Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 23/09/2008 02:21, Sarton O'Brien wrote:

> The accuracy of the GPS seems to be ok. Tangogps reports the speed of my car
> almost to the kilometer :) ... which I didn't expect.

FYI, the accuracy of GPS velocity should be around 5 cm per second for 
the ublox GPS receiver, that is around 0.2 km per hour... So almost one 
km/h is pretty bad... not necessarily TangoGPS fault. Maybe something is 
badly configured in the GPS ship. Or maybe there is a sensible delay 
between when the velocity is calculated and when it is displayed by 
TangoGPS... Latency handling is very important in real-time navigation 
software.

Abdel.


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Re: FSO toolchain?

[Nicola Mfb]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nicola Mfb wrote:
> > You may use the Makefile at http://shr.bearstech.com/ , this will setup
> > the entire openembedded environment to build toolchain and fso
> > images/applications.
>
> Note that the canonical place for the FSO Makefile is now at
> downloads.freesmartphone.org - shr.bearstech.com is for SHR work only.
>
> (The FSO and SHR Makefiles are currently identical, but may not remain
> so in the future, so please use the correct one).
>

Thanks Rod, I updated the wiki.

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Re: Nokia BL-5C replacement battery

[Sarton O'Brien]

On Tuesday 23 September 2008 15:34:51 Joel Newkirk wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:04:02 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > If you bought a Nokia BL-5C for a spare battery, you might want to check
> > this
> > site:
> > http://batteryreplacement.nokia.com/batteryreplacement/en/
> >
> > cheers
> > jOERG
>
> Wow.  After reading this I went to check the BL-5c from my old Nokia 6600,
> and couldn't find it.  I also have a BL-6c and a new BL-5c clone I ordered
> online a couple months ago.  That last one was on the desktop
> charger, and was almost twice as thick in the middle as it should be...
> extremely pillow-shaped.
>
> Needless to say I relocated it to the middle of the concrete garage floor
> away from anything flammable. (6-ft radius :)
>
> Thanks for the heads up.  Apparently whoever made this clone battery, it
> has the same or a similar flaw to the genuine Nokia ones made by Matsushita
> in 2006.  (always assuming it's not just someone selling off the portion of
> the 46 million made which never reached consumers, which actually seems
> pretty believable)  But the timing is just remarkable.

Hehe, cool. Have you got some protective clothing and a 6.5 foot stick to poke 
it with? :)

Sarton

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Re: df-util && required minimum kernel version

[Sarton O'Brien]

On Tuesday 23 September 2008 14:03:27 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Tuesday, September 23, 2008 a las 11:12:05AM +1000, Sarton O'Brien 
escribió:
> > On Monday 22 September 2008 17:14:45 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure, is it a 32bit binary? My system is:
>
> yes, the above 'albatros' runs a normal SLES:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> cat /etc/SuSE-release
> SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 (i586)
> VERSION = 9

I saw you were running i386, I actually meant the dfu-util binary but from you 
have presented it appears the kernel version is indeed a problem. I hadn't 
realised.

> anyway; I'll put a Knoppix 5.1.1 on an USB key to use this as
> alternative boot in my laptop (which runs FreeBSD, would be nice to port
> later dfu-util to FreeBSD :-))

I agree ... well ... let's just say *BSD :) ... I'm on the NetBSD side of the 
fence.

Virtualbox should run on FreeBSD and I've heard their Xen implementation has 
matured quite a bit, using hvm should allow this to function if your laptop 
supports it. Xen's acpi functionality tends to be lacking though.

Anyway, just a thought :)

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Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Sarton O'Brien]

On Tuesday 23 September 2008 14:19:45 Chia-I Wu wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 09:25:39PM +0200, Alex Oberhauser wrote:
> > What program do you use? If I have tried only with the "location" program
> > I haven't received a fix. With the testprogram openmoko-gps-ui (I'm not
> > sure with the name) and tangogps it works. When there is clear sky and a
> > free sight after 1:30 or 2 minutes. When you start then "location" after
> > you have received a fix with one of the two programs mentionend it finds
> > your location.
>
> The "Searching for your location" message and "Unable to locate a fix"
> alert is merely informative.  After they disappear, Locations (actually,
> diversity-daemon) continues listening to /dev/ttySAC1 silently and
> waiting for a fix.  Could you help verify it?
>
> If it causes confusions, it should be changed.

I agree, the message is confusing and gives the wrong impression. Something 
like 'Your position is not available at this time' would be more appropriate 
or maybe some kind of progress/status indicator to denote that it is 
attempting to retrieve information.

Sarton

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Re: Nokia BL-5C replacement battery

[Joel Newkirk]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:04:02 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> If you bought a Nokia BL-5C for a spare battery, you might want to check
> this
> site:
> http://batteryreplacement.nokia.com/batteryreplacement/en/
>
> cheers
> jOERG

Wow.  After reading this I went to check the BL-5c from my old Nokia 6600,
and couldn't find it.  I also have a BL-6c and a new BL-5c clone I ordered
online a couple months ago.  That last one was on the desktop
charger, and was almost twice as thick in the middle as it should be... 
extremely pillow-shaped.

Needless to say I relocated it to the middle of the concrete garage floor
away from anything flammable. (6-ft radius :)

Thanks for the heads up.  Apparently whoever made this clone battery, it
has the same or a similar flaw to the genuine Nokia ones made by Matsushita
in 2006.  (always assuming it's not just someone selling off the portion of
the 46 million made which never reached consumers, which actually seems
pretty believable)  But the timing is just remarkable.

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Re: Extended battery pack

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Tuesday, September 16, 2008 a las 05:22:14PM -0700, nicklogan escribió:

> Apparently it's been used successfully with a Freerunner and even has
> software written to boost the charge rate and create a desktop icon:
> 
> http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/mintyboost/

Does somebody know how to force the Freerunner to charge with 500mA even
if it can't negotiate this via USB with the 'charger'? I've looked around
in the Wiki but the only pointer I have found is a Python script
batmon.py in
http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/batmon/
but the values used in this script '/sys/devices/platform/' don't
match my current kernel, for example it reads:

SYS_FORCE = 
"/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/force_usb_limit_dangerous"

but this file does not exist :-(

matthias

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Re: minimal battery capacity for next re-boot

[Flyin_bbb8]

> what would be such a
> value? 10% or even less? that the beast comes up again to be charged
> again with the power supply?
>

you can try to charge your phone 100% shutdown, boot with usb cable
removed, and see how much it is,  do couple of more tests, take the
maximum value add 2 or 3% for safety and use that value :) , someone
else have an exact value already?

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Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Chia-I Wu]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 09:25:39PM +0200, Alex Oberhauser wrote:
> What program do you use? If I have tried only with the "location" program I
> haven't received a fix. With the testprogram openmoko-gps-ui (I'm not sure
> with the name) and tangogps it works. When there is clear sky and a free sight
> after 1:30 or 2 minutes. When you start then "location" after you have
> received a fix with one of the two programs mentionend it finds your location.
The "Searching for your location" message and "Unable to locate a fix"
alert is merely informative.  After they disappear, Locations (actually,
diversity-daemon) continues listening to /dev/ttySAC1 silently and
waiting for a fix.  Could you help verify it?

If it causes confusions, it should be changed.

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Re: df-util && required minimum kernel version

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Tuesday, September 23, 2008 a las 11:12:05AM +1000, Sarton O'Brien 
escribió:

> On Monday 22 September 2008 17:14:45 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> uname -a
> > Linux albatros 2.6.5-7.97-smp #1 SMP Fri Jul 2 14:21:59 UTC 2004 i686 i686
> > i386 GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> ./dfu-util -V
> > FATAL: kernel too old
> > Segmentation fault
> >
> > i.e. what is the minimum required kernel version for df-util?
> > thx
> 
> I'm not sure, is it a 32bit binary? My system is:

yes, the above 'albatros' runs a normal SLES:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> cat /etc/SuSE-release 
SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 (i586)
VERSION = 9

on a 32bit CPU;

> # uname -a
> Linux trunks 2.6.26-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Sep 9 09:56:28 UTC 2008 x86_64 
> AMD 
> Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
> 
> And I have no issues. I am a bit bleeding edge though. It seems strange that 
> you are running 2.6 and you get that error.
> 
> # file dfu-util
> dfu-util: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), 
> statically 
> linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not stripped
> # ./dfu-util -V
> dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
> 
> dfu-util version 0.1+svn4160

I've played around on various Linux boxes I have with newer kernels, it
seems to run fine on a 2.6.14 kernel; that the dfu-util executable is
linked for GNU/Linux 2.6.8 does not say much about what they require
internally; see:

$ strings dfu-util | fgrep kernel
could not detach kernel driver from interface %d: %s
/proc/sys/kernel/osrelease
FATAL: kernel too old
FATAL: cannot determine kernel version
/proc/sys/kernel/ngroups_max
/proc/sys/kernel/rtsig-max

i.e. they check /proc/sys/kernel/osrelease and for sure compare it
against some value; interestingly this check is not in the recent
sources I've pulled out from SVN (this was my first place to look,
before asking that question to the list);

anyway; I'll put a Knoppix 5.1.1 on an USB key to use this as
alternative boot in my laptop (which runs FreeBSD, would be nice to port
later dfu-util to FreeBSD :-))

thx for your feedback anyway;

matthias
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools

[Ian]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Christian Weßel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Montag, den 22.09.2008, 09:37 -0400 schrieb Jim Ancona:
>> If you can ssh to it, but you can't connect outbound, that usually means
>> that you don't have the default gateway set properly. If you are using
>> USB, try:
>>
>> route del default gw 192.168.0.200
>> route add default gw 192.168.0.200
>
> I have successfull access with ssh, I set a new pw as recommended. No
> problems, also after reboot.
> I checked the /etc/network/interfaces:
>
>> # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
>> # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
>> auto usb0
>> iface usb0 inet static
>> address 192.168.0.202
>> netmask 255.255.255.0
>> network 192.168.0.0
>> gateway 192.168.0.200
>> up echo nameserver 212.6.108.140>/etc/resolv.conf
>
> I figure that's fine.
>
> An attemt of update results:
>
>> debian-gta02:~# apt-get update
>> 0% [Connecting to pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org] [Connecting to 
>> ftp2.de.debian.org]
>> debian-gta02:~# apt-get update
>> Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release.gpg
>>   Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
>> Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org sid Release.gpg
>>   Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
>> Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org experimental Release.gpg
>>   Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
>> Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable Release.gpg
>>   Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
>> Reading package lists... Done
>> W: Failed to fetch 
>> http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release.gpg  Temporary 
>> failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
>>
>> W: Failed to fetch 
>> http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg  Temporary 
>> failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
>>
>> W: Failed to fetch 
>> http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/Release.gpg  Temporary 
>> failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
>>
>> W: Failed to fetch 
>> http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg  
>> Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
>>
>> W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones 
>> used instead.
>> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
>
> HAHA, yes I want, but I can't.
>
> Does anyone has an idea?
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I'm sure you've already done this, but just in case have you set your
computer to act as a gateway to the FR? It needs packet forwarding
enabled under /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward as well as iptables set up
correctly. Personally I use an iptables frontend called firehol to
simplify this.
My /etc/firehol/firehol.conf looks like (this is on my laptop, not the FR):

#always needed for firehol
version 5

#Don't let anything in from the Internet that I didn't request
interface ppp+ internet src not "$UNROUTABLE_IPS"
  protection strong
  client all accept

# Accept all client traffic on any other interface and allow incoming SSH
interface any world src not "$RESERVED_IPS"
  server ssh accept
  client all accept

#Forward packets from usb network with NAT
router usbnet inface usb0 outface any
  masquerade
  route all accept



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Lost keyboard - Neo Freerunner

[Richard Ross Jr.]

Have managed to erase or lose the keyboard.  Is there a way to reset in
order to restore?
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Nokia BL-5C replacement battery

[Joerg Reisenweber]

If you bought a Nokia BL-5C for a spare battery, you might want to check this 
site:
http://batteryreplacement.nokia.com/batteryreplacement/en/

cheers
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Re: downloads && MD5 sums?

[Flyin_bbb8]

> Concerning the download of new images from
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/
> (for example): are there any MD5 sums to ensure the correctnes of the
> files and the download?

2008.8-update doesn't have it, but if you looked into 2008.9 and
2008.8 you'll see it's there ;)

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Re: accelerometer jitter

[Joel Newkirk]

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:36:00 -0400, "Michael Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Joel Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
>> I wrote a short shell script to repeatedly take the raw output from one
> of
>> the accelerometers
> (/sys/devices/platform/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.1/spi0.1/dump)
>> and massage the data to output X,Y,and Z-axis readings in decimal, -128
> to
>> 128.
 
> As a bit OT but since you have gone to the trouble of developing the
> script,
> could you run a test while driving/riding in the car and post what the
> readings might be? I was thinking of the possibility of having the FR
> determine if it was in a moving car or not.
> 
> Mike

OK, I started in the street near my house. Turned a 270 degree left turn
(around a ~30-ft circle) then 90 degrees right and went down the street to
a stop sign, left turn and on a couple hundred feet to a larger circle,
which I circled 1.25 times at a near-steady 20mph, then went on to the
convenience store.  The entire trip was about 4 minutes, about 1.5 miles. 
Top speed was just over 30 mph (25mph limit throughout - don't send my GPS
log to the cops ;)  The Freerunner was sitting on the floor on the
passenger side of the car, about 10" right of centerline, with the Y axis
(top to bottom of screen in portrait mode) aligned to the direction of
travel.  So Positive-Y indicates vehicle deceleration, Positive-X indicates
left turn, Negative-Z means the car probably bounced upward.

Below is the output at roughly 1-second intervals from the accelerometer
(#1, not #0, so axes aligned to housing) followed by the trip log from
TangoGPS for the same time period.  Top speed was just over 30 mph (25mph
limit throughout - don't send my GPS log to the cops ;)  There is at most a
5-second difference between start and stop points of the two datasets, and
the right-hand turn off the small circle in front of my house should
provide a good sync point (accel data goes negative first time), as will
the ~30 second stop at a traffic light, ~20 seconds before data stops. 

j

atest.sh output:
X:14 - Y:-6 - Z:40
X:1 - Y:6 - Z:53
X:2 - Y:2 - Z:50
X:11 - Y:1 - Z:51
X:9 - Y:4 - Z:48
X:14 - Y:7 - Z:58
X:15 - Y:12 - Z:50
X:21 - Y:5 - Z:53
X:23 - Y:13 - Z:51
X:17 - Y:9 - Z:56
X:-8 - Y:5 - Z:52
X:-6 - Y:5 - Z:46
X:-4 - Y:5 - Z:49
X:3 - Y:1 - Z:54
X:6 - Y:6 - Z:56
X:6 - Y:7 - Z:54
X:6 - Y:6 - Z:58
X:4 - Y:5 - Z:59
X:5 - Y:8 - Z:49
X:6 - Y:6 - Z:53
X:8 - Y:5 - Z:50
X:13 - Y:3 - Z:57
X:15 - Y:10 - Z:52
X:8 - Y:9 - Z:49
X:9 - Y:14 - Z:47
X:4 - Y:17 - Z:53
X:5 - Y:6 - Z:53
X:5 - Y:2 - Z:55
X:9 - Y:-5 - Z:58
X:18 - Y:-6 - Z:53
X:15 - Y:-6 - Z:51
X:5 - Y:-2 - Z:56
X:1 - Y:7 - Z:49
X:6 - Y:5 - Z:52
X:4 - Y:8 - Z:54
X:2 - Y:11 - Z:54
X:-4 - Y:7 - Z:54
X:-1 - Y:7 - Z:51
X:7 - Y:-4 - Z:57
X:22 - Y:-1 - Z:53
X:25 - Y:7 - Z:53
X:18 - Y:4 - Z:47
X:19 - Y:7 - Z:53
X:15 - Y:5 - Z:51
X:19 - Y:9 - Z:48
X:17 - Y:8 - Z:52
X:21 - Y:8 - Z:48
X:27 - Y:9 - Z:53
X:27 - Y:12 - Z:50
X:24 - Y:9 - Z:47
X:20 - Y:8 - Z:52
X:7 - Y:7 - Z:52
X:-9 - Y:6 - Z:54
X:-9 - Y:8 - Z:49
X:3 - Y:2 - Z:54
X:4 - Y:-1 - Z:49
X:0 - Y:2 - Z:55
X:2 - Y:3 - Z:56
X:0 - Y:4 - Z:54
X:3 - Y:2 - Z:53
X:2 - Y:10 - Z:53
X:3 - Y:9 - Z:49
X:2 - Y:6 - Z:60
X:8 - Y:13 - Z:54
X:8 - Y:7 - Z:46
X:12 - Y:4 - Z:49
X:10 - Y:1 - Z:54
X:6 - Y:1 - Z:54
X:4 - Y:2 - Z:51
X:4 - Y:4 - Z:56
X:1 - Y:3 - Z:56
X:4 - Y:5 - Z:58
X:9 - Y:8 - Z:48
X:9 - Y:3 - Z:57
X:6 - Y:5 - Z:48
X:13 - Y:5 - Z:57
X:8 - Y:3 - Z:56
X:6 - Y:3 - Z:56
X:7 - Y:3 - Z:50
X:6 - Y:4 - Z:57
X:6 - Y:3 - Z:51
X:6 - Y:6 - Z:53
X:5 - Y:6 - Z:53
X:4 - Y:5 - Z:50
X:7 - Y:6 - Z:50
X:8 - Y:7 - Z:57
X:7 - Y:6 - Z:51
X:8 - Y:7 - Z:51
X:4 - Y:8 - Z:55
X:3 - Y:7 - Z:47
X:4 - Y:8 - Z:53
X:3 - Y:7 - Z:48
X:1 - Y:8 - Z:51
X:-4 - Y:8 - Z:55
X:-1 - Y:7 - Z:50
X:-1 - Y:4 - Z:54
X:-3 - Y:4 - Z:51
X:2 - Y:4 - Z:53
X:4 - Y:4 - Z:49
X:2 - Y:3 - Z:53
X:8 - Y:10 - Z:52
X:6 - Y:8 - Z:51
X:4 - Y:12 - Z:50
X:7 - Y:10 - Z:54
X:1 - Y:9 - Z:58
X:0 - Y:8 - Z:52
X:2 - Y:10 - Z:55
X:0 - Y:11 - Z:51
X:0 - Y:7 - Z:56
X:-1 - Y:6 - Z:53
X:-2 - Y:2 - Z:53
X:0 - Y:3 - Z:54
X:1 - Y:1 - Z:55
X:1 - Y:4 - Z:56
X:1 - Y:4 - Z:49
X:5 - Y:7 - Z:44
X:9 - Y:7 - Z:52
X:11 - Y:8 - Z:52
X:7 - Y:10 - Z:51
X:3 - Y:10 - Z:57
X:5 - Y:15 - Z:46
X:3 - Y:15 - Z:55
X:5 - Y:-4 - Z:55
X:11 - Y:-3 - Z:53
X:15 - Y:6 - Z:50
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Re: Wlan Issues after inactivity

[Sarton O'Brien]

On Monday 22 September 2008 23:36:41 vale wrote:
> Hello,
>
> i want to ask if there are other users having the same issues?

Yes, wireless is flakey. Generally if I lose signal, then I need to reboot to 
reassociate.

> If i do an ifup eth0, then i start some updates or installs (apt-get
> install or opkg install ...) everything works fine. if some time passes by
> and after some minutes i install another thing or do wget something, then
> the downloads doesn't start. ping to the sites is still working. if i do an
> ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0, i can download again, experiencing after some
> minutes the same issue.

In some cases, you're doing better than some of us. At least you can reconnect 
without a reboot :)

> is there a possible solution to this problem ?

I don't think so, I've tried most of everything with varied success/failures. 
I think we're waiting for it to be fixed.

Apparently some people need to do iwconfig eth0 power off to even get an 
association.

Sarton

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[om.2008-testing] booting from single uSD partition

[Sarton O'Brien]

Hey all,

Just a quick question, I have a uSD card with one ext2 partition where uboot 
sources the kernel via a /boot/uImage.bin symlink. So long as I:

rm /etc/default/flashkernel&&opkg  update&&opkg upgrade

All seems to be fine.

Does anyone know of any problems with this scenario?

I think any problems I'm seeing are more to do with testing but thought I'd 
see if anyone else is aware of something that might creep up on me. Maybe a 
wiki update is in order if there are no foreseeable problems.

Thanks,

Sarton

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Re: df-util && required minimum kernel version

[Sarton O'Brien]

On Monday 22 September 2008 17:14:45 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> uname -a
> Linux albatros 2.6.5-7.97-smp #1 SMP Fri Jul 2 14:21:59 UTC 2004 i686 i686
> i386 GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> ./dfu-util -V
> FATAL: kernel too old
> Segmentation fault
>
> i.e. what is the minimum required kernel version for df-util?
> thx

I'm not sure, is it a 32bit binary? My system is:

# uname -a
Linux trunks 2.6.26-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Sep 9 09:56:28 UTC 2008 x86_64 AMD 
Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

And I have no issues. I am a bit bleeding edge though. It seems strange that 
you are running 2.6 and you get that error.

# file dfu-util
dfu-util: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically 
linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not stripped
# ./dfu-util -V
dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

dfu-util version 0.1+svn4160

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Re: Neopwn

[Rod Whitby]

Didier Raboud wrote:
> Russell Hay wrote:
> 
>> I'm assuming they're not intending to release the full code? Certainly
>> cant see any mentions of license or downloads on their site.
>  
> Formally, they only have to release the source code to their buyers...

... and then that buyer can release it publicly for everyone else under
the terms of the GPL.  Who's going to volunteer to buy one?

[In reality, I'm expecting they will make the source code available at
the same time they start shipping their first units.  A security testing
system without source code available for security review would not fly
with most people ...]

One thing they don't specify is whether the hardware is 850MHz (USA) or
900MHz (rest of world).

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Re: FSO toolchain?

[Rod Whitby]

Nicola Mfb wrote:
> You may use the Makefile at http://shr.bearstech.com/ , this will setup
> the entire openembedded environment to build toolchain and fso
> images/applications.

Note that the canonical place for the FSO Makefile is now at
downloads.freesmartphone.org - shr.bearstech.com is for SHR work only.

(The FSO and SHR Makefiles are currently identical, but may not remain
so in the future, so please use the correct one).

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Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Sarton O'Brien]

On Tuesday 23 September 2008 03:33:59 Matthew Lane wrote:
> I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside.  I'm using the latest
> 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08).  My Locations app shows a
> map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in
> sunny weather!
>
> Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution?

Running om2008-testing booting from single partion uSD (kernel on same 
partition, loading from /boot/uImage.bin symlink), I have no direct problems. 
Performance is a bit meh and it's glitchy.

For locations to work I need to have turned on GPS and let it sit. This can 
take a while. If I use tangogps it picks up quicker and then switching to 
locations it identifies my position. Tangogps seems to require a bit of task 
switching to update the screen, you'll notice this when the map moves but none 
of the buttons function. This seems to be a graphical problem.

The accuracy of the GPS seems to be ok. Tangogps reports the speed of my car 
almost to the kilometer :) ... which I didn't expect.

Good luck!

Sarton

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Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging

[Florian Hackenberger]

On Wednesday 17 September 2008, KaZeR wrote:
> Thanks for your interest, i'm waiting for your lights on the font
> part to commit it.
I profiled navit on my desktop using valgrind and a major part of the 
time required for rendering the map is spent on rendering the fonts for 
the street names, etc to bitmaps. The font part of my patch makes navit 
use the freetype cache subsystem. However, it does not yet work as 
intended. It still seems to render the font outline too often. It is, 
however a step in the right direction. I have posted on the freetype 
mailing list how to configure the cache to reduce the number of outline 
rendering runs, but have not yet received an answer.

Cheers,
Florian


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Re: unable to read from Sandisk 8Gb SD

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:52:26PM +0100, Andy Green wrote:
|> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
|> | On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> | > wrote:
|> |
|> | Can you confirm if you need the idle clock set to 1?  What I
think I
|> | understood about this issue is that it is timeout-related only, it
|> means
|> | I didn't actually understand what is going on if it needs idle
|> | clocks too.
|> |
|> |
|> | i am now sure: i don't need it. I made many other experiments (about
|> | log2(50)) and i found out that the maximum value for the sd_max_clock
|> | which can still read the card is
|>
|> There is a patch that should be in tomorrow's kernels that addresses
|> this, at least it gets my Sandisk 8GB SDHC recognized, please let me
|> know if it helped or not.
|>
|>
http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e7ba57b104e9293f746342b7450b10d5fa0c4cd
|
| With the kernel patch it works for me (Sandisk microSDHC 8 GB). I have
started
| the device twice and always the card was recognized and mounted. Tomorrow
| (actually today) I will test it more and try to run Debian from the
card (this
| not has worked)

That's great.  FWIW I dd'd 40MB of /dev/urandom on to the SD card,
md5sum'd it and confirmed it was the same after a reboot, so I expect
once it is recognized it acts OK.

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Re: unable to read from Sandisk 8Gb SD

[Alex Oberhauser]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:52:26PM +0100, Andy Green wrote:
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | > wrote:
> |
> | Can you confirm if you need the idle clock set to 1?  What I think I
> | understood about this issue is that it is timeout-related only, it
> means
> | I didn't actually understand what is going on if it needs idle
> | clocks too.
> |
> |
> | i am now sure: i don't need it. I made many other experiments (about
> | log2(50)) and i found out that the maximum value for the sd_max_clock
> | which can still read the card is
> 
> There is a patch that should be in tomorrow's kernels that addresses
> this, at least it gets my Sandisk 8GB SDHC recognized, please let me
> know if it helped or not.
> 
> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e7ba57b104e9293f746342b7450b10d5fa0c4cd

With the kernel patch it works for me (Sandisk microSDHC 8 GB). I have started
the device twice and always the card was recognized and mounted. Tomorrow
(actually today) I will test it more and try to run Debian from the card (this
not has worked)

Alex


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Re: Video on Freerunner?

[sledgeas]

Mikko Rauhala rašė:
> Quoting Tim Dobson<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> you tube video are possible on the free runner. though not instantly...
>>  
>
> See my earlier mail on Youtube offering mp4 versions of their videos.
> I still don't know if anyone's verified how balrog-kun's referenced
> glamo-accelerated mplayer plays them (or if the glamo output has received
> further finetuning).
I am trying to play a 20 min short movie.

Transcoding it from 640x352 WMA 170MB video according to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player#Playback_using_480x640_.2F_640x480
Resulting one I tried many sizes, ranging 50-150 in MegaBytes.
But running with mplayer output.avi -sws 0 -nodouble -vo sdl -fs 
-framedrop  [ -autosync 30 -vf scale -zoom -xy 640 -vf rotate=1 ]
mplayer crashes

Running with glamo mplayer 
(http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/mplayer-glamo.tar.bz2) 
with `-vo glamo' it writes out
Badly interleaved AVI file detected - switching to -ni mode...
And then I can see the video only after seeking, but it is incredibly 
slow. Strange, why is it badly interleaved, I have transcoded it with wiki's

mencoder  -o  -ofps 13 -vf scale -zoom -xy 640 -af 
channels=1:0:0:1:0 -oac lavc -ovc lavc -lavcopts 
acodec=libmp3lame:vcodec=h263p:autoaspect=1:vbitrate=300:abitrate=32

The best performance (~4 fps) I have achieved was with transcoding into 
the ~210x100 final video and running opkg installed non-glamo mplayer.
Tried -vo fbdev (-vo sdl does not work), too. Also mplayer crashes were 
also occasional.
I am launching a movie from an SD card. Maybe it may slow some things 
down, too.
Has anyone gone any better than this, please share.

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Re: Case mod feasible?

[Kelvie Wong]

On Monday, September 22, 2008 15:39:24 Andy Selby wrote:
> AAA batteries are 1.5 volts, so 4x1.5=6volts, if you find a diode that
> has a voltage drop of 1 volt you won't need any voltage regulation
> circuitry.
>

Actually, most AAA (and AA) rechargeable batteries are about 1.2 volts when 
full.

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Re: Case mod feasible?

[Andy Selby]

> Basically what I want is to add 4 rechargable AAA batteries and plug that
> into usb port.
> That gives me about 1200ma at 4.8v, which should comply with the USB
> specification (5v),

AAA batteries are 1.5 volts, so 4x1.5=6volts, if you find a diode that
has a voltage drop of 1 volt you won't need any voltage regulation
circuitry.

> This should avoid the requirement for sophisticated electronics,

Voltage regulators aren't sophisticated, its just a VR chip and one,
maybe two resistors for calibration.

>Anybody thinks that this is not feasible or not worth doing for some reason?

See my post here on batteries
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/029965.html
I got a battery and charger for under £8

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Case mod feasible?

[Breakable]

Hi,
I am just thinking to do a casemod for Freerunner.
Basically what I want is to add 4 rechargable AAA batteries and plug that
into usb port.
That gives me about 1200ma at 4.8v, which should comply with the USB
specification (5v),
would it not?
This should avoid the requirement for sophisticated electronics,
and extend the battery life to max 4x + 1 (the original battery).
While not overloading the form factor too much.
It could address the biggest issue in freerunner now - battery life.
Anybody thinks that this is not feasible or not worth doing for some reason?

PS:Waiting for the software to mature does not seem like a solution to me,
I would wait for the technological utopia to materialize instead ;)

Regards,
Breakable
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Re: unable to read from Sandisk 8Gb SD

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > wrote:
|
| Can you confirm if you need the idle clock set to 1?  What I think I
| understood about this issue is that it is timeout-related only, it
means
| I didn't actually understand what is going on if it needs idle
| clocks too.
|
|
| i am now sure: i don't need it. I made many other experiments (about
| log2(50)) and i found out that the maximum value for the sd_max_clock
| which can still read the card is

There is a patch that should be in tomorrow's kernels that addresses
this, at least it gets my Sandisk 8GB SDHC recognized, please let me
know if it helped or not.

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e7ba57b104e9293f746342b7450b10d5fa0c4cd

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Re: Project categories need cleaning

[Michael Shiloh]

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Was just checking
> http://projects.openmoko.org/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=308
> 
> From what I learn from the description, I think that Aphasia and maybe
> Cerebro ( I might be wrong!) maybe should not be there.
> 
> I'm also not sure about http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/ttosss/
> - I'd like some more information there telling what it actually is..
> My first thought was it's spam..

Yes, you're right - projects needs some serious cleaning up. I'll take a 
look at this and figure out where it fits in to our general clean up scheme.

Michael

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Re: new version of the openmoko-panel-plugin 0.3

[Christian Adams]

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the next version is already on it's way to sebastian to package
a little gui-update here and there, some notifications (if python- 
pynotify and notification-mananger(-xfce) installed) and a thumb- 
friendly way to change lcd-brightness
what i will add next would be a configfile where you can toggle which  
hw-icons you like to get displayed and which not

other suggestions what you (the users) want could be placed on this  
list .. :)

ciao, morlac - meanwhile co-developer of openmoko-panel-plugin

p.s. the usb-chooser will get it's functionality when 'rmmod  
g_file_storage' gets functional

Am 21.09.2008 um 11:45 schrieb Fox Mulder:

> I think he doesn't say more about the openmoko-panel-plugin because  
> the
> older versions are floating around this mailing list for quite some  
> time. :)
>
> It is a small xfce plugin to show and change the status of wlan, gps,
> bluetooth, battery, gsm, usb and keyboard.
> It is like the indicator bar of OM2008.8 at the top. It is really a
> timesaver and now also shows the gsm state like strength and carrier
> which zhone doesn't anymore.
>
> Ciao,
>  Rainer
>
> Olivier Berger wrote:
>> Sebastian Ohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> here is a new version of the panel plugin.
>>>
>>
>> Care to be more explicit on what this can be ? ... either you're
>> addressing the community at large and most probably want to provide a
>> more detailed description of what the program is... or it's not on  
>> the
>> right list, then ;)
>>
>> Regards.
>>
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Project categories need cleaning

[Risto H. Kurppa]

Hi!

Was just checking
http://projects.openmoko.org/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=308

>From what I learn from the description, I think that Aphasia and maybe
Cerebro ( I might be wrong!) maybe should not be there.

I'm also not sure about http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/ttosss/
- I'd like some more information there telling what it actually is..
My first thought was it's spam..



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Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Stephen Pape]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Stephen Pape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Michael Frandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
>>  On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Lane wrote:
>>
>> I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside.  I'm using the latest
>> 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08).  My Locations app shows a
>> map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in
>> sunny weather!
>>
>> Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution?
>>
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>>  I have some experience with 2008.8/9. Since I upgrades to 2008.9 I had
>> more difficulties but since I found out that settings doesnt show current
>> status of gps-power example if wake up from standby (its always off no
>> matter what shown).
>> I get a fix after approx. 2min when enter outside best not to close to
>> house wall. I also have external antenna which is more reliable and can see
>> and track more sattelites.
>> Once I thought that gpsd was not runnning when I had problems but since I
>> keep focus on it it always run (I expect the problem was power that was
>> off).
>>
>> The most frequent problem I have now is that tangogps crash with segment
>> fault after run for a while. Didn't have time to investigate that.
>>
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> I'm glad it's not just me. I'm beginning to think my phone is defective, I
> cannot get a fix. In the agps-ui, I'm not even seeing a signal from any of
> the satellites. Running 2008.9 with the latest kernel. I've even tried using
> the agps program with assist online. That makes agps-ui show a list of
> satellites, and have the current GPS time, but no signal. I was thinking of
> trying the antenna repair SOP.
>
> Ironicly, one of the biggest reasons I wanted the Freerunner, besides
> openness,  was to create a GRPS/GPS app.
>


By the way, every time i try to use agps-ui, after a minute and a half or
so, the phone completely freezes up. Holding the button down doesn't even
turn it off, I have to remove the battery.
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Re: New rotate for OpenMoko

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:13:30PM +0200, Petr Vanek wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:10:28 +0100
> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (RMSS) wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 04:26:27PM +0800, Magnus Boman wrote:
> >> > http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.1.0.tar.gz
> >> > http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.1.0.tar.gz.asc
> >> 
> >> How much CPU does this utility use?
> >> I see that there are no delays in your while loop, hence my question.
> >
> >Little, but 0.2.1 will have usleep (1sec feels too long and increases
> >likelyhood of missing packets), as well as an ALRM timer for the
> >"reading from accelerometers hangs after X time" problem.
> >
> >I'm right now testing it, but I gotta work and can't release again
> >until much later on, today.
> >
> >Meanwhile, 0.2.0 is out.
> >  http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.2.0.tar.gz
> >  http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.2.0.tar.gz.asc
> >
> >Rui
> >
> >-- 
> >Or is it?
> >Today is Setting Orange, the 46th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174
> >+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown
> >+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,
> >| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi
> >+ So let's do it...?
> 
> 
> Rui, very nice,
> 
> 0.2.0 is much better then the initial 0.1.0 release yesterday :) again,
> the calibration is out for the "upside down" state. Except of rare
> hickups when is seems to start oscillating kind of, this is already
> quite usable :) and not burning so much CPU as the previous incarnation
> did.

And 0.2.1 adds even more CPU niceness and stability... :)

 http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.2.1.tar.gz
 http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.2.1.tar.gz.asc

If people want to send me patches against these version, they'll have
about two days to send them to me, I'm most likely not going to release
because of birthday dinners on Tuesday and Wednesday, after long days on
ITIL Foundation V3 lessons ... 

Rui

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Today is Setting Orange, the 46th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174
+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown
+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,
| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi
+ So let's do it...?

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Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Stephen Pape]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Michael Frandsen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>  On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Lane wrote:
>
> I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside.  I'm using the latest
> 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08).  My Locations app shows a
> map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in
> sunny weather!
>
> Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution?
>
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>  I have some experience with 2008.8/9. Since I upgrades to 2008.9 I had
> more difficulties but since I found out that settings doesnt show current
> status of gps-power example if wake up from standby (its always off no
> matter what shown).
> I get a fix after approx. 2min when enter outside best not to close to
> house wall. I also have external antenna which is more reliable and can see
> and track more sattelites.
> Once I thought that gpsd was not runnning when I had problems but since I
> keep focus on it it always run (I expect the problem was power that was
> off).
>
> The most frequent problem I have now is that tangogps crash with segment
> fault after run for a while. Didn't have time to investigate that.
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I'm glad it's not just me. I'm beginning to think my phone is defective, I
cannot get a fix. In the agps-ui, I'm not even seeing a signal from any of
the satellites. Running 2008.9 with the latest kernel. I've even tried using
the agps program with assist online. That makes agps-ui show a list of
satellites, and have the current GPS time, but no signal. I was thinking of
trying the antenna repair SOP.

Ironicly, one of the biggest reasons I wanted the Freerunner, besides
openness,  was to create a GRPS/GPS app.
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Re: New rotate for OpenMoko

[Petr Vanek]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:10:28 +0100
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (RMSS) wrote:

>On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 04:26:27PM +0800, Magnus Boman wrote:
>> > http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.1.0.tar.gz
>> > http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.1.0.tar.gz.asc
>> 
>> How much CPU does this utility use?
>> I see that there are no delays in your while loop, hence my question.
>
>Little, but 0.2.1 will have usleep (1sec feels too long and increases
>likelyhood of missing packets), as well as an ALRM timer for the
>"reading from accelerometers hangs after X time" problem.
>
>I'm right now testing it, but I gotta work and can't release again
>until much later on, today.
>
>Meanwhile, 0.2.0 is out.
>  http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.2.0.tar.gz
>  http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.2.0.tar.gz.asc
>
>Rui
>
>-- 
>Or is it?
>Today is Setting Orange, the 46th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174
>+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown
>+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,
>| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi
>+ So let's do it...?


Rui, very nice,

0.2.0 is much better then the initial 0.1.0 release yesterday :) again,
the calibration is out for the "upside down" state. Except of rare
hickups when is seems to start oscillating kind of, this is already
quite usable :) and not burning so much CPU as the previous incarnation
did.


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Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Michael Frandsen]

On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Lane wrote:

> I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside.  I'm using the latest 
> 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08).  My Locations app shows a 
> map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in 
> sunny weather!
> 
> Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution?
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I have some experience with 2008.8/9. Since I upgrades to 2008.9 I had
more difficulties but since I found out that settings doesnt show
current status of gps-power example if wake up from standby (its always
off no matter what shown).
I get a fix after approx. 2min when enter outside best not to close to
house wall. I also have external antenna which is more reliable and can
see and track more sattelites.
Once I thought that gpsd was not runnning when I had problems but since
I keep focus on it it always run (I expect the problem was power that
was off).

The most frequent problem I have now is that tangogps crash with segment
fault after run for a while. Didn't have time to investigate that.
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Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Petr Vanek]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:35:42 -0400
Matthew Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (ML)
wrote:

>I have gotten a fix in the past with 2007.2 and no uSD card inserted.
>This was possible with both tangogps and openmoko-gps-ui.
>
>I do have the latest 2008.9 kernel and rootfs.  I have tried both with
>and without a uSD and have been unable to obtain a fix.  I'll try
>getting a fix with the openmoko-gps-ui sometime this week, but
>Locations is unable to do so.
>
>Matthew Lane
>
>Xavier Bestel wrote:
>> Le lundi 22 septembre 2008 à 13:33 -0400, Matthew Lane a écrit :
>>   >> I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside.  I'm using the
>>   >> latest >> 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08).  My
>>   >> Locations app shows a
> >> map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix
> >> in >> sunny weather!
>>>
>>> Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution?
>>> >
>> Never got a fix myself.
>>
>>  Xav
>>

Sometimes i think whether all the hardware revisions of FR are really
the same if people are having such a opposite experiences with GPS,
GSM (i know about the GPS cap issue). For most of the time i get a
fix quite quickly these days (2008.9), but had no problems even before
with 2008.8. There is the odd day, when i need to apply one or two
reboots for some strange reason. Today, no problem getting fix 2 times
(morning, evening) in about 2 minutes while driving about 90km/h. SD
in, 2008.9 running from it.

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Re: Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Matthew Lane]

I have gotten a fix in the past with 2007.2 and no uSD card inserted.  
This was possible with both tangogps and openmoko-gps-ui.


I do have the latest 2008.9 kernel and rootfs.  I have tried both with 
and without a uSD and have been unable to obtain a fix.  I'll try 
getting a fix with the openmoko-gps-ui sometime this week, but Locations 
is unable to do so.


Matthew Lane

Xavier Bestel wrote:

Le lundi 22 septembre 2008 à 13:33 -0400, Matthew Lane a écrit :
  
I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside.  I'm using the latest 
2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08).  My Locations app shows a 
map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in 
sunny weather!


Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution?



Never got a fix myself.

Xav




  
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Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Alex Oberhauser]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:54:32PM +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> Le lundi 22 septembre 2008 à 13:33 -0400, Matthew Lane a écrit :
> > I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside.  I'm using the latest 
> > 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08).  My Locations app shows a 
> > map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in 
> > sunny weather!
> > 
> > Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution?
> 
> Never got a fix myself.
> 
>   Xav

What program do you use? If I have tried only with the "location" program I
haven't received a fix. With the testprogram openmoko-gps-ui (I'm not sure
with the name) and tangogps it works. When there is clear sky and a free sight
after 1:30 or 2 minutes. When you start then "location" after you have
received a fix with one of the two programs mentionend it finds your location.

Alex

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Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Xavier Bestel]

Le lundi 22 septembre 2008 à 13:33 -0400, Matthew Lane a écrit :
> I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside.  I'm using the latest 
> 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08).  My Locations app shows a 
> map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in 
> sunny weather!
> 
> Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution?

Never got a fix myself.

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Re: FSO toolchain?

[Nicola Mfb]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 7:54 PM, rhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello
> This question may be terribly out of place, but I haven't found a definite
> answer on the Openmoko or freesmartphone wiki.
>
> I'd like to be able to develop on my main box some programs to use with FSO
> on the phone (and package them), but I have found only the Openmoko
> toolchain via the wiki. It seems to be 2007.4 based.
> There was nothing relevant on freesmartphone.org, so I think there is a
> way to use the aforementioned toolchain to make software compliant to FSO.
> Currently, my guess is that I need to set up the repositories list in the
> toolchain to point the FSO repos.
> Would this suffice?
>

You may use the Makefile at http://shr.bearstech.com/ , this will setup the
entire openembedded environment to build toolchain and fso
images/applications. This is the best solution if your application has
dependencies on the fso tree. You should write a bitbake recipie for your
application, or use some other tricks to use the toolchain.

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Re: 2008.9 GPS

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Matthew Lane wrote:
> I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside.  I'm using the latest 
> 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08).  My Locations app shows a 
> map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in 
> sunny weather!
> 
> Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution?

I have yet to actually get a fix with my FreeRunner.  It's quite
disappointing.  I have clear skies and no SD card in.  I ordered an
antenna to see if that will fix it.  I'm not confident that it will.

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FSO toolchain?

[rhn]

Hello
This question may be terribly out of place, but I haven't found a definite 
answer on the Openmoko or freesmartphone wiki.

I'd like to be able to develop on my main box some programs to use with FSO on 
the phone (and package them), but I have found only the Openmoko toolchain via 
the wiki. It seems to be 2007.4 based.
There was nothing relevant on freesmartphone.org, so I think there is a way to 
use the aforementioned toolchain to make software compliant to FSO.
Currently, my guess is that I need to set up the repositories list in the 
toolchain to point the FSO repos.
Would this suffice?

Regards
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools

[Christian Weßel]

Am Montag, den 22.09.2008, 09:37 -0400 schrieb Jim Ancona:
> If you can ssh to it, but you can't connect outbound, that usually means 
> that you don't have the default gateway set properly. If you are using 
> USB, try:
> 
> route del default gw 192.168.0.200
> route add default gw 192.168.0.200

I have successfull access with ssh, I set a new pw as recommended. No
problems, also after reboot.
I checked the /etc/network/interfaces:

> # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
> # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
> auto usb0
> iface usb0 inet static
> address 192.168.0.202
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> network 192.168.0.0
> gateway 192.168.0.200
> up echo nameserver 212.6.108.140>/etc/resolv.conf

I figure that's fine.

An attemt of update results:

> debian-gta02:~# apt-get update
> 0% [Connecting to pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org] [Connecting to 
> ftp2.de.debian.org]
> debian-gta02:~# apt-get update
> Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release.gpg
>  
>   Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
> Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org sid Release.gpg  
>  
>   Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
> Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org experimental Release.gpg
>  
>   Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
> Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable Release.gpg 
>  
>   Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
> Reading package lists... Done   
> W: Failed to fetch 
> http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release.gpg  Temporary 
> failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
> 
> W: Failed to fetch 
> http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg  Temporary 
> failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
> 
> W: Failed to fetch 
> http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/Release.gpg  Temporary 
> failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org'
> 
> W: Failed to fetch 
> http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg  Temporary 
> failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'
> 
> W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones 
> used instead.
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

HAHA, yes I want, but I can't.

Does anyone has an idea?
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Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Michael Shiloh]

Matthew Lane wrote:
> I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside.  I'm using the latest 
> 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08).  My Locations app shows a 
> map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in 
> sunny weather!
> 
> Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution?

I've had quite the opposite experience: GPS works more reliably than 
ever with 2008.9.

I presume you've had GPS fixes with the same device in the past?

I presume you updated the kernel as well as the root FS?

Did you try with/without an SD card inserted? Now that I think of it, I 
didn't have an SD card installed.

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2008.9 GPS

[Matthew Lane]

I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside.  I'm using the latest 
2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08).  My Locations app shows a 
map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in 
sunny weather!

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Re: Freerunner a month after

[Iain B. Findleton]

Really depends on what your motivations and goals are, I suspect.
Personally, I develop the applications that I want on the phone using
TclFltk, a scripting based language that uses the FLTK tool kit. Since
this cross platform environment works on Windows, Linux, etc. It does
not get bogged down on all this platform dependant stuff.

I suspect that there must be other things that are pretty isolated from
the stack, like python-gtk or java that you can use.

On the other hand, if you are into the internals of the phone, your
project will probably have a lot of trouble because of the lack of
documentation and access. My projects are strictly user space
applications, and so far, things are relatively speaking just fine.

Nicola Mfb wrote:
> Hi,
> After experimenting with freerunner and trying to develop applications
> for it I have some doubts.
> I searched on the mailing-list, forums, wiki and so on, but I was not
> able to retrieve some basic information that I need to continue this
> exciting experience.
> If someone answers on this I think a lot of people will appreciate,
> and I'll be happy to update the wiki.
>
> First of all, I'd like to have some clarifications about software
> stack future.
> Actually, we have tree "main" distros: 2008.x, fso and qtopia.
> Qtopia is very stable, but peoples seems to not prefer it as not
> community based (I was not able to find qtopia 4.3.3 snapshot sources,
> but this is another problem).
> 2008.x is based on an older qtopia fork patched for x11, using it's
> phone server, dialer and settings.
> In the om-oe-tree it seems there is no staging for qt/qtopia library,
> nor documentation that explains how to develop qtopia/qt applications
> for 2008.x (I hope I'm in error), so you cannot interact easly with
> qtopia stack.
> You may use excellent qtopia offical SDK but your applications will
> not run becouse they need a qpe server. You may bitbake qt4-free-x11,
> and build applications against it, but i do not know if they are
> compatible with libraries that provided by qtopia on x11 itself and if
> that oe recipie is om-supported or is it there only from the oe fork.
> So it seems developing over qtopia/2008.x is not encouraged (at least
> for external developers).
> The last is FSO, it has documentation and is a very nice middleware
> and is bleeding-edge. I may be in error again (if i am please ignore
> the next assumptions!) but it seems as FSO is developed out of Fic or
> OpenMoko inc., directly on openembedded (some rumors about developers
> that left openmoko and join fso).
> The second doubt came as that om-oe-tree is a fork of oe-tree and is
> on a different git server, why this? to  leave to openmoko official
> developers the full control over it?
> If some bitbake recipies need a fix, should the openmoko developers
> fix it or the oe guy?
> After that there are debian and other coming soon distros, as gentoo.
> All these dependes above all on openmoko linux kernel, are the
> openmoko developers the only writing/mantaining it? are oe guys
> involved too?
> On the wiki i read that next openmoko release will be based on fso, so
> will openmoko guy patch qtopia x11 to use dbus and avoid it's
> intertnal phone server? if not why are they supporting the project?
>
> I know this is a mix between "political" and technical questions, but
> please clarify!
>
> Regards
>
> Nicola
> 
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Invitation to Qt Developer Days in Munich or Redwood City

[Knut Yrvin]

Hi, 

We are proud to invite free software developers to Qt Dev.Days in Munich  
and Redwood City. Qt Software sponsor free passes for contributors to free 
software

The program this year is exiting. Thierry Bastian is presenting animation 
API. Ariya Hidayat are presenting beautiful and blazing fast graphics with 
Qt and QtWebKit: Present and Future. Please visit session abstracts[1] on 
the  talks: 

1. http://trolltech.com/qtdevdays2008/abstracts

Location and dates[2]: 
* Qt Dev.Days is in Munich, Berlin Tuesday Oct 14th - Wednesday Oct 15th. 
* Qt Dev.Days is in Redwood City, California is from Wednesday Oct 29th - 
Thursday Oct 30th. 

2. http://trolltech.com/qtdevdays2008

To get a free pass, please send me an e-mail with a line on who you are 
and a link to which free software project you are participating. Then I'll 
send you a free pass number for online registration. 

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Starting enlightenment development in python under ubuntu

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Dear list,

I have written a message yesterday, but didnt get through (cant see in
the web archive).
I have written a suggestion back in june (about shipped usb cable),
but never received either.

So I unsubscribed and re-subscribed to the mailing list. This time I omitted
the '+' character (automatic gmail 'tagging' feature) from my email address.

I hope I have a bigger chance this time.

Here is my yesterday's email:

Hi!

As I see right now, If I want some real eyecandy on my future freerunner,
I better to start programming in enlightenment.

I earned a bit experience in pygtk programming, as I wrote a rather big
program for ease serial debugging. I use it under linux/windows. But
since the program what I want to write on the freerunner does not need
to be cross-platform, Im looking something tightly integrated and real
eyecandy.

I use ubuntu 8.04 at home and windows xp at work. For pygtk my main
development machine is the windows xp one.

I looked at this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python

And it says for a simple hello world 'e' application I need
python-etk, python-efl.

Can somebody help me which ubuntu package is it?

(As enlightenment is not widely used, google didnt turn up any useful
result).

If somebody knows any other resource/documentation please write it!

Thank you in advance,

Laszlo

ps:
As I see the current situation, enlightenment applications will be the
'core' applications. So the dialer, top menubar and everything will
be implemented in enlightenment.
The most useful application are written in gtk (tangogps, etc).
And qtopia provides the most complete telephony softwares. So it is like
a behemot.;-\

Am I see correctly? The enlightenment direction are still valid after Raster
quit Openmoko? Or the development stopped? In other words: Are anybody at
openmoko programming in etk/efl ?

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Freerunner a month after

[Nicola Mfb]

Hi,
After experimenting with freerunner and trying to develop applications for
it I have some doubts.
I searched on the mailing-list, forums, wiki and so on, but I was not able
to retrieve some basic information that I need to continue this exciting
experience.
If someone answers on this I think a lot of people will appreciate, and I'll
be happy to update the wiki.

First of all, I'd like to have some clarifications about software stack
future.
Actually, we have tree "main" distros: 2008.x, fso and qtopia.
Qtopia is very stable, but peoples seems to not prefer it as not community
based (I was not able to find qtopia 4.3.3 snapshot sources, but this is
another problem).
2008.x is based on an older qtopia fork patched for x11, using it's phone
server, dialer and settings.
In the om-oe-tree it seems there is no staging for qt/qtopia library, nor
documentation that explains how to develop qtopia/qt applications for 2008.x
(I hope I'm in error), so you cannot interact easly with qtopia stack.
You may use excellent qtopia offical SDK but your applications will not run
becouse they need a qpe server. You may bitbake qt4-free-x11, and build
applications against it, but i do not know if they are compatible with
libraries that provided by qtopia on x11 itself and if that oe recipie is
om-supported or is it there only from the oe fork. So it seems developing
over qtopia/2008.x is not encouraged (at least for external developers).
The last is FSO, it has documentation and is a very nice middleware and is
bleeding-edge. I may be in error again (if i am please ignore the next
assumptions!) but it seems as FSO is developed out of Fic or OpenMoko inc.,
directly on openembedded (some rumors about developers that left openmoko
and join fso).
The second doubt came as that om-oe-tree is a fork of oe-tree and is on a
different git server, why this? to  leave to openmoko official developers
the full control over it?
If some bitbake recipies need a fix, should the openmoko developers fix it
or the oe guy?
After that there are debian and other coming soon distros, as gentoo.
All these dependes above all on openmoko linux kernel, are the openmoko
developers the only writing/mantaining it? are oe guys involved too?
On the wiki i read that next openmoko release will be based on fso, so will
openmoko guy patch qtopia x11 to use dbus and avoid it's intertnal phone
server? if not why are they supporting the project?

I know this is a mix between "political" and technical questions, but please
clarify!

Regards

Nicola
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Re: Bad Magic Number while booting from SD card with new uImage!

[Simon Matthews]

> My Sandisk 8GB breaks also. Some times the partiton and format works and
> sometimes the card would not be recognized. Always after reboot the whole
> partion table is away.
> 
I also have an 8GByte Sandisk SDHC card and was having exactly the same
problems until turning the SD clock on when the Freerunner is suspended.

This has been incorporated in the kernels newer than the 4th of
September. Since using kernels newer than this i have not had any
problems with data corruption on my SD card.

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Re: Bad Magic Number while booting from SD card with new uImage!

[Alex Oberhauser]

> It'll be nice to be able to debug it because in our city we have only
> similar cards and otherwise we have to import specially from other
> places.
> 
> So where do we start? Tomorrow, I will repartition my SD card to check
> once more if it works and in the meanwhile wait for your instructions.

I have repartition the card more than once and always the same problem. At the
moment I try the debug board to become more information about the kernel panic
at the beginning of the boot sequence. Maybe then I have more a clue where to
look.

I will report if I have more informations.

Happy bug finding and fixing.

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Re: Neopwn

[Didier Raboud]

Russell Hay wrote:

> I'm assuming they're not intending to release the full code? Certainly
> cant see any mentions of license or downloads on their site.
 
Formally, they only have to release the source code to their buyers...

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Re: Neopwn

[Russell Hay]

I'm assuming they're not intending to release the full code? Certainly cant
see any mentions of license or downloads on their site.

2008/9/22 Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2008/9/22 Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I'm sure others have seen the Slashdot article, but in case you haven't:
> >did. the most interesting thing for me, was the addition of a USB
> OTG device, hosted on the freerunner's usb port. a nice, if slightly
> bulky, way of providing automatic host-mode switching
> > http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/09/21/1730256.shtml
> >
> > I'm just looking forward to being able to download the code to run on
> > one of my phones :)
>
> i did. the most interesting thing for me, was the addition of a USB
> OTG device, hosted on the freerunner's usb port. a nice, if slightly
> bulky, way of providing automatic host-mode switching
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minimal battery capacity for next re-boot

[Matthias Apitz]

Hello,

One can monitor the actual battery capacity in the FreeRunner with:

# cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/capacity
72

I'm thinking in writing a small shell script to shutdown the Gadget when
the battery capacity falls down under certain value X to have enough
power for one next reboot to re-charge via USB; what would be such a
value? 10% or even less? that the beast comes up again to be charged
again with the power supply?

thx

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools

[Jim Ancona]

Christian Weßel wrote:
> But how can I install the network tools, if I don't get contact to a
> repository?
> 
> I checked the resolv.conf
> 
>> debian-gta02:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf 
>> nameserver 212.6.108.140
> 
> It is the same as before. And it is a valid DNS server.

Can ssh to your FR, meaning that you have network connectivity? Are you 
using USB and/or wifi networking?

If you can ssh to it, but you can't connect outbound, that usually means 
that you don't have the default gateway set properly. If you are using 
USB, try:

route del default gw 192.168.0.200
route add default gw 192.168.0.200

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Wlan Issues after inactivity

[vale]

Hello,

i want to ask if there are other users having the same issues?

If i do an ifup eth0, then i start some updates or installs (apt-get install
or opkg install ...) everything works fine. if some time passes by and after
some minutes i install another thing or do wget something, then the
downloads doesn't start. ping to the sites is still working. if i do an
ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0, i can download again, experiencing after some
minutes the same issue.

is there a possible solution to this problem ?

thanks

vale


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Re: Calendar program and sync it with my mac?

[andi]

>
> It doesn't fulfill all your requirements but try openmoko-dates. I'm
> actually pretty impressed with the calendar part although it sometimes
> plays tricks on me. No todos however and it doesn't seem to support
> exceptions to recurring events and doesn't let them to be individually
> changed while keeping the rest of recurs intact. It has a solid
> interface however and it's quite usable at this stage. It also uses ics
> files for the events so these could be quite easily imported to your
> mac. Oh, I haven't find a way to set notifications eighter. Well, long
> story short, just try it.
>
>   
I have copied the calendar.ics file with a test event to my pc, which 
then showed the event. but then I added
a new event on the pc and copied the file back, and the openmoko-dates 
did not show the new event... This is
annoying, because for syncing you need both ways ;-)
I already tried different calender programs (sunbird and dates) .

any ideas??

thx!
andi

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Re: [ASU, 2008.8/.9] remove bottom section

[François TOURDE]

Le 14144ième jour après Epoch,
Marco Trevisan écrivait:

> Vikas Saurabh wrote:
>>> I have removed the assassin installer so it doesn't show up any more
>>> (I do everything command line while ssh'd in) and I want to get rid
>>> of the bottom thing with the little pluses.  Is this a possibility? 
>>> 
>>> Anyone know how to do this?
>>  I am not exactly sure how to do that. But the tango theme doesn't have
>> it, so it should surely be possible to have some modification in .edj
>> file for illume.
>
> Yes... It should be quite easy. Just decompile the edj file, comment the
> proper section (compare to the tango freerunner.edc file) and recompile
> it back.

Not so simple, but it seems to be the right place... check for "*" or
"+", they are in the .edc

In place, I've added the value "Bar;" in the Categories of
"qtopia-clock.desktop" and "qtopia-ringtones.desktop" to get these two
appli accessible from the bottom bar.

HTH.

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Re: Neopwn

[Robin Paulson]

2008/9/22 Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm sure others have seen the Slashdot article, but in case you haven't:
>
> http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/09/21/1730256.shtml
>
> I'm just looking forward to being able to download the code to run on
> one of my phones :)

i did. the most interesting thing for me, was the addition of a USB
OTG device, hosted on the freerunner's usb port. a nice, if slightly
bulky, way of providing automatic host-mode switching

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Re: Bad Magic Number while booting from SD card with new uImage!

[Shaz]

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Alex Oberhauser
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> No some larger cards break us right now, can you let me know your exact
>> card type and I will do a little shopping spree today to reproduce this.
>> ~ I think someone else mentioned Sandisk 8GB is going to make the same
>> trouble.
>
> My Sandisk 8GB breaks also. Some times the partiton and format works and
> sometimes the card would not be recognized. Always after reboot the whole
> partion table is away.
>
> Please tell me if you need more information to make it easier to debug.

It'll be nice to be able to debug it because in our city we have only
similar cards and otherwise we have to import specially from other
places.

So where do we start? Tomorrow, I will repartition my SD card to check
once more if it works and in the meanwhile wait for your instructions.

>
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Re: [ASU] Is git available for freerunner

[Alex (Maxious) Sadleir]

If you add the angstrom respository, you can have both. See
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Users_Repositories#Angstrom_Repository
for details

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Geoff Ruscoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Need I say more?
>
> Oh what about svn?
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Re: SD corruption(no suspend and sd_max_clk tested)

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| by the way...should I bugreport or is there others things to try such as
| the SD strength?

This problem is bigger than access to your SD Card, it is basically
issue of stability communicating with whole Glamo.  The SD Card is
handled by Glamo, so it gets impacted the same.

I guess report it as a bug, but I don't think your issue is anything to
do with SD Card per se, report it as Glamo corruption issue.

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Re: Make util not getting the toolchain

[Shaz]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:39 PM, xiangfu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi
>
> Shaz wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am compiling a small package which does not have any autoconf so has
>> only a simple recursive Makefile. When I try to build it with the OM
>> toolchain it gives me the following error message:
>>
>>make[1]:
>> /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/arm-angtrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not
>> found
> check you Makefile i think the CROSS should be  arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-
> seems you ignore a "S"  in angstrom
> hope this can help

RIGHT :0) But it was giving problems with the environment variables
too. I just added it later to troubleshoot the problem.
Thanks.

>
>>
>> The environment variables are fine as I have run the environment
>> script provided with the toolchain and checked it with echo
>> $. What can be the possible reason behind this weird
>> behavior?
>>
>> I tried compiling it with "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc" instead of
>> "make" and it worked half way through (LD etc needs to be done also)
>> but I don't want to do it that way anymore :)
>>
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Re: problems while installing remoko. (Erros on python-textutils)

[Valerio Valerio]

2008/9/22 Orlando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> While reading this document.
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller
>
> I tried to install the dependecies first.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# opkg install remokoserver python-ecore python-edbus
> python-edje python-evas python-dbus python-textutils
> Package remokoserver (0.2) installed in root is up to date.
> Package python-ecore (0.2.1+svnr35818-r2) installed in root is up to date.
> Package python-edbus (0.1.1+svnr35818-r3) installed in root is up to date.
> Package python-edje (0.2.1+svnr35818-r3) installed in root is up to date.
> Package python-evas (0.2.1+svnr35818-r1) installed in root is up to date.
> Package python-dbus (0.82.4-ml4) installed in root is up to date.
> Installing python-textutils (2.5.2-ml0) to root...
> Downloading
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/python-textutils_2.5.2-ml0_armv4t.opk
> An error ocurred, return value: 17.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc#
>
> While checking the errors here:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opkg#Error_Codes
>
> The error is seems to be a bad signature.  In those cases what I can do?
>
> I am currently using my FR with the stable image version. I tried to
> install anyway the remoko package... and it installs fine, but whe I rung it
> I have the following error:
>
> Error Information:
> An exit code of 1 was returned from /usr/bin/remoko.
>
> Output Data:
> There was no output
>
> Error Logs:
> There was no error message
>
> Does anyone has a clue ?
>
Hi,

you can start ReMoko trough ssh to see the error output (DISPLAY=:0.0
remoko), but if you don't have the python-textutils package ReMoko won't run
:(. Try to install the package manually, download it to the phone and do the
fallowing commnad:
opkg install .

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Re: Make util not getting the toolchain

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Hi

Shaz wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am compiling a small package which does not have any autoconf so has
> only a simple recursive Makefile. When I try to build it with the OM
> toolchain it gives me the following error message:
> 
>make[1]:
> /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/arm-angtrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not
> found
check you Makefile i think the CROSS should be  arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-
seems you ignore a "S"  in angstrom
hope this can help

> 
> The environment variables are fine as I have run the environment
> script provided with the toolchain and checked it with echo
> $. What can be the possible reason behind this weird
> behavior?
> 
> I tried compiling it with "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc" instead of
> "make" and it worked half way through (LD etc needs to be done also)
> but I don't want to do it that way anymore :)
> 
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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools

[Neil Jerram]

2008/9/22 Christian Weßel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Without network tools I am not able to check my FR network and therefore i 
> can't install any further SW.

What kind of networking have you set up?  USB, or have you configured
your WIFI too?

What does ifconfig say?  Maybe there will be a clue there...

Regards,
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Re: New rotate for OpenMoko

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 04:26:27PM +0800, Magnus Boman wrote:
> > http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.1.0.tar.gz
> > http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.1.0.tar.gz.asc
> 
> How much CPU does this utility use?
> I see that there are no delays in your while loop, hence my question.

Little, but 0.2.1 will have usleep (1sec feels too long and increases
likelyhood of missing packets), as well as an ALRM timer for the
"reading from accelerometers hangs after X time" problem.

I'm right now testing it, but I gotta work and can't release again until
much later on, today.

Meanwhile, 0.2.0 is out.
  http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.2.0.tar.gz
  http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.2.0.tar.gz.asc

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Re: python-pyqt -- building against Qtopia in 2008.8

[Kelvie Wong]

Hello Erin,

On Thursday, September 18, 2008 03:50:36 Erin Yueh wrote:
> also, i will discuss with Holger to see whether we can change Qt lib to
> '/usr/lib', instead of '/opt/Qtopia/lib'.

That's great; though it doesn't solve the problem of actually building against 
Qtopia using OE -- it will have to go in the staging area for that to happen 
(and perhaps there needs to be a bbclass for it?)

There are also issues with QMessageBox's using the X11 version of Qt, do you 
see this as well?  I can't seem to get a modal QMessageBox to show up (via the 
static functions similar to QMessageBox::warning())

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df-util && required minimum kernel version

[Matthias Apitz]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> uname -a
Linux albatros 2.6.5-7.97-smp #1 SMP Fri Jul 2 14:21:59 UTC 2004 i686 i686 i386 
GNU/Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> ./dfu-util -V
FATAL: kernel too old
Segmentation fault

i.e. what is the minimum required kernel version for df-util?
thx

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downloads && MD5 sums?

[Matthias Apitz]

Hello,

Concerning the download of new images from
http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/
(for example): are there any MD5 sums to ensure the correctnes of the
files and the download?

thx

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Re: New rotate for OpenMoko

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

Yeah, something like that, but how is it done, actually?

BTW, 

http://blog.1407.org/2008/09/22/openmoko-rotate-020/
http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.2.0.tar.gz
http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.2.0.tar.gz.asc

Rui

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:02:04AM +0200, Thomas Bertani wrote:
> why not making that pressing aux you could lock/unlock the current rotation
> state?
> 
> 2008/9/21 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > As said before, since I'm not entirely happy with the previous version
> > of Rotate for OpenMoko, also using it as a way to learn how to write
> > programs for it, I'm writing a new version of Rotate for OpenMoko.
> >
> > I'm now announcing the first results: release 0.1.0 is out (signature)!
> > The tar.gz file contains both source and a binary suited to run on
> > Om200x.y (at least 2008.9 should work).
> >
> > Be careful, it bytes.. :)
> >
> > $ cat ChangeLog
> > 2008-09-21 - 0.1.0 - First release.
> >Current Features:
> >* makes some rotations
> >
> >Known Issues:
> >* reading from the accelerometer hangs after X time/reads
> >* some heuristic values may need finetunning (specially when
> >  laying around, turned up)
> >
> >Near Future:
> >* don't rotate when screen is locked
> >* change profile to silent/meeting when phone is turned down
> >  and revert when it is turned back up
> >
> >
> > http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.1.0.tar.gz
> > http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.1.0.tar.gz.asc

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Re: New rotate for OpenMoko

[Magnus Boman]

Silva,

On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 08:02 +0200, Thomas Bertani wrote:
> why not making that pressing aux you could lock/unlock the current
> rotation state?
> 
> 2008/9/21 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hi,
> 
> As said before, since I'm not entirely happy with the previous
> version
> of Rotate for OpenMoko, also using it as a way to learn how to
> write
> programs for it, I'm writing a new version of Rotate for
> OpenMoko.
> 
> I'm now announcing the first results: release 0.1.0 is out
> (signature)!
> The tar.gz file contains both source and a binary suited to
> run on
> Om200x.y (at least 2008.9 should work).
> 
> Be careful, it bytes.. :)
> 
> $ cat ChangeLog
> 2008-09-21 - 0.1.0 - First release.
>Current Features:
>* makes some rotations
> 
>Known Issues:
>* reading from the accelerometer hangs after X
> time/reads
>* some heuristic values may need finetunning (specially
> when
>  laying around, turned up)
> 
>Near Future:
>* don't rotate when screen is locked
>* change profile to silent/meeting when phone is turned
> down
>  and revert when it is turned back up
> 
> 
> http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.1.0.tar.gz
> http://files.1407.org/openmoko/rotate/rotate-0.1.0.tar.gz.asc

How much CPU does this utility use?
I see that there are no delays in your while loop, hence my question.

Cheers,
Magnus



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