Re: Happy Birthday Freerunner
We currently run the first German Openmoko Workshop in Munich to celebrate the birtday. Yesterday evening, we had approx. 15 attendents and today, maybe even more. Mickey Lauer is doing a hands-on workshop on FSO today. Nikolaus Am 04.07.2009 um 00:33 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez: Now is 0:30 in spain so, Feliz Cumpleaños Neo Freerunner, in a couple of hours, we will celebrate a Buzz Fix Party in Madrid in your honor. :) 2009/7/3 rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com: Hey Happy Birthday Freerunner dude. Your journey has just begun. Rakshat (By my calculations 4th of July was the official launch of the Freerunner by OM) -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] bluetooth keyboard
afaik, the bluetooth does NOT work in qtmoko It does in debian based images (sometimes does not survive suspend) On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:50 PM, mobi philm...@mobiphil.com wrote: I wonder if anybody managed to setup the keyboard with the bluetooth tool inside QT. The tool asks to insert the pin and then to insert it on the keyboard, however it stays connected only 1-2 seconds. Any idea? I can't test, because unfortunately i dont have bt keyboard. Maybe try pairing with the device first? Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian][qtmoko] /dev filesystem
mobi phil wrote: booting debian spends a while on populating dev filesystem would it not be clever to move back to the prepopulated filesystem? Hi Phil, i guess this is feature of udev - it creates device nodes depending on available device drivers. I dont know how much could be done to speed it up. Maybe devtmpfs [1] could be interesting. However this is pure debian problem. Radek [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/330985/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Happy Birthday Freerunner
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 3:12 AM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Happy Birthday Freerunner dude. Your journey has just begun. Rakshat (By my calculations 4th of July was the official launch of the Freerunner by OM) Your calculations are right on Rakshat. It's amazing how fast time goes... Thanks, all of you, for helping us raise him :-) -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Happy Birthday Freerunner
Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 3:12 AM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Happy Birthday Freerunner dude. Your journey has just begun. Rakshat (By my calculations 4th of July was the official launch of the Freerunner by OM) Your calculations are right on Rakshat. It's amazing how fast time goes... Thanks, all of you, for helping us raise him :-) -Sean One year ago : Openmoko Declares Independence for the Mobile Phone: Neo FreeRunner to Hit the Market July 4 http://www.openmoko.com/press/Openmoko_20080702.pdf Thanks to you, Sean :-) PS : we will make a little user meeting in France : http://openmoko-fr.org/blog/index.php?post/2009/06/29/Anniversaire-(et-buzz-fix-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[all] navit install problems
hi, i'm trying to install navit using the instructions on the wiki - i've got the feed in opkg, and when i try to install, it stops part way through and returns 'Killed'. i see from opkg.org that i'm not alone with this. i've tried shutting down the xserver to release some ram, but no joy. i've also tried using a local temp directory (i believe opkg decompresses it in in ram otherwise?) any suggestions? cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Elmdentica release 0.5.0
Great work! I found 2 little bugs on my system: * I get a SEGFAULT when no gconf account config is available, thus had to create it first before being able to rund elmdentica * Icons (twitter) were not stored unless I created /home/root/.elmdentica/cache/icons/ manually Cheers, Christian http://blog.1407.org/2009/07/03/elmdentica-release-050/ http://code.google.com/p/elmdentica/ http://code.google.com/p/elmdentica/wiki/GConf New release of elmdentica, major advance! 0.5.0 adds multiple account support, even though only one active at each moment. http://files.1407.org/openmoko/elmdentica/elmdentica-0.5.0-scap.png * elmdentica-0.5.0.tar.gz (elmdentica-0.5.0.tar.gz.asc) * elmdentica_0.5.0-r6_armv4t.ipk (elmdentica_0.5.0-r6_armv4t.ipk.asc) http://code.google.com/p/elmdentica/downloads/list Enjoy! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Image modules?
I have found a flashable thing called modules here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/ E.g.: modules-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.tgz Is it nessecary or advicable to flash it onto the phone? /Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Elmdentica release 0.5.0
Thanks! On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 12:21:56PM +0200, Christian Rüb wrote: Great work! I found 2 little bugs on my system: * I get a SEGFAULT when no gconf account config is available, thus had to create it first before being able to rund elmdentica Yes, I'm working on it at this moment :) It's related to wishlist on Issue 7. * Icons (twitter) were not stored unless I created /home/root/.elmdentica/cache/icons/ manually Oops, I forgor to mkdir -p that on start. (shame) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Image modules?
Glenn Moeller-Holst glenn.mh...@gmail.com writes: modules-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.tgz Is it nessecary or advicable to flash it onto the phone? Flashing tar.gz archives makes little sense. You might want to untar it to your / though in case you don't have that modules already. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR-unstable]
Hello list, ran into ridiculous problem while trying to use Elmdentica. It needs libelementary.so.0 which lacks from my system. Where to get it? Running $ find /usr -name libelementary.so* gives nothing. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-unstable]
2009/7/4 ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com: ran into ridiculous problem while trying to use Elmdentica. It needs libelementary.so.0 which lacks from my system. Where to get it? Running $ find /usr -name libelementary.so* gives nothing. it'll be there, but called something else. the shr team change the name every so often, by adding a string of letters to the name of all the e libraries. it's probably something like: libelementary-pre-ver-svn-01.so.0 or similar. unless they've got a new naming pattern this week just create symlinks from the names that are expected, to each of the long names, and you'll be fine ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [all] navit install problems
2009/7/4 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com: i'm trying to install navit using the instructions on the wiki - i've got the feed in opkg, and when i try to install, it stops part way through and returns 'Killed'. i see from opkg.org that i'm not alone with this. i've tried shutting down the xserver to release some ram, but no joy. i've also tried using a local temp directory (i believe opkg decompresses it in in ram otherwise?) It works if you set up a swapfile. Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why is it so slow ?
On 7/3/09, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:00:09 +0200 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com (SK) wrote: About x11-16 uglyness - yestersay I've started to make theme, which in x11-16 looks like default theme in x11 :) Results on scap. how do you make it look better? different resolution of images? Petr Mostly yes - uglyness in x11-16 is introduced by disabled smooth-scalling. My themes are available in SHR repo - elementary-theme-sixteen and e-wm-theme-illume-sixteen :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr-unstable] missing dependency for latest update
$ opkg upgrade * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for frameworkd-config-shr-dev: * frameworkd-config-shr (= 0.8.5.1+gitr1473+130fb4c50f81b803d42b32c69f20e0713930f741-82+060495f1ddcf6db79c1cd9d12e51b47adac8e2ed-r6) * there's no frameworkd-config-shr package of any revision in http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/ - is this a mistake in the dependencies, or a missing package? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Happy Birthday Freerunner
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 5:54 PM, swap38 swa...@openmoko-fr.org wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 3:12 AM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Happy Birthday Freerunner dude. Your journey has just begun. Rakshat (By my calculations 4th of July was the official launch of the Freerunner by OM) Your calculations are right on Rakshat. It's amazing how fast time goes... Thanks, all of you, for helping us raise him :-) -Sean One year ago : Openmoko Declares Independence for the Mobile Phone: Neo FreeRunner to Hit the Market July 4 http://www.openmoko.com/press/Openmoko_20080702.pdf Thanks to you, Sean :-) PS : we will make a little user meeting in France : http://openmoko-fr.org/blog/index.php?post/2009/06/29/Anniversaire-(et-buzz-fix-) I always forget to say it, but I'm so impressed every time I see you all organize one of these buzz fix parties and user meetings. When things slow down a bit more for me in Taipei, I'll drop by and check one out. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New archive file format (was: [omgps] collect feature requests)
Hi Bilk: Don't worry :) I've said that I'm afraid of the corruption. So this feature will be configurable if it can be integrated. 2009/7/2 William Kenworthy (via Nabble) ml-user+1677-108203...@n2.nabble.com: I hope not - I have over 2 million tiles stored on SD card - if file corruption or disaster occurs, it may affect only one tile if its being accessed at the time - imagine the effect of file system corruption on one large archive ... you will most likely lose the lot. Then there is the extra overhead needed - Ive gotta ask why? - if you can justify the extra cpu needed for this, why not do vector maps? BillK On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 00:42 -0700, mqy wrote: x and y are tile no in tile coordinate system within range of [0.. 2^zoom). just do it if you have time, since proof of concept is necessary :) keep in mind clear APIs. it's likely that, the final version to be integrated into omgps is rewritten in C. Laszlo KREKACS wrote: If I understand right the OSM tiles, they have the following directory ... -- William Kenworthy bi...@... Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list commun...@... http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This email is a reply to your post @ http://n2.nabble.com/New-archive-file-format-%28was%3A--omgps--collect-feature-requests%29-tp3191899p3193977.html You can reply by email or by visting the link above. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/New-archive-file-format-%28was%3A--omgps--collect-feature-requests%29-tp3191899p3205707.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone know a store that sells FreeRunner accs in the US
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Adam Jimersonvend...@gmail.com wrote: I am looking for where I can buy accessories for my FreeRunner here in the US, TuxBrain has a couple that I am interested in, the leather case and the invisible shield, but they seem to be european based and would rather not pay any kind of fees that would go with it if they do ship to the US. I bought my FreeRunner for SDG but they don't offer much accessories, anyone know where else to look? If somebody wants to start a Wiki page and vote on accessories that you all want to buy, I'll ask somebody from Taipei to help source them. We could easily ship them to Fremont California (or to our EU distributors) if we had an idea of what you're looking for. BTW, we would need to source quantities of around 100 each for it to make (business) sense for the vendors. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Image modules?
Flashing tar.gz archives makes little sense. You might want to untar it to your / though in case you don't have that modules already. This is what I am not able to read anywhere: *I actually do not know if I already having modules installed? How do I test it? *What is modules used for? *Is modules (already) included the image? *Why is there a separate file called modules? Why not include it in the image? *Is modules a standard Linux thing? I am asking as a novice. I have not encountered information about modules at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/ /Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Image modules?
Modules are think, about what you shouldn't worry. They are only usable, if you're installing rootfs on different kernel. Modules for kernel supported by image are already installed. On 7/4/09, Glenn Moeller-Holst glenn.mh...@gmail.com wrote: Flashing tar.gz archives makes little sense. You might want to untar it to your / though in case you don't have that modules already. This is what I am not able to read anywhere: *I actually do not know if I already having modules installed? How do I test it? *What is modules used for? *Is modules (already) included the image? *Why is there a separate file called modules? Why not include it in the image? *Is modules a standard Linux thing? I am asking as a novice. I have not encountered information about modules at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/ /Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re2: Image modules?
At 14:47 +0400 04/07/09, Paul Fertser wrote: Glenn Moeller-Holst glenn.mh...@gmail.com writes: modules-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.tgz Is it nessecary or advicable to flash it onto the phone? Flashing tar.gz archives makes little sense. You might want to untar it to your / though in case you don't have that modules already. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com This is what I am not able to read anywhere: *I actually do not know if I already having modules installed? How do I test it? *What is modules used for? *Is modules (already) included the image? *Why is there a separate file called modules? Why not include it in the image? *Is modules a standard Linux thing? I am asking as a novice. I have not encountered information about modules at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/ /Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
On 7/4/09, Hammer Armin aham...@datazug.ch wrote: With the internal gps antenna, the first fix last quite long - with the external - within 5min to 10min I get a fix. WTF? I'm getting fix easly with *internal* GPS antenna in 30 seconds - 2 minutes... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
Hi Armin, I use the atenna for GPS Tracking during biking and car tours. As the FR is always running (no sleep) and with activated GPS module - the battery last about 4h - then it's empty. Is accuracy much better with external antenna? I usually have something like +/- 3-5m accuracy and need something better. Regards, Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Image modules?
On Saturday 04 July 2009, Glenn Moeller-Holst wrote: Flashing tar.gz archives makes little sense. You might want to untar it to your / though in case you don't have that modules already. This is what I am not able to read anywhere: *I actually do not know if I already having modules installed? How do I test it? You should if you are using the kernel that matches the rootfs you picked. In the terminal run: uname -r This will tell you the kernel release. You should find a matching directory under /lib/modules. *What is modules used for? Modules in general are for optional things that you don't want compiled into the kernel. They are often drivers. The modules-version.tar.gz contains an archive of the modules for the kernel of the same version. This is needed by people who want to use a different kernel to the one originally used for the root image. *Is modules (already) included the image? Yes. The image is built for a particular kernel, and includes the modules for that kernel. *Why is there a separate file called modules? Why not include it in the image? *Is modules a standard Linux thing? See answers above. I am asking as a novice. I have not encountered information about modules at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/ The wiki assumes some basic level of linux knowledge. I guess we should include links to some basic linux primers in the 'getting started' page. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: On 7/4/09, Hammer Armin aham...@datazug.ch wrote: With the internal gps antenna, the first fix last quite long - with the external - within 5min to 10min I get a fix. WTF? I'm getting fix easly with *internal* GPS antenna in 30 seconds - 2 minutes... Because you already have almanac (and sometimes ephemeris) data. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Elmdentica release 0.5.0
Both of these are (hopefully, at least works for me) fixed on svn. Rui On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 12:21:56PM +0200, Christian Rüb wrote: Great work! I found 2 little bugs on my system: * I get a SEGFAULT when no gconf account config is available, thus had to create it first before being able to rund elmdentica * Icons (twitter) were not stored unless I created /home/root/.elmdentica/cache/icons/ manually Cheers, Christian http://blog.1407.org/2009/07/03/elmdentica-release-050/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Image modules?
At 18:10 +0100 04/07/09, Al Johnson wrote: On Saturday 04 July 2009, Glenn Moeller-Holst wrote: Flashing tar.gz archives makes little sense. You might want to untar it to your / though in case you don't have that modules already. This is what I am not able to read anywhere: *I actually do not know if I already having modules installed? How do I test it? You should if you are using the kernel that matches the rootfs you picked. In the terminal run: uname -r This will tell you the kernel release. You should find a matching directory under /lib/modules. *What is modules used for? Modules in general are for optional things that you don't want compiled into the kernel. They are often drivers. The modules-version.tar.gz contains an archive of the modules for the kernel of the same version. This is needed by people who want to use a different kernel to the one originally used for the root image. *Is modules (already) included the image? Yes. The image is built for a particular kernel, and includes the modules for that kernel. *Why is there a separate file called modules? Why not include it in the image? *Is modules a standard Linux thing? See answers above. I am asking as a novice. I have not encountered information about modules at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/ The wiki assumes some basic level of linux knowledge. I guess we should include links to some basic linux primers in the 'getting started' page. ... To Al and others Thanks for your answers. Previously I ruled out that it was kernel modules, because the compressed size is about 30MByte. /Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-unstable]
Am Samstag 04 Juli 2009 12:59:10 schrieb Robin Paulson: 2009/7/4 ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com: ran into ridiculous problem while trying to use Elmdentica. It needs libelementary.so.0 which lacks from my system. Where to get it? Running $ find /usr -name libelementary.so* gives nothing. it'll be there, but called something else. the shr team change the name every so often, by adding a string of letters to the name of all the e libraries. it's probably something like: no, NOT so. It is NOT the SHR team and you know that. It is enlightenment upstream that changes libnames with every freeze they do right now. That will change when they release something stable. And yes, we could work around that. Though we do not have the proper manpower to do that :( libelementary-pre-ver-svn-01.so.0 or similar. unless they've got a new naming pattern this week just create symlinks from the names that are expected, to each of the long names, and you'll be fine ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
Hi Tom Is accuracy much better with external antenna? I usually have something like +/- 3-5m accuracy and need something better. Hm. I only use the external antenna, but I think it's better than +/- 3-5m. When I import my gps infos into google-earth the waypoints follow quite accurate the bike-paths - which are no more than 1-2m wide. Or on the highway it shows the correct driving lane. Yours Armin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re2: Image modules?
On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 17:52 +0200, Glenn Moeller-Holst wrote: At 14:47 +0400 04/07/09, Paul Fertser wrote: Glenn Moeller-Holst glenn.mh...@gmail.com writes: modules-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.tgz Is it nessecary or advicable to flash it onto the phone? Flashing tar.gz archives makes little sense. You might want to untar it to your / though in case you don't have that modules already. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com This is what I am not able to read anywhere: *I actually do not know if I already having modules installed? How do I test it? Look in /lib/modules/kernel-version, or unpack the modules file and check. You'll find you already have it. *What is modules used for? Lots of hardware drivers are not needed by all pc's (or phones, for that matter) or are not needed all the time. To keep the size of the kernel binary small and to limit memory usage, these drivers are not compiled into the kernel, but rather as 'modules'. Usually, modules are loaded into memory if and when needed by the kernel. For our freerunners, this probably means that things like wifi and bluetooth are modules, which are not always active and thus not always loaded in memory. Generally, things like ati video drivers, ide drive drivers and braille tty drivers are not compiled and included at all, since that would make no sense. *Is modules (already) included the image? Not in the kernel image, but they are included in the root image. *Why is there a separate file called modules? Why not include it in the image? It _is_ included in the root image, as it lives in the root filesystem in /lib/modules. The thing is: if you decide to use that kernel but _not_ use that root filesystem (because you'd like to build your own, for example, or you just want to upgrade your kernel and _not_ your filesystem) you'll have to untar the corresponding modules into your own filesystem. *Is modules a standard Linux thing? It is a standard linux feature. But it is certainly not limited to linux, although naming conventions may vary. I am asking as a novice. I have not encountered information about modules at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/ Google 'linux kernel modules' and you'll find more than you'll ever want to know. HTH, David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
On Saturday 04 July 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: On 7/4/09, Hammer Armin aham...@datazug.ch wrote: With the internal gps antenna, the first fix last quite long - with the external - within 5min to 10min I get a fix. WTF? I'm getting fix easly with *internal* GPS antenna in 30 seconds - 2 minutes... Because you already have almanac (and sometimes ephemeris) data. With a good sky view and suitable constellation TTFF from cold is ~40s with the internal antenna, rootfs on SD and an early A05 without the capacitor on SD. For it to take 2min I need heavy urban canyoning, being indoors or in a vehicle, or an unusually poor constellation. Having almanac and ephemeris _should_ make it faster, as should initialisation with correct time and approximate location. Feed it incorrect data at startup and you can get a very long TTFF, or no fix at all, and ogpsd has done this at some stages of its development. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone know a store that sells FreeRunner accs in the US
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Adam Jimersonvend...@gmail.com wrote: I am looking for where I can buy accessories for my FreeRunner here in the US, TuxBrain has a couple that I am interested in, the leather case and the invisible shield, but they seem to be european based and would rather not pay any kind of fees that would go with it if they do ship to the US. I bought my FreeRunner for SDG but they don't offer much accessories, anyone know where else to look? If somebody wants to start a Wiki page and vote on accessories that you all want to buy, I'll ask somebody from Taipei to help source them. We could easily ship them to Fremont California (or to our EU distributors) if we had an idea of what you're looking for. BTW, we would need to source quantities of around 100 each for it to make (business) sense for the vendors. -Sean I started a wiki page here (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wanted_Accessories_for_Neo_FreeRunner) anyone can feel free to add/improve to it and I hope that this helps. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: On Saturday 04 July 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: On 7/4/09, Hammer Armin aham...@datazug.ch wrote: With the internal gps antenna, the first fix last quite long - with the external - within 5min to 10min I get a fix. WTF? I'm getting fix easly with *internal* GPS antenna in 30 seconds - 2 minutes... Because you already have almanac (and sometimes ephemeris) data. With a good sky view and suitable constellation TTFF from cold is ~40s with the internal antenna, rootfs on SD and an early A05 without the capacitor on SD. For it to take 2min I need heavy urban canyoning, being indoors or in a vehicle, or an unusually poor constellation. Let me cite the site that looks to be authoritive enough [1]: The navigation message is a continuous 50 bits/second data stream modulated onto the carrier signal of every satellite. It is a telemetry message, and the data is transmitted in logical units called frames. For GPS a frame is 1500 bits long, so takes 30 seconds to be transmitted. Every satellite begins to transmit a frame precisely on the minute and half minute, according to its own clock. Each frame is divided into five subframes, each 300 bits long. Subframes 1, 2 and 3 contain the high accuracy ephemeris and clock offset data. The data content (which I'll define later) of these three subframes is the same for a given satellite for consecutive frames for periods lasting as long as two hours. New subframe 1, 2 and 3 data sets usually begin to be transmitted precisely on the hour (see description of uploads and cutovers below). Subframe 1 contains second degree polynomial coefficients used to calculate the satellite clock offset. Subframes 2 and 3 contain orbital parameters. Subframes 4 and 5 are subcommutated, which means that consecutive subframes have different data content. This data does repeat, but 25 consecutive frames of subframe 4 and 5 data must be collected before the receiver has all of the unique data content being transmitted by the satellite. A satellite transmits the same data content in subframes 4 and 5 until it is next uploaded, or usually for about 24 hours. Subframes 4 and 5 contain the almanac data and some related health and configuration data. 25 * 0.5 min = 12.5 min . I assume this gives a good estimate of TTFF If you already have almanac (which is the usual case as almanac is usually valid for months), you'll get a fix in a little more than 30 seconds (time required to receive ephemeris from visible sattelite). [1] http://gpsinformation.net/gpssignal.htm -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [omgps] collect feature requests
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 05:29:22PM -0700, mqy wrote: Please feel free to comment or add new feature requests here. Two comments on the package control file: 1) The dependency on python2.6 is missing. 2) The description is still the default one. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-unstable]
2009/7/5 Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann m...@mnet-online.de: Running $ find /usr -name libelementary.so* gives nothing. it'll be there, but called something else. the shr team change the name every so often, by adding a string of letters to the name of all the e libraries. it's probably something like: no, NOT so. It is NOT the SHR team and you know that. It is enlightenment upstream that changes libnames with every freeze they do right now. That will change when they release something stable. And yes, we could work around that. Though we do not have the proper manpower to do that :( well, that's only half the story, isn't it? shr team chooses which packages to include, so yes they are responsible for what they produce. as raster's pointed out, these releases aren't for public consumption but for testing only. you could very easily stick to the blessed releases, and not break every shr install out there on every update. or, if you need help doing something, and don't have the manpower - ask. i'm sure there are many willing volunteers who would work on fixing this. it's really frigging annoying. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu_download error -62
Do you have a 64-bit machine? It sounds like -62 is error message one gets when using the 32-bit dfu-util. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#.231_Tools_for_flashing:_DFU-util_and_NeoTool By the way, you may have tried to Google for 'dfu download error -62' and didn't find the answer. The reason is that the minus sign tells Google to NOT show any web pages that contain the number sixty-two. --Ben On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Tim Vangehugtentimvangehug...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Im currently experiencing some trouble. I get a dfu_download error -62 when I tried to flash the kernel and the root filesystem. Any ideas on how to solve this? Best Regards Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why is it so slow ?
O Sábado, 4 de Xullo de 2009, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak escribiu: Mostly yes - uglyness in x11-16 is introduced by disabled smooth-scalling. My themes are available in SHR repo - elementary-theme-sixteen and e-wm-theme-illume-sixteen :) I've just installed them, but illume segfaults when I try to select themes Latest SHR unstable -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GPS antenna question
On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 19:56 +0100, Al Johnson wrote: On Saturday 04 July 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: On 7/4/09, Hammer Armin aham...@datazug.ch wrote: With the internal gps antenna, the first fix last quite long - with the external - within 5min to 10min I get a fix. WTF? I'm getting fix easly with *internal* GPS antenna in 30 seconds - 2 minutes... Because you already have almanac (and sometimes ephemeris) data. With a good sky view and suitable constellation TTFF from cold is ~40s with the internal antenna, rootfs on SD and an early A05 without the capacitor on SD. For it to take 2min I need heavy urban canyoning, being indoors or in a vehicle, or an unusually poor constellation. Having almanac and ephemeris _should_ make it faster, as should initialisation with correct time and approximate location. Feed it incorrect data at startup and you can get a very long TTFF, or no fix at all, and ogpsd has done this at some stages of its development. and if you are carrying the FR in a pocket, yes it gets a lock most of the time, but the track wobbles all over the place - up to a hundred meters. And if driving through an urban canyon, similar track errors can occur. Ive wanted a small external powered antenna for some time to improve this. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-unstable]
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmannm...@mnet-online.de wrote: [...] no, NOT so. It is NOT the SHR team and you know that. It is enlightenment upstream that changes libnames with every freeze they do right now. That will change when they release something stable. Persisting in saying that the rename comes from upstream does not satisfy users as shr team may control when and why update srcrev. So I strongly suggest to shr team to show exactly the reasons and the benefits from the last upgrade of e* prerelease version, and do that for every future upgrade too. That's the only way to stop all these comments about this recurring issue. m2c! Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
