Re: Fennec Beta 1 Released
Out of curiosity, what part of the build process is giving you trouble? It boils down to this: -Pull the code hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central cd mozilla-central hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser mobile -Create configuration file (an example is provided, just copy and paste) -Build make -f client.mk build Daniel Benoy wrote: Looks like the hell on drugs according to their wiki. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Fennec-Beta-1-Released-tp2499202p2507607.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec Beta 1 Released
You're oversimplifying a bit. You're forgetting https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q3 Rui On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 01:05:45AM -0700, blassey wrote: Out of curiosity, what part of the build process is giving you trouble? It boils down to this: -Pull the code hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central cd mozilla-central hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser mobile -Create configuration file (an example is provided, just copy and paste) -Build make -f client.mk build Daniel Benoy wrote: Looks like the hell on drugs according to their wiki. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec -- Pzat! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 6th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger Friendly chess program
2009/3/19 Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org Francesco de Virgilio wrote: Ed Kapitein ha scritto: Hi Leonti, Try installing font-adobe-75dpi http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/font-adobe-75dpi_1.0.0-r0_all.opk (opkg install font-adobe-75dpi http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/font-adobe-75dpi_1.0.0-r0_all.opk ) it works for me on om2008.12 Kind regards, Ed Has anyone tried this on SHR-testing? I get something like this: http://pastebin.com/m606efc0f Perhaps you need to install those too? opkg list_installed | egrep font-adobe-75dpi|encodings|font-util|font-alias I have noone of them installed on SHR-testing, but they're not on SHR repos. encodings - 1:1.0.2-r0 - font-adobe-75dpi - 1:1.0.0-r0 - font-alias - 1:1.0.1-r0 - font-util - 1:1.0.1-r1 - I've tried to get them installed from OM repos, but it generates lots of errors and, most important, a dependency _hell_. So, anyone, has managed to get this workig simply on SHR-testing? Kind regards, Ed Regards, Francesco ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
On every openmoko distro like fso or shr the user is root with home /home/root/ those are iirc all oe based -- debian is an om distro too, and it does not use /home/root/ but /root/. gentoo does so to iirc. /tmp is a bad idea because its only tmpfs and deleted everytime it boots up. and that's worse than silent failing? but an other dir would be better, yes sure, but which directory is available everwhere and can be presumed to be r/w to the every user? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
The draft of 14th community updates
Dear List : Sorry for the delay, as Brenda is not around, I am subsituting for tomorrow's community news release. A draft can be found here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Community_Updates/March_20%2C_2009 Please feel free to add/edit events to the page. We do need help on updating the distributions section, if anyone can come around to doing that, it would be appreciated. The 14th community updates will be released tomorrow, March 20th. Thanks and Best Regards, Will ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
arne anka schrieb: Cellhunter tries to read out your $HOME variable. when NOT set it goes to /home/root (line 536) that seems to be a very strange fallback - where is root's home below /home/? so far i've seen it in oe only - why is the user root assumed? On every openmoko distro like fso or shr the user is root with home /home/root/ normally $home should be set. I think other programs will have problems too without this. /tmp is a bad idea because its only tmpfs and deleted everytime it boots up. but an other dir would be better, yes Sebastian a sane fallback would be /tmp, which usually exists everwhere and is r/w for everyone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
Tony Berth schrieb: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de mailto:list-openm...@omoco.de wrote: try to start it from the commandline with parameter -d cellhunter.py -d perhaps this will tell you more. Sebastian I did re-start the phone but still 'cellhunter' doesn't create a log file. Here is the outcome when running from command line: --- __init__ __init__ / checking for homedir __init__ / found homedir = /home/root __init__ / init config __init__ / init wget file __init__ / init dbus __init__ / init gtk main window main offline_mode offline_mode / offline=True check_cellid_auto check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 4 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 4 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid_auto / auto=1 check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 7 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D45 3 860 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 6 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 6 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D45 3 860 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 5 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 2 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms delete_event gui_destroy gui_destroy / sending AT+CREG=0\r\n gui_destroy / kill all old wgets - what does echo $HOME tell you? is /home/root/ accessable? Sebastian Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
arne anka schrieb: On every openmoko distro like fso or shr the user is root with home /home/root/ those are iirc all oe based -- debian is an om distro too, and it does not use /home/root/ but /root/. gentoo does so to iirc. /tmp is a bad idea because its only tmpfs and deleted everytime it boots up. and that's worse than silent failing? no, shurely not but an other dir would be better, yes sure, but which directory is available everwhere and can be presumed to be r/w to the every user? that was my problem when hacking together that code :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Data call (aka CSD) with QtExtended
Hi all, Is there any guru success in making a data call (over CSD) with QtExtended 4.4 ? I follow the sample code in qt-extended doc but no success yet. Thanks, TAT ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
2009/3/20 Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de Tony Berth schrieb: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de wrote: try to start it from the commandline with parameter -d cellhunter.py -d perhaps this will tell you more. Sebastian I did re-start the phone but still 'cellhunter' doesn't create a log file. Here is the outcome when running from command line: --- __init__ __init__ / checking for homedir __init__ / found homedir = /home/root __init__ / init config __init__ / init wget file __init__ / init dbus __init__ / init gtk main window main offline_mode offline_mode / offline=True check_cellid_auto check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 4 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 4 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid_auto / auto=1 check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 7 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D45 3 860 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 6 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 6 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D45 3 860 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 5 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 2 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms delete_event gui_destroy gui_destroy / sending AT+CREG=0\r\n gui_destroy / kill all old wgets - what does echo $HOME tell you? is /home/root/ accessable? Sebastian Thanks Tony yes indeed. 'echo $HOME' gives me 'home/root' and I can rwd anything there! Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
Tony Berth schrieb: 2009/3/20 Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de mailto:list-openm...@omoco.de Tony Berth schrieb: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de mailto:list-openm...@omoco.de wrote: try to start it from the commandline with parameter -d cellhunter.py -d perhaps this will tell you more. Sebastian I did re-start the phone but still 'cellhunter' doesn't create a log file. Here is the outcome when running from command line: --- __init__ __init__ / checking for homedir __init__ / found homedir = /home/root __init__ / init config __init__ / init wget file __init__ / init dbus __init__ / init gtk main window main offline_mode offline_mode / offline=True check_cellid_auto check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 4 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 4 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid_auto / auto=1 check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 7 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D45 3 860 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 6 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 6 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D45 3 860 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 5 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 2 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms delete_event gui_destroy gui_destroy / sending AT+CREG=0\r\n gui_destroy / kill all old wgets - what does echo $HOME tell you? is /home/root/ accessable? Sebastian Thanks Tony yes indeed. 'echo $HOME' gives me 'home/root' and I can rwd anything there! Thanks Tony argl, got it now. could it be that auto submit is turned off? auto check only checks the cells but does not transmit them. only when transmitting the data is beeing sent / stored in offline file. you have to push: offline mode - auto submit - auto check more info at the manual at http://cellhunter.omoco.de Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
2009/3/20 Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de Tony Berth schrieb: 2009/3/20 Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de Tony Berth schrieb: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de wrote: try to start it from the commandline with parameter -d cellhunter.py -d perhaps this will tell you more. Sebastian I did re-start the phone but still 'cellhunter' doesn't create a log file. Here is the outcome when running from command line: --- __init__ __init__ / checking for homedir __init__ / found homedir = /home/root __init__ / init config __init__ / init wget file __init__ / init dbus __init__ / init gtk main window main offline_mode offline_mode / offline=True check_cellid_auto check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 4 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 4 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid_auto / auto=1 check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 7 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D45 3 860 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 6 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 6 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D45 3 860 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 5 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 2 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms delete_event gui_destroy gui_destroy / sending AT+CREG=0\r\n gui_destroy / kill all old wgets - what does echo $HOME tell you? is /home/root/ accessable? Sebastian Thanks Tony yes indeed. 'echo $HOME' gives me 'home/root' and I can rwd anything there! Thanks Tony argl, got it now. could it be that auto submit is turned off? auto check only checks the cells but does not transmit them. only when transmitting the data is beeing sent / stored in offline file. you have to push: offline mode - auto submit - auto check more info at the manual at http://cellhunter.omoco.de Sebastian Bingo! :) Yep, that did the trick! Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Multitouch on FR ... imho should be possible to mimic
Stefan Monnier wrote: FWIW, there's another source of info that might be used: jitter. When you have two fingers pressed, not only the reported position is more-or-less the middle point, but it's also jittery. So you could detect such jitter as a tell-tale of multitouch and then use the jitter itself (orientation and magnitude) as an indicator of the actual position of the fingers. Whether it would be sufficiently reliable to be used, I don't know. Unfortunately, the jitter has many interpretations. * The user is moving the fingers apart * The user is moving the fingers together * The user holds the finger still, but pressure varies You may be able to get a decent multitouch with one limitation - the first finger stay still. With that limitation, the first finger establish some base point (the point to rotate around, or the point that stand still when something is resized.) When the second finger comes down it does all the movement, and its location is at any time twice as far out from the base as the midpoint the FR actually register. Well, perhaps a bit less than twice as far out, as pressure probably is higher for the stationary finger. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
Cellhunter tries to read out your $HOME variable. when NOT set it goes to /home/root (line 536) that seems to be a very strange fallback - where is root's home below /home/? so far i've seen it in oe only - why is the user root assumed? a sane fallback would be /tmp, which usually exists everwhere and is r/w for everyone. No, a sane fallback would be to signal an error and exit. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Voicenote - If someone wants to keep it alive...
Hi Rask Thanks for your comment. I will take it into account if I release a new version. But this has a low probability to happen I would like to tell the community I won't have time to go further on this small project. So: * I won't participate in the contest for the best voice recorder tool. * I won't maintain it So if someone, or a group of people, wants to improve it / participate to the contest / merge the project with another, etc., this would be good : Feel free to download the sources : http://kimaidou.kilu.de/openmoko/voicenote/voicenote_0.4_source.tar.gz and modifify the wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote cheers Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec Beta 1 Released
Rui, Those instructions are for setting up a Maemo development environment, which wouldn't be applicable to someone trying to build for Openmoko. -Brad On 3/20/2009 4:50 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: You're oversimplifying a bit. You're forgetting https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q3 Rui On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 01:05:45AM -0700, blassey wrote: Out of curiosity, what part of the build process is giving you trouble? It boils down to this: -Pull the code hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central cd mozilla-central hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser mobile -Create configuration file (an example is provided, just copy and paste) -Build make -f client.mk build Daniel Benoy wrote: Looks like the hell on drugs according to their wiki. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
No, a sane fallback would be to signal an error and exit. that's no fallback -- that's an exit strategy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec Beta 1 Released
To incentive a little more the awesome work you are doing porting Fennec, there is a cofundos.org bounty for this once a opkg package is reached http://openmoko.cofundos.org/project.php?id=156 2009/3/20 Brad Lassey las...@alum.mit.edu: Rui, Those instructions are for setting up a Maemo development environment, which wouldn't be applicable to someone trying to build for Openmoko. -Brad On 3/20/2009 4:50 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: You're oversimplifying a bit. You're forgetting https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q3 Rui On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 01:05:45AM -0700, blassey wrote: Out of curiosity, what part of the build process is giving you trouble? It boils down to this: -Pull the code hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central cd mozilla-central hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser mobile -Create configuration file (an example is provided, just copy and paste) -Build make -f client.mk build Daniel Benoy wrote: Looks like the hell on drugs according to their wiki. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec Beta 1 Released
Really? Because it says If you want to cross-compile Fennec and XULRunner for ARM devices, you should first set up scratchbox. r...@om-gta02:~# grep Processor /proc/cpuinfo Processor : ARM920T rev 0 (v4l) Rui On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 09:29:11AM -0400, Brad Lassey wrote: Rui, Those instructions are for setting up a Maemo development environment, which wouldn't be applicable to someone trying to build for Openmoko. -Brad On 3/20/2009 4:50 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: You're oversimplifying a bit. You're forgetting https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q3 Rui On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 01:05:45AM -0700, blassey wrote: Out of curiosity, what part of the build process is giving you trouble? It boils down to this: -Pull the code hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central cd mozilla-central hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser mobile -Create configuration file (an example is provided, just copy and paste) -Build make -f client.mk build Daniel Benoy wrote: Looks like the hell on drugs according to their wiki. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Kallisti! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 6th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Buzz Issues - Last Questions, I promise
All, First thing I want to apologise for crossposting, I tried popsting this in the hardware section, then realised I was not a subscriber to that mailing list. Maybe that post will not go through, in which case it won't matter. Here we go. Speaking as a fanboy of the Freerunner and everything Openmoko does I can't help but be disheartened by the fact that the noise on my Neo is still preventing me from using it as a phone. Lately I've hardly used it at all, because it kind of feels like it will never be fixed and I get depressed when I look at it. Seeing as I have been offline for a bit regarding the freerunner I may have missed any new information about the fix, so in case I've got it all wrong please point me in the right direction. I've had it for more than half a year now, and the progress made on so many levels is great. I love the freedom and all the different distros. So two questions: 1. Will there ever be an official fix from Openmoko/Truebox/WhicheverSupplierYouBoughtItFrom. By fix I don't mean just instructions on how to do-it-yourself, but a route for non-soldering users to get the fix applied. If not, just say so, I don't want to wait and hope if there will be no change. 2. Has anyone in London applied this fix succesfully? I'd be willing to pay to get this sorted. I feel like one of those moaning idiots on the mailing lists that I usually hate, but I just need this clarified. ezuall -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Buzz-Issues---Last-Questions%2C-I-promise-tp2509041p2509041.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec Beta 1 Released
Now I know nothing about anything, and I've only just read this part of the thread - but could it not be that the cross compiler and tools setup by MokoMakefile are used instead when building for the NEO? - Gunnar Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Really? Because it says If you want to cross-compile Fennec and XULRunner for ARM devices, you should first set up scratchbox. r...@om-gta02:~# grep Processor /proc/cpuinfo Processor : ARM920T rev 0 (v4l) Rui On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 09:29:11AM -0400, Brad Lassey wrote: Rui, Those instructions are for setting up a Maemo development environment, which wouldn't be applicable to someone trying to build for Openmoko. -Brad On 3/20/2009 4:50 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: You're oversimplifying a bit. You're forgetting https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q3 Rui On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 01:05:45AM -0700, blassey wrote: Out of curiosity, what part of the build process is giving you trouble? It boils down to this: -Pull the code hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central cd mozilla-central hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser mobile -Create configuration file (an example is provided, just copy and paste) -Build make -f client.mk build Daniel Benoy wrote: Looks like the hell on drugs according to their wiki. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec Beta 1 Released
Yes, I suppose that would be a bit of a misprint, which I have corrected to read If you want to cross-compile Fennec and XULRunner for Maemo, you should first set up scratchbox https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q3. The mozilla build process handles gcc style cross compiles out of the box. -Brad On 3/20/2009 10:04 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Really? Because it says If you want to cross-compile Fennec and XULRunner for ARM devices, you should first set up scratchbox. r...@om-gta02:~# grep Processor /proc/cpuinfo Processor : ARM920T rev 0 (v4l) Rui On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 09:29:11AM -0400, Brad Lassey wrote: Rui, Those instructions are for setting up a Maemo development environment, which wouldn't be applicable to someone trying to build for Openmoko. -Brad On 3/20/2009 4:50 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: You're oversimplifying a bit. You're forgetting https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q3 Rui On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 01:05:45AM -0700, blassey wrote: Out of curiosity, what part of the build process is giving you trouble? It boils down to this: -Pull the code hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central cd mozilla-central hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser mobile -Create configuration file (an example is provided, just copy and paste) -Build make -f client.mk build Daniel Benoy wrote: Looks like the hell on drugs according to their wiki. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko toolchain error
Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10 and I followed the instructions at - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Everything works fine up till the 'Building the sample application segment'. I tried to run as root as well but I was unable to build it. The log is attached for both attempts. Thanks in advance Rakshat make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/home/username/openmoko-sample2' Making all in src make[2]: Entering directory `/home/username/openmoko-sample2/src' /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link ccache arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t -std=gnu99 -Wall -pedantic -std=c99 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/libmokoui2 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -isystem/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -Os -L/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib -Wl,-rpath-link,/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib -Wl,-O1 -o openmoko-sample sample-main.o -lmokoui2 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lcairo -lgmodule-2.0 -lgconf-2 -ldbus-glib-1 -ldbus-1 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 ../libtool: line 807: X--tag=CC: command not found ../libtool: line 840: libtool: ignoring unknown tag : command not found ../libtool: line 807: X--mode=link: command not found ../libtool: line 957: *** Warning: inferring the mode of operation is deprecated.: command not found ../libtool: line 958: *** Future versions of Libtool will require -mode=MODE be specified.: command not found ../libtool: line 2245: Xarm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: command not found ../libtool: line 1944: X-march=armv4t: command not found ../libtool: line 1944: X-mtune=arm920t: command not found ../libtool: line 2111: X-std=gnu99: command not found ../libtool: line 2111: X-Wall: command not found ../libtool: line 2111: X-pedantic: command not found ../libtool: line 2111: X-std=c99: command not found ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/libmokoui2: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/gtk-2.0: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/atk-1.0: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/cairo: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/pango-1.0: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/glib-2.0: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/freetype2: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/libpng12: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/pixman-1: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/gconf/2: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/dbus-1.0: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-I/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-isystem/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 2111: X-fexpensive-optimizations: command not found ../libtool: line 2111: X-fomit-frame-pointer: command not found ../libtool: line 2111: X-frename-registers: command
Bluetooth headsets to the resque (was: Re: Buzz Issues - Last Questions, I promise)
ezuall ezu...@gmail.com writes: Speaking as a fanboy of the Freerunner and everything Openmoko does LOL, is it meant to be ironic? So two questions: Sorry, i can't answer to any of these questions, but i want to notify you and other community members that support for bluetooth headsets in FSO is coming and it will have neither buzz nor echo issues. But please, do developers a favour: if you're not ready to use versions from git, use not exactly documented bluez4 interfaces, etc, wait for the official instructions. Otherwise, join IRC and have fun exploring new bluez lands. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data call (aka CSD) with QtExtended
Tuan TRINH wrote: Hi all, Is there any guru success in making a data call (over CSD) with QtExtended 4.4 ? I follow the sample code in qt-extended doc but no success yet. Thanks, TAT ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Tat, I am also looking for a way to make data calls, do you know of any other method of making a data call with the FR? ( direct AT commands to the modem etc) Someone in the irc channel pointed that it was impossible, because the FR lacks a modem All pointers are welcome! Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR/FSO] - GPS - no fix, ogpsd.pickle question
I've flashed to shr-testing a few days ago, and *never* managed to get a fix since. I've noticed the following line in the log, when starting tangoGPS for example : Mar 20 16:22:53 om-gta02 user.debug kernel: [63639.39] rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x000c Happens when opening and closing the app, so i guess it's when the GPS is started/stopped. Nothing else in my log. Has someone ever faced this issue? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-SHR-FSOGPS---no-fix%2C-ogpsd.pickle-question-tp2384123p2509470.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linphone not available?
On Friday 20 March 2009, yacine wrote: Al Johnson wrote: On Thursday 19 March 2009, yacine wrote: bytestore wrote: open in browser http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t This Account Has Been Suspended Please contact the support department as soon as possible, and please have your site name ready. Any other place to download the ipk for linphone? I have some somewhere, but I won't be able to track them down and upload them before tomorrow. I think I should have 1.6 for 2007.2 and 2.2 for FSO. I want to check out the new 3.1.0 release as it has a daemon mode that may make external control easier. That would be great! When you mentioned the new release do you mean you're going to port the original client to OM? http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ I think I got all the deps that aren't in the main repos, but may have missed some. Looks like faulty memory about the 2.x version - these 1.6 but includes the patch to allow external control by yeaphone etc. There is no gui IIRC, so you'll be using linphonec. The binaries can be built by following the standard SHR build instructions, then: cd shr-testing . setup-env bitbake linphone As for the new version, I want to try it first. The daemon mode was mentioned in the release email, but I haven't seen exactly what it does. If it looks nice I'll try to make a bitbake recipe, but it'll be my first for an app. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Issues - Last Questions, I promise
snip 1. Will there ever be an official fix from Openmoko/Truebox/WhicheverSupplierYouBoughtItFrom. By fix I don't mean just instructions on how to do-it-yourself, but a route for non-soldering users to get the fix applied. If not, just say so, I don't want to wait and hope if there will be no change. something is changing ;) look at the links attached http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-March/043971.html http://www.openmoko-spain.org/tiki-view_blog_post.php?blogId=1postId=7 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR/FSO] - GPS - no fix, ogpsd.pickle question
On Freitag 20 März 2009 16:26:53 KaZeR wrote: I've flashed to shr-testing a few days ago, and *never* managed to get a fix since. I've noticed the following line in the log, when starting tangoGPS for example : Mar 20 16:22:53 om-gta02 user.debug kernel: [63639.39] rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x000c Happens when opening and closing the app, so i guess it's when the GPS is started/stopped. Nothing else in my log. Has someone ever faced this issue? i havn't also any fix with the TESTING-shr.. with UNSTABLE-shr (13. march) it work's good.. i had the same expirience with the phone of a friend (i'm his supporter :p ) i didn't check the log for failures.. so don't know if it's the same.. which log does you check? greets ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Issues - Last Questions, I promise
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 5:48 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 1. Will there ever be an official fix from Openmoko/Truebox/WhicheverSupplierYouBoughtItFrom. By fix I don't mean just instructions on how to do-it-yourself, but a route for non-soldering users to get the fix applied. If not, just say so, I don't want to wait and hope if there will be no change. something is changing ;) look at the links attached http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-March/043971.html http://www.openmoko-spain.org/tiki-view_blog_post.php?blogId=1postId=7 Changing..? Well yes, people get tired of waiting for the answer about this being fixed by distributors/suppliers.. Anyway, I'm happy for everyone who are able to get it fixed, I hope I'll be able to do the same in the following weeks.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec Beta 1 Released
On Friday 20 March 2009, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: You're oversimplifying a bit. You're forgetting https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q3 I just tried: bitbake fennec This does a checkout from hg but it fails during configure. It looks like it's trying to use autoconf2.13 for some reason. This version isn't on my build machine, or in OE, so perhaps it's hardcoded to use it? I haven't dug any deeper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR/FSO] - GPS - no fix, ogpsd.pickle question
i also didn't get fixes with shr-testing it used to work fine it also still works with openmok-agpsui, but not with tangogps also waited long, and removed that pickle On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Vinzenz Hersche hers...@puzzle.ch wrote: On Freitag 20 März 2009 16:26:53 KaZeR wrote: I've flashed to shr-testing a few days ago, and *never* managed to get a fix since. I've noticed the following line in the log, when starting tangoGPS for example : Mar 20 16:22:53 om-gta02 user.debug kernel: [63639.39] rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x000c Happens when opening and closing the app, so i guess it's when the GPS is started/stopped. Nothing else in my log. Has someone ever faced this issue? i havn't also any fix with the TESTING-shr.. with UNSTABLE-shr (13. march) it work's good.. i had the same expirience with the phone of a friend (i'm his supporter :p ) i didn't check the log for failures.. so don't know if it's the same.. which log does you check? greets ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec Beta 1 Released
Al, Personally, I have never used bitbake, so I'm not sure what that is doing exactly. As for the autoconf question, mozilla requires autoconf2.13. You can specify the path to your autoconf2.13 either by exporting AUTOCONF=path in your environment or by specifying AUTOCONF=path in your mozconfig. See https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Linux_Build_Prerequisites for more details. Also, if you're interested, see the FAQ for why autoconf 2.5.x doesn't work. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mozilla_Build_FAQ -Brad On 3/20/2009 12:05 PM, Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 20 March 2009, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: You're oversimplifying a bit. You're forgetting https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q3 I just tried: bitbake fennec This does a checkout from hg but it fails during configure. It looks like it's trying to use autoconf2.13 for some reason. This version isn't on my build machine, or in OE, so perhaps it's hardcoded to use it? I haven't dug any deeper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data call (aka CSD) with QtExtended
Ed Kapitein wrote: I am also looking for a way to make data calls, do you know of any other method of making a data call with the FR? ( direct AT commands to the modem etc)[...] All pointers are welcome! First you need to make sure that your GSM carrier supports CSD (mine doesn't AFAIK) and that it is activated on your account. In the past people have mentioned that the Calypso performs similarly to an Enfora Enabler modem and there is some web-accessible documentation for that. The AT+CBST (select bearer service type) command seems to be involved. There's probably some overlap between the CSD commands and the ones used for GPRS so I would also look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Issues - Last Questions, I promise
2009/3/20 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 5:48 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 1. Will there ever be an official fix from Openmoko/Truebox/WhicheverSupplierYouBoughtItFrom. By fix I don't mean just instructions on how to do-it-yourself, but a route for non-soldering users to get the fix applied. If not, just say so, I don't want to wait and hope if there will be no change. something is changing ;) look at the links attached http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-March/043971.html http://www.openmoko-spain.org/tiki-view_blog_post.php?blogId=1postId=7 Changing..? Well yes, people get tired of waiting for the answer about this being fixed by distributors/suppliers.. In spite surelly I'm the smallest one... I'm a distributor, and both initiavies are fully supported by OM , and Steve Mosher is directly involved, I know some other big distributors will add to the initative soon, and I recomend to any distributor to contact steve and start doing parties too :) Anyway, I'm happy for everyone who are able to get it fixed, I hope I'll be able to do the same in the following weeks.. I hope it too :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec Beta 1 Released
I builded Alpha 2 with bitbake some time ago. It has bugs with using autotools from host machine, but i workarounded it and it worked. Now i'm trying the same with beta 1. but alpha 2 was really slow... I'm not expecting Beta 1 to be usable on FR. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linphone not available?
Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 20 March 2009, yacine wrote: Al Johnson wrote: On Thursday 19 March 2009, yacine wrote: bytestore wrote: open in browser http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t This Account Has Been Suspended Please contact the support department as soon as possible, and please have your site name ready. Any other place to download the ipk for linphone? I have some somewhere, but I won't be able to track them down and upload them before tomorrow. I think I should have 1.6 for 2007.2 and 2.2 for FSO. I want to check out the new 3.1.0 release as it has a daemon mode that may make external control easier. That would be great! When you mentioned the new release do you mean you're going to port the original client to OM? http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ I think I got all the deps that aren't in the main repos, but may have missed some. Looks like faulty memory about the 2.x version - these 1.6 but includes the patch to allow external control by yeaphone etc. There is no gui IIRC, so you'll be using linphonec. The binaries can be built by following the standard SHR build instructions, then: cd shr-testing . setup-env bitbake linphone As for the new version, I want to try it first. The daemon mode was mentioned in the release email, but I haven't seen exactly what it does. If it looks nice I'll try to make a bitbake recipe, but it'll be my first for an app. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thank you for taking time to do this. From what you have said I guess I have to put SHR. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Linphone-not-available--tp2359208p2510130.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released
Is wifi working? no way for me! As I see there is a patch on the [1] , using this patch, there is no way to connect to wlan. Without that patch, I can connected but I cannot see any site etc. (cant get DNS?) Can you please share how did you managed to connect on wlan? Thanx in advance chris PS I am using the 16032009 binary. [1]http://trac.karadog.net HouYu Li wrote: I have tried wifi. Everything seems OK. I can visit Google and Facebook as expected. Did not check whether resolv.conf is updated properly. But I am not able to delete the created Wireless Lan profile. Haven't tried the GPRS connection. Yes. I am using fso rootfs. ... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtExtended--Qt-Extended-4.4.3-released-tp2428651p2510493.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linphone not available?
On Friday 20 March 2009, yacine wrote: Al Johnson wrote: http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ I think I got all the deps that aren't in the main repos, but may have missed some. Looks like faulty memory about the 2.x version - these 1.6 but includes the patch to allow external control by yeaphone etc. There is no gui IIRC, so you'll be using linphonec. The binaries can be built by following the standard SHR build instructions, then: cd shr-testing . setup-env bitbake linphone As for the new version, I want to try it first. The daemon mode was mentioned in the release email, but I haven't seen exactly what it does. If it looks nice I'll try to make a bitbake recipe, but it'll be my first for an app. Thank you for taking time to do this. From what you have said I guess I have to put SHR. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR It'll probably work with other OE-based distros like FSO and 2008.x too, so give it a try first unless you want to try SHR anyway. btw 3.1.0 now builds, but I've not tested it yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko toolchain error
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:02 PM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10 and I followed the instructions at - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Everything works fine up till the 'Building the sample application segment'. I tried to run as root as well but I was unable to build it. The log is attached for both attempts. Path to the toolchain is giving problems. Are you sure that openmoko toolchain is present and all the required headers and libraries are where they should be. Did the opkg-target update work? If it did work then its something else. I use the toolchains alot on Ubunut 8.10 and 8.04 and I never had such a problem although never tried the sample application :) Thanks in advance Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Shaz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released
Hi Chris, what kernel are you using ? On 2.6.28/29 (not sure about older ones) there is the usb bug (OM ticket 2254) that does not detect when usb disconnects. So once connected trough usb, the interface stays 'up', even if no longer connected, and the fr keeps trying to route packets trough it. This is causing other media (wifi, GPRS) not to work. A simple workaround is to issue an 'ifdown usb0' in a terminal. Cheers, Filip. On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:33:02 +0100, xChris ch...@c-64.mobi wrote: Is wifi working? no way for me! As I see there is a patch on the [1] , using this patch, there is no way to connect to wlan. Without that patch, I can connected but I cannot see any site etc. (cant get DNS?) Can you please share how did you managed to connect on wlan? Thanx in advance chris PS I am using the 16032009 binary. [1]http://trac.karadog.net HouYu Li wrote: I have tried wifi. Everything seems OK. I can visit Google and Facebook as expected. Did not check whether resolv.conf is updated properly. But I am not able to delete the created Wireless Lan profile. Haven't tried the GPRS connection. Yes. I am using fso rootfs. ... -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Auditing Daemon
Hi, I wanted to know which auditing daemon (like auditd on desktops) is used with OM based distributions? I hope it is common for all distros. -- Shaz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released
I am using this [1]. Do you have to suggest a better kernel? Regards Chris [1] http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/testing-om-gta02-20090120.uImage.bin FilipBE wrote: Hi Chris, what kernel are you using ? On 2.6.28/29 (not sure about older ones) there is the usb bug (OM ticket 2254) that does not detect when usb disconnects. So once connected trough usb, the interface stays 'up', even if no longer connected, and the fr keeps trying to route packets trough it. This is causing other media (wifi, GPRS) not to work. A simple workaround is to issue an 'ifdown usb0' in a terminal. Cheers, Filip. On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:33:02 +0100, xChris ch...@c-64.mobi wrote: Is wifi working? no way for me! As I see there is a patch on the [1] , using this patch, there is no way to connect to wlan. Without that patch, I can connected but I cannot see any site etc. (cant get DNS?) Can you please share how did you managed to connect on wlan? Thanx in advance chris PS I am using the 16032009 binary. [1]http://trac.karadog.net HouYu Li wrote: I have tried wifi. Everything seems OK. I can visit Google and Facebook as expected. Did not check whether resolv.conf is updated properly. But I am not able to delete the created Wireless Lan profile. Haven't tried the GPRS connection. Yes. I am using fso rootfs. ... -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtExtended--Qt-Extended-4.4.3-released-tp2428651p2511022.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Request for Feedback - SATAN
Hi folkz! I just wanted to request user feedback for my app SATAN, if there are _any_ users out there.. I know some people have at least tried, and hopefully all have succeeded, to install and start the application.. But I want to know; have anyone succeeded making some noise with it? What are your thoughts? Do you want any specific improvements or changes? Best regards, Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for Feedback - SATAN
Anton Persson escribió: Hi folkz! I just wanted to request user feedback for my app SATAN, if there are _any_ users out there.. I know some people have at least tried, and hopefully all have succeeded, to install and start the application.. But I want to know; have anyone succeeded making some noise with it? What are your thoughts? Do you want any specific improvements or changes? Best regards, Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Well I am not a user (yet), however, I certainly love the name. Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for Feedback - SATAN
I've installed it just fine a few times, but could never get it to run (SHR Testing and Unstable) On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Anton Persson wrote: Hi folkz! I just wanted to request user feedback for my app SATAN, if there are _any_ users out there.. I know some people have at least tried, and hopefully all have succeeded, to install and start the application.. But I want to know; have anyone succeeded making some noise with it? What are your thoughts? Do you want any specific improvements or changes? Best regards, Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for Feedback - SATAN
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Anton Persson don.juan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folkz! I just wanted to request user feedback for my app SATAN, if there are _any_ users out there.. I know some people have at least tried, and hopefully all have succeeded, to install and start the application.. But I want to know; have anyone succeeded making some noise with it? What are your thoughts? Do you want any specific improvements or changes? Hi there! I played with it when it was new. I was able to make some noise with it back then but now because of this request I decided to try it again to be able to tell you some experiences. 1) Rename it. Yeah, I know it's nice to provoke people etc but to me it just sounds stupid. And I know there's an acronym behind it and I know there are people who like the name but.. well, it's your choice and you must decide if you figure out if it makes people use the app more or less. Less, if you're asking me. MusicMachine or similar would a) describe the app better b) provoke less. Just my opinion. 2) Add an icon in .ipk package. I installed to 2008.12+Kustomized, no icon was shown. 3) First run I get a message that Enlightenment was not able to run 'satan -u k'.. Tried from the command line: r...@om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 satan -u k satan: error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Installing 'libltdl3' from the repositories solved this - add libltdl3 as depending package in the .ipk 4) Started the app. It's a mess.. sorry.. I'd like to be able to do something with an app when I start it with no prior knowledge of it. I know Blender might not allow me to do this but I'd like your app to do it. From the previous experiences I know that you have to load some sounds/sound fonts/something. Went to Ld/Sv -tab (read the manual the first time I used it) but - I have no idea where to try to find the sound fonts required. Maybe it should default to the dir where they're installed? This is when I closed it. No sound this time. Maybe some introduction window or something that the user can disable after reading it? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for Feedback - SATAN
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Anton Persson don.juan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folkz! I just wanted to request user feedback for my app SATAN, if there are _any_ users out there.. I know some people have at least tried, and hopefully all have succeeded, to install and start the application.. But I want to know; have anyone succeeded making some noise with it? What are your thoughts? Do you want any specific improvements or changes? Best regards, Anton Persson On my shr-testing it runs and i get some noise out of it, too. So it's fun making some sounds with it, but i must admit that i didn't had much time yet to get any deeper into it. Although it's quite awesome. Jake ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[All] Suggested IMAP client?
As per the subject, is there a suggested IMAP client for the FR? I'm using SHR-Unstable at the moment, but I figure it's a reasonable question for all distros. Kind regards, Cameron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] Suggested IMAP client?
Cameron Frazier escribió: As per the subject, is there a suggested IMAP client for the FR? I'm using SHR-Unstable at the moment, but I figure it's a reasonable question for all distros. Kind regards, Cameron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community On QtE, the integrated imap client works wonders (however, since my account has 14k mails, it slows down to a crawl) regards Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released
sorry to say the the wireless patch [1] is not only useless but worst (in my case, as it even NOT connects to wlan). I use the kernel [2] and the binary snapbuild 16032009. any ideas are welcome, regards chris [1] http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/6 [2] http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/testing-om-gta02-20090120.uImage.bin -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtExtended--Qt-Extended-4.4.3-released-tp2428651p2511416.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released
xChris escribió: sorry to say the the wireless patch [1] is not only useless but worst (in my case, as it even NOT connects to wlan). I use the kernel [2] and the binary snapbuild 16032009. any ideas are welcome, regards chris [1] http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/6 [2] http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/testing-om-gta02-20090120.uImage.bin it works great for me, but I also fixed the dns resolving issues in /etc/resolv.conf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] Suggested IMAP client?
Yes, this would be nice. In the meantime, Ive fallen back to squirrelmail on my webserver and midori to read it on the FR. Works ok, but is there a better webmail more suited to a small screen? Its also limited to only some email accounts I want to read - I cant access my work mail this way for instance. BillK On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 17:29 -0400, Cameron Frazier wrote: As per the subject, is there a suggested IMAP client for the FR? I'm using SHR-Unstable at the moment, but I figure it's a reasonable question for all distros. Kind regards, Cameron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Issues - Last Questions, I promise
@All: Thank you for the responses, I've asked similar questions with no response. @Paul: Bluetooth is one of the options I have been considering, and it's good to know that it may be just around the corner for me. @David: Thank you for the links, I did read some posts about the buzz fix party, and I love the idea. This is great news, but only if you happen to be in the right country. I appreciate openmoko's involvement, but this isn't an official fix. That being said, the fact that users are able to do the fix is one of the empowering things of Open Source Software/Hardware, and why I still don't see any better alternatives to the Freerunner out there (when it comes to open philosophy and community involvement). @Risto: I agree, I'm happy for them too, but would like to be happy for me before my Freerunner's 1 year anniversary. And finally I just want to say that I really am a supporter of Openmoko. I followed the project for more than a year before finally getting my hands on a Freerunner as soon as I was able to after the release. All the best ezuall -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Buzz-Issues---Last-Questions%2C-I-promise-tp2509041p2511603.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released
btw, I am trying to connect to a WPA network. (it worked ok with the 4.4.2 version) just I am curious if your networks that your connected are open. then.. i have no clue why it work for you and not for me... maybe my h/ware is buggy (its the GTA02v6). chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtExtended--Qt-Extended-4.4.3-released-tp2428651p2511613.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released
xChris escribió: btw, I am trying to connect to a WPA network. (it worked ok with the 4.4.2 version) just I am curious if your networks that your connected are open. then.. i have no clue why it work for you and not for me... maybe my h/ware is buggy (its the GTA02v6). chris yes, it is WPA PSK, on two different locations I have a gta02v5 maybe you failed to install the modules for your kernel (IIRC, one of the modules is crypto support, which means it is needed for WPA connections) regards Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released
Where can I get that kernel ? Thanx in advance. Chris Tom R wrote: yes, it is WPA PSK, on two different locations I have a gta02v5 maybe you failed to install the modules for your kernel (IIRC, one of the modules is crypto support, which means it is needed for WPA connections) regards Tom -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtExtended--Qt-Extended-4.4.3-released-tp2428651p2511705.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Multitouch on FR ... imho should be possible to mimic
Unfortunately, the jitter has many interpretations. * The user is moving the fingers apart * The user is moving the fingers together * The user holds the finger still, but pressure varies I think the jitter you should see with multitouch should be quite different from finger moves: much higher frequency. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
No, a sane fallback would be to signal an error and exit. that's no fallback -- that's an exit strategy. For a problem detected at startup, it's much better than a bogus fallback. After all, a missing HOME envvar, or a $HOME that points to a missing directory is the result of a misconfiguration that needs to be fixed in any case. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
check filesystem every n mounts (was Re: qt extended stops receiving sms)
2009/3/19 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com: If it is the same for you (I mean you use QText from uSD) try fsck. i've been having the same problem with .12 installed on internal flash as it's internal flash and not microsd, i can't take it out and check it in my laptop, and i recall there are issues with fsck'ing a mounted filesystem - how can i check it without causing problems? is there a way to autocheck it at boot? ok, in answer to my own question, i did some research on filesystem checking, and discovered 'tune2fs' is the programme i need to set the fs to be checked at regular intervals this is the command i came up with, i.e. to check the internal flash every 10 mounts tune2fs -c 10 /dev/mtdblock6 i chose mtdblock6, as it's the filesystem listed in fstab, which is mounted to / when i run this, it gives me an error: tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mtdblock6 which i don't entirely understand. any suggestions what's going on here? cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko toolchain error
After re looking at the wiki (thanks to Jozef's suggestion) I used the unofficial libtool. That problem seems to be solved Now i have the following error (full log attached) /usr/lib/libmokoui2.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [openmoko-sample] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/shakti/openmoko-sample2/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/shakti/openmoko-sample2' make: *** [all] Error 2 If i understand this correctly my libmokoui2-dev package may be corrupted? Should i download this also from another source? Thanks for your help Rakshat On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Shaz shazal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:02 PM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am using Ubuntu 8.10 and I followed the instructions at - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Everything works fine up till the 'Building the sample application segment'. I tried to run as root as well but I was unable to build it. The log is attached for both attempts. Path to the toolchain is giving problems. Are you sure that openmoko toolchain is present and all the required headers and libraries are where they should be. Did the opkg-target update work? If it did work then its something else. I use the toolchains alot on Ubunut 8.10 and 8.04 and I never had such a problem although never tried the sample application :) Thanks in advance Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Shaz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com make.log Description: Binary data ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
14th Community Update released
Hello lists! Welcome to the 14th community update, covering March 6th ~ 20th, 2009. As always, there was no shortage of news in the past weeks. Distributions including Om2009, Android and Qt Extended Improved all received their share of updates. The first Openmoko Programming Competition, hosted by Aapo Rantalainen and Risto H. Kurppa, was announced and the winner will now get a prize provided by the community, currently at 314€ and a leather case for Freerunner (39€)! A week later, a second contest was announced by Rakshat Hooja, where the current bounty stands at 125€. Discussions continued on the subjects of cool chess games, browsers on the Neo, and of course, keyboards (we love our keyboards), and much more. Be sure to check the newsletter available with links at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/March_20%2C_2009 Cheers, Will ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
