Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Jim Morris m...@e4net.com wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below) It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-) FYI... I followed the instructions, and ran the script from ssh using the install option and it runs out of memory... lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_36_75.qpf2 lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_10_50.qpf2 lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_21_75.qpf2 tar: write error: No space left on device if this happens, it doesn't mean out of memory, but out of disk space, which means you have many things installed that are not required. Probably you're using another kernel/rootfs and extra stuff. Simple action: clean up ... Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko Workshop-Wochenende München
Termin ist fixiert: Fr. 3.7. ca. 18:00 bis Sa 4.7. Location voraussichtl. Hochschule München, Lothstr. 64 Buzz-Fix-Party wird aller Voraussicht nach nicht möglich sein. geplante Inhalte: * Einstieg in die FSO-Programmierung mit Mickey Lauer * wie programmiert man unter Python, ... * alternative Distributionen - Vorteile/Nachteile * was macht man mit dem Freerunner * Programmier-Session Python *Programmier Session C/C++ und SDL, wieder anhand richtigen Beispiels. *Feedback C++ *Hardware am Freerunner oder QuantumStep auf dem FR oder Abspecken eines Linuxsystem oder wie vollständiges Backup machen oder Multiboot einrichten. * weitere Wünsche... http://doodle.com/d5wzgyd68sid66zp http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20t=1112sid=cb68e7deb8eef5c72f9696b63bf09ce7start=45 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
Le mardi 2 juin 2009 05:50:45, Lorn Potter a écrit : Goffi wrote: This would require someone to translate the ~3000 strings in Qtopia, and then configure it with that language enabled and then install that language. It is not possible to have an option just for the dict ? The translation of the 3000 strings would take some time and the dicts are already in the sources ! IMO it's not a big deal for most users to have the interface in english, but the dictionary is more important. Anyway, by copying the french file over the en_US ones, it works (it's just a little less handy than a compilation option). Cheers Goffi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
Hi, Here's the latest version. http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3010896/launcher_0.20_arm.ipk launcher_0.20_arm.ipk Changes :- * Transparent Icons * Toolbar Well, I need some feedback about whether the toolbar is better or should I go back to the hover drop down. Screenshot http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3010896/launcher.png -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.18-tp2969146p3010896.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debuzzing
Thanks to a very special delivery service by Dr.N himself (thanks again, and sorry for the inconvenience that followed!) I was able to test my Buzz-Fixed FR over the weekend and must say I am quite impressed: With a new alsa statefile nobody was complaining about buzz, echo or general lack of loudness anymore! Since the battery lasted the whole saturday afternoon ( GPS on, GSM off) I hope the current consumption of ~300mA that I got this morning can be attributed to some software changes only, so I guess operation buzzfix was sucessfull! So thanks again and a big thumbs-up for Nikolaus who made this possible in the most customer-friendly way! Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
2009/5/7 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com: Thanks. Hope the playing song resumes correctly on call hang up. Any other feedback? -- hi c_c, hope you're still developing intone i've got a feature request: could you add some notification of which track is currently playing? i realise the black bar follows the current track, but it can also be moved arbitrarily - could you, say, change the colour of the green double note icon, to blue, for the track which is playing? cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Workshop-Wochenende München
2009/6/2 joezeewails joezeewa...@yahoo.de: Termin ist fixiert: Fr. 3.7. ca. 18:00 bis Sa 4.7. Location voraussichtl. Hochschule München, Lothstr. 64 Buzz-Fix-Party wird aller Voraussicht nach nicht möglich sein. geplante Inhalte: Looks good - but could you also provide an English version of the message or at least tell if the event is German-only. Thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
Here's the latest version. http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3010896/launcher_0.20_arm.ipk launcher_0.20_arm.ipk installing now, will let you know. wow, looks damn good! How about clicking on the date/time brigs up the Home category? (quick way home?) Also one more thing that could be applied - when launcher is running and i install new apps, launcher needs to be restarted to find out about it - perhaps running this scan while entering the Set app categories screen would be good? keep up the great work! Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)
Nice! There should be more fun applets like this. Do you have plans to make it run any faster? Right now there's significant lag before I hear the notes (perhaps due to ESD?). Also, the sound stutters whenever the pointer (my finger) moves, even if I'm not pressing a different note. Thanks for the nice port! --Ben On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:06 PM, RzR www.rzr.online.fr www.rzr.online...@gmail.com wrote: Dear openmoko users Here is an other Audio Application for Openmoko platform : Boxar is a kind of piano using the full surface of the touch screen to display scales It was created by Sampath Jagananthan on the Nokia n8x0 but I built it for the openmoko (GTA02 Running SHR) as well. Head to this page for download it or watch video demo : URL: http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd I'll make an other release if it can be supported on other OM distributions ... Find me online or contact: http://rzr.online.fr/contact.htm -- Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/openmoko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
2009/6/2 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com Hi, Here's the latest version. http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3010896/launcher_0.20_arm.ipk launcher_0.20_arm.ipk Changes :- * Transparent Icons Thanks! * Toolbar Well, I need some feedback about whether the toolbar is better or should I go back to the hover drop down. Yes. I like it! Some issues thouhgts: 1) Utility has no icon 2) When i choose Uncategorized, toolbar is missing. Maybe ther are too many icons in this category, so toolbar is going down out of the screen? And no way to go back to other category - restart is necessary. 3) I've got to delete launcher.db made under 0.18 version. Otherwise it segfaults. 4) What do you think about possibility to attach one program to more than one category? I'd like to see terminal on every launcher screen :-) 5) What do you think about configurable size (height) of toolbar? Just Small, Medium, Large would be enough. 6) What do you think about configuration of categories order (not just alphabetic)? And thanks a lot for great job! -- jahckal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
Hi, Petr Vanek wrote: How about clicking on the date/time brigs up the Home category? (quick way home?) That's a nice idea. Will implement that in the next version. Petr Vanek wrote: when launcher is running and i install new apps, launcher needs to be restarted to find out about it Coming soon. Will be monitoring the /usr/share/applications directory for changes. jahckal wrote: 1) Utility has no icon Well, missed that. I changed the category name to Utilities. There is a utilities.png in /usr/share/launcher. Change it to utility.png. jahckal wrote: 2) When i choose Uncategorized, toolbar is missing. Maybe there are too many icons in this category, so toolbar is going down out of the screen? And no way to go back to other category - restart is necessary. Ok. That should get resolved once the scroller for the icons starts working. jahckal wrote: 3) I've got to delete launcher.db made under 0.18 version. Otherwise it segfaults. That should not happen. Will test and resolve. jahckal wrote: 4) What do you think about possibility to attach one program to more than one category? I'd like to see terminal on every launcher screen :-) That can be done. Currently, add entries in the app_cat table (using sqlite3) for the required app (terminal) with all the categories you want to see it in. eg name:terminal category:Home jahckal wrote: 5) What do you think about configurable size (height) of toolbar? Just Small, Medium, Large would be enough. Well, let me see what I can do about that. jahckal wrote: 6) What do you think about configuration of categories order (not just alphabetic)? Hmmm, I'm looking at an easy way of finding a way to sort icons as per user requirements. I'll apply the same to the categories too. Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'm also looking at increasing the size of the missed calls and sms icons. Any other wishes? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.20-tp2969146p3011215.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
Hi, Robin Paulson wrote: hi c_c, hope you're still developing intone Yup. Intone is still being developed - though the pace has reduced. :-) Robin Paulson wrote: could you, say, change the colour of the green double note icon, to blue, for the track which is playing? Ok. Will add that for the next release. I'm currently working on making the music management part simpler. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.51%29-Elementary-mplayer-frontend---updated-20-May-tp2587826p3011226.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Workshop-Wochenende München
Is it still possible to register for it or is the registration already closed? If yes, where? 2009/6/2 joezeewails joezeewa...@yahoo.de: Termin ist fixiert: Fr. 3.7. ca. 18:00 bis Sa 4.7. Location voraussichtl. Hochschule München, Lothstr. 64 Buzz-Fix-Party wird aller Voraussicht nach nicht möglich sein. geplante Inhalte: * Einstieg in die FSO-Programmierung mit Mickey Lauer * wie programmiert man unter Python, ... * alternative Distributionen - Vorteile/Nachteile * was macht man mit dem Freerunner * Programmier-Session Python *Programmier Session C/C++ und SDL, wieder anhand richtigen Beispiels. *Feedback C++ *Hardware am Freerunner oder QuantumStep auf dem FR oder Abspecken eines Linuxsystem oder wie vollständiges Backup machen oder Multiboot einrichten. * weitere Wünsche... http://doodle.com/d5wzgyd68sid66zp http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20t=1112sid=cb68e7deb8eef5c72f9696b63bf09ce7start=45 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)
looks fun. thought next time you do a example movie try to avoid lots of background light : ) - jeremy On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Ben Wong lists.openmoko@wongs.netwrote: Nice! There should be more fun applets like this. Do you have plans to make it run any faster? Right now there's significant lag before I hear the notes (perhaps due to ESD?). Also, the sound stutters whenever the pointer (my finger) moves, even if I'm not pressing a different note. Thanks for the nice port! --Ben On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:06 PM, RzR www.rzr.online.fr www.rzr.online...@gmail.com wrote: Dear openmoko users Here is an other Audio Application for Openmoko platform : Boxar is a kind of piano using the full surface of the touch screen to display scales It was created by Sampath Jagananthan on the Nokia n8x0 but I built it for the openmoko (GTA02 Running SHR) as well. Head to this page for download it or watch video demo : URL: http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd I'll make an other release if it can be supported on other OM distributions ... Find me online or contact: http://rzr.online.fr/contact.htm -- Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/openmoko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fundamental Qi question
Just to provide another data point for those in doubt, I run Qi with SHR on the NAND, and no uSD install. The only issue I have is that /boot on the NAND is not respected/read, but I can live with that. No additional configuration was required, I flashed Qi and it just worked. Kind regards, Cameron 'Toaster' Frazier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fundamental Qi question
Just to provide another data point for those in doubt, I run Qi with SHR on the NAND, and no uSD install. The only issue I have is that /boot on the NAND is not respected/read, but I can live with that. how does one add additional kernel arguments, which according to the wiki is done by creating a file /boot/append-GTA0[123]? oops, sorry. i forgot, questioning qi is spreading fud and causing mail congestion ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fundamental Qi question
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:19 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: Just to provide another data point for those in doubt, I run Qi with SHR on the NAND, and no uSD install. The only issue I have is that /boot on the NAND is not respected/read, but I can live with that. how does one add additional kernel arguments, which according to the wiki is done by creating a file /boot/append-GTA0[123]? oops, sorry. i forgot, questioning qi is spreading fud and causing mail congestion ... Arne, My understanding is that not respecting the /boot/append-GTA0[123] is a NAND-only hardcoded limitation, since NAND has different partitions for ROOTFS and KERNEL. I suppose I could have been clearer before. Apologies. Honest questioning is never FUD, and honest answers are never a cause of mail congestion. Kind regards, Cameron 'Toaster' Frazier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fundamental Qi question
My understanding is that not respecting the /boot/append-GTA0[123] is a NAND-only hardcoded limitation, since NAND has different partitions for ROOTFS and KERNEL. that's what i understood and i specifically looked into the wiki, to make sure i understood right. still, if /boot/ is not read, appending arguments is impossible. I suppose I could have been clearer before. Apologies. not necessary. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fundamental Qi question
On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:28:07 pm Cameron Frazier wrote: My understanding is that not respecting the /boot/append-GTA0[123] is a NAND-only hardcoded limitation, since NAND has different partitions for ROOTFS and KERNEL. I suspect that it's more to do with the fact that Qi only understands ext2/ext3 and so can't mount a JFFS2 (or FAT) filesystem to look inside it. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
hey c_c - sorry for the slow reply - missed the updates on this thread. Yeah, I could contribute some wallpapers - probably under a CC-Attrib-Share Alike license, if that's acceptable to you... I can just pull some 640x480 excerpts from my works. How many would you like? And how do you feel about tasteful nudity? :-) Warren On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:19 AM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, @ Warren Baird - Hey I saw that you're a digital artist. Can you contribute some wallpapers? :-) Just a thought. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.18-tp2969146p2985771.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb0 vs eth0
Angus Ainslie wrote: On June 1, 2009 08:54:51 am ivvmm wrote: Read the section for Slackware on that wiki page. This way that will do the right routing whatever the interface is called so you will not have to think how is it named at this time. As for me, I experience another problem: cannot connect to the freerunner twice, only once until device is rebooted. How this can be solvfed? On the host side ifdown ethx; ifup ethx Angus I'm running Slackware and this obviously will not work. What am I supposed to do? P.S. sudo /sbin/ip l set eth0 down sudp /sbin/ip l set eth0 up will not help signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Solar backpack (Solar charger)
You might like to check this comparison of dynamo efficiency [1]. The Shimano has as much drag with the lights off as on! It's missing the BM [2] models though, which is a pity as they do a 12V 6W bottle model with a claimed efficiency of 70%, beating even the Schmidt. The LightSPIN had a similar verified efficiency so it's possible, but they're out of production now, and were quirky to get DC out of. [1] http://myra-simon.com/bike/dynotest.html [2] http://www.bumm.de/ On Saturday 23 May 2009, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: in australia there is a company called www.pedalpower.com that has the full solution, I trying to reach them but with any luck I will try again tomorrow morning. but in parelell I trying to make my own solution, just a aux batery able to recharge while charging providing 500mA will do the trick, just precharge that battery and it will at least be mantained by the dynamo. I still searching for one that fits. For the dynamo hubs , my local bike workshop is searching for an affordable one(shimano, afiline..), but the main problem is that all dynamo hubs requires to unmount and remount the hole wheel, and this is an added cost in the total amount. so he is also searching for wheels with the dynamo hub already mounted. once I got information I will post. 2009/5/23 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm: Ok, I wasn't specific enough. What I'm looking for is exactly that thing in the middle :-) that will output the 500mA or 1A through a USB. Is a bike dynamo powerful enough to provide the 500mA or 1A to charge the Freerunner? 2009/5/23 David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com look at http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/lighting/shimano.html but remember you will have to have a good voltage regulator or better a battery charger able to charge itself and the neo at time, in the middle, to avoid the current variance of the dinamo 2009/5/23 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm: 2009/5/21 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk If you want something effective for emergencies or extended periods away from power a mechanical device is probably more effective. For cycling a good dynamo will provide more, and more reliable, power than any bike-mounted solar panel. Other than that there are some good quality hand cranked generators available, along with a lot of bad ones. There are even a few devices that will take energy from irregular movement, a bit like a self-winding watch. I'm looking for a bicycle or hand driven dynamo for use with Freerunner. Do you have any links where to find such devices? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb0 vs eth0
On June 2, 2009 08:37:21 am ivvmm wrote: I'm running Slackware and this obviously will not work. What am I supposed to do? P.S. sudo /sbin/ip l set eth0 down sudp /sbin/ip l set eth0 up will not help Never used slackware but something like below should work on most unix's ifconfig ethx down ifconfig ethx 192.168.0.200 mask 255.255.255.0 up Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
I like the new version - the transparency looks a lot better! I'm not sure about the scroll bar at the bottom to select the categories... I agree it's prettier - but it's also slower to find the category you want. Before it was always just two clicks, now it can be 'drag, drag, drag, click'... also - I can't figure out how to edit the list of category in this version - how do I do that? Hmm - do you track when and how many times each app is launched? I'd love to see automatically populated categories for 'most recent' and 'most popular' or something like that... Warren On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 5:51 AM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Petr Vanek wrote: How about clicking on the date/time brigs up the Home category? (quick way home?) That's a nice idea. Will implement that in the next version. Petr Vanek wrote: when launcher is running and i install new apps, launcher needs to be restarted to find out about it Coming soon. Will be monitoring the /usr/share/applications directory for changes. jahckal wrote: 1) Utility has no icon Well, missed that. I changed the category name to Utilities. There is a utilities.png in /usr/share/launcher. Change it to utility.png. jahckal wrote: 2) When i choose Uncategorized, toolbar is missing. Maybe there are too many icons in this category, so toolbar is going down out of the screen? And no way to go back to other category - restart is necessary. Ok. That should get resolved once the scroller for the icons starts working. jahckal wrote: 3) I've got to delete launcher.db made under 0.18 version. Otherwise it segfaults. That should not happen. Will test and resolve. jahckal wrote: 4) What do you think about possibility to attach one program to more than one category? I'd like to see terminal on every launcher screen :-) That can be done. Currently, add entries in the app_cat table (using sqlite3) for the required app (terminal) with all the categories you want to see it in. eg name:terminal category:Home jahckal wrote: 5) What do you think about configurable size (height) of toolbar? Just Small, Medium, Large would be enough. Well, let me see what I can do about that. jahckal wrote: 6) What do you think about configuration of categories order (not just alphabetic)? Hmmm, I'm looking at an easy way of finding a way to sort icons as per user requirements. I'll apply the same to the categories too. Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'm also looking at increasing the size of the missed calls and sms icons. Any other wishes? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.20-tp2969146p3011215.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner's Future
Dear Community, As some of you have heard, we had a layoff at Openmoko on Monday, May 25th. First of all let me second the comments made here congratulating the Openmoko team on all that was accomplished. And let me add that everything accomplished was only possible because of the amazing efforts of the community. Bringing the Neo products to market, first the 1973 and then the Freerunner, has been the most exceptional experience of our lives. I can undeniably say that the most important thing we have learned over these years is that the power of people bound by ideals, rather than contracts, cannot be underestimated. These phones are your success. From simple things like group sales to complex undertakings like developing and maintaining entire distributions, you made this happen. You always came through for us. As CEO, I have to determine the best path forward for our phone business. And after long discussions with my key people and Board, we've decided that the best path foreword is to turn the future of the Freerunner over to the community. We've always said that the talent and creativity of those outside the company is superior to that inside the company. We have stuck to these principles. We've have opened up more than any other phone, from any other company, in the history of this industry. Every time we chose openness over internal control, we have been rewarded. Former Openmoko employees have already started redesigning the Freerunner hardware (gta02-core) using only Free Software tools. Werner Almesberger, working with many others, has made great progress. Recently, we have released more information to accelerate their efforts. In the coming weeks, all the design information will be handed over to the community along with all of openmoko.org (Wiki, GIT, Trac, Planet, ...). Openmoko Inc. then will act as the sponsor of this effort. We will continue to fund all necessary server infrastructure and support, in areas where corporate help is needed, future open phone development. (Parts of this process will require legal work - so I request your patience.) I am extremely excited about the idea of an entirely community-built open phone. Especially since, when the next design is complete, it will have the benefits of everything uncovered since the Freerunner shipped last July. It will be buzz free, glamo free, and free of the recamping bug (#1024) - which I am happy to announce has been solved this past week. We promise to support these efforts with additional resources such as components to build prototypes of the new design. We will help to empower you to build the open phone of our future. After all this, there is one last thing that Openmoko the company can do: we can enable the community to use the Openmoko brand and trademark for these efforts. For us, the Openmoko brand is synonymous with the people who built the products: Harald, Mickey, Werner, Raster, all of my coworkers in our Taiwan office, Sureda, Tuxbrain, Bearstech, and countless others. I personally want to give an extra special thanks to Steve Mosher who has taught me so much about marketing, writing, and well...life. Without his guidance, this all would have only been an idea in my notebook. I have asked Steve to lead an effort, over the next few weeks, to gather input from the community on how best to implement this transition. (He will follow up shortly on the community mailing list.) As always we can expect some negative comments, that comes with the territory. But we believe a community that owns everything of importance, with regard to the Freerunner, will focus efforts and energies on the future - not the past. Sales of the current FreeRunner (A7), will continue as before. We have plenty more in stock. Now that the phone is freed, and its future entrusted to the hands of the community, Openmoko Inc. will start another effort on an altogether different type of device. We've sized our company to go do that task. Please wish us the very best of luck! More details will follow in the coming months... Sincerely, Sean Moss-Pultz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release)
On Thursday 28 May 2009, Russell Hay wrote: thanks for the updates - I'll convert any future PNG's... The wired headset isn't mono - for some reason only the right hand side audio resumes after a call... strange! Russ Sounds like the phone app is setting stereoout.state at the end of the call rather than reverting to the previous state. 2009/5/27 Valery Febvre vfeb...@easter-eggs.com Russell Hay wrote: Hi, I'm using Podboy on my morning commute now (SHR-testing) - much appreciated! Two observations though.. - the image file associated with the rss feed isn't scaled properly in some cases and expands all the dialogs off the visible screen area... the example that immediately comes to mind is the rss feed for the linux link tech show. Scaling seems to be buggy with PNG covers :-( I don't know why. To fix the problem, you can convert PNG cover into JPG (but keeps the same name techshow-slackware1.png) - after an incoming call, the audio resumes, but only the audio on the Right hand side... left hand audio remains mute, but appears to come out of the unit itself? Do you speak about speaker(s) ? Isn't it mono ? Finally - and somewhat off-topic, it doesn't appear as though the wired headset is usable for receiving incomming calls - so there's a bit of a scrabble around to take calls! I'll hunt around for any fixes for that.. again though - great app! Russ -- Valéry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Hi Sean, Thanks for all the fish :) [fortunatly without a So long and in the beggining] and most of all thanks for communicating all this. Most companies are not so bravely outspoken, and I'm only sad it didn't go better in the end. As a phoenix, it has the potential to rebirth as a glorious firebird. Moving along, although the phone is very open, there are a few problems that are hidden under NDAs. Without improvement in this area, I fear the Freerunner is as good as dead, and only the next model will have some hope. For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon. Best of luck on the new venture, Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Thanks Sean for the kind words and for the opportunity to do something unique. i spent some time thinking about how I want to organize the community responses. I have a list of FAQs from werner ( somewhere here in the pile of mail) and I want to solicit ideas from the community on what OM can do to support the community efforts. I am leaning toward putting Werner's FAQ on the wiki and also having a wiki entry for a community wish list where the wishes are directed at how OM can help. Anybody who is better at wiki than me volunteer, please. Steve Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, As some of you have heard, we had a layoff at Openmoko on Monday, May 25th. First of all let me second the comments made here congratulating the Openmoko team on all that was accomplished. And let me add that everything accomplished was only possible because of the amazing efforts of the community. Bringing the Neo products to market, first the 1973 and then the Freerunner, has been the most exceptional experience of our lives. I can undeniably say that the most important thing we have learned over these years is that the power of people bound by ideals, rather than contracts, cannot be underestimated. These phones are your success. From simple things like group sales to complex undertakings like developing and maintaining entire distributions, you made this happen. You always came through for us. As CEO, I have to determine the best path forward for our phone business. And after long discussions with my key people and Board, we've decided that the best path foreword is to turn the future of the Freerunner over to the community. We've always said that the talent and creativity of those outside the company is superior to that inside the company. We have stuck to these principles. We've have opened up more than any other phone, from any other company, in the history of this industry. Every time we chose openness over internal control, we have been rewarded. Former Openmoko employees have already started redesigning the Freerunner hardware (gta02-core) using only Free Software tools. Werner Almesberger, working with many others, has made great progress. Recently, we have released more information to accelerate their efforts. In the coming weeks, all the design information will be handed over to the community along with all of openmoko.org (Wiki, GIT, Trac, Planet, ...). Openmoko Inc. then will act as the sponsor of this effort. We will continue to fund all necessary server infrastructure and support, in areas where corporate help is needed, future open phone development. (Parts of this process will require legal work - so I request your patience.) I am extremely excited about the idea of an entirely community-built open phone. Especially since, when the next design is complete, it will have the benefits of everything uncovered since the Freerunner shipped last July. It will be buzz free, glamo free, and free of the recamping bug (#1024) - which I am happy to announce has been solved this past week. We promise to support these efforts with additional resources such as components to build prototypes of the new design. We will help to empower you to build the open phone of our future. After all this, there is one last thing that Openmoko the company can do: we can enable the community to use the Openmoko brand and trademark for these efforts. For us, the Openmoko brand is synonymous with the people who built the products: Harald, Mickey, Werner, Raster, all of my coworkers in our Taiwan office, Sureda, Tuxbrain, Bearstech, and countless others. I personally want to give an extra special thanks to Steve Mosher who has taught me so much about marketing, writing, and well...life. Without his guidance, this all would have only been an idea in my notebook. I have asked Steve to lead an effort, over the next few weeks, to gather input from the community on how best to implement this transition. (He will follow up shortly on the community mailing list.) As always we can expect some negative comments, that comes with the territory. But we believe a community that owns everything of importance, with regard to the Freerunner, will focus efforts and energies on the future - not the past. Sales of the current FreeRunner (A7), will continue as before. We have plenty more in stock. Now that the phone is freed, and its future entrusted to the hands of the community, Openmoko Inc. will start another effort on an altogether different type of device. We've sized our company to go do that task. Please wish us the very best of luck! More details will follow in the coming months... Sincerely, Sean Moss-Pultz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list
Re: Freerunner's Future
Steve, Is this going to affect OM trying to find us Americans someone to implement all of the pending hardware fixes? On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Thanks Sean for the kind words and for the opportunity to do something unique. i spent some time thinking about how I want to organize the community responses. I have a list of FAQs from werner ( somewhere here in the pile of mail) and I want to solicit ideas from the community on what OM can do to support the community efforts. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
No, it will not impact the program. I just sealed the deal on that this morning! of course there are details to be worked out so watch this space. 1. we sent out instructions to all the disty a while back. 2. one of our North american partners had requested the package to perform the work ( like Dr. Ns program) 3. because of the layoff the mail went unanswered for a few days. 4. the disty wrote me directly and I hooked them up with sean who was on the matter in 5 minutes of my mail. 5. Sean has assigned a person to make this happen. I'm working with that disty to make sure that they benefit from Dr. Ns approach, so we dont re invent the wheel. I know you guys have been very patient with us. I trust you wont be disappointed. Finally, I would like to thank Dr. N for his tireless efforts and imagination in getting this done. And lets not forget david at Tuxbrain. A bunch of people tried things they have never done before to keep customers happy. Steve Lon Lentz wrote: Steve, Is this going to affect OM trying to find us Americans someone to implement all of the pending hardware fixes? On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Thanks Sean for the kind words and for the opportunity to do something unique. i spent some time thinking about how I want to organize the community responses. I have a list of FAQs from werner ( somewhere here in the pile of mail) and I want to solicit ideas from the community on what OM can do to support the community efforts. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Hi Sean, Thanks for the honesty. I'd like to echo Rui's thank you - I've survived a couple of lay-offs in my day, and I know it's not pleasant for anyone involved. I hope that OpenMoko thrives in it's new form. I've been using my FR as my daily phone for about 6 months now, first with QtE and recently with OM2009, and although I've had the occasional missed call, it's overall been an OK experience, and it is getting better and better... You have my hopes for smooth sailing and a successful future! Warren On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com wrote: Dear Community, As some of you have heard, we had a layoff at Openmoko on Monday, May 25th. First of all let me second the comments made here congratulating the Openmoko team on all that was accomplished. And let me add that everything accomplished was only possible because of the amazing efforts of the community. Bringing the Neo products to market, first the 1973 and then the Freerunner, has been the most exceptional experience of our lives. I can undeniably say that the most important thing we have learned over these years is that the power of people bound by ideals, rather than contracts, cannot be underestimated. These phones are your success. From simple things like group sales to complex undertakings like developing and maintaining entire distributions, you made this happen. You always came through for us. As CEO, I have to determine the best path forward for our phone business. And after long discussions with my key people and Board, we've decided that the best path foreword is to turn the future of the Freerunner over to the community. We've always said that the talent and creativity of those outside the company is superior to that inside the company. We have stuck to these principles. We've have opened up more than any other phone, from any other company, in the history of this industry. Every time we chose openness over internal control, we have been rewarded. Former Openmoko employees have already started redesigning the Freerunner hardware (gta02-core) using only Free Software tools. Werner Almesberger, working with many others, has made great progress. Recently, we have released more information to accelerate their efforts. In the coming weeks, all the design information will be handed over to the community along with all of openmoko.org (Wiki, GIT, Trac, Planet, ...). Openmoko Inc. then will act as the sponsor of this effort. We will continue to fund all necessary server infrastructure and support, in areas where corporate help is needed, future open phone development. (Parts of this process will require legal work - so I request your patience.) I am extremely excited about the idea of an entirely community-built open phone. Especially since, when the next design is complete, it will have the benefits of everything uncovered since the Freerunner shipped last July. It will be buzz free, glamo free, and free of the recamping bug (#1024) - which I am happy to announce has been solved this past week. We promise to support these efforts with additional resources such as components to build prototypes of the new design. We will help to empower you to build the open phone of our future. After all this, there is one last thing that Openmoko the company can do: we can enable the community to use the Openmoko brand and trademark for these efforts. For us, the Openmoko brand is synonymous with the people who built the products: Harald, Mickey, Werner, Raster, all of my coworkers in our Taiwan office, Sureda, Tuxbrain, Bearstech, and countless others. I personally want to give an extra special thanks to Steve Mosher who has taught me so much about marketing, writing, and well...life. Without his guidance, this all would have only been an idea in my notebook. I have asked Steve to lead an effort, over the next few weeks, to gather input from the community on how best to implement this transition. (He will follow up shortly on the community mailing list.) As always we can expect some negative comments, that comes with the territory. But we believe a community that owns everything of importance, with regard to the Freerunner, will focus efforts and energies on the future - not the past. Sales of the current FreeRunner (A7), will continue as before. We have plenty more in stock. Now that the phone is freed, and its future entrusted to the hands of the community, Openmoko Inc. will start another effort on an altogether different type of device. We've sized our company to go do that task. Please wish us the very best of luck! More details will follow in the coming months... Sincerely, Sean Moss-Pultz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Jim Morris m...@e4net.com wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below) It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-) FYI... I followed the instructions, and ran the script from ssh using the install option and it runs out of memory... lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_36_75.qpf2 lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_10_50.qpf2 lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_21_75.qpf2 tar: write error: No space left on device if this happens, it doesn't mean out of memory, but out of disk space, which means you have many things installed that are not required. Probably you're using another kernel/rootfs and extra stuff. Simple action: clean up ... Yes I know that, but this was a clean install from the images I downloaded with no extra stuff installed, I couldn't install anything as only the kernel was running anyway. Have you tried the full install? The problem looks to me like having the tar file on the device uses too much room and you cannot de-tar it. I got around it by piping the tar over ssh. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Community, To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an appropriate place in the wiki. Any takers? After the FAQ gets incorporated then we can start to fill it up. Also, I want to start a wish list or Suggestion list for what kinds of things OM can do to smooth this transition. here is Werners List. Adjust as you see fit for presentation. - I'm using OM2008/2009 now. Will this distribution still be maintained ? Should I switch ? How ? What will change, what do I have to learn/unlearn ? - What will happen with FSO ? Will development continue ? Will a distribution carry it ? - What will happen with Paroli ? Will development continue ? Will a distribution carry it ? - How will the kernel be maintained ? - Will Openmoko continue selling FreeRunners ? For how long ? - I have a purchase/return/warranty/etc. in progress with Openmoko Inc. or a distributor. What will happen ? - I have buzz/#1024/no bass/etc. Can I still get it fixed ? How ? - Will the Openmoko Internet resources, Wiki, mailing lists, SVN, git, downloads, people, trac, etc., be shut down ? - Will project B continue ? - What's the future of Open phone hardware without Openmoko Inc. ? Steve Mosher wrote: No, it will not impact the program. I just sealed the deal on that this morning! of course there are details to be worked out so watch this space. 1. we sent out instructions to all the disty a while back. 2. one of our North american partners had requested the package to perform the work ( like Dr. Ns program) 3. because of the layoff the mail went unanswered for a few days. 4. the disty wrote me directly and I hooked them up with sean who was on the matter in 5 minutes of my mail. 5. Sean has assigned a person to make this happen. I'm working with that disty to make sure that they benefit from Dr. Ns approach, so we dont re invent the wheel. I know you guys have been very patient with us. I trust you wont be disappointed. Finally, I would like to thank Dr. N for his tireless efforts and imagination in getting this done. And lets not forget david at Tuxbrain. A bunch of people tried things they have never done before to keep customers happy. Steve Lon Lentz wrote: Steve, Is this going to affect OM trying to find us Americans someone to implement all of the pending hardware fixes? On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Thanks Sean for the kind words and for the opportunity to do something unique. i spent some time thinking about how I want to organize the community responses. I have a list of FAQs from werner ( somewhere here in the pile of mail) and I want to solicit ideas from the community on what OM can do to support the community efforts. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:41:45 -0700 Jim Morris m...@e4net.com wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Jim Morris m...@e4net.com wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below) It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-) FYI... I followed the instructions, and ran the script from ssh using the install option and it runs out of memory... lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_36_75.qpf2 lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_10_50.qpf2 lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_21_75.qpf2 tar: write error: No space left on device if this happens, it doesn't mean out of memory, but out of disk space, which means you have many things installed that are not required. Probably you're using another kernel/rootfs and extra stuff. Simple action: clean up ... Yes I know that, but this was a clean install from the images I downloaded with no extra stuff installed, I couldn't install anything as only the kernel was running anyway. Have you tried the full install? The problem looks to me like having the tar file on the device uses too much room and you cannot de-tar it. I got around it by piping the tar over ssh. yes, I try that all the time. The tar.gz file is only 23 MB, so it should be no prob ... Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
I've tryed it too... no problems in the installation ;) On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:41:45 -0700 Jim Morris m...@e4net.com wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Jim Morris m...@e4net.com wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below) It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-) FYI... I followed the instructions, and ran the script from ssh using the install option and it runs out of memory... lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_36_75.qpf2 lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_10_50.qpf2 lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_21_75.qpf2 tar: write error: No space left on device if this happens, it doesn't mean out of memory, but out of disk space, which means you have many things installed that are not required. Probably you're using another kernel/rootfs and extra stuff. Simple action: clean up ... Yes I know that, but this was a clean install from the images I downloaded with no extra stuff installed, I couldn't install anything as only the kernel was running anyway. Have you tried the full install? The problem looks to me like having the tar file on the device uses too much room and you cannot de-tar it. I got around it by piping the tar over ssh. yes, I try that all the time. The tar.gz file is only 23 MB, so it should be no prob ... Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Community, To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an appropriate place in the wiki. Any takers? Hello Steve. - How will the kernel be maintained ? I'll ask for feedback about this in the kernel mailing list and help with the FAQ wiki page (If someone else wants to help also please by all means do). I'll send the email today. Nelson.- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Hi Nelson, Thanks good to hear from you. I really enjoyed the pictures you gave me from our last time together in Taipei. Anything you can do to help will be appreciated. Steve Nelson Castillo wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Community, To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an appropriate place in the wiki. Any takers? Hello Steve. - How will the kernel be maintained ? I'll ask for feedback about this in the kernel mailing list and help with the FAQ wiki page (If someone else wants to help also please by all means do). I'll send the email today. Nelson.- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon. I wouldn't be so much sure. Don't forget about GizmoForYou project with its Flow, as just an example: http://www.gizmoforyou.com/comment.php?comment.news.41 FreeRunner has a huge advantage of having the good community, but you shouldn't say that it's the only viable choice out there. -- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. SIPez LLC. SIP VoIP, IM and Presence Consulting http://www.SIPez.com tel: +1 (617) 273-4000 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: yes, I try that all the time. The tar.gz file is only 23 MB, so it should be no prob ... Ok well I tried again with exactly the same results... does your system have more disk? or are you using an sd card? I monitored the disk usage while it was untarring and it did run out of disk space... Just before it ran out... Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/root65536 64248 1288 98% / /dev/root65536 64248 1288 98% /dev/.static/dev udev 204840 2008 2% /dev tmpfs6038036 60344 0% /var/volatile tmpfs60380 0 60380 0% /dev/shm 1.2Mb left.. it started out at 39Mbytes before downloading qtmoko /dev/root65536 26304 39232 40% / /dev/root65536 26304 39232 40% /dev/.static/dev udev 204840 2008 2% /dev tmpfs6038036 60344 0% /var/volatile tmpfs60380 0 60380 0% /dev/shm Here were the steps... /qtmoko sudo dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2 /qtmoko sudo dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr6+9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12-r3-om-gta02.bin qtmoko scp qtmoko_install.sh om: ssh om sh ./qtmoko_install.sh install Just a sanity check, after a clean installation I have 39Mb free after downloading a 23Mb file we have 16Mb left, then we try to de tar that compressed file which has to be over 23mb, and of course we run out of disk space. I am wondering why I am the only one with this problem? I have an original gta02 which appears to have 65Mb of disk/flash Thanks -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:30:21AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon. I wouldn't be so much sure. Don't forget about GizmoForYou project with its Flow, as just an example: http://www.gizmoforyou.com/comment.php?comment.news.41 FreeRunner has a huge advantage of having the good community, but you shouldn't say that it's the only viable choice out there. Flow looks sleek, but what about it's commitment to Free Software? I really don't know, can you help me know more? Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Thanks Sean for this announcement! It's appreciated to get a status update from OM of things we've heard rumors of. I'm very happy that OM got this far with the phones: we have some tens of thousands (better guess anyone?) of Linux phones around the world, various open/free distros to run on the HW and means to communicate to make it better. I think OM was decent on the hardware side, it's a great achievement to have manufactured a open/free Linux-phone. Thank you for that, thank you everyone who worked on OM for this! In the future, it'll be interesting to see where gta02-core takes us, if there will be some other open hardware around to run the apps and distros we've created for neo1973 and Freerunner. I hope that the rest of the A7 freerunners will find to good hands, to good an enthusiastic developers to boost the community to get the most out of our hardware. On the software side, there has been some glitches and the community has been lacking the direction. At the moment I myself trust on OM2009 (who knows if there will be a SHR2009 with SHR and OM2009 together) and Paroli (Started by Openmoko and still being worked on by people from Openmoko, now also a community is involved that's growing all the time..). But I see that it's difficult for Openmoko to generate more income by writing software so concentrating on hardware seems like a smart choice, as long as there's a community to make the hardware useful with the software they create. Now as the community will go 'wild', I'd now, more than ever, like to see good leadership practices to organize and guide the community. If you ask me where OM failed, it's this: managing and leading the community. So I think we'd need some direction where to make people go, who don't know where to go. We have around 20 distros and phone apps - I wouldn't like to see this all break in small sub-projects that all do the same work and don't communicate, but one single big project that'd actually take us somewhere. I'd like to see some kind of democratic structure created to guide us somewhere where most of us want to go. http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/building-community-around-your-foss.html Thank you Openmoko, I wish you all the best with project B. Hope you generate enough money to roll out new open phones :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:30:21AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon. Don't forget about GizmoForYou project with its Flow, as just an example: http://www.gizmoforyou.com/comment.php?comment.news.41 Flow looks sleek, but what about it's commitment to Free Software? I really don't know, can you help me know more? The flow project itself seems pretty open, but it depends on gumsticks, which have closed hardware but seem to be widely supported by open software corresponding communities. It sounds an interesting project, and will be available much sooner than the gta02-core or 'future' work which we have started, although these OM / gta derivatives might have more potential in the longer term. I echo everyone elses thanks to Sean and the rest of the team that have had involvement with OM - you guys both achieved a lot, and did so openly in a way that gives us a platform to build from. Through the last couple of years and now, thanks for communicating as openly as you have. It's down to us now, and I look forward to both contributing myself, and benefiting from the contributions from the whole community. Dave ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Thanks Sean for this announcement! It's appreciated to get a status update from OM of things we've heard rumors of. I'm very happy that OM got this far with the phones: we have some tens of thousands (better guess anyone?) of Linux phones around the world, various open/free distros to run on the HW and means to communicate to make it better. I think OM was decent on the hardware side, it's a great achievement to have manufactured a open/free Linux-phone. Thank you for that, thank you everyone who worked on OM for this! ditto! :-) And also thanks for the commitments to opening up further details, designs and marks in support of the community, and providing the om.org infrastructure we're using. Now as the community will go 'wild', I'd now, more than ever, like to see good leadership practices to organize and guide the community. If you ask me where OM failed, it's this: managing and leading the community. So I think we'd need some direction where to make people go, who don't know where to go. We have around 20 distros and phone apps - I wouldn't like to see this all break in small sub-projects that all do the same work and don't communicate, but one single big project that'd actually take us somewhere. Diversity has it's advantage, though focus on a smaller number of projects has it's own benefits too. I think it's great that FSO has resulted in a stable platform that most of the current distros rely on and benefit from. While there remains interest in the current (or future) distros, my personal feeling is that we shouldn't try to kill one, in favour of another. They currently all have strengths and weaknesses, and the community as a whole gets strength from their diversity. We should collaborate on any common ground (kernel, fso?, illume?), and allow distributions to differentiate where they see appropriate. I think you are spot on though that we need to be better organised, and as individuals, communities and 'leaders' (if that's appropriate) have clear asperations and achievable objectives. Overall, I think clarity and sensible organisation will allow the community(ies) to flourish, while supporting as much diversity as the different sectors of our community want. Dave ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Dave Ball openm...@underhand.org wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:30:21AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon. Don't forget about GizmoForYou project with its Flow, as just an example: http://www.gizmoforyou.com/comment.php?comment.news.41 Flow looks sleek, but what about it's commitment to Free Software? I really don't know, can you help me know more? The flow project itself seems pretty open, but it depends on gumsticks, which have closed hardware but seem to be widely supported by open software corresponding communities. That's true. Gumstix open-sources expansion modules and connector specs, but base modules are kept proprietary. Flow project itself is pretty much open. IIRC schematics are open and software is open for sure (they target Android for now). It may be interesting to port OM to it to broaden hardware support and increase community volume. It sounds an interesting project, and will be available much sooner than the gta02-core or 'future' work which we have started, although these OM / gta derivatives might have more potential in the longer term. yeah. Also Flow's advantage is its modularity. On the other hand, I think Flow costs more then Freerunner. But we'll see how much gta02-core result will cost at the end. So, it's an interesting alternative and worth looking into, imho. -- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. SIPez LLC. SIP VoIP, IM and Presence Consulting http://www.SIPez.com tel: +1 (617) 273-4000 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Mailing list glitch?
I read Sean's message this morning, and was going to send a link for it to a friend who is off-list. So I went to the list's archive: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/048966.html As you can see, the version of Sean's message shown in the web archive has been almost entirely truncated. Has this bug been there all along? Does our community's collective memory have a hole in it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fundamental Qi question
On 2/06/2009 11:19 PM, arne anka wrote: how does one add additional kernel arguments, which according to the wiki is done by creating a file /boot/append-GTA0[123]? oops, sorry. i forgot, questioning qi is spreading fud and causing mail congestion ... Oh did I say that questioning Qi was spreading FUD and mail congestion? My apologies. I'll rephrase. Criticising features you know nothing about in a thread about a question you contributed nothing to is spreading FUD and causing mail congestion. There we go, back in your box. You're a feisty one aren't you? Rhetorical btw. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mailing list glitch?
2009/6/3 Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to: I read Sean's message this morning, and was going to send a link for it to a friend who is off-list. So I went to the list's archive: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/048966.html As you can see, the version of Sean's message shown in the web archive has been almost entirely truncated. Has this bug been there all along? Does our community's collective memory have a hole in it? i can't answer your question directly, but can suggest a workaround: have you looked at nabble? it mirrors the openmoko lists, and i think several others n2.nabble.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
a new keyboard - discuss and critique
apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/ i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything other than square keys? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.20
Hi, Warren Baird-2 wrote: Yeah, I could contribute some wallpapers - probably under a CC-Attrib-Share Alike license, if that's acceptable to you... Sure, whatever license that allows users to use them and lets me distribute them with the launcher. Actually, I just need a few (maybe 2 or 3). You could look at making a small wallpaper ipk that can be downloaded by the user from your site / opkg.org. That will give you more freedom and exposure. How about that? Warren Baird-2 wrote: And how do you feel about tasteful nudity? :-) Hah! I don't mind it at all. But maybe it would be better to have them as another ipk - to prevent offending some people. Warren Baird-2 wrote: I'm not sure about the scroll bar at the bottom to select the categories... I agree it's prettier - but it's also slower to find the category you want. Before it was always just two clicks, now it can be 'drag, drag, drag, click'... As I see it - these are the advantages :- * Almost infinite amount of categories * looks nicer / sexier and the disadvantages :- * slower * needs dragging and then a click * is it just me or the the dragging seems less responsive * Less Intuitive (maybe just me again) I have asked for feedback about the toolbar - but haven't really gotten much. I'm still not decided one way or the other - but I personally prefer the combo box / hover drop down - primarily because its faster. Warren Baird-2 wrote: also - I can't figure out how to edit the list of category in this version - how do I do that? Click on the configuration part of the toolbar (extreme right) and you'll get the preferences window. Warren Baird-2 wrote: Hmm - do you track when and how many times each app is launched? I'd love to see automatically populated categories for 'most recent' and 'most popular' or something like that... I'm not doing that yet - but I'll add it to my TODO. Thanks for all the feedback. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.20-tp2969146p3016483.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/ i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything other than square keys? Looks interesting! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
