Re: Om2009 testing release 4

2009-05-30 Thread Ben Wong
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Mirko Lindner mi...@openmoko.com wrote:

 Ben Wong wrote:

 2d) There is too much latency between pressing the AUX button during a
 call and any indication that the system is working on changing the
 volume.  Ideally, what I'd like the GUI to show me is not what the
 current volume is, but what it will be once it has finished processing
 all the button presses.

 This is an issue happening in several places in paroli. The interface is
 very honest in the sense that it only shows what actually happened. Of
 course this means that changes are visible a bit later than in other
 interfaces. Should this paradigm be changed?

Yes, I believe so.  As others have said, honesty includes not only
the past but what is planned for the future.  I think changing the
gauge immediately (40%, 60%, 80%) but having it be grayed-out would be
a good way to represent that the volume change is queued up for later
action.

 2e) When ending a call, pressing END CALL does light up the button,
 but then it unlights before the call is actually ended making one
 think it needs to be pressed again.  I suggest changing the text to
 ENDING after the button has been pressed.

 The relates to the last point. Paroli could remove the call window as soon
 as the user ends the call and it could also stop all sounds and just don't
 worry whether or not the call is actually ended.

 I agree sth has to change here, which way is better

 a) showing that the call is ending and keeping the call window until the
 call is actually ended

 or

 b) closing the window right away and letting the user move on before the
 call is actually finished

Plan A would be acceptable, but B would be better.  The user interface
should waste as little of the user's time as possible.  However, plan
B also sounds like it'd be tricky to do correctly.  What happens if
the user immediately tries to make another call (or use GPRS or SMS)
and the previous call hasn't yet finished?

Thanks for your detailed response, Mirko.  I look forward to testing
your next release.

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Re: Om2009 testing release 4

2009-05-30 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/5/30 Ben Wong lists.openmoko@wongs.net:
 B also sounds like it'd be tricky to do correctly.  What happens if
 the user immediately tries to make another call (or use GPRS or SMS)
 and the previous call hasn't yet finished?

as it's unavoidable at this point to interfere with the user's time, a
please wait message would be preferable to nothing happening.  in
the case of the user not making another call immediately, there's
nothing lost in 'pretending' to finish the call whilst the hardware is
still busy. here, however, it could cause a problem, so make them
wait, but tell them what's happening

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Re: QT Improved - sms messages stop being received

2009-05-30 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/5/30 David Ford da...@blue-labs.org:
 Are you certain that is the reason?  Are you sure your SIM card isn't full?
 20, or 30, is a common number for the number of SMS storage slots on a SIM
 card.

does qtei store messages on the sim card, or in ~?

is there any way to change this behaviour, if it stores them on the sim?

i would suggest a sensible behaviour would be to store them on both
devices, until the sim is full, when it continues storing them only in
~, perhaps with some unobtrusive notification

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Re: mokogeocaching...can someone help me please?

2009-05-30 Thread Jesper Vestergaard
Steffen Winkler wrote:
 Hi guys,

 the program does not run on my freerunner.

 I've tried with SHR/unstable and SHR/testing and the newest hackable
 version, but everytime I click on search I get this error message:

 [code]
 http://www.geocaching.com/seek/nearest.aspx?origin_lat=55.6307origin_long=12.6454dist=3submit3=Search
 getting data
 Traceback (most recent call last):
 File ./mokogeocaching.py, line 814, in search
 result = self.downloader.search(self.inputLat.get_text(), 
 self.inputLon.get_text(), self.inputRadius.get_text())
 File ./mokogeocaching.py, line 469, in search self.get_search_result()
 eventtarget = self.searchHTLM[start-37:start-7]
 UnboundLocalError: local variable 'start' referenced before assignment
 [/code]

 I've tried the program on my desktop pc (ubuntu 9.04) and it worked.

 So I looked after the python versions and it seems clear: python on pc:
 2.6.4 or 2.5.4.

 So I downloaded the 2.5.4 python version from debian//sid and installed
 it on my hackable. After installation I thought, it have to
 work...but...I failed, the error is the same as with 2.5.2.

 Now I don't have any clue what causes the error.

 Hope someone could help me.

 Oh and before I forget: It works still on my ubuntu pc (I've not tried
 to import the data, but I get a message box which says that there are
 xxx caches in this area...on the freerunner I'm not getting this message
 box because of the error)
   
 

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Re: QT Improved - sms messages stop being received

2009-05-30 Thread Franky Van Liedekerke
On Sat, 30 May 2009 19:15:16 +1200
Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 2009/5/30 David Ford da...@blue-labs.org:
  Are you certain that is the reason?  Are you sure your SIM card
  isn't full? 20, or 30, is a common number for the number of SMS
  storage slots on a SIM card.
 
 does qtei store messages on the sim card, or in ~?
 
 is there any way to change this behaviour, if it stores them on the
 sim?
 
 i would suggest a sensible behaviour would be to store them on both
 devices, until the sim is full, when it continues storing them only in
 ~, perhaps with some unobtrusive notification
 

for now, it stores the sms only on the phone, not the sim. But this
behaviours wasn't there in the first versions of qtei. So the question
is: what version of qtei are you using, and what kernel?

Franky

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[all] problems with opkg.org

2009-05-30 Thread Robin Paulson
i've noticed over the last few weeks, that updates to packages on
opkg.org aren't getting downloaded when i do opkg update, and upgrade.
does anyone know what's happening, is the maintainer working on it
anymore?

it's a shame if not - it's very useful, and there are lots of great
packages on there

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Re: PISI 0.2 released

2009-05-30 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/5/4 Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de:
  Maybe this is python-2.6 related?
 Absolutely. The packages I assembled for vobject (you used the one from 
 opkg.org?) have static links to the python 2.5 site-package folder inside. 
 For testing purposes you might move them (under /usr/lib/python ...); I have 
 to sort this out by assembling the dependend packages properly.


or use ln -s. slightly more elegant

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Re: [all] problems with opkg.org

2009-05-30 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 i've noticed over the last few weeks, that updates to packages on
 opkg.org aren't getting downloaded when i do opkg update, and upgrade.
 does anyone know what's happening, is the maintainer working on it
 anymore?

 it's a shame if not - it's very useful, and there are lots of great
 packages on there

There has earlier been some problems with broken packages and some
errors in the opkg.org/packages/Packages -file. You might want to
contact Tobias (Maintainer of opkg.org) what's going on.


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Re: [android] new cupcake image (Panicking)

2009-05-30 Thread Chris Samuel
On Thu, 21 May 2009 03:29:44 am Russell Dwiggins wrote:

 Just tested this, but having a problem.  Kernel seems to boot OK, and the
 Android splash comes up, but then seems to loop (animation starts,
 pauses, then starts again).

I've been experiencing just the same issue with this image, and trying the 
14.6 image is even worse, that white screens then reboots cyclically. :-(

This is with and SD card created as per:

 http://www.newlc.com/en/freerunner-mobile-which-support-android-cupcake

*apart* from the fact that parted tells me the 3rd partition is too large to 
be a FAT16 partition, so I've set it to be 256MB in size.

I'm beginning to wonder if it's related to the fact that it's a large SD card, 
so I'm going to try it with a much smaller one.

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Re: [android] new cupcake image (Panicking)

2009-05-30 Thread Chris Samuel
On Sat, 30 May 2009 10:57:19 pm Chris Samuel wrote:

 I'm beginning to wonder if it's related to the fact that it's a large SD
 card, so I'm going to try it with a much smaller one.

Nope, same behaviour with freerunner-cupcake-snapshot-v6.jffs2, following the 
instructions to the letter.. :-(

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Re: Debuzzing

2009-05-30 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 29.05.2009 um 17:24 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

 I should add the status of the Buzz-Rework:

 * I have received back today all devices that we have received so far
 until approx. beginning of this week. They will now go to testing and
 then shipment.

All units have passed the tests and will be shipped after this (long)  
weekend.

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Re: QT Improved - sms messages stop being received

2009-05-30 Thread Franky Van Liedekerke
On Sat, 30 May 2009 22:48:42 +1200
Glen Ogilvie n...@linuxsolutions.co.nz wrote:

 I am running your release built on May 2.  QT Extended version 4.4.3.
 kernel: 2.6.29-rc2, and qte_20090502.tgz
 
 I'll update the latest version, as I see the is a new version out by
 the looks of it.
 
 Oh, one thing I noticed is it seems that the predictive dictionary on
 the keyboard is disabled.. Is that intentional?

yes it is, but you can reactivate again by sliding diagonal: left down
to right up (I think).

Franky

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Re: [Android] Koolu Beta7 was: Some problems with Android on GTA02

2009-05-30 Thread Steve 'dillo Okay (Roadknight Mobility Labs)

Has anybody else had problems receiving SMS ?
I flashed to Koolu Beta 7 the other day and can send w/ no problem but  
haven't received any text messages
since I reflashed. Calls seem fine for me.
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Re: [android] new cupcake image (Panicking)

2009-05-30 Thread RzR www.rzr.online.fr
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote:
 On Thu, 21 May 2009 03:29:44 am Russell Dwiggins wrote:
 This is with and SD card created as per:

  http://www.newlc.com/en/freerunner-mobile-which-support-android-cupcake

hi
i am the author of this page

 *apart* from the fact that parted tells me the 3rd partition is too large to
 be a FAT16 partition, so I've set it to be 256MB in size.

it can probally be shrinked sure

I'll test latest image soon...

what would be neat is to install the whole system on the sd card and
boot on it ,
there are some hints on om wiki

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Re: [android] new cupcake image (Panicking)

2009-05-30 Thread Davide Scaini
it would be great, if possible, to have some hint on how to install it on a
sd card... imho it's more straight forward for testing (i guess people uses
the flash for main distro and sd for testing).
thanks
d

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:00 PM, RzR www.rzr.online.fr www.rzr.online.fr@
gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote:
  On Thu, 21 May 2009 03:29:44 am Russell Dwiggins wrote:
  This is with and SD card created as per:
 
   http://www.newlc.com/en/freerunner-mobile-which-support-android-cupcake

 hi
 i am the author of this page

  *apart* from the fact that parted tells me the 3rd partition is too large
 to
  be a FAT16 partition, so I've set it to be 256MB in size.

 it can probally be shrinked sure

 I'll test latest image soon...

 what would be neat is to install the whole system on the sd card and
 boot on it ,
 there are some hints on om wiki

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Re: [Android] Koolu Beta7 was: Some problems with Android on GTA02

2009-05-30 Thread Shashank Bharadwaj
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Steve  'dillo Okay (Roadknight
Mobility Labs) armad...@gothpunk.com wrote:
 Has anybody else had problems receiving SMS ?

I was properly able to send/receive SMSes. I had sent 4 sms and received 8

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Re: [Shr-User] millestones

2009-05-30 Thread Nicola Mfb
2009/5/30 piratebab pirate...@hotmail.com:
 I am happy to see some milestones appearing in the roadmap:
 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/roadmap?

 What a good idea!

 We can have a better visibility of the evolution, and on the remaining bugs;

I just suppose MS1 was the stable milestone, I guess this by date (22/5).
Roadmaps and plans were asked on the lists many time in the past, but
it seems that all the openmoko world has not the capacity to achieve
that, not only SHR.
But seriously may someone at least reports what happened at FSOSHRUDCON?

Regards

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Recommend Openmoko Android course. Europe

2009-05-30 Thread Jackie BESNARD

Has anyone been on either the BigNerdanch Android course or the RootDSP.eu  
embedded course? 

Can they recommend either?





  

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Re: Help with gstreamer for python needed

2009-05-30 Thread Dylan Reilly
How long is a while?
Does the application freeze or does sound simply stop playing?
Can you play sound through other means after this occurs?
What do you do to get music playing again?
Are you using playbin or a set of specific sinks?
Is the device suspending? Gstreamer has issues resuming after a suspend.

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Andreas Hennig
andreas.hennig@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi All!

 Does one of you have expirience with gstreamer?
 I use gstreamer for my music player pyRok. Initialy it works fine but after a 
 while it locks up and i don't see a reason.
 There is no error message ot something. The music just stops.
 I compared pyRok with pythm but i cant see any difference regarding gstreamer.
 PyRok  uses pygame as UI. Maybe pygame interfeares with gstreamer somehow...

 Maybe somebody have an idea...

 rgds
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Re: cronjobs

2009-05-30 Thread Ed Kapitein
Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
 On Fri, 29 May 2009 15:49:27 +0200, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote:


   
 i need a script/program that will read a crontab line
 ( * * * * * some_action) and output the date and time the job will run.

 Does anyone know of such a tool?
 This way i can un-suspend the FR a few seconds prior to the start of
 that cron job.

 I already made a script that sort of works, but it is limmited at best
 and i hate to reinvent the wheel again.
 

 You might want to look at this:
 http://search.cpan.org/dist/Schedule-Cron
   

Hi Alexey and all the others

I did take a look at perl, but i am a real perl noob.

This is what i have so far:

#!/usr/bin/perl
use Config::Crontab
$event = new Config::Crontab::Event( -data = '*/5 3 * * 5,6 /bin/blech' );
print $event-minute . \n;
print $event-hour . \n;
print $event-dom . \n;
print $event-datetime . \n;
print $event-command . \n;
print $event-dump . \n;

And if i run that i get:

*/5
3
*
*/5 3 * * 5,6
/bin/blech
*/5 3 * * 5,6 /bin/blech

Perhaps i am missing the obvious here.

Is there someone out there who can make a script that can read a 
crontab line and give the time and date  of the next time it will be
executed ?
output in the form:
secs_since_epoch,-mm-dd,hh:mm,command would be *great*

Many thanks in advance,

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Re: [android] new cupcake image (Panicking)

2009-05-30 Thread Chris Samuel
Hello,

On Sun, 31 May 2009 12:00:45 am RzR www.rzr.online.fr wrote:

 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote:
  On Thu, 21 May 2009 03:29:44 am Russell Dwiggins wrote:
  This is with and SD card created as per:
 
   http://www.newlc.com/en/freerunner-mobile-which-support-android-cupcake

 hi
 i am the author of this page

Thanks for that!

  *apart* from the fact that parted tells me the 3rd partition is too large
  to be a FAT16 partition, so I've set it to be 256MB in size.

 it can probally be shrinked sure

It's only necessary for me because of the size of the SD card and, as I 
mentioned, using your parted command with the SD card that ships with the FR I 
get the same behaviour too.

 I'll test latest image soon...

I'd love to hear what you find!

 what would be neat is to install the whole system on the sd card and
 boot on it , there are some hints on om wiki

Agreed.

All the best!
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Re: [Android] Koolu Beta7 was: Some problems with Android on GTA02

2009-05-30 Thread Chris Samuel
On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:56:41 pm Chris Samuel wrote:

 I found that with both beta7 and beta6 that all calls were automatically
 diverted to voicemail and if I tried to change that in the Android call
 forwarding settings I would get the message that it was sending the new
 settings to the network and then, a while later, I'd get a message saying
 that there had been an unexpected response from the network. :-(

I had a query from Brian at Koolu about the logcat -b radio output and I've 
passed that information, but for the rest this seems to be where the issue 
lies:

D/RILJ(  893): [0083] SET_CALL_FORWARD 0 0 10
D/RIL (  785): onRequest: SET_CALL_FORWARD
D/AT  (  785): MUX[1] AT+CCFC=0,0,61414121000,129,1
D/AT  (  785): MUX[1] +CME ERROR: 4
D/RILJ(  893): [0083] SET_CALL_FORWARD error: 
com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException: GENERIC_FAILURE

Apparently CME ERROR 4 is an operation not supported error, so I'm not quite 
sure what's going on there! :-)

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Re: cronjobs

2009-05-30 Thread Ben Wong
Did  you try  $cron-get_next_execution_time($cron_entry,[$ref_time]) ?

--Ben

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote:
 Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
 On Fri, 29 May 2009 15:49:27 +0200, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote:



 i need a script/program that will read a crontab line
 ( * * * * * some_action) and output the date and time the job will run.

 Does anyone know of such a tool?
 This way i can un-suspend the FR a few seconds prior to the start of
 that cron job.

 I already made a script that sort of works, but it is limmited at best
 and i hate to reinvent the wheel again.


 You might want to look at this:
 http://search.cpan.org/dist/Schedule-Cron


 Hi Alexey and all the others

 I did take a look at perl, but i am a real perl noob.

 This is what i have so far:

 #!/usr/bin/perl
 use Config::Crontab
 $event = new Config::Crontab::Event( -data = '*/5 3 * * 5,6 /bin/blech' );
 print $event-minute . \n;
 print $event-hour . \n;
 print $event-dom . \n;
 print $event-datetime . \n;
 print $event-command . \n;
 print $event-dump . \n;

 And if i run that i get:

 */5
 3
 *
 */5 3 * * 5,6
 /bin/blech
 */5 3 * * 5,6 /bin/blech

 Perhaps i am missing the obvious here.

 Is there someone out there who can make a script that can read a
 crontab line and give the time and date  of the next time it will be
 executed ?
 output in the form:
 secs_since_epoch,-mm-dd,hh:mm,command would be *great*

 Many thanks in advance,

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SHR testing won't boot - jffs2 error ?

2009-05-30 Thread Chris Samuel
Hi all,

In my continuing time of playing around with distros on my FR I thought I'd 
give SHR a pop, but I'm not having much luck.  The latest unstable SHR image 
file shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 won't boot, I get the Qi related messages 
about unknown boot options for it trying to set the MAC address, and then 
nothing more.

So I tried SHR testing but (as well as the above messages) I get this:

Argh. No free space left for GC. nr_erasing blocks is 0. nr_free_blocks is 0. 
(erasableempty: yes, erasingempty: yes, erasependingempty: yes)
Error garbage collecting node at 0016!

Any thoughts ?

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Re: [Om2009] a community effort

2009-05-30 Thread William Kenworthy
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 21:07 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org 
 wrote:
 
  Is Qi reliable enough already to migrate from u-boot?
 
 Yes
 
 r
 

no, fails to boot occasionally, and because it doesnt print anything to
screen you dont know until much later ...

so not unless things have changed and it seems currently unmaintained.

Be nice to be corrected as uboot seems essentially in the same boat, but
at least its more reliable.

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Re: SHR testing won't boot - jffs2 error ?

2009-05-30 Thread Chris Samuel
On Sun, 31 May 2009 10:05:44 am Chris Samuel wrote:

 The latest unstable SHR image file shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 won't boot

I get very similar behaviour to this with the shr-lite-image-om-gta02.jffs2 
testing release image.

I don't get the GC error that the full testing version gives, just three non-
Qi related kernel messages, one about pcf50633-rtc being unable to read the 
hardware clock and two others about regulators and then it just hangs. :-(

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Re: cronjobs

2009-05-30 Thread Ed Kapitein
Ben Wong wrote:
 Did  you try  $cron-get_next_execution_time($cron_entry,[$ref_time]) ?

 --Ben
   
No, i had no idea i could !
But now that i try it i get:
Can't call method get_next_execution_time on an undefined value at
./ff.pl line 11.

Can you make an example perl script? a real simple one?

Thanks !

Kind regards,

Ed


 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote:
   
 Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
 
 On Fri, 29 May 2009 15:49:27 +0200, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote:



   
 i need a script/program that will read a crontab line
 ( * * * * * some_action) and output the date and time the job will run.

 Does anyone know of such a tool?
 This way i can un-suspend the FR a few seconds prior to the start of
 that cron job.

 I already made a script that sort of works, but it is limmited at best
 and i hate to reinvent the wheel again.

 
 You might want to look at this:
 http://search.cpan.org/dist/Schedule-Cron

   
 Hi Alexey and all the others

 I did take a look at perl, but i am a real perl noob.

 This is what i have so far:

 #!/usr/bin/perl
 use Config::Crontab
 $event = new Config::Crontab::Event( -data = '*/5 3 * * 5,6 /bin/blech' );
 print $event-minute . \n;
 print $event-hour . \n;
 print $event-dom . \n;
 print $event-datetime . \n;
 print $event-command . \n;
 print $event-dump . \n;

 And if i run that i get:

 */5
 3
 *
 */5 3 * * 5,6
 /bin/blech
 */5 3 * * 5,6 /bin/blech

 Perhaps i am missing the obvious here.

 Is there someone out there who can make a script that can read a
 crontab line and give the time and date  of the next time it will be
 executed ?
 output in the form:
 secs_since_epoch,-mm-dd,hh:mm,command would be *great*

 Many thanks in advance,

 Ed



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Re: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster)

2009-05-30 Thread Peter Harrison
I thought I would provide some of my experience with using solar
power. My experience involves using a 12v panel. You can get 12v
panels from all kinds of places. In order to step down 12v to the
required 5v you will need an efficient dc converter:
http://us.100y.com.tw/PNoInfo/21207.htm

Do NOT use a 5v regulator as you will dump half the power directly
into the regulator as heat. That is not only a waste of power but
potentially a fire risk. From there you can get a connector to the NEO
USB and simply wire in the power. I actually had a PhidgetServo board
and wired the power directly into it. To get my NEO to charge I had to
turn on the external charging and set to 500ma.

The point here is that you will need 5v x 500ma = 2.5W in order to
supply that kind of juice. This power is only available in full
exposure. It also does not account for any conversion loss. I
recommend using a 5W panel. Obviously if you can get a 6v or 5v panel
you could use a basic regulator without much trouble.

This is not a kind of panel you can carry around easily. Some
'chargers' on the market have such low surface area they have no
realistic chance of supplying the kind of juice required for charging
in a realistic time frame.

Here is panel I'm using:
http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/4a21d7f801e681262741c0a87f3b06ee/Product/View/O3345

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Re: SHR testing won't boot - jffs2 error ?

2009-05-30 Thread Chris Samuel
On Sun, 31 May 2009 10:05:44 am Chris Samuel wrote:

 In my continuing time of playing around with distros on my FR I thought I'd
 give SHR a pop, but I'm not having much luck.  The latest unstable SHR
 image file shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 won't boot,

This might be a false alarm, I just put OM2009 TR4 back on and noticed that 
when I ssh'd in it was running 2.6.29-rc2, not the 2.6.28 TR4 kernel I'd just 
flashed.

I'd previously installed Android Koolu7 and it had left the kernel on the 
first partition and I'd forgotten that Qi will load a kernel off the SD card 
before the internal flash!

Oops..

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