started: printenv setenv saveenv Notice the menu_# variables. You'll want to make a hybrid which boots exactly the same as internal flash (taking the kernel from flash) except that the root=xyz paramater will be different. I suggest that someone make up a wiki article explaining how to do this while they're figuring it out. (I've already had to do it once myself) On Friday 15 August 2008 12:04:03 Joachim Breitner wrote: Dear OpenMoko community, the FSO packaging team of the Debian project[1] is happy to announce that we have started to provide installation procedures and packages required to have your FreeRunner[2] run Debian-powered. This means that you can use your favorite tools such as apt-get and the other 20.000 packages on your FreeRunner, including the freesmartphone.org[3] software stack. You can also develop applications for your FreeRunner the “Debian way”. To install Debian onto your MicroSD card, alongside your current Image on the internal Flash, see the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner These will provide you with a minimal Debian installation plus everything required to use zhone. From there on, you are free to modify your system as you wish – with the full power and flexibility of the Debian system. Note that Debian does not try provide yet another software stack (or “Distribution” in the OpenMoko slang) next to 2007.2, 2008.8 or FSO, but rather an alternative base, comparable to OpenEmbedded[3]. We are looking forward to also support other stacks such as the Stable Hybrid Release[4], once they are ready for that. All this is still very new and was created during at the DebConf 8 in Mar de Plata since last week. This means that there are still bugs and other things to improve. You are invited to join the development by subscribing to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list that the Debian team shares with the FSO team. There is also a wiki page[6] with more information on the pkg-fso team, including a TODO section. I’d like to thank Jon “maddog” Hall from Koolu[7] for lending me an additional device for installation tests, and all the other testers at DebConf and elsewhere that helped us to remove at least some of the bugs. But don’t worry – I’m sure there are some bugs left for you! Please send replies and further discussion to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list, but note that you have to subscribe to that list first. Enjoy! Joachim Breitner on behalf of the pkg-fso team: Philipp Kern Jan Lübbe Luca Capello [1] http://www.debian.org [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner [3] http://wiki.openembedded.net/ [4] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release [5] http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards [6] http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-fso [7] http://www.koolu.com/ -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: atd: how to start a job every 10 minutes ?
2008/8/15 Harald Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Aug 15, Roland Mas wrote: You may want ot look at cron instead of at. at is for one-time jobs, cron is for recurring jobs. will cron work while FR being suspended ? haven't checked yet, but so far I've read this only from atd, and atd exclusively opens /dev/rtc (see hwclock problems...) bute maybe there is a OM cron version which interfaces with atd ?! I'll check, thanks for the pointer... If not, then you can write a script that executes whatever you want and then adds itself to atd. -- Those who do not understand recursion are doomed. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Request for 2007.2 /etc/pulse/session default file
I did something really dumb and blew away my /etc/pulse/session file. Can somebody post theirs for me if they still have it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS under FSO [Was: Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?]
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Freitag 15 August 2008 09:02:42 schrieb Russell Sears: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 19:08:39 schrieb Russell Sears: Anyway, [music|gps] + gprs + phone seem to play nice in FSO. (I hacked up a openmoko-mediaplayer package. Cool. Headphone insertion isn't detected yet, but it does mute/stop the music when you pick up the phone). Please add a ticket. Where? I just added a bunch of FSO tickets to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/; which has an FSO option in the milestone pulldown menu. Then I found trac.freesmartphone.org Hmm, ok. I'll remember these. In the future, until there's a software that includes the framework, I'd rather like to see the bugs in trac.freesmartphone.org. Maybe the openmoko trac should document this, by adding the following sentence to the create new ticket page: Problems with the FSO framework and images should be reported to the freesmartphone.org trac trac should link to trac.freesmartphone.org Are there other trac's that bug reporters should know about? Also, I hit a bug involving the events thread and avahi-daemon on an FSO image. Where does that go? I ask so the answer can be documented on the 'create new ticket page' or somewhere on the wiki... ;) However, they're still both CPU hogs... I've been looking into the ogg stuff a bit. I think the first step is to update the ivorbis package. Ok. I try to find someone to look into that. Great! Though getting oprofile working (as a easy-to-install package) is a higher priority IMHO. Needing to move ivorbis to some combination of low-mem, tremolo and low-accuracy mode is my best guess, but it could be that gstreamer is doing something silly to oggs, but not mp3s, or some other strange problem... (see https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1614 for ogg stuff, and https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1193 for problems with IPC and arm's synchronization primitives.) Also, for packages like ivorbis, which repository / distribution should people repackage for? Is angstrom upstream of everyone else? Is there a URL/wikipage somewhere? I spent a few hours with the wiki trying to answer this question for openmoko-mediaplayer2 last night... -Rusty ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QTopia and WiFi
Tobias Diedrich wrote: Christ van Willegen wrote: I guess this must be either too obvious, or hidden somewhere, or very easy and I've been too stupid to find it yet (you choose...), but I haven't been able to do WiFi with QTopia yet... Where do I turn on WiFi and register my (WPA2) key? In Settings-Internet. But I haven't managed to get it to connect to my WPA AP so far (but I have not really looked into the issue). If you are talking about Trolltechs Qtopia released 8/8/08 then I have managed to get Wifi to work using their setup using WPA2. It did take a while to get going though. The WPA settings are in the Internet setup, but hidden as you need to scroll the settings down to get to them. Also if you click on the setup it will try to connect and say pending if it cannot connect which stops the properties menu setting appearing. I had ssh in and kill off the all the processes involved in wifi to get that to work. Lorn mentioned you can click on the item and then slide the stylus down and release off of the itme which will select it but not cause it to try to connect, then you can select properties and setup the wpa password etc. Anyway bottom line is does work. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for 2007.2 /etc/pulse/session default file
#!/usr/bin/pulseaudio -nF # Create autoload entries for the device drivers add-autoload-sink output module-alsa-sink sink_name=output add-autoload-source input module-alsa-source source_name=input # Load several protocols load-module module-esound-protocol-unix load-module module-simple-protocol-tcp load-module module-native-protocol-unix load-module module-cli-protocol-unix # Make some devices default set-default-sink output set-default-source input # Don't fail if the audio files referred to below don't exist .nofail # Load an audio to the sample cache for usage with module-x11-bell load-sample-lazy x11-bell /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/notify_doorbell.wav load-module module-x11-bell sample=x11-bell # Load samples load-sample startup /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/startup_unintrusive.wav load-sample touchscreen /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/touchscreen_click.wav load-sample ringtone /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/ringtone_classy.wav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for 2007.2 /etc/pulse/session default file
thanks for the quick response ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gadget lab review
Don't think this one has been posted on the list: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzkdfZAl9wk (it's quite positive) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I'm out of here.
Unfortunately, I've decided to sell my Freerunner on ebay. I love the phone, but the firmware just isn't ready for general use, and I lack the expertise to contribute toward the project. Thanks to everyone who's helped me over these last few weeks. Cheers. Dimitri -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/I%27m-out-of-here.-tp726761p726761.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Adding libraries/packages to the toolchain using bitbake / openembedded
Florian Hackenberger wrote: On Friday 15 August 2008, Dale Maggee wrote: You may want to have a look at this earlier thread about Navit: I didn't manage to compile it in the end, but there are links to compiled versions there which I ended up using. Thanks, I'm using the compiled packages, but I'd like to fix a few bugs in navit. Feel free to build an ipk with your fixes! ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm out of here.
Maybe you should give the debian/fso version a try. It sounds like it is quite stable. I will test it the next days because the 2008.8 is to unstable and the 2007.2 is not really good when it comes to use as a phone. Ciao, Rainer Dimitri wrote: Unfortunately, I've decided to sell my Freerunner on ebay. I love the phone, but the firmware just isn't ready for general use, and I lack the expertise to contribute toward the project. Thanks to everyone who's helped me over these last few weeks. Cheers. Dimitri ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
The installation works without any problems, but i get the following error when I try to use the skript (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner) for adjusting the uboot environment: Dumping current uboot environment dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Resetting USB... Opening USB Device... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=9, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 Merging debian menu entries into uboot environment ./configure-uboot.sh: line 80: uboot-envedit: command not found Where can I get uboot-envedit ? Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next Qtopia
On Thursday 14 August 2008 4:51:42 pm Marc Verwerft wrote: Lorn, Will the GPS app also work on the GTA01 (using the hammerhead chip)? The mapping demo application uses either gpsd or raw nmea output, so yes, it will work with gta01. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808
On Thursday 14 August 2008 5:49:58 pm Cédric Berger wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 22:01, Paul Buede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot find libgsmd-tool on qtopia, is it there somewhere, or by a different name? Then I could give you some real numbers... gsmd is not installed for qtopia. I would like to know what is the best method here to issue AT command to the modem ? Even a simple method (like an echo AT tty ) would help if it worked (I often need to get back to my provider and stop roaming. I have to do it manually since qtopia fails to) I previously had installed cu and could access /dev/ttySAC0 . but cu is not here in my reinstalled distribution. Now I have to reboot in 2007.2, use libgsmd-tool to register my provider, and reboot back to qtopia ! why do you need to do this? What AT commands are you needing to provide? -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
part of fso-utils package thus apt-get install fso-utils if you have all needed repositories added to your sources.list On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Michael Tansella wrote: The installation works without any problems, but i get the following error when I try to use the skript (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner) for adjusting the uboot environment: Dumping current uboot environment dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Resetting USB... Opening USB Device... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=9, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 Merging debian menu entries into uboot environment ./configure-uboot.sh: line 80: uboot-envedit: command not found Where can I get uboot-envedit ? Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 21:45, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 14 August 2008 5:49:58 pm Cédric Berger wrote: Now I have to reboot in 2007.2, use libgsmd-tool to register my provider, and reboot back to qtopia ! why do you need to do this? What AT commands are you needing to provide? In this case, it is AT+COPS=1,2,20810 where 20810 is my provider mm I may also ask for manual mode (not roaming automatically).. don't remember the command right now. I have a bug filled for this case where qtopia seems to issue these commands without the quotes, and it fails... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 21:34 +0200 schrieb Michael Tansella: The installation works without any problems, but i get the following error when I try to use the skript (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner) for adjusting the uboot environment: Dumping current uboot environment dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Resetting USB... Opening USB Device... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=9, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 Merging debian menu entries into uboot environment ./configure-uboot.sh: line 80: uboot-envedit: command not found Where can I get uboot-envedit ? Sorry, that should be added to the wiki (wanna do that? :-) It’s in the fso-utils packages that is provided by the pkg-fso feed mentioned on the wiki page (or the ./envedit.pl script in the devirginator sources, if that’s easier to find :-)) Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QTopia and WiFi
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 20:22, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway bottom line is does work. -- Thanks, I'll try again Well I manage to have it say connected, but have no network access... will keep trying I also have to try other settings of my modem wifi (TKIP, AES, or TKIP+AES ...) (Unless your success have anything related to your recompile of qtopia, ie. with openssl activated) Did you set anything, such as DNS server manually (in config files...) ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Friday 15 August 2008 22:02:09 Joachim Breitner wrote: Sorry, that should be added to the wiki (wanna do that? :-) It’s in the fso-utils packages that is provided by the pkg-fso feed mentioned on the wiki page (or the ./envedit.pl script in the devirginator sources, if that’s easier to find :-)) Greetings, Joachim The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? The wiki page is secured so I cannot add anything. Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm neo to 3.5mm stereo adaptor
Am Donnerstag 07 August 2008 15:48:50 schrieb Timo Jyrinki: 2008/8/7 Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm desperately looking for a (cheap?) 2.5mm to 3.5mm adaptor to use my normal headset with the neo. Does anyone preferably from Europe already have such a thing and can confirm it works properly (both stereo channels where they ought to be)? See MP35A at http://pc-mobile.net/audioadapter.htm - I have a few of those and they work great. The shop looks terrible but shipped those alright. -Timo Hereby confirmed. Mine arrived today and works perfectly. Thanks for the hint! :) -Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 22:31 +0200 schrieb arne anka: The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. Correct. The pkg-fso feed works both on i386 and armel, and the fso-utils package makes also sense on i386, for the remote flashing. It maybe also works from the phone itself (see the unused “uboot” stage of install.sh), but I had weird problems. Bold people with a craze for debugging are welcome to make that work. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:31:11 +0200 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. no, they are for using it from openmoko. i try use it on my desktop and get an error: E: System is not claiming to be an armv4tl. Are you sure that this is your Openmoko FreeRunner (GTA02)? -- Dariusz Łuksza [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
Florian Hackenberger wrote: On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Stroller wrote: Me, too. An exactly similar experience so far. But I think I will give them a few more days. I can recommend giving them a call. It takes a while until they pick up the phone, but they are very kind. They immediately agreed to send a replacement for the lost parcel (no arguing involved). You just need some patience on the phone (it's toll free). They never answered any of my emails though. FWIW, if you are calling from outside the US, you can use skype to call their toll-free number even without a skypeout account. I ordered mine on July 5th (and got the shipping confirmation on July 10th) and so far got nothing. I just called them and they were very nice and said they would resend on monday. However I think I had to wait about 20 minutes until I got to speak to the customer service. (But at least the music was not repetitive :)) -- Tobias PGP: http://9ac7e0bc.uguu.de このメールは十割再利用されたビットで作られています。 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Friday 15 August 2008 22:31:11 arne anka wrote: the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. Thanx that was it. But at the end I wasn't successful anyway. Now when I reboot I see first the Openmoko splash then a white screen then a short vibration and the Openmoko splash again ... If I chose boot from Flash 2008.08 starts correct. I got the following messages when using the script for adjusting the uBoot environment : Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=43, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14 dfuERROR, clearing status Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 bytes_per_hash=5242 Starting download: [##] finished! state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Done! Done modifying uboot environment Any idea? Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. no, they are for using it from openmoko. i try use it on my desktop and get an error: please specify! E: System is not claiming to be an armv4tl. Are you sure that this is your Openmoko FreeRunner (GTA02)? well, you're apparently speaking of something else. the fso-utils package from the apt-lines given in the debian-wiki resolve to x86 and amd64. which lines are you using? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 22:53 +0200 schrieb Michael Tansella: On Friday 15 August 2008 22:31:11 arne anka wrote: the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. Thanx that was it. But at the end I wasn't successful anyway. Now when I reboot I see first the Openmoko splash then a white screen then a short vibration and the Openmoko splash again ... If I chose boot from Flash 2008.08 starts correct. I got the following messages when using the script for adjusting the uBoot environment : Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=43, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=2, name=u-boot_env Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14 dfuERROR, clearing status Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 bytes_per_hash=5242 Starting download: [##] finished! state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Done! Done modifying uboot environment That looks good. Please start NAND uboot and select Boot, then you should be able to read an error message that might help us here, although you have to read fast. Greetings, Jochim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
what amount of space is required? due to problems with my 4 gig card (i/o errors because of a bug in openmoko) i use a 512mb card that shipped w/ the fr and right now in debian stage tha card is at it's limit: about 430mb, ~10 left. i will remove the content of /var/cache/apt/archives and /var/cache/bootstrap which should release about 150mb -- but will that cause problems afterwards? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
That looks good. Please start NAND uboot and select Boot, then you should be able to read an error message that might help us here, although you have to read fast. OK it's a little bit too fast I'll try to record it with my webcam... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 23:18 +0200 schrieb arne anka: what amount of space is required? due to problems with my 4 gig card (i/o errors because of a bug in openmoko) i use a 512mb card that shipped w/ the fr and right now in debian stage tha card is at it's limit: about 430mb, ~10 left. i will remove the content of /var/cache/apt/archives and /var/cache/bootstrap which should release about 150mb -- but will that cause problems afterwards? The installation should work fine with 512MB (although it’s a close call). But of course if you want to install more stuff later, you need to do good housekeeping. Greetins, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:58:10 +0200 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The feeds are for the debian system if I understand you right. But how do I install these packages without beeing able to boot debian from the sd card ? Should I install that in the openmoko flash image (currently 2008.08)? the tools are to be used on your host computer, i think. no, they are for using it from openmoko. i try use it on my desktop and get an error: please specify! E: System is not claiming to be an armv4tl. Are you sure that this is your Openmoko FreeRunner (GTA02)? well, you're apparently speaking of something else. the fso-utils package from the apt-lines given in the debian-wiki resolve to x86 and amd64. which lines are you using? i try install debian for FreeRunner on my desktop (which is running under gentoo) on flash card, and get such error, maybe there is some miss understanding of problem case. -- Dariusz Łuksza [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Locations (2008.8) Questions.
Feydreva wrote: Or i can create a map package like : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Locations#Create_Offline_Maps and save them my_map1.eek but if I download news tiles, I have to think about creating a my_maps2.eek, before I reboot the FR again... the instructions on the wiki look like the best way of doing it - doesn't sound too much hassle if you want to update it later personally, i think tangogps is a lot better, and it handles offline maps in a far simpler way I wish there was a way to have all the map saved in a permanent locations... - Also, If I want to use/Download some Google_maps (for personal usage) and use them with Location , how do I do that ? I am going to vacation in a location there is no OSM map, and I would like to have the gmap instead... that would be strictly against the terms and conditions of using google mapswhich is one the reasons osm was created i don't want to get anyone in trouble showing you here how to do it, but i think there's some hints on the maemo forum of the url format google uses, which should help with mass-downloading the area you want ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 23:52 +0200 schrieb Dariusz Łuksza: On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:58:10 +0200 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E: System is not claiming to be an armv4tl. Are you sure that this is your Openmoko FreeRunner (GTA02)? well, you're apparently speaking of something else. the fso-utils package from the apt-lines given in the debian-wiki resolve to x86 and amd64. i try install debian for FreeRunner on my desktop (which is running under gentoo) on flash card, and get such error, maybe there is some miss understanding of problem case. Sorry, this is not supported by the script, it’s meant to be ran on an image running on the phone. http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.txt.gismo has some notes on installing it on your desktop, but of course a lot has to be done manually. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Fights, flamewars and other disputes are part of a live community, so Not the good part. Collaboration, cooperation, and positive attitudes are the only thing that really count. Most of what I read on our community mailing list is utter garbage spewed from people with bad attitudes and a chip on their should. They are not Linus and they shouldn't act like they are. They should spend more time meditating, doing QA, or software development and reporting bugs or providing patches in a fashion that help the project and less time ranting... Yeah we all wish the OM stack was more stable (especially OM!). Thanks all. Peace. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?
Please use this page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard This page is new Olivier Berger ??: Dimitri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm with you, Dirk. This qtopia keyboard just doesn't function right. And switching .kbd files does nothing. Flicking only toggles the different views of the keyboard, none of which contain the enter or arrow keys. (Since we're throwing out essential keys, why stop there? Let's remove some letters too. I nominate the letter E.) I reinstalled matchbox, and I see it trying to come on, but it immediately gets cock-blocked by the qtopia keyboard. If someone could please explain how to disable the qtopia keyboard, I (and many others) would be most appreciative. And having : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle#Reactivating_the_keyboard_toggle_under_ASU up-to-date would help, I guess. ... if this is what it's about... I'm not sure : ASU vs. 2008.8... Anyway, might help ? Best regards, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
I was able to install it, not a big deal (though you have to read the wiki page carefully). Thank you for this, I'm sure more will follow - for some reason I trust now on debian and 2007.2. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hi, Am Samstag, den 16.08.2008, 05:12 +0300 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: I was able to install it, not a big deal (though you have to read the wiki page carefully). thanks for trying it. If you think you can make the wiki pager clearer in some way, feel free to just fix it. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim Breitner e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.joachim-breitner.de ICQ#: 74513189 Jabber-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which updates for Om 2008.8 ?
Julian Chu wrote: I am the leader of building stuff. We did a release in 2008.8 then provide a stable feed. Buidhost is a building machine that build many things with AUTOREV. That means everything comes from buildhost is *Unstable* We provide buildhost for the reason that we hopes we can provide latest packages for someone who like fresh. Right now it confused many people, we know that and are going to shut down the http interface. Many people concern about 2008.8 repository. Let me explain what we are going to do. *) Provide three repositories 1) unstable 2) testing 3) stable Thanks for clearing up this problem. BTW, Bearstech have graciously donated a server instance for building FSO images, and have accepted my offer to maintain an autobuilder which builds stable, testing and unstable feeds for the FSO distro. The stable feed builds pinned at the latest milestone commit. The testing feed builds from sane-srcrevs. The unstable feed builds from moko-autorev and fso-autorev. -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
