Re: new qwerty keyboard, Literki
2009/6/17 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:04:22PM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/6/16 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm I gave it a shot and made a new keyboard. It's only 2 days old, but it's working well for me so I'm announcing it. I uploaded it on opkg.org. I fixed the layout a bit, and added support for xrandr (so it now rotates nicely and has a different layout for horizontal). The keyboard should not control this, but pay attention to XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent If the screen is rotated with xrandr, the keyboard will know. Right now, this is reason enough for me not to even try the keyboard as I run omnewrotate constantly :) Rui, that's exactly what it does, so it's safe to try :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Avoid duplicates on ML
On 17/06/2009 3:49 PM, Evgeniy Karyakin wrote: To avoid getting duplicates (when a person sends a mail To or Cc you and the list at the same time) one just needs to set his personal preferences (and for most ML it's default to avoid duplicates), for mailman it's described in [1]. [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node21.html More offtopic: how about not to start new thread with every mail from you? For reading this ML I use GMail web interface and ~95% of messages from you are shown as new threads despite that messages are obviously replies (contain other's quotations with multiple levels). Just a question/advice. This isn't the case under thunderbird. Assuming you still have the referenced emails this _shouldn't_ be the case. I've noticed some programs are better than others at tracking a thread. Of course I'm not saying this isn't happening to you, just that it doesn't happen here. I am a little surprised it breaks under gmail, though if somebody said they were using outlook web access I wouldn't batter an eyelid. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Warren Bairdwjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Woot - I'm trying the opkg update ; opkg upgrade approach now. I look forward to the improvements a lot. Nice, nice! Did you remember to remove ~/.e -directory? One question - is the 'bind-home' approach documented somewhere? Both google and searching on the wiki haven't helped me find info on how to set this up. I've actually got om2009 on my sd-card right now, so it isn't something I need right away - but I think I'm getting confident enough in OM2009 that I'll soon ditch the QtE install I've been keeping for 'emergencies' on the built-in flash. documented here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Installing If using on flash I have no idea how it works.. Enjoy your freedom and feel free to join #paroli to discuss more! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
Hi all , Just flash to help testing :) I really love paroli ! Better each release appearing :) Awesome! I found the same issue than Michal, not a real problem, but it's hard to scroll without clicking. Could you specify on what views (or all?) is this? BTW, with testing release 4 you could return into illume by changing the profile, but now I change profile to illume without any effect... is it still possible ? How to access to apps ? INteresting.. It should be no problem to change to illume or paroli-serenity theme.. I have no idea what's this about.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Warren Bairdwjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: but I'm not sure if that's related to the problem I'm seeing. Paroli itself seems pretty good. However, when I enable the paroli-illume theme, illume doesn't start up. So for the moment I can't get at any of the other apps on the phone without sshing in. That's weird.. I hope we'll be able to figure this out soon.. I like the fact that you can see where the buttons are now... However, I'm afraid that I don't particularly like showing the buttons with the four dots at the corners - I think it's kind of an odd way to display them. The dots will be removed, they're there to help the design a bit.. I'd still like to see a visual indication of 'slidyness' - when things can be slide to the side. I agree but I don't think it'll happen.. I'll have to do more testing before I can comment on the reliability. Great, looking forward! Enjoy your freedom and feel free to join #paroli to discuss more! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli SMS mockup image
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Warren Bairdwjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: there seems to be a minimalist trend in the current Paroli design. But frankly, I didn't buy a device with a nice 640x480 display to have a monochrome UI!! ;-) I can feel your pain! http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/paroli-background-images/ You can see my mockup at: http://www.synergisticimages.ca/media/Paroli_mockup.png Nice! I'd like to see someone implement a new theme for Paroli that'd include these colourful icons. So far I think the best looking UI for Openmoko has been this QT-stuff with black background and friendly, colourful icons. Let's see if at some stage Paroli has something of that.. - stole liberally from the Tango icon set. That's the way to do it :) - Added actual button-like images behind the buttons This is good! - adjusted the SMS display into a 'conversational' mode where all recent messages to and from a specific person are grouped together. Ah ok, so clickingn on the list item will open the SMS view, that's nice, I like it. What'd you think how to decide if a SMS belongs to a group or it's an individual msg? Nice to have you doing some designing for Paroli! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli SMS mockup image
oh, forgot, please add your mockup here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-themes -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli SMS mockup image
I like a lot your idea of conversational sms, I found it very usefull when I was using a Blackberry, but I might suggest to reduce identation a half or more from your proposal to gains more text space and allow two or tree identations levels. 2009/6/17 Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca: Hey all, I've finally spent some time (when I should have been sleeping) and put together a rather rough mockup showing a bit of how I'd like to see the Paroli UI looking. I'm not sure how great a reception this'll get, since I there seems to be a minimalist trend in the current Paroli design. But frankly, I didn't buy a device with a nice 640x480 display to have a monochrome UI!! ;-) You can see my mockup at: http://www.synergisticimages.ca/media/Paroli_mockup.png Few comments on what I did: - fired up the gimp -- I definitely don't have time to figure out how to do all this stuff in edje, I'm afraid... - stole liberally from the Tango icon set. - Added actual button-like images behind the buttons - adjusted the SMS display into a 'conversational' mode where all recent messages to and from a specific person are grouped together. Comments and counter-suggestions definitely welcome!!! Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
2009/6/17 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Michal Brzozowskiruso...@poczta.fm wrote: I found two problems so far. 1. When waking up from suspend while in horizontal mode, there is garbage on the screen and it's unusable. Can you take a photo to show it? Sure, http://pvtrace.com/P6170618.JPG It's a photo of an incoming call waking up the phone in landscape mode. 2. It's impossible to scroll in paroli, it's too sensitive and you always end up pressing a button What screen? Settings might still have some issues but the other should have it working pretty well.. All screens in settings. Other screens in Paroli seem ok (tested phone log so far only) 3. Paroli doesn't support horizontal mode too well. That's be the third problem, you only promised two :) But yes, it's true that when it's been designed, the horizontal mode has not been kept in mind (actually I think ~no one has tested it before you..). So possibly some work will be done there in the future.. Other than that it's pretty stable, good job! I agree :) Just a few more issues :-) 4. I don't see a way to reject an incoming call. 5. The battery meter in illume is broken, it shows 33% when the battery is full, now it's showing 28%, while it should be showing 88%. 6. The phone sometimes goes to sleep while connected via USB, happened to me twice so far, but can't reproduce. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
2009/6/7 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com Well, i've compiled this against SHR-Unstable. Hence the error and the effort required to link to e libraries. You'll need to upgrade to unstable - which BTW is not unstable for me - and I'm using the FR as my primary phone. e-libs are now *-ver-svn-02* in latest unstable, and launcher doesn't start. Would you build it, please, or should i make symlinks? -- jahckal http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/w_c_fields.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Michal Brzozowskiruso...@poczta.fm wrote: Sure, http://pvtrace.com/P6170618.JPG It's a photo of an incoming call waking up the phone in landscape mode. looks bad! Please report to http://www.paroli-project.org/trac 2. It's impossible to scroll in paroli, it's too sensitive and you always end up pressing a button What screen? Settings might still have some issues but the other should have it working pretty well.. All screens in settings. Other screens in Paroli seem ok (tested phone log so far only) right, could you report this too to http://www.paroli-project.org/trac Just a few more issues :-) 4. I don't see a way to reject an incoming call. could you report this too to http://www.paroli-project.org/trac 5. The battery meter in illume is broken, it shows 33% when the battery is full, now it's showing 28%, while it should be showing 88%. Did you delete /home/root/.e -dir - this should have been fixed already.. 6. The phone sometimes goes to sleep while connected via USB, happened to me twice so far, but can't reproduce. Yes, it's a bug and there's a workaround: - work around unplug usb until LED goes out, then plug usb in ( need to keep the device awake by touching the screen until the LED comes back on) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Avoid duplicates on ML
Evgeniy Karyakin anthropophag...@gmail.com writes: To avoid getting duplicates (when a person sends a mail To or Cc you and the list at the same time) one just needs to set his personal preferences (and for most ML it's default to avoid duplicates), for mailman it's described in [1]. [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node21.html More offtopic: how about not to start new thread with every mail from you? For reading this ML I use GMail web interface and ~95% of messages from you are shown as new threads despite that messages are obviously replies (contain other's quotations with multiple levels). Just a question/advice. I've checked headers in my mails several times wrt this. And also checked that my mails are threaded properly in gmane webinterface, gmane nntp interface and pipermail mailing list archives. If you have a particular suggestion (mentioning examples of wrong headers in mails from me) don't hesistate to express. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new qwerty keyboard, Literki
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 08:07:51AM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/6/17 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:04:22PM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/6/16 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm I gave it a shot and made a new keyboard. It's only 2 days old, but it's working well for me so I'm announcing it. I uploaded it on opkg.org. I fixed the layout a bit, and added support for xrandr (so it now rotates nicely and has a different layout for horizontal). The keyboard should not control this, but pay attention to XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent If the screen is rotated with xrandr, the keyboard will know. Right now, this is reason enough for me not to even try the keyboard as I run omnewrotate constantly :) Rui, that's exactly what it does, so it's safe to try :-) Ah, nice! So then I might try it out later tonight :) Rui -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 08:48:48AM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/6/17 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Michal Brzozowskiruso...@poczta.fm wrote: I found two problems so far. 1. When waking up from suspend while in horizontal mode, there is garbage on the screen and it's unusable. Can you take a photo to show it? Sure, http://pvtrace.com/P6170618.JPG It's a photo of an incoming call waking up the phone in landscape mode. Yeah, sometimes it happens to me. I don't know if I'm missing anything in omnewrotate that should be added in order to never let that happen, or if it is a driver bug with xrandr :( usually putting in portrait then landscape mode again (sometimes it even requires a few retries) shows it correctly. But all I do is xrandr calls... -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli SMS mockup image
snip Ah ok, so clickingn on the list item will open the SMS view, that's nice, I like it. What'd you think how to decide if a SMS belongs to a group or it's an individual msg? snip For replies made in the phone i supose is trivial,in incomming messages, I don't know if there is any PDU field that can be used as referrer. to follow the conversantion, or the device might gess trhough sender+time -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Better handling of AUX and POWER buttons
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Nicola Mfbnicola@gmail.com wrote: [...] About my experiments I just discovered that some applications simply refuse to process XSendEvents for security reasons. This is bad, as using X you may differentiate virtual injected keys events based on the destination applications, so AUX may trigger enter to one, F11 to another and so on. As of that I think we need to filter events at input lever layer (other ideas or solutions are welcome of course). I just found XTestFakeKeyEvent, it should work, so another solution may be a daemon that grabs Aux and Power buttons, handle them and injects key events. The daemon may ask the WM for the active window, retrieve it's displayed name and differentiate key injection according to a configuration file. Il try to contact Theodoros Kalamatianos, the author of actkbd [1] to ask him for the support for such complex key shortcut, as it's daemon already has keyboard event injection and use 2.6 linux event interface. Theodoros has no time actually, but he's interested in such improvements and promised to give a try in few weeks. Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
2009/6/17 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Michal Brzozowskiruso...@poczta.fm wrote: Sure, http://pvtrace.com/P6170618.JPG It's a photo of an incoming call waking up the phone in landscape mode. looks bad! Please report to http://www.paroli-project.org/trac Are you sure I should report it to Paroli? It's probably a driver problem. 2. It's impossible to scroll in paroli, it's too sensitive and you always end up pressing a button What screen? Settings might still have some issues but the other should have it working pretty well.. All screens in settings. Other screens in Paroli seem ok (tested phone log so far only) right, could you report this too to http://www.paroli-project.org/trac done 4. I don't see a way to reject an incoming call. could you report this too to http://www.paroli-project.org/trac done 5. The battery meter in illume is broken, it shows 33% when the battery is full, now it's showing 28%, while it should be showing 88%. Did you delete /home/root/.e -dir - this should have been fixed already.. This was a fresh install, so shouldn't have to delete anything. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Avoid duplicates on ML (was: Re: Fundamental Qi question)
El Wednesday, 17 de June de 2009 07:49:16 Evgeniy Karyakin va escriure: More offtopic: how about not to start new thread with every mail from you? For reading this ML I use GMail web interface and ~95% of messages from you are shown as new threads despite that messages are obviously replies (contain other's quotations with multiple levels). Just a question/advice. The problem is that gmail web interface don't follow the threads they fake them using Subject instead of the correct headers In-Reply-To and References. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
Hi! Its nice to read all this positive comments so far! Almost all question was answered by Risto. I just want to give a small summary. # Landscape vs. portrai mode It is not a high priority (for me at least) for now. Simply because until now, I couldnt rotate the screen of my phone, and couldnt test it. We are concentrating to bugfix only, and after the stable release is out, we will focus cleaning up all the gui code, and fix most of the placing issue. For example there is a slight offset between fullscreen and windowed mode, we cant just hide the topbar, etc, etc. And when rotating, all this placing issues just show up all at once. So its rather a big job, as I see. # Battery showing 33% when full. Its a problem what shr is suffering too. The main issue, that three battery are reported, and the batt app, averaging them. It should be fixed already, but nytowl can give you the exact details. # Scrolling Most of the apps, are designed against the accidental clicks when scrolling. Like for example the call-log app, when you click it will slide left for you, instead calling the contact directly. However, the settings app differ from the other apps, and it register an additional click each time you finish scrolling. I looked into this issue, and its hard to solve, as I need to understand the py code, because it differs from other list too much. Dont know if Im able to solve it by myself in a reasonable time. Every other apps should be fine. (call-log, people, sms, dialer) 4. I don't see a way to reject an incoming call. You can only mute them. Yepp, its missing. But before, if you didnt accepted the call, fso silently failed, so it was encouraged, that everybody should pick up the phone ;-P I agree, it needs to be fixed. But you can use the mute for now. # General remark Guys, did you restart your phones at least twice after reflashing? Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
Oh, and there is a rather nasty bug: Sometime the phonebook gets erased, or some of the contacts. It is supposed to be fixed in this release, can somebody alert us, if he loose some of his contacts? And exact steps to reproduce it, would be highly appreciated. Thanks, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com writes: # Battery showing 33% when full. Its a problem what shr is suffering too. The main issue, that three battery are reported, and the batt app, averaging them. It's a problem of both hal and the way E gadget calculates the percentages. HAL reports three batteries, only one of which is real power_supply device, other being APM emulated battery and the third is external usb supply. It's believed that hal is wrong and shouldn't report those extra batteries. OTOH if E gadget didn't average percentages and took capacities into account those extra devices wouldn't affect readings because both usb and apm lack maximum capacity attribute and therefore should be ignored, IMHO. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Michal Brzozowskiruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2009/6/17 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Michal Brzozowskiruso...@poczta.fm wrote: Sure, http://pvtrace.com/P6170618.JPG It's a photo of an incoming call waking up the phone in landscape mode. looks bad! Please report to http://www.paroli-project.org/trac Are you sure I should report it to Paroli? It's probably a driver problem. You're right! Some hours after writing this (in the bus :) I realised that no, it has nothing to do with Paroli but Openmoko, the distribution. So this is the correct trac: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac (but I think it's already in somewhere there as there've been earlier some problems too with xrandr..) 5. The battery meter in illume is broken, it shows 33% when the battery is full, now it's showing 28%, while it should be showing 88%. Did you delete /home/root/.e -dir - this should have been fixed already.. This was a fresh install, so shouldn't have to delete anything. Ok, you're right, fresh install should have this working out of the box. I think this was fixed already a while ago but it seems to be back again.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Hi all , Just flash to help testing :) I really love paroli ! Better each release appearing :) Awesome! I found the same issue than Michal, not a real problem, but it's hard to scroll without clicking. Could you specify on what views (or all?) is this? for the people view, it's ok, scrolling nicely without clicking, but in the settings menu, I put my finger on item A, then scroll up/down, when I release it, the item A is automatically clicked. BTW, with testing release 4 you could return into illume by changing the profile, but now I change profile to illume without any effect... is it still possible ? How to access to apps ? INteresting.. It should be no problem to change to illume or paroli-serenity theme.. I have no idea what's this about.. Accually it was a first shot problem, after reboot, no pb selecting paroli-serenity (which look great to me !) Maybe a button to put paroli in fullscreen mode would be more useful than changing the profile ? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new qwerty keyboard, Literki
Hi Michal, Great idea! I was wondering... it would be much more comfortable to type letters, if keyboard would be full screen (i have big hands). Yes, i know it would be harder to read, but letters of the keyboard itself could be transparent too. Consider it Michael, and thanks for your contribution. P.S. I am waiting for Polish diacritic signs ;) -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
Hi Woot - I'm trying the opkg update ; opkg upgrade approach now. I look forward to the improvements a lot. In case there's anybody as stupid as me out there, don't try that from within the Illume vala-terminal :-) Did you remember to remove ~/.e -directory? cu *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get buzz fix in Australia
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:52:24 pm Denis Johnson wrote: I have a GTA02 V5 one of the first group purchases into Australia and I would like to know if anyone in Australia is planning a buzz fix party or if there is somewhere overseas I can send my Freerunner to get fixed. I guess the first question to ask yourself is do I have the buzz problem ? I've been really happy with mine in the UK, US and here in Australia and nobody has complained about any buzzing (yet). I think I'd only consider this if it was causing me problems.. Just my 2c! Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-unstable] packages for canola media player
same bug here.. r...@om-gta02 ~ $ canola Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/canola, line 293, in module mc = MainController(ee, os.path.realpath(options.theme)) File canola-core/main/controller.py, line 263, in __init__ File canola-core/main/controller.py, line 572, in show_notify AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'view' r...@om-gta02 ~ $ and i also saw two deprecation-warnings with the md5-module.. i tried hashlib instdead (like it said) and it was working also.. now, after some updates on system, the whole thing doesn't work anymore.. :s Am Mittwoch, 17. Juni 2009 05.32:56 schrieb undrwater: I still can't run from my device: canola Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/canola, line 293, in module mc = MainController(ee, os.path.realpath(options.theme)) File /usr/share/canola/plugins/canola-core.zip/canola-core/main/controller.py, line 263, in __init__ File /usr/share/canola/plugins/canola-core.zip/canola-core/main/controller.py, line 572, in show_notify AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'view' This is a fresh install of the latest shr-unstable with the canola feed added. Any ideas? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli SMS mockup image
I wasn't thinking of actually providing indentation as in a threaded discussion - my intent was that messages from other people are left justified and messages I sent are right justified - I think that's the way the treo 650 sms program did it. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:27 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: I like a lot your idea of conversational sms, I found it very usefull when I was using a Blackberry, but I might suggest to reduce identation a half or more from your proposal to gains more text space and allow two or tree identations levels. 2009/6/17 Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca: Hey all, I've finally spent some time (when I should have been sleeping) and put together a rather rough mockup showing a bit of how I'd like to see the Paroli UI looking. I'm not sure how great a reception this'll get, since I there seems to be a minimalist trend in the current Paroli design.But frankly, I didn't buy a device with a nice 640x480 display to have a monochrome UI!! ;-) You can see my mockup at: http://www.synergisticimages.ca/media/Paroli_mockup.png Few comments on what I did: - fired up the gimp -- I definitely don't have time to figure out how to do all this stuff in edje, I'm afraid... - stole liberally from the Tango icon set. - Added actual button-like images behind the buttons - adjusted the SMS display into a 'conversational' mode where all recent messages to and from a specific person are grouped together. Comments and counter-suggestions definitely welcome!!! Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli SMS mockup image
yeah, I think that trying to build a formal discussion thread is probably too much. My thought was that basically any msgs from the same sender in a certain period of time of the last message from that sender (configurable - at least an hour, I'd think) would be grouped into the same conversation. I forgot, but there should be a 'new message' button somewhere in the bubble for each conversation, that sends a reply to the person the conversation is with. Don't know how it's best to handle messages sent to multiple recipients - I guess they each spawn separate conversation threads? Warren On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 3:39 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: snip Ah ok, so clickingn on the list item will open the SMS view, that's nice, I like it. What'd you think how to decide if a SMS belongs to a group or it's an individual msg? snip For replies made in the phone i supose is trivial,in incomming messages, I don't know if there is any PDU field that can be used as referrer. to follow the conversantion, or the device might gess trhough sender+time -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Avoid duplicates on ML (was: Re: Fundamental Qi question)
. El Wednesday, 17 de June de 2009 07:49:16 Evgeniy Karyakin va escriure: More offtopic: how about not to start new thread with every mail from you? For reading this ML I use GMail web interface and ~95% of messages from you are shown as new threads despite that messages are obviously replies (contain other's quotations with multiple levels). Just a question/advice. The problem is that gmail web interface don't follow the threads they fake them using Subject instead of the correct headers In-Reply-To and References. Exactly what I just discovered looking at raw email headers and Subject fields. Thanks Jose, apologies to Paul and curses to Google. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 01:52:20PM +0200, Steven Le Roux wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Hi all , Just flash to help testing :) I really love paroli ! Better each release appearing :) Awesome! Yes, indeed. But it is still very slow in some aspects, however I prefer they work on functionality and stability at the moment :) I found the same issue than Michal, not a real problem, but it's hard to scroll without clicking. Could you specify on what views (or all?) is this? for the people view, it's ok, scrolling nicely without clicking, but in the settings menu, I put my finger on item A, then scroll up/down, when I release it, the item A is automatically clicked. Yes, it's very hard to navigate in the settings area. Maybe the list of items is not being created the same way? BTW, with testing release 4 you could return into illume by changing the profile, but now I change profile to illume without any effect... is it still possible ? How to access to apps ? INteresting.. It should be no problem to change to illume or paroli-serenity theme.. I have no idea what's this about.. Accually it was a first shot problem, after reboot, no pb selecting paroli-serenity (which look great to me !) Maybe a button to put paroli in fullscreen mode would be more useful than changing the profile ? I agree, it should be click full screen / click non-full screen. Now that the settings have abandoned the AUX button, maybe paroli could capture it for that? Rui -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli SMS mockup image
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Ah ok, so clickingn on the list item will open the SMS view, that's nice, I like it. What'd you think how to decide if a SMS belongs to a group or it's an individual msg? I more or less mentioned that below - but I think it'd be based on the time and the sender. I've add my screenshot to the themes page. Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
I prefer the aux for other isues like keyboard in out and long press for something else(not sure of what righ now) 2009/6/17 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 01:52:20PM +0200, Steven Le Roux wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Hi all , Just flash to help testing :) I really love paroli ! Better each release appearing :) Awesome! Yes, indeed. But it is still very slow in some aspects, however I prefer they work on functionality and stability at the moment :) I found the same issue than Michal, not a real problem, but it's hard to scroll without clicking. Could you specify on what views (or all?) is this? for the people view, it's ok, scrolling nicely without clicking, but in the settings menu, I put my finger on item A, then scroll up/down, when I release it, the item A is automatically clicked. Yes, it's very hard to navigate in the settings area. Maybe the list of items is not being created the same way? BTW, with testing release 4 you could return into illume by changing the profile, but now I change profile to illume without any effect... is it still possible ? How to access to apps ? INteresting.. It should be no problem to change to illume or paroli-serenity theme.. I have no idea what's this about.. Accually it was a first shot problem, after reboot, no pb selecting paroli-serenity (which look great to me !) Maybe a button to put paroli in fullscreen mode would be more useful than changing the profile ? I agree, it should be click full screen / click non-full screen. Now that the settings have abandoned the AUX button, maybe paroli could capture it for that? Rui -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
But you don't need the keyboard in the main paroli window :) Being only two buttons, they shouldn't ever be hardwired to specific functions, but instead have different actions according to the foreground application. Rui On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 03:15:41PM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: I prefer the aux for other isues like keyboard in out and long press for something else(not sure of what righ now) 2009/6/17 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 01:52:20PM +0200, Steven Le Roux wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Accually it was a first shot problem, after reboot, no pb selecting paroli-serenity (which look great to me !) Maybe a button to put paroli in fullscreen mode would be more useful than changing the profile ? I agree, it should be click full screen / click non-full screen. Now that the settings have abandoned the AUX button, maybe paroli could capture it for that? -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new qwerty keyboard, Literki
RTF config file :-), you can set the keyboard size in there. Polish or other diacritic signs are not high on the list as I don't use them :-) 2009/6/17 Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl Hi Michal, Great idea! I was wondering... it would be much more comfortable to type letters, if keyboard would be full screen (i have big hands). Yes, i know it would be harder to read, but letters of the keyboard itself could be transparent too. Consider it Michael, and thanks for your contribution. P.S. I am waiting for Polish diacritic signs ;) -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
one button ui
Hi Being only two buttons, they shouldn't ever be hardwired to specific functions, but instead have different actions according to the foreground application. It's only two buttons, but they send a signal each second. It may sound weird, but I think I wouldnt mind having a different function under every second - provided the button would beep every second while pressed too, so I could countdown. I'd put the keyboard toggle at beep 3. For example. I got that idea while looking at siglaunchd http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Siglaunchd which can do all that (and more). and I tried to set it up, but didnt get a BEEP working sofar :-) Does anyone know how to beep() ? $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
2009/6/17 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Michal Brzozowskiruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 5. The battery meter in illume is broken, it shows 33% when the battery is full, now it's showing 28%, while it should be showing 88%. Did you delete /home/root/.e -dir - this should have been fixed already.. This was a fresh install, so shouldn't have to delete anything. Ok, you're right, fresh install should have this working out of the box. I think this was fixed already a while ago but it seems to be back again.. Ok, while we're at it. I just went to Paroli settings - display and set the profile to illume-serenity. It looked very nice, black and everything, and the battery applet was showing the state correctly (!). But the illume keyboard was back again, and I couldn't turn it off as the illume-settings button was now gone. So I switched back to illume profile. I then went to illume-settings, switched the theme to Serenity. Now I have Serenity again, the illume keyboard is turned off again (yay), the battery app shows the state wrong (!), and Paroli settings say that the theme is still Illume. I don't understand anything from this, why is Paroli duplicating the options from illume-settings? And a more general question, is Paroli trying to be more than a phone app? Is it going to replace illume? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Paroli SMS mockup image
I really like the idea Grouping to threads by number is really useful as it has something of a chat-like conservation I would like to see a optically simpler implementation without colorful icons though 2009/6/17 Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Ah ok, so clickingn on the list item will open the SMS view, that's nice, I like it. What'd you think how to decide if a SMS belongs to a group or it's an individual msg? I more or less mentioned that below - but I think it'd be based on the time and the sender. I've add my screenshot to the themes page. Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
I flashed Om2009 r5 as well an can confirm most of the described problems. In addition I have the problem that switching of suspend from paroli (i assume this is done by setting suspend time to -1), as well as in illume does not have any effect. The same when i set up no dimming in the illume power settings. I dont remember exactly if this was working in r4 but I think it was. Besides that you have done a great work so far! Thanks guys! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Om2009-testing-release-5-tp3087682p3094095.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem with package built with my OE environment
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 23:24 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:27:22PM +0200, GNUtoo wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 08:19 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:19:07AM +0200, GNUtoo wrote: Then I decided to try fso-testing (argh, another two days compiling), and I was unpleaseantly surprised to see the same error. What could I be doing wrong? Any suggestions? Rui hi, you seem wanting to install the ipk without its dependencies. personally I do bitbake package-index,then I push my deploy dir to my server-router. Then I do opkg update on the device and install the package with opkg install $package-name Denis. Yes, that part I understood, but it is the very first time something like this happened to me. Why isn't it using the proper versions? There are several possibilities: *or the dependences aren't included in fso Hardly. it's fso-testing or fso-unstable and the phone had a daily image. *or you use a more up to date fso version than the released one(in openembedded) How do you get a more up to date? Makes no sense. However it seems it's picking up svn elementary and other E libs. What is the environment I should use? Am I not neither on unstable nor testing if using Om2009.06.11 daily? This doesn't make sense, what about if I want to distribute the ipk? What will happen when I want to make a new omnewrotate ipk? The same? For me this means my environment is borked :( Rui Maybe just distribute the dependencies with the ipks? or...better ask openembedded or fso or SHR to include your recipe. Makes no sense as: 1. it's not supposed to carry all the subversion files but some more or less stable releases 2. why would I send a recipe for software that is so much in development I may need to add libraries at will? I don't know the process for fso or SHR but for openembedded the preferred way is to send a patch to the mailing list then ask fso,shr etc... to include your application in your feed,it's just a mather of adding the name of your application to the task making the feed. How can that make sense with an application that's still being developed and not yet stable enough for a release? :( You may want to ask help on the openembedded mailing list then. There was some breakage with the enlightenment libraries some time ago. I didn't understood very well the technical part of the whole story(there were a fix that didn't work,breaking upgrade paths etc...and it was very complicated...not all of us understood it) by the way I only saw svn versions of the enlightenment libraries in org.openenembedded.dev Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr-testing] intone 0.51 messing around with audio output
ill try and explain this the best i can. just a moment ago i was listening to an album of the sd card via my headphones. intone played a complete song perfectly fine, but when intone switched to the next song in the playlist the audio cut out from the right headphone speaker and my mokos left speaker was activated. so suddenly my whole office herd a blip of a strange chinese woman singing... the last version i had, i believe it was 0.1 managed to play song to song entirely via the headphones. so i am wondering what has happened? is it a new issue? is there a previous version that is more up-to-date that does not do this? version installed http://www.opkg.org/packages/intone_0.51_arm.ipk - jeremy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
On June 16, 2009 04:44:22 pm Warren Baird wrote: Woot - I'm trying the opkg update ; opkg upgrade approach now. I look forward to the improvements a lot. One question - is the 'bind-home' approach documented somewhere? Both google and searching on the wiki haven't helped me find info on how to set this up. I've actually got om2009 on my sd-card right now, so it isn't something I need right away - but I think I'm getting confident enough in OM2009 that I'll soon ditch the QtE install I've been keeping for 'emergencies' on the built-in flash. Warren To get bind-home to work Make sure there isn't a bind-home directory first ls /media/card/bind-hone If this exists you are already using bind-home, otherwise keep following the directions below mv /home/root /media/card/bind-home mkdir /home/root reboot Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
The same for me: flashed the current images yesterday in the evening. kernel, rootfs and qi. main problems: - I could not switch off auto-suspend. - after pressing the power-button to resume all I get is a wsod :( So the phone was just usable one minute after a too long boot-period and then a brick. A question: How reliable is wifi-networking and gprs? any experiences? Carry on that way, it's always good to see, something is developing around here! :) Matthias MicVM schrieb: I flashed Om2009 r5 as well an can confirm most of the described problems. In addition I have the problem that switching of suspend from paroli (i assume this is done by setting suspend time to -1), as well as in illume does not have any effect. The same when i set up no dimming in the illume power settings. I dont remember exactly if this was working in r4 but I think it was. Besides that you have done a great work so far! Thanks guys! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
on., 17.06.2009 kl. 10.09 -0700, skrev MicVM: In addition I have the problem that switching of suspend from paroli (i assume this is done by setting suspend time to -1), as well as in illume does not have any effect. The same when i set up no dimming in the illume power settings. I dont remember exactly if this was working in r4 but I think it was. I've filed a ticket about the suspend-time bug at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2296 It was working on testing release 4. As a workaround I've commented out the following in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: # - # trigger: IdleState() # filters: HasAttr(status, suspend) # actions: Suspend() signature.asc Description: Dette er en digitalt signert meldingsdel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:08 PM, matthiasmatthiasfels...@web.de wrote: The same for me: flashed the current images yesterday in the evening. kernel, rootfs and qi. main problems: - I could not switch off auto-suspend. - after pressing the power-button to resume all I get is a wsod :( So the phone was just usable one minute after a too long boot-period and then a brick. Sounds bad :( Did you RESTART the phone after flashing and first boot? A question: How reliable is wifi-networking and gprs? any experiences? Both seem to work nice. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 5
2009/6/17 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org But you don't need the keyboard in the main paroli window :) Being only two buttons, they shouldn't ever be hardwired to specific functions, but instead have different actions according to the foreground application. Rui +1 I like the idea of context use of AUX, now just need to define thats contexts :) On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 03:15:41PM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: I prefer the aux for other isues like keyboard in out and long press for something else(not sure of what righ now) 2009/6/17 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 01:52:20PM +0200, Steven Le Roux wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Accually it was a first shot problem, after reboot, no pb selecting paroli-serenity (which look great to me !) Maybe a button to put paroli in fullscreen mode would be more useful than changing the profile ? I agree, it should be click full screen / click non-full screen. Now that the settings have abandoned the AUX button, maybe paroli could capture it for that? -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
US triband vs EU triband
I just confirmed basic functionality of 850/1800/1900 devices (US Freerunner) for 900MHz networks. RF sensitivity is poor, but sufficient for areas with good coverage. For Germany a US device (850/1800/1900) worked flawlessly with German operator T-Kom (in urban area), and rather poor with Vodafone. Both are 900MHz networks. Please notice I didn't yet check for the actual band used, so *if* T-Kom *and* Vodafone both had 1800MHz BTS here in the tested area, then this report might be moot. Anyway the result meets expected behaviour and 1800MHz BTS are not known for either operator. cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
if only i had inverted triangle shaped fingers! On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Vibhav Sharma khoonir...@gmail.com wrote: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:51:50 +0200 Mathieu Rochette math...@gmail.com said: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM, neove...@freerunner spa...@ymail.com wrote: There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together inverted to each other? The article says that each triangular key has significantly more dead space around it than you’d find on a standard Qwerty layout. Consequently, users are more likely to press the correct key each time they tap. IMO, he is just trying to make easy money, he claims that his patented technology is s cool and ask apple to help him. meaning : paying to use this. I haven't try to look further, so I may be wrong, maybe triangle key really improve error rate. agreed - not on a touchscreen. on a physical kbd... maybe, as you are more likely to be able to feel were the key is as you have 2 edges (left and right) closer and more likey to be under 1 fingertip and feelable. but absolutely not a touchscreen. For Comparision sakes, illustrated a key-press on both. I really don't see any advantage ... or is it just me. -- Vibhav Sharma ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:56 PM, jeremy jozwikjerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: if only i had inverted triangle shaped fingers! I'd like to see your square shaped fingers :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new qwerty keyboard, Literki
is there anyway to end literki other than opening a new instance of it and waiting for it to crash? 2009/6/17 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm RTF config file :-), you can set the keyboard size in there. Polish or other diacritic signs are not high on the list as I don't use them :-) 2009/6/17 Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl Hi Michal, Great idea! I was wondering... it would be much more comfortable to type letters, if keyboard would be full screen (i have big hands). Yes, i know it would be harder to read, but letters of the keyboard itself could be transparent too. Consider it Michael, and thanks for your contribution. P.S. I am waiting for Polish diacritic signs ;) -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:new qwerty keyboard, Literki
Literki is very promising keyboard. I have one suggestion: ButtonPress
- ButtonRelease. Typing is still fast but you can 'cancel' if you
realized pressing wrong area.
keys.cpp:153
- case ButtonPress: {
+ case ButtonRelease: {
display:206
- ButtonPressMask |
+ ButtonPressMask | ButtonReleaseMask |
I think there should be project page for Literki. Just screenshot and
default literki.conf with explanation is a good start (binary+sources
of course)
-Aapo Rantalainen
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Re: new qwerty keyboard, Literki
Hit the desktop icon again runs 'killall literki'. W dniu 17 czerwca 2009 23:23 użytkownik jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com napisał: is there anyway to end literki other than opening a new instance of it and waiting for it to crash? 2009/6/17 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm RTF config file :-), you can set the keyboard size in there. Polish or other diacritic signs are not high on the list as I don't use them :-) 2009/6/17 Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl Hi Michal, Great idea! I was wondering... it would be much more comfortable to type letters, if keyboard would be full screen (i have big hands). Yes, i know it would be harder to read, but letters of the keyboard itself could be transparent too. Consider it Michael, and thanks for your contribution. P.S. I am waiting for Polish diacritic signs ;) -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] new cupcake image
ny news with this cupcake image? I'm very interested in... please let me know d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?
all of those applications exist. some of those features have multiple applications to choose from. the only thing i am not sure about yet is sync of a calendar to a desktop system. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be wrote: Hello, I need a GSM cell phone to replace my Palm Z22 PDA. I use Speak Out Wireless (prepaid) in the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada. I do not have a data plan. I am wondering whether a FreeRunner will work well for me. I am currently using a Nokia 6103b. I need all of these features: * a *reliable* phone for SMS and brief voice calls. The FreeRunner would be my primary phone, not only a toy. * tasks/todo lists (including tasks with and without alarms, recurring and non-recurring tasks, tasks with and without due dates, tasks with and without attached notes) * I need a calender to choose dates like on Palm OS. I do not want a date chooser like on my Nokia 6103b. * calendar (I enter all of my appointments, work holidays, and other dates I want to remember, then the Agenda/overview screen of the Calendar/Datebook (?) Palm OS application shows upcoming events in the next 2 weeks or so. I want something similar on a phone. I need support for recurring events and events on a certain day but with no time.) * textual notes (so I don’t have to keep track of lots of paper notes), * a calculator with features comparable to the Palm OS application EasyCalc * enough storage for SMS messages so I never have to delete old SMS messages. I never have to delete old e-mail, so why should I have to delete old SMS messages? I have to keep deleting old SMS messages on my Nokia 6103b because it does not have enough storage. Not required but would be nice: * a drawing/painting application Will a FreeRunner work well for me? Thanks, Brolin -- Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: http://xkcd.com/222/ “What if there were no hypothetical questions?” — George Carlin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?
the only thing you may want to be aware of is the battery life. which is in the best sense... not so great On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.comwrote: all of those applications exist. some of those features have multiple applications to choose from. the only thing i am not sure about yet is sync of a calendar to a desktop system. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be wrote: Hello, I need a GSM cell phone to replace my Palm Z22 PDA. I use Speak Out Wireless (prepaid) in the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada. I do not have a data plan. I am wondering whether a FreeRunner will work well for me. I am currently using a Nokia 6103b. I need all of these features: * a *reliable* phone for SMS and brief voice calls. The FreeRunner would be my primary phone, not only a toy. * tasks/todo lists (including tasks with and without alarms, recurring and non-recurring tasks, tasks with and without due dates, tasks with and without attached notes) * I need a calender to choose dates like on Palm OS. I do not want a date chooser like on my Nokia 6103b. * calendar (I enter all of my appointments, work holidays, and other dates I want to remember, then the Agenda/overview screen of the Calendar/Datebook (?) Palm OS application shows upcoming events in the next 2 weeks or so. I want something similar on a phone. I need support for recurring events and events on a certain day but with no time.) * textual notes (so I don’t have to keep track of lots of paper notes), * a calculator with features comparable to the Palm OS application EasyCalc * enough storage for SMS messages so I never have to delete old SMS messages. I never have to delete old e-mail, so why should I have to delete old SMS messages? I have to keep deleting old SMS messages on my Nokia 6103b because it does not have enough storage. Not required but would be nice: * a drawing/painting application Will a FreeRunner work well for me? Thanks, Brolin -- Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: http://xkcd.com/222/ “What if there were no hypothetical questions?” — George Carlin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?
1. Are there applications with all of the specific features I listed, though? My Nokia 6103b has some basic organiser applications, such as for calender and task lists, but it does not have all of the features I listed. I can live without PC sync as long as my information is safe in my FreeRunner (stored in non-volatile memory in case the battery dies). I do not even have my Nokia 6103b synced with my PC because I cannot get Nokia PC Suite to connect to my phone via Bluetooth. I have to use Bluetooth because I do not have a data cable for my phone. I could buy a cable, but I am not very motiviated to do so because I do not need PC sync. 2. Is the FreeRunner’s display readable without a backlight? My Nokia 6103b’s display has a backlight, but the backlight turns off after a few seconds of inactivity. However, this is OK because I can still read the display without the backlight. However, I have seen some cell phones, such as my dad’s Samsung, where both the display and backlight turn off after a few seconds of inactivity. This is not very usable for me, especially since I am a relatively slow reader to start with. 3. I leave my Nokia 6103b on for about 16 hours or less per day. I do not use it for most of that time. When I do use it, it is usually for SMS or organiser applications, not for voice calls. Will the FreeRunner’s battery life be OK for my usage? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
App for remotely controlling jukebox software
Is there any software for the Freerunner that, with minimal tweaking, lets it take the place of the iPhone or iPod Touch in a setup like this?[1] [1] http://www.apple.com/findouthow/mac/#tutorial=wirelessmusic ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?
* a *reliable* phone for SMS and brief voice calls. The FreeRunner would be my primary phone, not only a toy. i dont do much sms, but ive never heard of a missed sms from my contacts * tasks/todo lists (including tasks with and without alarms, recurring and non-recurring tasks, tasks with and without due dates, tasks with and without attached notes) e-tasks http://www.opkg.org/package_211.html or pimlico tasks http://www.pimlico-project.org/tasks.html * I need a calender to choose dates like on Palm OS. I do not want a date chooser like on my Nokia 6103b. * calendar (I enter all of my appointments, work holidays, and other dates I want to remember, then the Agenda/overview screen of the Calendar/Datebook (?) Palm OS application shows upcoming events in the next 2 weeks or so. I want something similar on a phone. I need support for recurring events and events on a certain day but with no time.) gpe-calandar http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPECalendar [just switched. looks good to me thus far] pimlico dates http://www.pimlico-project.org/dates.html * textual notes (so I don’t have to keep track of lots of paper notes), leafpad works great for me http://www.opkg.org/package_152.html you could also try gpe-sketchbook for freehand notes * a calculator with features comparable to the Palm OS application EasyCalc there is a maddening scientific calculator, never tried it http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HP48_Series_RPN_Calculator but SHR-testing/unstable[?] comes with pCalc that works great and even supports a*(b-c) equations * enough storage for SMS messages so I never have to delete old SMS messages. I never have to delete old e-mail, so why should I have to delete old SMS messages? I have to keep deleting old SMS messages on my Nokia 6103b because it does not have enough storage. mini sd cards can be gigantic. not sure if there is anyway to have sms get stored there or not * a drawing/painting application see gpe-sketchbook. i think someone else is working on an alternative app for sketching as well. there is also numptyphysics http://www.opkg.org/package_3.html which is sorta like drawing/painting and is madly addictive 1. Are there applications with all of the specific features I listed, though? My Nokia 6103b has some basic organiser applications, such as for calender and task lists, but it does not have all of the features I listed. think of it as a computer, not a phone. there are or are soon going to be apps for whatever it is you desire. I can live without PC sync as long as my information is safe in my FreeRunner (stored in non-volatile memory in case the battery dies). I do not even have my Nokia 6103b synced with my PC because I cannot get Nokia PC Suite to connect to my phone via Bluetooth. I have to use Bluetooth because I do not have a data cable for my phone. I could buy a cable, but I am not very motiviated to do so because I do not need PC sync. i think everything[?] is still around if the bat dies. 2. Is the FreeRunner’s display readable without a backlight? My Nokia 6103b’s display has a backlight, but the backlight turns off after a few seconds of inactivity. However, this is OK because I can still read the display without the backlight. However, I have seen some cell phones, such as my dad’s Samsung, where both the display and backlight turn off after a few seconds of inactivity. This is not very usable for me, especially since I am a relatively slow reader to start with. this is a good question. as of right now the answer is no, but on my recent trip i noticed that slightly angled away from direct sunlight i could read my screen without the backlight being on. theres has got to be something that could be done from that idea. 3. I leave my Nokia 6103b on for about 16 hours or less per day. I do not use it for most of that time. When I do use it, it is usually for SMS or organiser applications, not for voice calls. Will the FreeRunner’s battery life be OK for my usage? if you poweroff WIFI and GPS you might get 6-8 hours depending on screen brightness. there are also suspend functions which expand battery life. i cant say how much because im on an older OS version and my suspend is non-functional :) basically with my computer usb cable at work and my car charger i have battery all day ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: App for remotely controlling jukebox software
http://www.opkg.org/package_14.html ?? On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: Is there any software for the Freerunner that, with minimal tweaking, lets it take the place of the iPhone or iPod Touch in a setup like this?[1] [1] http://www.apple.com/findouthow/mac/#tutorial=wirelessmusic ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?
2009/6/17 jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com 3. I leave my Nokia 6103b on for about 16 hours or less per day. I do not use it for most of that time. When I do use it, it is usually for SMS or organiser applications, not for voice calls. Will the FreeRunner’s battery life be OK for my usage? if you poweroff WIFI and GPS you might get 6-8 hours depending on screen brightness. Do you mean 6-8 hours with the screen on or off? If off, that is very poor compared to my Nokia 6103b: I can leave my Nokia 6103b on for days before the battery meter reaches ¼ (the battery meter uses 1-4 bars). there are also suspend functions which expand battery life. i cant say how much because im on an older OS version and my suspend is non-functional :) I never need to use suspend on my Nokia 6103b. I do not think it even has a suspend mode — at least not one the user can activate. basically with my computer usb cable at work and my car charger i have battery all day With my Nokia 6103b, I can have battery for multiple days (more days if it is only for 16 hours or less per day) without recharging. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get buzz fix in Australia
On 17/06/2009 10:28 PM, Chris Samuel wrote: I guess the first question to ask yourself is do I have the buzz problem ? Yeah I'll second that. For the period mine was in active use I never once had the issue. I'm on vodafone btw. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?
that's with screen on. i can easily get a couple days out of my fone if it's entirely idle. your nokia suspends/sleeps, it's just not a user visible thing. -david Brolin Empey wrote: Do you mean 6-8 hours with the screen on or off? If off, that is very poor compared to my Nokia 6103b: I can leave my Nokia 6103b on for days before the battery meter reaches ¼ (the battery meter uses 1-4 bars). there are also suspend functions which expand battery life. i cant say how much because im on an older OS version and my suspend is non-functional :) I never need to use suspend on my Nokia 6103b. I do not think it even has a suspend mode — at least not one the user can activate. basically with my computer usb cable at work and my car charger i have battery all day With my Nokia 6103b, I can have battery for multiple days (more days if it is only for 16 hours or less per day) without recharging. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko Neo Freerunner Re: How to get buzz fix in Australia
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Denis Johnson wrote: I have asked this before but the thread seems to have fizzled. I have a GTA02 V5 one of the first group purchases into Australia and I would like to know if anyone in Australia is planning a buzz fix party or if there is somewhere overseas I can send my Freerunner to get fixed. I do not have the equipment or expertize to do it myself. Any recommendations welcome. regards Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community First and second complaints that my handset suffers from the buzz last night. Anyone handy with a soldering iron in Canberra feel like a buzz fix party? I'll CC this to the Canberra Linux Users Group mailing list since there are several people on that list who were part of the group purchase and I'm pretty sure they don't all subscribe to this list. Cheers, - -Ian - -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ - -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Eric S. Raymond, 2005 - -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.5) iD8DBQFKOahIrQR5CkD4dNARArB2AJ49SxKoLk2Tk6f4lh3W8fxbCo5yuQCeKbG2 L0twhpzb2pgdGN6JBBRBInc= =p2be -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Re: How to get buzz fix in Australia
I am from Uruguay and don't have any other Openmoko user nearby so I will go with the SOP and the blueprints to a local electronics store to have it fixed. I guess they won't charge me much. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 23:36, Ian Munsie darkstarsw...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Denis Johnson wrote: I have asked this before but the thread seems to have fizzled. I have a GTA02 V5 one of the first group purchases into Australia and I would like to know if anyone in Australia is planning a buzz fix party or if there is somewhere overseas I can send my Freerunner to get fixed. I do not have the equipment or expertize to do it myself. Any recommendations welcome. regards Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community First and second complaints that my handset suffers from the buzz last night. Anyone handy with a soldering iron in Canberra feel like a buzz fix party? I'll CC this to the Canberra Linux Users Group mailing list since there are several people on that list who were part of the group purchase and I'm pretty sure they don't all subscribe to this list. Cheers, - -Ian - -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ - -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Eric S. Raymond, 2005 - -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.5) iD8DBQFKOahIrQR5CkD4dNARArB2AJ49SxKoLk2Tk6f4lh3W8fxbCo5yuQCeKbG2 L0twhpzb2pgdGN6JBBRBInc= =p2be -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Pablo Miño ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?
Hi Brolin, Fundamentally, at this point, my Openmoko Freerunner fails the Not Interested in Technology - Significant Other Acceptance Procedure, otherwise known NIT-SOAP. If you want a phone that is going to Just Work, get a Nokia. If you want a Linux smart phone to hack about on, an Openmoko Freerunner fits the bill quite nicely, except for the animation speed on the screen, which is markedly slow. I should probably be specific here - the phone is almost certainly going to need flashing when you get it, and that's going to require a command line. You're probably going to want to change something to get something working, and that's going to require running ssh to connect to the phone on the command line, and changing something, somewhere. The flip side of this is that you can change what ever you like in hardware or software with the phone (with exceptions for a couple of firmware blobs in the GSM modem and wifi chipset), and some people find this quite liberating. Hope this helps, Cheers, David signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get buzz fix in Australia
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Chris Samuelch...@csamuel.org wrote: I guess the first question to ask yourself is do I have the buzz problem ? I've been really happy with mine in the UK, US and here in Australia and nobody has complained about any buzzing (yet). I think I'd only consider this if it was causing me problems.. Fair enough point. I thought I did not have the problem either, and certainly nobody reported it to me while I was using QTe. Then a couple of months ago I switched to SHR-Testing and struggle from both a volume level problem (too quiet) and a number of people have reported buzzing at their enf while I hear them perfectly and buzz free. I am assuming that the distro change is simply a circumstantial data point and that the problem has always been there but nobody has mentioned it until now. cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: App for remotely controlling jukebox software
I have a SqueezeBox Duet http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/products/squeezebox-duet.html and run SqueezeCenter (OSS) on my NAS but I notice that Duet hand controller which uses WiFi for remote control, runs linux and a LUA based UI for remote control http://softsqueeze.sourceforge.net/. As far as I know the OSS controler software is designed to run on other hardware, even on your desktop if you like,, so while I apologise that this does not specifically cover your question for Freerunner, there may be something to borrow/salvage or learn from that solution. cheers Denis On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Sam Kupersam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: Is there any software for the Freerunner that, with minimal tweaking, lets it take the place of the iPhone or iPod Touch in a setup like this?[1] [1] http://www.apple.com/findouthow/mac/#tutorial=wirelessmusic ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
