Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team
Hej, I tried to stay out of this thread as the discussion drifted away from paroli towards general discussion about OM's behavior, which is not controlled by me, but it seems to me that here 2 things are mixed that simply are unrelated and I am being judged based on a conversation log(!) and deemed unfriendly and what not. Jeremy McNaughton wrote: I've got to agree that some more communication about Paroli would be a good thing. Ok, valid point. After all, what was the point of selling the phones so early in the development cycle in the first place? Right on the main page of the wiki it says: Openmoko is a project driven by a community of passionate and intelligent volunteers. If you have the ability, please contribute to our cause. Openmoko's ambitions far exceed the resources available. What does that have to do with paroli? It can't be both ways. If Openmoko wants the community to help and/or develop for projects like Paroli, they need to be responsive when their volunteers ask for more information. If I get asked about info regarding paroli, its code or what we are trying to achieve I am all in. But in this case I was not asked about any specifics but Paul asked about the hidden department which controls all of OM and I found his question demeaning and out of place, let alone his wording. With Paroli in particular I can't see it being such a big deal to size the window so it can be used with Illume. At least for right now, until more time can be dedicated to whatever mysterious way we'll eventually use to switch back and forth can be implemented. Sorry to be a bit rough here, but:Have you looked at the code? Do you know what actually is the problem? If so why don't you simply send a patch? Or ask for commit rights? What bugs me here is that I am being pushed around for a) things that are not related to paroli and b) based on your assumptions. And while I don't know anything about the previous conversations between Mirko and Paul, I really hope that I never get dealt with that way by anyone with an openmoko.com email account. Nobody's perfect and I don't want to single Mirko out, but the conversation in the above IRC logs are less than stellar. Not a great way to deal with volunteers whose effort you're hoping to benefit from, especially when those volunteers are also paying customers. Paul and I have a short but drastic history of communication and I can assure you that is not my normal tone. I am not a fan of people going around a blaming so if that happens I either don't respond or become defensive, I think that is normal behavior. In regards to the anyone with an openmoko.com email account I believe that the underpinning idea, which is we have to always suck up what ever we get thrown at us and smile, nod and be happy about it, is simply wrong. This is a community project and volunteers whose effort I am [you're] hoping to benefit from of course are not met with disrespect and rudeness. I spend much time talking and chatting to explain how stuff works and why we do it. And so far you are the first person to suggest I am rude, from a secondary source. I am willing to put up with a lot because I know of the companies history and all that and I have done so. However there is a point when I simply have to say, Ok, suffered enough, now I think demanding fair treatment both ways is what is needed. So to put it very simple, the way a question is asked determines the way I answer. If I feel mistreated I will certainly not play happy, because I am doing my best to drive this forward and and also spend my free time on this project (yes I work much more than my official hours) so I do not see why I should not react as anyone else would. In general however I think Openmoko is starting to do better with communication, Paroli being a notable exception. Again I think you are going over the top and put negative energy that you have towards the company as a whole towards a single project that happens to come your way. Sorry to be so blunt but I see this mail as an attack on the work I have done so far and this attack is founded on false-grounds. I agree with one point I could communicate more, but then also give me a point, there could be more patches and less complainging about unimplemented functions. /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: deleting characters on raster's keyboard
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:34:58 +1300 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: ever since i've had my freerunner, i've had problems using raster's keyboard (the one with dictionary lookup). the biggest issues are the swipes for space and backspace - each time i try to do either of them, i generally unintentionally press a letter. deleting one character usually becomes very frustrating, selecting then trying to delete unwanted letters. i assume i'm doing something wrong - is there a technique for doing this well? it's intensely frustrating to use it's got to the point where i want to ditch the thing and go back to my hideous panasonic, which despite it's many failings at least it usable for typing cheers install these, they seem more usable to me: http://www.opkg.org/package_144.html http://www.opkg.org/package_106.html http://www.opkg.org/package_101.html Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Sunday 15 March 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Some initial things I found after a first boot: Out of interest, which version of QtExtended were you testing ? -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qt extended stops receiving sms
Hi, I've been having a problem with QT Extended not receiving txt messages. Any suggestions? When I restart qtopia they seem to arrive, or if I boot into om 2008.12 they arrive. Regards Glen Ogilvie signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Announcing the first programming competition for Openmoko phones
huh - just wantoed to let you know that the prize is now already 214€! Thanks for everyone bidding!! You still have over a week time to code/port a nice podcast app for Freerunner. Ignore the registration deadline but let me or Aapo know you're participating. More information: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/announcing-the-first-programming-competition-for-openmoko-phones/ r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[PATCH] u-boot support for sdhc card on gta01
Hello, I try to get u-boot working with sdhc cards on gta01. I applied patch from Alex [1] but it don't work for my sdhc card. Digging s3c2410 documents, I get it working with a new patch (attached) to apply on top Alex's patchs, against u-boot origin/stable. If you wan't to test it, I published my version of u-boot here : http://www.starox.org/pub/openmoko/u-boot/ A user already reports me that it won't work with his card, you're warned ;) -- Frédéric Leroy [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-December/007268.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-December/007269.html diff -r 27e0e0acc9b3 cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/mmc.c --- a/cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/mmc.c Sat Mar 14 22:42:47 2009 +0100 +++ b/cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/mmc.c Sat Mar 14 21:59:38 2009 + @@ -135,6 +135,9 @@ debug(mmc_block_rd dst %lx src %lx len %d\n, (ulong)dst, src, len); + /* Set up time - ref S3C2410A page 440 (19-4) */ + sdi-SDIDTIMER = 0x; + /* set block len */ resp = mmc_cmd(MMC_CMD_SET_BLOCKLEN, len, CMD_F_RESP); sdi-SDIBSIZE = len; @@ -186,6 +189,8 @@ if (!(sdi-SDIDSTA S3C2410_SDIDSTA_XFERFINISH)) debug(mmc_block_read; transfer not finished!\n); + + sdi-SDIDSTA = S3C2410_SDIDSTA_XFERFINISH; return 0; } ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] duplicate SMS messages
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Warren Baird photogeek...@gmail.comwrote: I haven't had time to install a 4.4.3 build yet, but I was wondering if anyone had confirmed if the duplicate sms message issue has been resolved? I'm running Lorn's build of 4.4.2, but my sms inbox keeps filling up 'cause every time I get an sms, I get duplicates of many of my messages added to the inbox... I was still getting this problem on a recent build (4.4.3) that I built using the qtopia toolchain. Could this be related to the modem firmware version? I am running an early version possible ver5 will have to check though. Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:38:58 +1100 Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: On Sunday 15 March 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Some initial things I found after a first boot: Out of interest, which version of QtExtended were you testing ? the one from here: http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/ with afterwards, the echo-fix tar ball from http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/snapbuild/ Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:35:37 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: BTW, the date was automatically set, somehow, some days later. Is this done when there is a phone call? (I have few phone calls). Timezone will be set according to the nationality of the GSM network you're associated to. Since this is annoying for a couple of people we'll probably make this optional/prompt for new timezone. Time will be updated either through NTP if your FR has a connection to the Internet or through GPS if you wait long enough. Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: Some initial things I found after a first boot: - upon boot, there's something about a ASoC driver (about the last thing you see before the graphical stuff begins), but it also says that this driver is only for gta01 hardware. Don't know if this affects anything though ... It seems that it does not matter. - upon first boot, you're required to set the time/timezone, but this setting is afterwards ignored and you need to redo this. So, if possible, this first setting screen should be removed. We can remove it... - the power management settings for plugged in mention that the phone should suspend when plugged in. This seems illogical. Also upon first boot, suspend doesn't work (when set to suspend after x secs when on battery), upon second boot it does ... But even then, when plugged in, it suspends (although the battery icon shows that it is loading, so the software detected that is plugged in). Hmmm ... tested it again (after putting the improved echo fix version on it) and the suspends no longer happens. If you are using build from dashi-x02.karadog.net, then try to disable the FSO frameworkd. Just remove the /etc/rc5.d/Sxxframeworkd. Then do a reboot. - upon first boot, pressing the phone icon without sim card in it, results in a black screen. You then need to press the powerbutton for 10 secs to reboot the device. Upon second boot, this doesn't happen anymore. So for now: reboot twice and put the improved version on it :-) Now on to the phone testing! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
On Sunday 15 March 2009, Daniel Willmann wrote: Timezone will be set according to the nationality of the GSM network you're associated to. Since this is annoying for a couple of people we'll probably make this optional/prompt for new timezone. Qt Extended has 3 options for this - Always, Ask and Off. Mind you I've never had Always or Ask work for me (in 4.4.2, not tried 4.4.3 yet) so I'm not sure if the functionality works in it, or whether it's just not finding what it expects to find. cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
Hello, On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:19:05 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: 1) I got the date reset to 1970 a few times. I was not paying attention but I guess this happens when battery is removed, i.e., there's no battery specific for the clock? there is a backup battery, but in my experience it only takes a couple hours without battery until the time is lost again. 2) Several posts mentioned that GPS could only get the fix if date was correct, the requirements being within 1 sec precision. However, with the date/time completely messed up, GPS is getting the fix anyway (and it's fairly fast, 1 min or so). So, what's up? I'm using SHR unstable from January. Is the GPS driver (?) being to ignore dates before FR production, or something else? It's not ignoring anything, but the chip is robust enough to recover from that. ogpsd should add some safeguards like storing the offset GPS time/system time so that it will report the correct time to the GPS chip even if somebody sets their time to be five minutes ahead constantly. 3) While using tangoGPS and I enter a building, when I come out, a fix is not gotten until I reboot FR. Is this a known issue? any quicker workaround than rebooting? So you're going in with a fix and when you come out you wont get a fix any more? How long are you staying in the building? Please check with the GPS tabs in zhone How many SVs have ephemeris before and after you are inside the building. Also check after you've left the building if you are seeing any signals from SVs and if the chip actually thinks there are SVs in the sky. Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:26:51 +0800 HouYu Li kara...@gmail.com wrote: - upon first boot, you're required to set the time/timezone, but this setting is afterwards ignored and you need to redo this. So, if possible, this first setting screen should be removed. We can remove it... well, either removing or making it work are the options :-) - the power management settings for plugged in mention that the phone should suspend when plugged in. This seems illogical. Also upon first boot, suspend doesn't work (when set to suspend after x secs when on battery), upon second boot it does ... But even then, when plugged in, it suspends (although the battery icon shows that it is loading, so the software detected that is plugged in). Hmmm ... tested it again (after putting the improved echo fix version on it) and the suspends no longer happens. If you are using build from dashi-x02.karadog.net, then try to disable the FSO frameworkd. Just remove the /etc/rc5.d/Sxxframeworkd. Then do a reboot. I am using this version. But the frameworkd is not started in runlevel 5 (in which qtextended is booted), and doesn't seem to be running either. I took testing-om-gta02-20090120.uImage.bin and qt-extended-4.4.3-rootfs.jffs2 from http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/ (and afterwards, updated qtextended to the snapshot echo-fix build) But from what I'm reading at http://moko.mwester.net/qtextended.html, it seems that apm-qtopia-v2.tgz is not on the image (some fix/script for gsm suspend/resume). Is this still needed? If so, it should be in the jffs image ... Also at mwester, there's mentioning about extra modules that need to be installed (next to the jffs2 image). Is this needed? And another thing at mwester, http://moko.mwester.net/download/qmemoryfile_unix_open_args.patch has a change that is not in the git. Is this patch relevant or not? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
Daniel Willmann wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:35:37 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: BTW, the date was automatically set, somehow, some days later. Is this done when there is a phone call? (I have few phone calls). Timezone will be set according to the nationality of the GSM network you're associated to. Since this is annoying for a couple of people we'll probably make this optional/prompt for new timezone. Time will be updated either through NTP if your FR has a connection to the Internet or through GPS if you wait long enough. I'm a bit confused with this: I would assume that if timezone is changed, time/date would be automatically updated. So, why then bother to update time based on NTP or GPS? Also, it would be nice to know, grossly, how much is long enough, but I suppose it's not yet done or decided... When I'm traveling for short periods, usually I don't bother to change times to local, unless I have tight schedules to follow and prefer not to risk missing a mental time translation. For longer periods, usually I do. I think it would be nice to go to a date/time setting panel having (also) a button to just change the timezone. Of course this requires the FR to know at all times that the set timezone is not the local one. Also, a very small but annoying issue: busybox date command displays a very brief help string that does not tell which is the input format to set date/time. If one is on the road, without a GUI to set date/time, and no man page, the format is difficult to guess (date -s MMDDhhmm.ss). I suggest to show this format on the help string of date (I know technically it is a trivial change, but no idea of what this involves regarding patch bureaucracy). Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] duplicate SMS messages
I was still getting this problem on a recent build (4.4.3) that I built using the qtopia toolchain. Could this be related to the modem firmware version? I am running an early version possible ver5 will have to check though. Tim Hi Tim, i am running 4.3.3 and no problem with that. But my firmware is moko11 - flashed it recently according to [1]. GSM firmware could be the problem - i have no idea what else could be different. But i am not expert in this. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:31:18 +1100 Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: On Sunday 15 March 2009, Daniel Willmann wrote: Timezone will be set according to the nationality of the GSM network you're associated to. Since this is annoying for a couple of people we'll probably make this optional/prompt for new timezone. Qt Extended has 3 options for this - Always, Ask and Off. Mind you I've never had Always or Ask work for me (in 4.4.2, not tried 4.4.3 yet) so I'm not sure if the functionality works in it, or whether it's just not finding what it expects to find. I think (not sure) that Qt Extended uses the time(zone) cellbroadcast messages which are broadcasted by some operators. In Germany for example nobody sends these so the framework looks up the country code of the GSM cell we're logged in and changes the timezone according to the zone this country belongs to. This is problematic/inaccurate/annoying for countries that span different timezones like the USA, Russia, Australia. Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Good news: FixNow mode can be wakenup through serial port
this seems extremely interesting,
i find it strange there is not more response to this mail
will FSO try to incoporate it?
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:24 AM, mqy meng.qing...@gmail.com wrote:
U-BLOX GPS chip ANTRAIS 4 and above can run in several power modes:
0: Continuous Tracking Mode, about 3.5 mA
1: Fix Now -- sleep mode about 130 uA
Fix Now mode can be enabled by ubx binary message CFG-RXM. Detailed
parameters are configured by CFG-FXN.
One of the problem is how to activate (wake up) from sleep mode. I've read
several message lists discussing this issue, it seems no way to wake up
through serial port.
http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-kernel/2009/1/22/4794494/thread
I've tried make GPS chip goes into sleep mode several days ago, but can't
wakeup it.
Last night I found good references through google:
1.
http://www.u-blox.com/customersupport/gps.g3/ANTARIS_EvalKit_User_Guide(GPS.G3-EK-02003).pdf
When waking up TIM-Lx with RxD1, RxD2 from sleep- or backup state send a
number (at least 8) of
0xFF characters to wake up the serial communication module otherwise the
first bytes may get lost. To
request a position fix a position request message must be sent via serial
port after waking up the
ANTARIS GPS Receiver.
2.
http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/36822/NL_60415_-_Datenblatt_u-blox_GPS_Module_24092007_481.pdf
5.3.3 Change operation mode
Please add header with dummy data for any command when the GPS module is in
sleep mode. This is required for wake-up in sleep mode. The dummy data in
hexadecimal is “0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF”.
I've test this with ubx binary protocol:
1) enable FixNow (sleep mode) by CFG-RXM, configure CFG-FXN
2) periodically poll NAV-POSLLH, NAV-VELNED, NAV-SVINFO. Before writing each
poll request, write
unsigned char array {0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,
0xB5,0x62,0x02,0x40,0x00,0x00,0x42,0xC8};
/* note: first line: dummy data, second line: RXM-POSREQ */
then sleep 1 second;
3) toggle between Continuous Tracking Mode and FixNow mode by call
CFG-RXM (if in FixNow mode, first write dummy data and RXM-POSREQ)
With MON-SCHED, the average GPS CPU load in Continuous Tracking Mode is
about 35%, regardless of send_rate, max nav SVs, 2d/2d nav mode. No
performance test data for FixNow mode for now.
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Re: date and GPS related questions
Daniel, many thanks for your replies, please see below. Daniel Willmann wrote: Hello, On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:19:05 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: there is a backup battery, but in my experience it only takes a couple hours without battery until the time is lost again. I never leave the battery out, I only take it out to reboot after a crash. But now I wonder: usually I keep the phone switched off during the night, and since I use it rarely, sometimes I forget it switched off at home. Is it the case that, when FR is switched off, the main battery does not feed the backup battery? (yeah it sounds weird, the main battery would become the backup of the backup battery). So you're going in with a fix and when you come out you wont get a fix any more? How long are you staying in the building? 1 hour is sufficient to become unable to get the fix back. Please check with the GPS tabs in zhone How many SVs have ephemeris before and after you are inside the building. Also check after you've left the building if you are seeing any signals from SVs and if the chip actually thinks there are SVs in the sky. I don't have zhone installed but from using tangoGPS I remember it stated always 0 SV on the sky (e.g. 8/0). I don't think in tangoGPS I can see how many have ephemeris data (I though all of them had it). I'll install zhone and do the checks. regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qt extended stops receiving sms
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Glen, I have the same Problem with QT Extended 4.4.2. I wanted to test the new Version 4.4.3 but did not find any Information if the known problems (like doubled incoming calls) are fixed. So I will wait another few days before testing the new version. Greetings Bastian Glen Ogilvie schrieb: Hi, I've been having a problem with QT Extended not receiving txt messages. Any suggestions? When I restart qtopia they seem to arrive, or if I boot into om 2008.12 they arrive. Regards Glen Ogilvie -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvRSilYiDScJJ+7QRAgQqAJ9RWTqS5g1YiGRL0aNaUH31yCL14QCaA1s6 UrOjMF5a2/u40vzbAwtv4Nc= =PXLD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:41:03 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: Daniel Willmann wrote: Timezone will be set according to the nationality of the GSM network you're associated to. Since this is annoying for a couple of people we'll probably make this optional/prompt for new timezone. Time will be updated either through NTP if your FR has a connection to the Internet or through GPS if you wait long enough. I'm a bit confused with this: I would assume that if timezone is changed, time/date would be automatically updated. So, why then There are a couple reasons actually. First, determining timezone based on the country code of the GSM network you're logged in does not give you any indication of the actual time. Second, the actual timezone and time cellbroadcast messages are not sent by all providers. In Germany none of the providers support these... Third, even if time is sent as cellbroadcast the time sent can be off by a couple of minutes (warning, this is hearsay. I have no real experience with time cellbroadcast messages). bother to update time based on NTP or GPS? Also, it would be nice to know, grossly, how much is long enough, but I suppose it's not yet done or decided... IIRC otimed (Jan should know better) will listen to the time signal of the GPS (which is only sent if GPS is on) and adjust the system time accordingly. Same with ntp which is checked periodically (and only works if a network connection is present, obviously). periods, usually I do. I think it would be nice to go to a date/time setting panel having (also) a button to just change the timezone. Of course this requires the FR to know at all times that the set timezone is not the local one. I'm not sure I understand completely. I can't see why one wouldn't want to set the proper time (maybe with an offset option for people notoriously being late so they can set the clock to real-time + 5min). Could you explain some more what you mean by that? You can already statically enable specific time(-zone) sources or disable them all together in /etc/frameworkd.conf: [otimed] # a list of time/zone sources to use or NONE timesources = GPS,NTP zonesources = GSM Also, a very small but annoying issue: busybox date command displays a very brief help string that does not tell which is the input format to set date/time. If one is on the road, without a GUI to set date/time, and no man page, the format is difficult to guess (date -s MMDDhhmm.ss). I suggest to show this format on the help string of date (I know technically it is a trivial change, but no idea of what this involves regarding patch bureaucracy). Yes, I have learned to have busybox for this and similar reasons. Maybe some day we'll replace it with the real packages, but I don't know how much space that will eat. Anyway, what I would want on the road (regardless of the busybox annoyance, which should be fixed) is actually a GUI to change date/time. Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:36:29 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: Daniel Willmann wrote: there is a backup battery, but in my experience it only takes a couple hours without battery until the time is lost again. But now I wonder: usually I keep the phone switched off during the night, and since I use it rarely, sometimes I forget it switched off at home. Is it the case that, when FR is switched off, the main battery does not feed the backup battery? (yeah it sounds weird, the main battery would become the backup of the backup battery). That should work. I'm trying to reproduce that now. Does that also happen if you keep your FR switched off overnight or for a couple of hours? After that happens is your main battery drained completely or is it at about the same level before you turned your FR off? So you're going in with a fix and when you come out you wont get a fix any more? How long are you staying in the building? 1 hour is sufficient to become unable to get the fix back. Okay, would be interesting to see what zhone says about the issue. I don't have zhone installed but from using tangoGPS I remember it stated always 0 SV on the sky (e.g. 8/0). I don't think in tangoGPS I can see how many have ephemeris data (I though all of them had it). IIRC 8/0 means the GPS thinks there are 8 SVs in the sky, but it uses 0 for the fix. I'll install zhone and do the checks. Great, thanks. Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
shr- install zhone
Hi, I wanted to install zhone on SHR (unstable from January 16th or so) to check GPS data, but when I tried opkg install zhone all I got was An error ocurred, return value: -50512. which I think means the package is not in the repository, or it uses a different name (?) Also, on the wiki page for zhone, it says how to install zhone in Ubuntu, but not in FR. What should I do to install zhone? TIA, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Announcing the first programming competition for Openmoko phones
Add to the bounty for the winner a free leather case and if it's a group a 5 Eur discount on each additional leather case to his members:). I have to add this to cofundos comments too? 2009/3/15 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: huh - just wantoed to let you know that the prize is now already 214€! Thanks for everyone bidding!! You still have over a week time to code/port a nice podcast app for Freerunner. Ignore the registration deadline but let me or Aapo know you're participating. More information: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/announcing-the-first-programming-competition-for-openmoko-phones/ r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Good news: FixNow mode can be wakenup through serial port
Hello,
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:24:49 -0700 (PDT)
mqy meng.qing...@gmail.com wrote:
U-BLOX GPS chip ANTRAIS 4 and above can run in several power modes:
0: Continuous Tracking Mode, about 3.5 mA
1: Fix Now -- sleep mode about 130 uA
This sounds quite promising. How was FixNow configured in that case?
One of the problem is how to activate (wake up) from sleep mode. I've
read several message lists discussing this issue, it seems no way to
wake up through serial port.
http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-kernel/2009/1/22/4794494/thread
I think you misunderstood that post. In there Andy says that the GPS
will have no way to wake us up if it has a fix. What is possible is to
put the GPS into FixNow mode and wake it up either by sending some
serial data or by toggling the EXTINT0 pin that is routed to our SoC.
I've tried make GPS chip goes into sleep mode several days ago, but
can't wakeup it.
Last night I found good references through google:
1.
http://www.u-blox.com/customersupport/gps.g3/ANTARIS_EvalKit_User_Guide(GPS.G3-EK-02003).pdf
When waking up TIM-Lx with RxD1, RxD2 from sleep- or backup state
send a number (at least 8) of
0xFF characters to wake up the serial communication module otherwise
the first bytes may get lost. To
request a position fix a position request message must be sent via
serial port after waking up the
ANTARIS GPS Receiver.
Yeah, page 26f. also states that the receiver can be woken up via
EXTINT0 and it will compute and send a position in response.
I've test this with ubx binary protocol:
1) enable FixNow (sleep mode) by CFG-RXM, configure CFG-FXN
2) periodically poll NAV-POSLLH, NAV-VELNED, NAV-SVINFO. Before
writing each poll request, write
unsigned char array {0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,
0xB5,0x62,0x02,0x40,0x00,0x00,0x42,0xC8};
/* note: first line: dummy data, second line: RXM-POSREQ */
then sleep 1 second;
3) toggle between Continuous Tracking Mode and FixNow mode by call
CFG-RXM (if in FixNow mode, first write dummy data and RXM-POSREQ)
Would you mind publishing your code? I'm interested in integrating this
in ogpsd as well.
Regards,
Daniel Willmann
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Re: date and GPS related questions
Am So 15. März 2009 schrieb Fernando Martins: Daniel, many thanks for your replies, please see below. Daniel Willmann wrote: Hello, On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:19:05 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: there is a backup battery, but in my experience it only takes a couple hours without battery until the time is lost again. I never leave the battery out, I only take it out to reboot after a crash. But now I wonder: usually I keep the phone switched off during the night, and since I use it rarely, sometimes I forget it switched off at home. Is it the case that, when FR is switched off, the main battery does not feed the backup battery? (yeah it sounds weird, the main battery would become the backup of the backup battery). From PCF50633 PMU datasheet it seems backup bat isn't used as long as main battery is supplying sufficient voltage, no matter whether phone switched off or not. So backup bat is the backup for main bat, not vice versa ;-) /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
Daniel Willmann wrote: I'm not sure I understand completely. I can't see why one wouldn't want to set the proper time (maybe with an offset option for people notoriously being late so they can set the clock to real-time + 5min). Could you explain some more what you mean by that? Ok, this might not seem so rational, but it works for me: because I have to correct the time for several devices (wrist-watch, car, phone, etc), I just ignore all of those. In a couple of days, they'll be back to the correct time anyway :). The important point is that all my clocks are consistently wrong. If FR changes the timezone without me realising it, then I can be tricked into looking into the right time and wrongly add up one hour more on it. (it has happend that I fixed one clock and then get tricked by another - it can happen both under stress or total relaxation :-) That's why (consistency) I would prefer to have manual control of time changes on FR, but I'm starting to feel I'm the nut job here :-) Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: odd mail, pretends to be from openmoko sales dep
if I'm not mistaken, it's: Ailsa Huang ailsa_hu...@openmoko.com same here: From: Ailsa huang ailsa_hu...@openmoko.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:14:23 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: Daniel Willmann wrote: I'm not sure I understand completely. I can't see why one wouldn't want to set the proper time (maybe with an offset option for people notoriously being late so they can set the clock to real-time + 5min). Could you explain some more what you mean by that? Ok, this might not seem so rational, but it works for me: because I have to correct the time for several devices (wrist-watch, car, phone, etc), I just ignore all of those. In a couple of days, they'll be back to the correct time anyway :). The important point is that all my clocks are consistently wrong. If FR changes the timezone without me realising it, then I can be tricked into looking into the right time and wrongly add up one hour more on it. (it has happend that I fixed one clock and then get tricked by another - it can happen both under stress or total relaxation :-) Okay, I can totally understand that. But in that case you only want to disable the timezone changes. You would still want your time to be accurate to the second (of the timezone it is set to), would you not? That's why (consistency) I would prefer to have manual control of time changes on FR, but I'm starting to feel I'm the nut job here :-) No, I'm all for control. But I need to understand what you actually want before I can think about implementing it. :-) Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Installing *.ipk/*.opk part 1: Dependencies
maybe it would be easier... or maybe not... opkg and deb packages are similar, so it would be nice to have a cross-tool. As you can see debian packaging some times is slow... that's why sometimes it may be useful to test opkg apps directly. (and after all.. linux is choice, isn't it?) nobody out there, willing to adapt/extend alien? that's the tool written for exactly such purposes -- would be sensible to make it handle [i|o]pk as well, wouldn't it? If you want to give a try, you can starting compiling navit, that right now it's missing on deb repos. i asked today the owner of http://navit.latouche.info/debian/sid/, if he/she could provide an armel deb as well. for the moment i put my newly built deb up to http://www.ginguppin.de/node/26 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
Daniel Willmann wrote: But now I wonder: usually I keep the phone switched off during the night, and since I use it rarely, sometimes I forget it switched off at home. Is it the case that, when FR is switched off, the main battery does not feed the backup battery? (yeah it sounds weird, the main battery would become the backup of the backup battery). That should work. I'm trying to reproduce that now. Does that also happen if you keep your FR switched off overnight or for a couple of hours? After that happens is your main battery drained completely or is it at about the same level before you turned your FR off? It's not simple to give an accurate answer because I hardly need a mobile and even rarely look at the FR time. When I notice the date was reseted (which happened ~3 times in a couple of months) it's difficult to associate it with what I've done with the battery. Usually (but not always) I charge it in the evening before switching it off (it's never fully charged because of GSM being ON). I don't recall ever being surprised by a (almost) drained battery. I never let the battery discharge completely (for known reasons). I will pay attention to battery date in the mornings. If there is some other specific observation that could be useful let me know. IIRC 8/0 means the GPS thinks there are 8 SVs in the sky, but it uses 0 for the fix. Yes, you are right. Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSM buzz-fix party in Braunschweig, Germany
Dear Freerunner owners, (X-Posted to devel since there are probably some people not reading community due to low SNR) I have now performed a couple buzz fixes and feel pretty confident that I'll fix more phones than I'll break in the process. :-) (I haven't broken any phones until now) In order to gauge interest and plan ahead wrt ordering Resistors/Capacitors I'd like to know how many phones would come. The party will probably take place in mid April. If you are interested and would show up please mail me privately and also tell me how many phones you would bring. If all goes well I'll be doing this with support from Openmoko and will be able to replace any Freerunners I break in the process. Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM buzz-fix party in Braunschweig, Germany
with OM support i would surely like the fix to be applied On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Daniel Willmann dan...@openmoko.org wrote: Dear Freerunner owners, (X-Posted to devel since there are probably some people not reading community due to low SNR) I have now performed a couple buzz fixes and feel pretty confident that I'll fix more phones than I'll break in the process. :-) (I haven't broken any phones until now) In order to gauge interest and plan ahead wrt ordering Resistors/Capacitors I'd like to know how many phones would come. The party will probably take place in mid April. If you are interested and would show up please mail me privately and also tell me how many phones you would bring. If all goes well I'll be doing this with support from Openmoko and will be able to replace any Freerunners I break in the process. Regards, Daniel Willmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM buzz-fix party in Braunschweig, Germany
Daniel Willmann dan...@openmoko.org writes: I have now performed a couple buzz fixes and feel pretty confident that I'll fix more phones than I'll break in the process. :-) (I haven't broken any phones until now) Cool, have you thought about accepting phones to be sent to you by mail? I'm sure you could ask for a fee to cover your time and material costs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM buzz-fix party in Braunschweig, Germany
Cool, have you thought about accepting phones to be sent to you by mail? I'm sure you could ask for a fee to cover your time and material costs. This would be pretty sweet! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am So 15. März 2009 schrieb Fernando Martins: Daniel, many thanks for your replies, please see below. Daniel Willmann wrote: Hello, On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:19:05 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: there is a backup battery, but in my experience it only takes a couple hours without battery until the time is lost again. I never leave the battery out, I only take it out to reboot after a crash. But now I wonder: usually I keep the phone switched off during the night, and since I use it rarely, sometimes I forget it switched off at home. Is it the case that, when FR is switched off, the main battery does not feed the backup battery? (yeah it sounds weird, the main battery would become the backup of the backup battery). From PCF50633 PMU datasheet it seems backup bat isn't used as long as main battery is supplying sufficient voltage, no matter whether phone switched off or not. So backup bat is the backup for main bat, not vice versa ;-) /j Uff, I was getting all confused with these batteries back and forth :-) I never let the main battery drain fully, so something else has caused the date to reset. BTW, I was also curious whether the backup battery recharge itself, and from the datasheet above it seems to be the case. I still remember the old times where I had to replace batteries in PC motherboards. Nowadays motherboards dye before the battery :-) Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Usage improvements - power
Neo Rart wrote: Hi, I use SHR since January and it feels quite stable and fast. The only things I miss from Om2008.x is brightness setting and forcing higher charging current. I know brightness control is planned in SHR-settings but what to do in the mean time? I need also aplication similar to Battery.py available for Om2008.x. How can I manage charging in SHR? I believe you can run battery.py on SHR - I did that at some point in time but lost the app after a reflash. My phone charges with 500mA from the pc and my car charger, I don't miss 1000mA that much. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-SHR--Usage-improvements---power-tp2482012p2482400.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
Daniel Willmann wrote: Okay, I can totally understand that. But in that case you only want to disable the timezone changes. I assume the default is to have automatic timezone changes enabled. I would like to go to a config file (no big need for UI) and change enabled to disabled (or change 1 to 0). When I need to change the date/time, I would go to an UI, which tests if (option=0 AND FR_timezone local_timezone), a button labeled Adjust to local timezone would become enabled. You would still want your time to be accurate to the second (of the timezone it is set to), would you not? Personally yes, but I know people, as you also mentioned, who advance their watches 5 min (or even 15 min) to help them be on time. Therefore I am inclined to say that in this case an automatic change after moving to another timezone should keep an existing shift on time. Is this problematic? Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no neighbouring cells
Am Montag, den 09.03.2009, 00:42 +0100 schrieb Daniel Willmann: On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:12:50 +0100 Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com wrote: So the problem is in FSO? Why then I get neighbouring cells in zhone and not in Cellhunter? That kinda excludes problem in framework. No, frameworkd is the problem in that case. Zhone uses the DBus API to get neighbouring cells while cellhunter prior to that patch used the debug interface to send a special AT command to the modem (which is what the neighbouring cell DBus API does anyway). It seems that the new-timeout branch has somehow make the debug commands useless, we'll need to investigate that. Should be fixed with beef8c40c13ec8aaf9e4a973eb053ae3373aa43d :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Usage improvements - power
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Neo Rart neo.r...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I use SHR since January and it feels quite stable and fast. The only things I miss from Om2008.x is brightness setting and forcing higher charging current. I know brightness control is planned in SHR-settings but what to do in the mean time? I need also aplication similar to Battery.py available for Om2008.x. How can I manage charging in SHR? Regards, NR i just have a little shell script which uses mdbus and sets a default bightness of 40 when no value is givn. if [ -z $1 ]; then brigt=40 else brigt=$1 fi mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/Display/gta02_bl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On 15/03/2009, at 2:17 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:24:20 +0100 Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: Some initial things I found after a first boot: - upon boot, there's something about a ASoC driver (about the last thing you see before the graphical stuff begins), but it also says that this driver is only for gta01 hardware. Don't know if this affects anything though ... - upon first boot, you're required to set the time/timezone, but this setting is afterwards ignored and you need to redo this. So, if possible, this first setting screen should be removed. - the power management settings for plugged in mention that the phone should suspend when plugged in. This seems illogical. Also upon first boot, suspend doesn't work (when set to suspend after x secs when on battery), upon second boot it does ... But even then, when plugged in, it suspends (although the battery icon shows that it is loading, so the software detected that is plugged in). Hmmm ... tested it again (after putting the improved echo fix version on it) and the suspends no longer happens. - upon first boot, pressing the phone icon without sim card in it, results in a black screen. You then need to press the powerbutton for 10 secs to reboot the device. Upon second boot, this doesn't happen anymore. So for now: reboot twice and put the improved version on it :-) Now on to the phone testing! ok, first simple tests: - writing an sms is an almost impossible task ... unless you can disable predictiveness and use a good keyboard, this will need attention. The thing is that I want to write an sms with my fingertips ... I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word. But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Usage improvements - power
It's way simpler to change the respective oeventsd rule in rules.yaml. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr- install zhone
2009/3/16 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl: I wanted to install zhone on SHR (unstable from January 16th or so) to check GPS data, but when I tried opkg install zhone all I got was An error ocurred, return value: -50512. which I think means the package is not in the repository, or it uses a different name (?) Also, on the wiki page for zhone, it says how to install zhone in Ubuntu, but not in FR. What should I do to install zhone? i don't use shr, but try: opkg update opkg list|grep zhone to find out if it's there or not and what it's name is ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Solar charger
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Giovanni pino.o...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday I bought this small portable solar charger: http://www.powersafer.net/it-it/prodotti/sc-10.html I found it in OBI (italian store) for 29.9 euro. It should be available also at Bennet and Conad, in Italy. It should work with the Freerunner. In fact it shouldn't. According to the data-sheet it maxes out at 100 mA, not enough to keep the Neo running, and definitely not enough to charge it. So in the best case (on a hot summer day without a cloud on the sky) you can keep it running some more minutes to do a last emergency call. I hope so! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:43:46 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: Daniel Willmann wrote: Okay, I can totally understand that. But in that case you only want to disable the timezone changes. I assume the default is to have automatic timezone changes enabled. I would like to go to a config file (no big need for UI) and change enabled to disabled (or change 1 to 0). When I need to change the date/time, I would go to an UI, which tests if (option=0 AND FR_timezone local_timezone), a button labeled Adjust to local timezone would become enabled. Sure thing. Go to /etc/frameworkd.conf and look at the section # # Subsystem configuration for otimed # [otimed] # a list of time/zone sources to use or NONE timesources = GPS,NTP zonesources = GSM Just set timesources to NONE and nobody but you will meddle with the time. Set zonesources to NONE and the same will be true for timezones. You would still want your time to be accurate to the second (of the timezone it is set to), would you not? Personally yes, but I know people, as you also mentioned, who advance their watches 5 min (or even 15 min) to help them be on time. Therefore I am inclined to say that in this case an automatic change after moving to another timezone should keep an existing shift on time. Is this problematic? As I said setting timesources to NONE will just not change the time at all. What isn't implemented, but I'd like to see is a configurable offset from the current time so people could keep timesources enabled and still have their clock be 5 minutes early. I don't see any problems implementation wise, just that someone will have to do it. Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:36:29 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: I'll install zhone and do the checks. Hi Daniel, I'm having trouble to install zhone. What about using telnet to extract the GPS info you asked? (what would I have to do?) Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no neighbouring cells
It's working now! Thanks! Leonti On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@openmoko.org wrote: Am Montag, den 09.03.2009, 00:42 +0100 schrieb Daniel Willmann: On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:12:50 +0100 Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com wrote: So the problem is in FSO? Why then I get neighbouring cells in zhone and not in Cellhunter? That kinda excludes problem in framework. No, frameworkd is the problem in that case. Zhone uses the DBus API to get neighbouring cells while cellhunter prior to that patch used the debug interface to send a special AT command to the modem (which is what the neighbouring cell DBus API does anyway). It seems that the new-timeout branch has somehow make the debug commands useless, we'll need to investigate that. Should be fixed with beef8c40c13ec8aaf9e4a973eb053ae3373aa43d :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: date and GPS related questions
No, otimed sucks for a number of reasons (not the least being hard coded to an NTP server somewhere in Europe) so control like you are after is critical. In Perth Australia, vodafone appears to have my location set to Lord Howe Island - some 3000+ km away in the pacific - I am near the Indian Ocean. As well, I suspect they are not sending local time, but time as it is in the eastern states (2hr diff). Is there a way to get the gsm to print the data as to what it thinks it is? - some command in mickeyterm? - be nice to confirm and know what its actually doing as I certainly cant trust the FR to get it right. The freerunner by design seems unable to keep accurate time unless you are in Europe ... BillK On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 17:14 +0100, Fernando Martins wrote: Daniel Willmann wrote: I'm not sure I understand completely. I can't see why one wouldn't want to set the proper time (maybe with an offset option for people notoriously being late so they can set the clock to real-time + 5min). Could you explain some more what you mean by that? Ok, this might not seem so rational, but it works for me: because I have to correct the time for several devices (wrist-watch, car, phone, etc), I just ignore all of those. In a couple of days, they'll be back to the correct time anyway :). The important point is that all my clocks are consistently wrong. If FR changes the timezone without me realising it, then I can be tricked into looking into the right time and wrongly add up one hour more on it. (it has happend that I fixed one clock and then get tricked by another - it can happen both under stress or total relaxation :-) That's why (consistency) I would prefer to have manual control of time changes on FR, but I'm starting to feel I'm the nut job here :-) Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Solar charger
Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net writes: According to the data-sheet it maxes out at 100 mA, not enough to keep the Neo running, and definitely not enough to charge it. But neo only uses about 15-30 mA on suspend so you should be able to charge neo while it is in suspend. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Usage improvements - power
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Helge Hafting ha scritto: I believe you can run battery.py on SHR - I did that at some point in time but lost the app after a reflash. My phone charges with 500mA from the pc and my car charger, I don't miss 1000mA that much. No, battery.py is completely useless on SHR with 2.6.28 kernel. Joel Newkirk has privately explained me[1] how to get it work but I don't have so much time to try these days. So, also I _need_ to force the fast charging mode on SHR, because the 100 mAh given from my car adaptor make SHR completely useless if I turn on GPS for long tracks. Is there anyone who wants to package or simply hack the existing battery.py to make it work on SHR? I'll really appreciate it :) Thanks :D [1] I think Joel will not have any problem if I paste his mail on why and how get battery.py work on SHR: http://paste.ubuntu.com/131738/ - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm9flgACgkQRi2TsGSC4FY7qwCgmA1ypCZmtItJE4vByt+mKzus hAoAn1aM2FGPBwnOiEROfjWy9AsDd2FK =61kG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word. But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle. It isn't too bad, but it's very painful as soon as the word you're typing isn't in it's dictionary. It should always offer exactly what you typed as an option, regardless of whether it's in the dictionay or not: If I type pwned, I should see both pwned and owned in the word list. It's also completely evil when you try to type just a single character, such as the word I or a full stop - I often have trouble tapping on these in the word list to get them to be added to what I'm typing - seems they're too small and require precise tapping. You should be able to add a word to the dictionary very easily, perhaps even automatically adding any word you type which isn't in the dictionary - I use *many* non-dictionary wrds wen im typin an sms, 2 da point where language other than english' would describe it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvYBLFbVnQRV3OEYRAouhAKCcPqoOISvoBpJI+M/y0CCgvfs60ACgknLW UEXls4NoRCHbn5CFHDK3DCc= =JgbT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:31:43 +1000 Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: - writing an sms is an almost impossible task ... unless you can disable predictiveness and use a good keyboard, this will need attention. The thing is that I want to write an sms with my fingertips ... I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word. But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle. well, indeed, I mostly write Dutch or sms-speak :-) So then, I should be able to be disabled the predictive part ... Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtExtended] Terminal
Hi, this is patch and sources for adding terminal application to QT Extended Improved. Patch is attached, sources are here [1]. They are taken from here [2]. The tar has to be extracted to src/3rdparty/applications then apply patch and rebuild. Radek [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qterminal/qterminal.tar.gz [2] http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=tree;f=src/3rdparty/applications/qterminal;h=ae7a87fde1f1200ed0deab47b1bf6ca197f072ae;hb=tsdogs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word. But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle. It isn't too bad, but it's very painful as soon as the word you're typing isn't in it's dictionary. It should always offer exactly what you typed as an option, regardless of whether it's in the dictionay or not: If I type pwned, I should see both pwned and owned in the word list. It's also completely evil when you try to type just a single character, such as the word I or a full stop - I often have trouble tapping on these in the word list to get them to be added to what I'm typing - seems they're too small and require precise tapping. You should be able to add a word to the dictionary very easily, perhaps even automatically adding any word you type which isn't in the dictionary - I use *many* non-dictionary wrds wen im typin an sms, 2 da point where language other than english' would describe it. Just hold down on the letter you want to select. You will see a round 'spy glass' thing pop up with your letter. -- Lorn Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software R D, Nokia Pty Ltd. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:31:43 +1000 Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: - writing an sms is an almost impossible task ... unless you can disable predictiveness and use a good keyboard, this will need attention. The thing is that I want to write an sms with my fingertips ... I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word. But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle. well, indeed, I mostly write Dutch or sms-speak :-) So then, I should be able to be disabled the predictive part ... You just need to add your words to the dictionary, so you wont have to tap so much. -- Lorn Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software R D, Nokia Pty Ltd. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
2009/3/16 Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com: Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word. But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle. It isn't too bad, but it's very painful as soon as the word you're typing isn't in it's dictionary. It should always offer exactly what you typed as an option, regardless of whether it's in the dictionay or not: If I type pwned, I should see both pwned and owned in the word list. It's also completely evil when you try to type just a single character, such as the word I or a full stop - I often have trouble tapping on these in the word list to get them to be added to what I'm typing - seems they're too small and require precise tapping. You should be able to add a word to the dictionary very easily, perhaps even automatically adding any word you type which isn't in the dictionary - I use *many* non-dictionary wrds wen im typin an sms, 2 da point where language other than english' would describe it. Totally agree on this, for me is ok that the machine tries to help me but is mandatory the machine let me the option to type whatever I want to type Just hold down on the letter you want to select. You will see a round 'spy glass' thing pop up with your letter. This add a lot of delay on typing. -- Lorn Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software R D, Nokia Pty Ltd. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Thinking deeply about cofundos.org
Dear colleges distributors, Due Risto and Aapo initiative about programing contest, and the post of Risto about Pay for your Open Source software! in his blog makes me realize than people like me with not enough time/skills to drive a moderate/high complex software project to success, can collaborate in more than just test or spread this software.Cofundos.org will help to boost any idea you have in mind and give a opportunity to earn some money to people that have this time/skills you not have, but It's even greater than this , and this is the main reason I wrote this message, we can JOIN efforts easily . We are about 25 distributors around the world with different sizes and points of view but surely we have a lot of coincidences on what software we want to be able to offer to our costumers in the Neo, and surely we receive from costumers the same kind of inputs about what they want. Surelly most of you, like me, doesn't have enough resources to hire a developer or to move enough community critical mass to fulfill some of this needs alone... I don't know what you feel about this but for me is a very frustrating situation. But now the great news, we don't have to stay alone in that situation :), initiative like cofundos can help us to share does needs and if enough resources are joined and I'm not just talking about money, each of us reach developers dificult or imposible to reach by the others for example, some of those needs can be successfully achieved. To preach with examples I have started one of those projects myself Voip on Neo Freerunner, but I'm not talking about fix Linphone to work or port ekiga, I'm talking about VoIP be supported in the core of the distributions, using FSO and integrate it on Paroli to be as easy to use like an standard gsm call, and the hole system can react to their events through dbus... pretty, isn't it? ;) . Who will not pay a couple of euros to have in his store a free phone able to do that... doing that :) Here is the link to the project http://cofundos.org/project.php?id=153 This is only an example, I ear about VoIP very often, and I know there will be users even companies interested if they can switch from GSM to wifi VoIP whatever an acces point is accesible for example. Well sure you get the point :) now let me address to my ... Dear Developers. Don't be shy :) if you have the knowledge/time to provide a solution that fulfill requirements just tell us to know if we can afford it or not, the proposed example http://cofundos.org/project.php?id=153 is not a one day job i think will be quite amount of work, so I invite development companies or groups to make offers too, taking in count the solution has to be Free software and able to go upstream. Also I invite all developers with a project in mind or even already started but pending to finish/improve by lack of founds, may be you find people interested in invest part of that money Dear colleges users , There are only about 25 distributors but we are are about thousands users, our support to those initiative we like is vital for them and now we can have the opportunity to request features with more than complains :) even an euro to demonstrate interest about a project or feature requested will help to make it real quicker than waiting for it and you will have the satisfaction to being part of the solution instead of only an spectator. Well... enough words for one post... I will be glad to receive your comments Regards -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Just hold down on the letter you want to select. You will see a round 'spy glass' thing pop up with your letter. This is all well and good, but it's for all intents and purposes totally useless in practical application - typing anything remotely long or complex (examples: My mail server address, somebody's surname, a phone number, an email address, a street/suburb name, GPS coordinates) takes an *inordinate* amount of time - just try typing out your postal address using that method - you'll soon find that you're developing a powerful urge to stab yourself in the eyeballs with a rusty fork... ;) If typing your postal address doesn't do it, see how long it takes you to type the following (spelling is important!): yo doodz wots up? im sendin this sms cuz i cbf typin an email you ya, and cuz i wanna demo jus how goddamn awful it is to type wen it takes 3 secs for each bluddy letta. Got ne rusty forks lyin round? How long does it take you to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism' using this method? Don't forget to also include in this figure the time it takes to type antidisestablishmentarianism, only to discover that it's not in the dictionary, then delete that, then type it out letter-by-letter. For comparison, here are some figures I just worked out, using a stopwatch to time myself typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism': * My PC - Standard US 101-key IBM Model M qwerty Keyboard - 6.18 seconds * My Ipaq - HP Ipaq 6515 with built-in mini-qwerty keyboard - 12.35 Seconds * FreeRunner running QT extended, using 'predictive keyboard': 81.95 Seconds (almost a minute and a half!) I can't think of a more dramatic way to point out how slow this method is. Obviously I don't expect it to match the Ipaq, but more than 6 times slower than the Ipaq is abysmal. It shouldn't take a minute and a half to type one word. The simple and easy solution is as I noted before: the predictive text should always offer you exactly what you type - if I type pwned, I want to see pwned and owned in the word list, regardless of whether pwned is in the dictionary. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvahwFbVnQRV3OEYRAq6mAJ0To58Vc54Hru3M1ZKAn6i+xlmDtACfQ570 9m2TNlW85XJ/lAVLcLF0uLQ= =25K7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: You just need to add your words to the dictionary, so you wont have to tap so much. ...which is exactly why it should be very easy, perhaps even automatic, to add words to the dictionary... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvajUFbVnQRV3OEYRAhmqAJ40rBM2gTbrdyxIqj8rsC9KDhB3iQCeOych 9Hx4eiS4RUifG7soyrUBVIY= =1SJT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Terminal
Is the source come with the patch?? I cannot see any patches... On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi, this is patch and sources for adding terminal application to QT Extended Improved. Patch is attached, sources are here [1]. They are taken from here [2]. The tar has to be extracted to src/3rdparty/applications then apply patch and rebuild. Radek [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qterminal/qterminal.tar.gz [2] http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=tree;f=src/3rdparty/applications/qterminal;h=ae7a87fde1f1200ed0deab47b1bf6ca197f072ae;hb=tsdogs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
is there a way to disable the prediction without connect to the USB ssh??? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.netwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: You just need to add your words to the dictionary, so you wont have to tap so much. ...which is exactly why it should be very easy, perhaps even automatic, to add words to the dictionary... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvajUFbVnQRV3OEYRAhmqAJ40rBM2gTbrdyxIqj8rsC9KDhB3iQCeOych 9Hx4eiS4RUifG7soyrUBVIY= =1SJT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Terminal
See your patch on your server...hehe... rebuilding.. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM, HouYu Li kara...@gmail.com wrote: Is the source come with the patch?? I cannot see any patches... On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi, this is patch and sources for adding terminal application to QT Extended Improved. Patch is attached, sources are here [1]. They are taken from here [2]. The tar has to be extracted to src/3rdparty/applications then apply patch and rebuild. Radek [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qterminal/qterminal.tar.gz [2] http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=tree;f=src/3rdparty/applications/qterminal;h=ae7a87fde1f1200ed0deab47b1bf6ca197f072ae;hb=tsdogs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Debian package for pythm Was: [debian] Packaging python apps, f.e. pythm...
as promised for those desired to run pythm on their Debian-powered FRs: http://itanix.rutgers.edu/rumba/dists/sid/perspect/binary-all/python/pythm_0.5.5+git20090315-1~pre1_all.deb path to source dsc http://itanix.rutgers.edu/rumba/dists/sid/perspect/source/python/pythm_0.5.5+git20090315-1~pre1.dsc although it is also available from git repo http://github.com/yarikoptic/pythm/tree/debian n.b. I will see if I can get this package into pkg-fso repository so there would be no need to add yet another source if you want to track mine This version is the latest Dylan had + few of my modifications + little fix for it to run on Debian + debian packaging As soon as pkg-fso Debian team ships python-edbus (primary delay is the prerequisites in the NEW queue of Debian), I will ship pythm into Debian main (unstable or experimental depending where python-edbus ends up). Cheers! ;) On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: I want to let you know that I am going to package ITP: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-d...@lists.debian.org/msg621478.html and upload pythm into Debian main (probably later on this week... preliminary packaging is already done). It will be based on Dylan's and my fork of pythm (some changes from Paul TT were already absorbed). Sources are available from https://github.com/yarikoptic/pythm and debian packaging will appear in a debian branch out there in the foreseeable future ;) -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Terminal
There will be a segmentation fault when closing the last terminal tab. What to do with it? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:30 AM, HouYu Li kara...@gmail.com wrote: See your patch on your server...hehe... rebuilding.. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM, HouYu Li kara...@gmail.com wrote: Is the source come with the patch?? I cannot see any patches... On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi, this is patch and sources for adding terminal application to QT Extended Improved. Patch is attached, sources are here [1]. They are taken from here [2]. The tar has to be extracted to src/3rdparty/applications then apply patch and rebuild. Radek [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qterminal/qterminal.tar.gz [2] http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=tree;f=src/3rdparty/applications/qterminal;h=ae7a87fde1f1200ed0deab47b1bf6ca197f072ae;hb=tsdogs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] e17 - questions
see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514018 On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Daniel Benoy wrote: I installed your packages and they worked for the keyboard problem for me :) Unfortunately I still don't see any icons on my 'home' desktop. :/ -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Typing numbers are not 'suggested'. Fine, be fastidious if you must, You know what I meant. How long did it take you to type your postal address? Now, how long does it take on your PC? Oh... you didn't test it? You didn't bother typing out the sample SMS in my email? Hmmm, Interesting... I personally do not find the delay all that troublesome. Well, that indicates to me that you're either not using it for everyday use, or that you happen to be a lucky person who's typing dictionary words, or, more likely, that as the developer all the words you use commonly happen to be in the dictionary already (strange, that...) As I said, if you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard. bwahahaha, that's a funny joke. Have you ever tried actually switching to the qwerty keyboard using just your finger? for me, it usually takes at least 3-4 attempts just to bring up the list of input methods. Then there's actually attempting to type on the qwerty keyboard, which we'll get into later... This is not a very valid usecase. How many times are you going to type this into your phone in a real world situation? You're incorrect - it's a completely valid, worst-case scenario which serves very well to illustrate the inadequacy of the 'typing one letter at a time' method which you are advocating. In real-world usage, I'll concede that 'antidisestablishmentarianism' isn't used often, but long words which aren't in the dictionary are not at all uncommon, especially given long words combined with sms-speak spelling. How would you suggest a biologist or chemist use this input method to talk about his work? If you're trying to tell me that the biologist needs to put a biologist's dictionary on his phone before he can use it, I'll laugh my ass off, and I'll tell you exactly how utterly ludicrous that Idea really is. As a software developer, I'm *very* interested in worst-case scenarios, as they work very well to find all these little inefficiencies - if I can make my software usable in a worst case scenario, it's going to be absolutely brilliant for average, everyday use. I test (and sometimes write) all my software on low-powered machines for this reason If you're not interested in actually making your software robust and useful, maybe you should apply for a job at Microsoft. For a fact, though, this took me exactly as much time to tap it out, without having to use the press down method ~10 seconds. Care to clarify on that? to me, this statement makes no sense. If you're saying that you just typed in 'antidisestablishmentarianism' and it was suggested and you were able to choose it because it had no idea what you were typing and showed you what you typed, then you're doing it wrong, and your test is invalid. For it to be a valid test, you need to do the following: 1. *quickly* Type 'antidisestablishmentarianism', as if you're expecting it to be in the dictionary. (Type quickly, and ignore precision, assuming the dictionary will still suggest the correct word even if you accidentally hit a couple of letters wrong). (i.e: If I'm typing 'owned' in an SMS, I don't concern myself if I actually accidentally type pwned, because I know the dictionary will pick up on my mistake and suggest owned. For your test to be valid, you need to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism' as if you're expecting it to be in the dictionary - i.e quickly and without precision) 2. Since you typed quickly and without precision, you'll now have something like antidiseatablishmentaroanusm (note that my spelling wasn't precise, and I now have an incorrectly spelled word being suggested. 3. A this point, If I swipe my finger to the left (i.e: backspace) to correct the spelling mistakes, the entire word is erased, and I have to do the 'one letter at a time' bullshit. 4. Alternatively at step 3, I could have tapped on the incorrectly spelled word to have it added to the sms I'm composing, and then edited it by positioning the cursor, backspacing, fixing the mistakes, and repositioning the cursor at the end of the text. I can do that, that is, *if* the software happens to want to let me position the cursor, rather than selecting everything between where I'm trying to put the cursor and the end of the message. I haven't been able to determine exactly what factors influence whether it will let me position the cursor or select text to the end, but I think it has to do with the ambient humidity and wind speed/direction. Of course, This is all as much or more of a hassle than the 'one letter at a time' method which you advocate. Don't you dare even trying to tell me that my test is invalid, and that I need to type with precision in step 1, because if you try to tell me that, then I'll have one very simple and effective retort: What is the point of having a dictionary lookup system like the one in QTe unless it's to figure out what you were trying to type, and correct your mistakes?
Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team
Hey, Mirko, I'm sorry if I came across overly frustrated or harsh. I'm really excited about Paroli. I've read the startup.pdf and I check the website regularly for updates. I just want to know more. Maybe there's some notes from a meeting, plans, brainstorm notes or something that's not on the site? I don't know, and I realize it's probably not up to you. But for me as a novice developer who's trying to learn, the more I can read the better. So yeah, one day you might get patches from me. First I'm just trying to learn this stuff, and my feedback to the company is that more info (about Paroli in particular) would be appreciated. Forgive my lack of patience, Jeremy On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Mirko Lindner mi...@openmoko.com wrote: Hej, I tried to stay out of this thread as the discussion drifted away from paroli towards general discussion about OM's behavior, which is not controlled by me, but it seems to me that here 2 things are mixed that simply are unrelated and I am being judged based on a conversation log(!) and deemed unfriendly and what not. Jeremy McNaughton wrote: I've got to agree that some more communication about Paroli would be a good thing. Ok, valid point. After all, what was the point of selling the phones so early in the development cycle in the first place? Right on the main page of the wiki it says: Openmoko is a project driven by a community of passionate and intelligent volunteers. If you have the ability, please contribute to our cause. Openmoko's ambitions far exceed the resources available. What does that have to do with paroli? It can't be both ways. If Openmoko wants the community to help and/or develop for projects like Paroli, they need to be responsive when their volunteers ask for more information. If I get asked about info regarding paroli, its code or what we are trying to achieve I am all in. But in this case I was not asked about any specifics but Paul asked about the hidden department which controls all of OM and I found his question demeaning and out of place, let alone his wording. With Paroli in particular I can't see it being such a big deal to size the window so it can be used with Illume. At least for right now, until more time can be dedicated to whatever mysterious way we'll eventually use to switch back and forth can be implemented. Sorry to be a bit rough here, but:Have you looked at the code? Do you know what actually is the problem? If so why don't you simply send a patch? Or ask for commit rights? What bugs me here is that I am being pushed around for a) things that are not related to paroli and b) based on your assumptions. And while I don't know anything about the previous conversations between Mirko and Paul, I really hope that I never get dealt with that way by anyone with an openmoko.com email account. Nobody's perfect and I don't want to single Mirko out, but the conversation in the above IRC logs are less than stellar. Not a great way to deal with volunteers whose effort you're hoping to benefit from, especially when those volunteers are also paying customers. Paul and I have a short but drastic history of communication and I can assure you that is not my normal tone. I am not a fan of people going around a blaming so if that happens I either don't respond or become defensive, I think that is normal behavior. In regards to the anyone with an openmoko.com email account I believe that the underpinning idea, which is we have to always suck up what ever we get thrown at us and smile, nod and be happy about it, is simply wrong. This is a community project and volunteers whose effort I am [you're] hoping to benefit from of course are not met with disrespect and rudeness. I spend much time talking and chatting to explain how stuff works and why we do it. And so far you are the first person to suggest I am rude, from a secondary source. I am willing to put up with a lot because I know of the companies history and all that and I have done so. However there is a point when I simply have to say, Ok, suffered enough, now I think demanding fair treatment both ways is what is needed. So to put it very simple, the way a question is asked determines the way I answer. If I feel mistreated I will certainly not play happy, because I am doing my best to drive this forward and and also spend my free time on this project (yes I work much more than my official hours) so I do not see why I should not react as anyone else would. In general however I think Openmoko is starting to do better with communication, Paroli being a notable exception. Again I think you are going over the top and put negative energy that you have towards the company as a whole towards a single project that happens to come your way. Sorry to be so blunt but I see this mail as an attack on the work I have done so far and this attack is founded on false-grounds. I agree with one point I could
Re: qt extended stops receiving sms
On Sunday 15 March 2009, Chris Samuel wrote: On Sunday 15 March 2009, Glen Ogilvie wrote: I've been having a problem with QT Extended not receiving txt messages. Which version is this ? 4.4.3 build by lihouyo on March 3, 2009. I then applied the echo fix to it. Running of SD. Glen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:48 +1100, Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Typing numbers are not 'suggested'. ... As I said, if you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard. bwahahaha, that's a funny joke. Have you ever tried actually switching Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top of default and numbers. No dictionary, and terminal pops up nicely instead of those brain dead ones - you wont miss them, I dont. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 W.Kenworthy wrote: Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top of default and numbers. No dictionary, and terminal pops up nicely instead of those brain dead ones - you wont miss them, I dont. Thanks for the suggestion Bill, but we're actually talking about QT Extended, not 2008.X - we don't have those keyboards you're talking about. FYI, QTe has: * A (totally, utterly, completely useless) handwriting recognition method. * A (almost completely useless, unless you happen to have a needle, 10 minutes, and are completely still - keys are so tiny I struggle with a stylus) full qwerty terminal keyboard. * A (not quite completely useless, but working towards it, as per our discussion) 'predictive' keyboard, which the 2008.X one was obviously based on at some point. So, in QTe your input choices are SSH, complete shit, utter shit, or just shit. It's kinda like having to choose between death by disemboweling or death by dismemberment. - -D -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvd/LFbVnQRV3OEYRAoUWAJ9E0Y9M57YP1FDFjjBnUOmONVQ8HQCeJkMw Uwe9YPuzAnXDk2XovTkDzhE= =I+pE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 16:12 +1100, Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 W.Kenworthy wrote: Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top ... It's kinda like having to choose between death by disemboweling or death by dismemberment. Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that works. Never been able to run qt - always tried it on the SD card, which in hindsight, needed a slow clock. Wasn't game to flash it as I needed a phone and if it didnt work on SD ... I am finding shr much more usable than the others at the moment - but even it does have its quirks if you want to use it everyday. Billk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Typing numbers are not 'suggested'. Fine, be fastidious if you must, You know what I meant. How long did it take you to type your postal address? Now, how long does it take on your PC? Oh... you didn't test it? You didn't bother typing out the sample SMS in my email? Hmmm, Interesting... Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times. I personally do not find the delay all that troublesome. Well, that indicates to me that you're either not using it for everyday use, or that you happen to be a lucky person who's typing dictionary words, or, more likely, that as the developer all the words you use commonly happen to be in the dictionary already (strange, that...) As I said, if you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard. bwahahaha, that's a funny joke. Have you ever tried actually switching to the qwerty keyboard using just your finger? for me, it usually takes at least 3-4 attempts just to bring up the list of input methods. Then there's actually attempting to type on the qwerty keyboard, which we'll get into later... umm, yes. I can access the menu just fine with my finger. Options - Change Input Method. This is not a very valid usecase. How many times are you going to type this into your phone in a real world situation? You're incorrect - it's a completely valid, worst-case scenario which serves very well to illustrate the inadequacy of the 'typing one letter at a time' method which you are advocating. In real-world usage, I'll concede that 'antidisestablishmentarianism' isn't used often, but long words which aren't in the dictionary are not at all uncommon, especially given long words combined with sms-speak spelling. How would you suggest a biologist or chemist use this input method to talk about his work? A use case is usually something that is very often used and repeatable for any user. Typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is hardly typical. If you're trying to tell me that the biologist needs to put a biologist's dictionary on his phone before he can use it, I'll laugh my ass off, and I'll tell you exactly how utterly ludicrous that Idea really is. No, but he will need to add those words to the common dictionary before they will show up in the list of words. To enter a word in the dictionary - simply press and hold the letters method. As a software developer, I'm *very* interested in worst-case scenarios, as they work very well to find all these little inefficiencies - if I can make my software usable in a worst case scenario, it's going to be absolutely brilliant for average, everyday use. I test (and sometimes write) all my software on low-powered machines for this reason There are too many niche scenarios to target, so we targeted common, most used ones. If you're not interested in actually making your software robust and useful, maybe you should apply for a job at Microsoft. ... For a fact, though, this took me exactly as much time to tap it out, without having to use the press down method ~10 seconds. Care to clarify on that? to me, this statement makes no sense. Using the 'predictive keyboard', it took me 10 seconds to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism'. If you're saying that you just typed in 'antidisestablishmentarianism' and it was suggested and you were able to choose it because it had no idea what you were typing and showed you what you typed, then you're doing it wrong, and your test is invalid. No, it was not a suggested word, as it was longer than any suggestions it could find, so it just took the letters I was typing in. For it to be a valid test, you need to do the following: 1. *quickly* Type 'antidisestablishmentarianism', as if you're expecting it to be in the dictionary. (Type quickly, and ignore precision, assuming the dictionary will still suggest the correct word even if you accidentally hit a couple of letters wrong). I did. its not in the dictionary. see my statement above. (i.e: If I'm typing 'owned' in an SMS, I don't concern myself if I actually accidentally type pwned, because I know the dictionary will pick up on my mistake and suggest owned. For your test to be valid, you need to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism' as if you're expecting it to be in the dictionary - i.e quickly and without precision) 2. Since you typed quickly and without precision, you'll now have something like antidiseatablishmentaroanusm (note that my spelling wasn't precise, and I now have an incorrectly spelled word being suggested. 3. A this point, If I swipe my finger to the left (i.e: backspace) to correct the spelling mistakes, the entire word is erased, and I have to do the 'one letter at a time' bullshit. 4. Alternatively at step 3, I could have tapped on the incorrectly spelled word to have
Re: [QtExtended] some things
W.Kenworthy wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 16:12 +1100, Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 W.Kenworthy wrote: Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top ... It's kinda like having to choose between death by disemboweling or death by dismemberment. Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that works. Well, obviously that is only his one opinion. Never been able to run qt - always tried it on the SD card, which in hindsight, needed a slow clock. Wasn't game to flash it as I needed a phone and if it didnt work on SD ... actually, Qtopia is by far the best and most usable phone software for the Neo. I am finding shr much more usable than the others at the moment - but even it does have its quirks if you want to use it everyday. -- Lorn Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software R D, Nokia Pty Ltd. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
