Re: [wikireader] Rudimentary support for several wikis
Le 19/01/2010 16:33, Tom Bachmann a écrit :
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Subject: [wikireader] Rudimentary support for several wikis
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:56:53 +
From: Tom Bachmanntb...@cam.ac.uk
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Hello,
first of all, please CC me since I'm not registered to the list.
Over the last few days I have been hacking together rudimentary support
for displaying several collections of data (e.g. wikis of different
languages) on the wikireader. This code is not yet ready to be
incorporated into the main repository (I think), and furthermore I don't
actually know if it complies with your ideas of simplicity.
HOWEVER, I would be very grateful to everyone who can test the code. I
don't yet have a real wikireader (i.e. I have been developing this on
the simulator; I will get one after sorting out my budget...) and I'm
worried that there might be problems related to e.g. the scarcity of
memory on the reader (how much ram has it installed?).
Here is what I did: basically, articles are now identified by their
index and by their collection id (the highest four bits of the 32bit
identifier). The .pfx, .fnd, .hsh and .idx files are replicated per
collection. The .dat files are just numbered consecutively (and
identified by the usual way). So if you have e.g. two collections, say
english and french wikipedia, then your image layout may look like this:
pedia0.idx pedia0.hsh pedia0.pfx pedia0.fnd
pedia1.idx pedia1.hsh pedia1.pfx pedia1.fnd
pedia0.dat pedia1.dat pedia2.dat pedia3.dat pedia4.dat
You cannot tell what articles are in what .dat files (in principle
articles from several wikis could be mixed in one file), but in practice
we might have pedia0-2.dat corresponding to the collection 0 (english
wiki) and pedia{3,4}.dat corresponding to collection 1 (french wiki).
The searching functionality etc is implemented in the wiki-app, the user
inteface is rather non-existent. As a hack for testing I'm statically
configuring the system to use two collections (identified 0 and 1) and I
added an invisible button to the upper right corner of the search menu
to switch between the collections (in the simulator you will see a
message). There seem to be some bugs in that button but it's really for
testing only.
In addition to implementing all that in the wiki-app, I modified the
render, index and combine programs. All take a new --coll-number
argument to identify the collection being worked on, and
ArticleRender.py has a new --dat-number argument to specify the .dat
file (--number only identifies the block for the .idx file).
The good news is, you can just re-use your primary collection (the one
identified by 0). The bad news is, all extra collections have to be
re-built. For a quick test, try
make DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work \
XML_FILES=xml-file-samples/japanese_architects.xml \
COLL_NUMBER=1 DAT_NUMBER=${first unused index in .dat} iprch
make DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work install
and then copy everything to your wikireader (or try sim4).
Again, it would be *greatly* appreciated if someone could build a large
second collection and try two real-life datasets on the wikireader.
All the code is at gitorious (just because I am already registered there
but not yet on github). To get it, do
git clone git://gitorious.org/wikireader-ness/wikireader-ness.git
Let me know what you think!
Thanks,
Tom
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It would be awesome !
I finished French Wiki last night, upload is in action. It will be
available before tonight on some mirors.
I'll post urls as soon as it is available.
Thomas
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RE: Community action required: Wikipage with FOSDEM 2010 activities and attendants
Will you do #1024 bug fixing @ FOSDEM? How much would you charge for it? Unfortunately no. We do not do it ourselves but by a professional company that is specialized in SMD soldering and rework. So we are not able to carry equipment + staff to Brussels. I.e. we can only offer the remote solution which needs shipment and time. Nikolaus BTW, same question for other companies who will show up :) From previous posts I understood Tuxbrain.com will be present with David Samblas and Victor Remolina. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-October/057070.html Can anyone from Tuxbrain confirm? I'm also hoping to get my phone fixed... Thanks, Niels. -- Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house. _ De nieuwe Windows 7: vind de juiste pc voor jou. Meer informatie. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: elm_browser initial release
Hi, great work! There is one problem in my user's experience: when browsing Chinese websites, the characters in the page become block characters. But midori can display the characters correctly. Don't know if it's related to font settings. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/elm-browser-NEW-release-15-Jan-tp4357081p4425493.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
[cut] Tell me please, I understand that debian lags behind the progress? Old frameworkd etc, the old kernel without the new drivers for glamo, just zhone updated ... Even I look at leading figures debian pass programs shr))) Hope dies last))) I think QtMoko is based on Debian and works really good. But i might be wrong. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
qtmoko quite another matter. - Thank you for your attention. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/debian-fso-on-freerunner-tp4425059p4425730.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community Updates] 2010-01-14 released
[cut] I know, I didn't have time to update the CU, but elmdentica's latest release didn't show up :) Hi Rui, sorry we missed elmdentica this time, but it sometimes just happens. Can you point me to your post on ML, where you gave info about new release? Latest i could find in my mailbox is: ElmDentica 0.7.0 is out! dated on 2009-10-12 which is rather old. Could it be, we missed it also on previous CUs ??? If so, than I am terribly sorry, but believe me, getting all this information from many sources and combining them together sometimes is an uneasy task. Sometimes something gets lost in this process. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
Tell me please, I understand that debian lags behind the progress? Old frameworkd etc well, yes. the fso stack lags somewhat behind in at least some of its parts, but work is still going on. the old kernel without the new drivers for glamo, the kernel should be interchangeable between different distributions (shr, debian, qtmoko). thus, once a new kernel is available, you can use it. just zhone updated not exactly. zhone as such has been updated only to ensure compatibility with current e, but someone (neil? timo?) offered to take care of patching zhone to enhance functionality. and all the other stuff, kernel und fso, is updated as well, but slowly due to lacking manpower. Even I look at leading figures debian pass programs shr))) depends on your definition of leading figures :-) but, what exactly is the problem? do you want to use debian? just go ahaed ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:57:34AM +0100, arne anka wrote: Tell me please, I understand that debian lags behind the progress? Old frameworkd etc well, yes. the fso stack lags somewhat behind in at least some of its parts, but work is still going on. frameworkd is a checkout from autumn 2009. I don't think it's that old. But there will be a package based on current git head in the next days to solve a problem with libphone-utils anyway ;) The parts from cornucopia (fso 2.0) are constantly updated by Heiko. the old kernel without the new drivers for glamo, the kernel should be interchangeable between different distributions (shr, debian, qtmoko). thus, once a new kernel is available, you can use it. I tried to create an updated package, but git-buildpackage failed for me. I will try again once I find time for this. For now you will have to do it the way arne anka described. I also hope that luca decides to continue packaging the kernel for us :) Even I look at leading figures debian pass programs shr I don't get this sentence, but I'm currently packaging the SHR stuff for Debian. -- Sebastian signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
2010/1/20 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de: not exactly. zhone as such has been updated only to ensure compatibility with current e, but someone (neil? timo?) offered to take care of patching zhone to enhance functionality. Yes, that's me. I'm accumulating zhone patches here: http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/debian-usr-bin Even I look at leading figures debian pass programs shr))) IMO Debian will eventually assimilate everything, including SHR. (Unless there is some major advantage of the OE build and packaging system that I haven't understood yet...) It's the best combination of free software focussed build, tracking and package management that there is, and I really don't understand why anyone persists with other systems... Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community action required: Wikipage with FOSDEM 2010 activities and attendants
Yes we will be there, but our Iron man, Rafael Campos, is moving to Brazil so we will not be able to do a Fix party there, sorry :(. If any one is brave enough to solder there, or some one want to do it himself later, I can bring some capacitors and resistors , but is at the Neo owner risk, no warranty from our part. Regards 2010/1/20 Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com: Will you do #1024 bug fixing @ FOSDEM? How much would you charge for it? Unfortunately no. We do not do it ourselves but by a professional company that is specialized in SMD soldering and rework. So we are not able to carry equipment + staff to Brussels. I.e. we can only offer the remote solution which needs shipment and time. Nikolaus BTW, same question for other companies who will show up :) From previous posts I understood Tuxbrain.com will be present with David Samblas and Victor Remolina. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-October/057070.html Can anyone from Tuxbrain confirm? I'm also hoping to get my phone fixed... Thanks, Niels. -- Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house. _ De nieuwe Windows 7: vind de juiste pc voor jou. Meer informatie. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:55:18 +0100 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: And I can't see the need for gender-specific pronouns at all. well, since a lot of (most?) languages have those, there's certainly a need for that :-) I think it could be just historical. Nowadays, you should act the same regardless of the gender of the person you're talking to or about except in some situations. At least in a perfect world, where a worker/colleague of either gender is considered the same value. That could push the relationship zone back in the perfect world's internet age, though, because it would be the only reason to ask about someone's gender. Some people prefer no one to know they are interested in someone. The solution is to be gender-specific from the very beginning :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage
I think it could be just historical. Nowadays, you should act the same regardless of the gender of the person you're talking to or about except in some situations. At least in a perfect world, where a worker/colleague of either gender is considered the same value. what exactly has one's value to do with the gender or the pronoun you are using to refer to him or her? your proposition is based on the assumption that one gender is less valueable than the other, hence, using the male or female pronoun would express a judgement. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
Neil Jerram wrote: IMO Debian will eventually assimilate everything, including SHR. (Unless there is some major advantage of the OE build and packaging system that I haven't understood yet...) It's the best combination of free software focussed build, tracking and package management that there is, and I really don't understand why anyone persists with other systems... debian - it is certainly good, but on FR without the phone is sad ((( - Thank you for your attention. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/debian-fso-on-freerunner-tp4425059p4426453.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: I think it could be just historical. Nowadays, you should act the same regardless of the gender of the person you're talking to or about except in some situations. At least in a perfect world, where a worker/colleague of either gender is considered the same value. what exactly has one's value to do with the gender or the pronoun you are using to refer to him or her? your proposition is based on the assumption that one gender is less valueable than the other, hence, using the male or female pronoun would express a judgement. To me it seems obvious that ones own impression of something is heavily based on the language you use (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity and the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis). If you make a difference between two persons (by assigning them different genders) you will also put values on the difference even if it isn't your intention. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[wikireader] French image available !
Hi WikiReaders ! I'm proud to tell you the french image of the Wikireader is (finally) released ! It is based on the dump of 20th december 2009. It is 1.4Gb weigth (nice baby) and contains 898 000 articles. A beginning of picture support (math formulas for now). It took 18 hours to parse 20 hours to render. (an automated process is being thought). No more blahblah, here's the link : ftp://alionet-repository.no-ip.info/Linux/OpenMoko/wikireader/wr_fr_20100120.tar.gz Bonne Lecture. AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
2010/1/20 Yoric Kotchukov yori...@yandex.ru: debian - it is certainly good, but on FR without the phone is sad ((( But Debian has working phone function. For me, at least, phone, SMS and GPRS are all working. Not to mention GPS and Wifi. Of course there are bugs and occasional hangs and crashes, and audio quality is still a problem, but my impression is that the other distributions have those problems too. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] French image available !
Hi, I don't have a WikiReader but congratulation for your work and Cocorico ! Mickael Thomas HOCEDEZ a écrit : Hi WikiReaders ! I'm proud to tell you the french image of the Wikireader is (finally) released ! It is based on the dump of 20th december 2009. It is 1.4Gb weigth (nice baby) and contains 898 000 articles. A beginning of picture support (math formulas for now). It took 18 hours to parse 20 hours to render. (an automated process is being thought). No more blahblah, here's the link : ftp://alionet-repository.no-ip.info/Linux/OpenMoko/wikireader/wr_fr_20100120.tar.gz Bonne Lecture. AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
Am Mittwoch, den 20.01.2010, 11:45 + schrieb Neil Jerram: IMO Debian will eventually assimilate everything, including SHR. (Unless there is some major advantage of the OE build and packaging system that I haven't understood yet...) It's the best combination of free software focussed build, tracking and package management that there is, and I really don't understand why anyone persists with other systems... Well, I've been hearing that for almost a decade now, but still systems like buildroot, OpenEmbedded, OpenWRT, t2-project, etc. are being preferred on lots of embedded systems. Why do you think is that? :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
I experience a very bad suspend battery life after I started using the faster kernel. Even when I make sure gps, gsm, wifi are turned off. Has anyone noticed this? Or maybe something else is causing this? 2010/1/18 David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com On Monday 18 January 2010 17:13:42 David Garabana Barro wrote: On Monday 18 January 2010 16:52:11 Helge Hafting wrote: Installed the kernel, and the modules. It did not work. Well, X came up and was nice and snappy, but the phone never connected to the GSM network. I tried shr-settings, and GSM could not be turned on! I tried booting several times, I tried restarting various fso daemons that seemed phone-related. Nothing helped. In the end, I flashed the latest shr-unstable kernel, booted, and got a GSM connection just fine. (I use shr-unstable of today.) Too bad this kernel didn't work, it seemed very interesting. I don't know what is causing gsm to not register, but it's not kernel, for sure. Sometimes it registers for me and sometimes it doesn't, with both standard shr kernel and stripped kernel. It seems registration is more frequent with standard kernel. Might it be for worse performance? (some daemon which starts before another one with stripped kernel, for example) For me, it seems if you let FR boot with no iteration, it almost never register. If you do things (f.e. open an applicaiotn) just when illume desktop appears on display, it's more probable to obtain a registration. Just my experience... And sometimes, but only sometimes, when not registered on boot, I can force registration simply by rebooting libphoneui from shr-settings Sometimes it doesn't matter what daemon you reboot. It doesn't register :( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
I experience a very bad suspend battery life after I started using the faster kernel. Even when I make sure gps, gsm, wifi are turned off. Has anyone noticed this? Or maybe something else is causing this? i got the impression that bluetooth is always on (illume top shelf always shows the bt symbol and a simple hci[tool|config] dev shows the device). no time to dig deeper yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
For me, zhone absolutely not working. Tried to wake arne anka (dbus timeout etc), but without success. But I see that not all hushed. Let's hope))) - Thank you for your attention. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/debian-fso-on-freerunner-tp4425059p4427512.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
For me, zhone absolutely not working. what exactly does not work? for more information open /usr/bin/zhone with an editor and increase the log level to DEBUG and set (if not done already) output to file. then start zhone and provoke the error, close zhoen, check the log file for private information and post it somewhere (pastebin or such). Tried to wake arne anka uh? (dbus timeout etc), but without success. if you mean, you installed those three dbus packages from my site -- i patched zhone additionally with one of neil's patches which makes the pin dialog popup until finally registered, not just one time. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
I have a timeout, I'm tired))) And why are not promoting its packages in the repository debiana? - Thank you for your attention. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/debian-fso-on-freerunner-tp4425059p4427940.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:30:13 +0100 Krister Svanlund adsumm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: [...] what exactly has one's value to do with the gender or the pronoun you are using to refer to him or her? your proposition is based on the assumption that one gender is less valueable than the other, hence, using the male or female pronoun would express a judgement. To me it seems obvious that ones own impression of something is heavily based on the language you use (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity and the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis). If you make a difference between two persons (by assigning them different genders) you will also put values on the difference even if it isn't your intention. [...] This is getting way off-topic, but love the discussion. I will make two observations: o Arne, I do agree with the point that you are making, but English (and other languages) uses the male pronoun by default, and I sympathise with people unhappy with that status quo. o I am not quite sure what to make of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. On one hand, I think that Chomsky, and people like Steven Pinker demonstrate quite conclusively that language is a basic human instinct, and not a cultural construct. On the other hand, it would seem obvious that the ideas, and language one grows up with influence one's outlook. On the whole, I lean towards Chomsky. Regards, Gora (who is still pondering the influence of languages like Hindi, which assign gender not only to animals, but also to inanimate objects) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Rudimentary support for several wikis
in the light of the awfully long render times for complete wikis, I
figure I should create a 'change collection number' script.
Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
Le 19/01/2010 16:33, Tom Bachmann a écrit :
I now registered to the list, since unregistered didn't seem to come
through and c...@thewikireader doesn't seem to respond. Possibly you
might recive this message more than once.
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Subject: [wikireader] Rudimentary support for several wikis
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:56:53 +
From: Tom Bachmanntb...@cam.ac.uk
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Hello,
first of all, please CC me since I'm not registered to the list.
Over the last few days I have been hacking together rudimentary support
for displaying several collections of data (e.g. wikis of different
languages) on the wikireader. This code is not yet ready to be
incorporated into the main repository (I think), and furthermore I don't
actually know if it complies with your ideas of simplicity.
HOWEVER, I would be very grateful to everyone who can test the code. I
don't yet have a real wikireader (i.e. I have been developing this on
the simulator; I will get one after sorting out my budget...) and I'm
worried that there might be problems related to e.g. the scarcity of
memory on the reader (how much ram has it installed?).
Here is what I did: basically, articles are now identified by their
index and by their collection id (the highest four bits of the 32bit
identifier). The .pfx, .fnd, .hsh and .idx files are replicated per
collection. The .dat files are just numbered consecutively (and
identified by the usual way). So if you have e.g. two collections, say
english and french wikipedia, then your image layout may look like this:
pedia0.idx pedia0.hsh pedia0.pfx pedia0.fnd
pedia1.idx pedia1.hsh pedia1.pfx pedia1.fnd
pedia0.dat pedia1.dat pedia2.dat pedia3.dat pedia4.dat
You cannot tell what articles are in what .dat files (in principle
articles from several wikis could be mixed in one file), but in practice
we might have pedia0-2.dat corresponding to the collection 0 (english
wiki) and pedia{3,4}.dat corresponding to collection 1 (french wiki).
The searching functionality etc is implemented in the wiki-app, the user
inteface is rather non-existent. As a hack for testing I'm statically
configuring the system to use two collections (identified 0 and 1) and I
added an invisible button to the upper right corner of the search menu
to switch between the collections (in the simulator you will see a
message). There seem to be some bugs in that button but it's really for
testing only.
In addition to implementing all that in the wiki-app, I modified the
render, index and combine programs. All take a new --coll-number
argument to identify the collection being worked on, and
ArticleRender.py has a new --dat-number argument to specify the .dat
file (--number only identifies the block for the .idx file).
The good news is, you can just re-use your primary collection (the one
identified by 0). The bad news is, all extra collections have to be
re-built. For a quick test, try
make DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work \
XML_FILES=xml-file-samples/japanese_architects.xml \
COLL_NUMBER=1 DAT_NUMBER=${first unused index in .dat} iprch
make DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work install
and then copy everything to your wikireader (or try sim4).
Again, it would be *greatly* appreciated if someone could build a large
second collection and try two real-life datasets on the wikireader.
All the code is at gitorious (just because I am already registered there
but not yet on github). To get it, do
git clone git://gitorious.org/wikireader-ness/wikireader-ness.git
Let me know what you think!
Thanks,
Tom
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It would be awesome !
I finished French Wiki last night, upload is in action. It will be
available before tonight on some mirors.
I'll post urls as soon as it is available.
Thomas
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[Debian] installed on uSD ext3 using uboot
I used the search function but I didn't find any topic about this
situation.
Because the wikis in certain points are not clear, I write the following
hoping it could help a neo freerunner newbie (not a linux newbie! :P) like
me.
The target is to have Debian installed on an ext3 partition on the uSD and
booting with uBoot.
I'm using a brandnew neofreerunner a7 with QtMoko v16b on NAND.
What I did first:
partitioning the uSD with fdisk (from QtMoko).
I have a 8GB kingstone uSD and I tried this configuration:
mmcblk0p1 ext3 Debian
mmcblk0p2 ext3 other distro
mmcblk0p3 ext3 data
mmcblk0p4 swap
To install Debian in the first ext3 partition (without other partitioning
operations) I used the install script mentioned in the debian wiki in this
way:
$ TASKS=ALL SINGLE_PART=true SD_PART1_FS=ext3 ./install.sh
--no-partitioning all
Then I made a menu voice in uBoot with this parameters:
setenv menu_9 Debian: setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext3
root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=5 \${mtdparts}\; mmcinit\; sleep 1\; ext2load
mmc 1:1 0x3200 \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x3200
And that's all :)
found issues:
1) if QtMoko goes in suspension something happens at the uSD and at the next
boot of debian I receive the error :
unable to read uimage.bin from mmc 1:1
wrong image format for boot command
error: can't get kernel image
Strange method but I solve this issue running again qtmoko (maybe a control
with fdisk of the uSD) and shutting down it.
2) at the first boot of the current version of debian, the touch screen
doesn't work properly. it has to be calibrated first but I don't know how to
do it in this moment :)
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seg fault with libsyncml [was: Re: Fwd: Re: pisi depenencies (because of forgot to send in the list)]
Hi all,
I got really enthusiastic when I heart about the available syncml libs
now ...
So; I started my tests again - taking PISI on desktop with syncml source
first - all working perfectly; doing exactly the same on the Freerunner
(SHR-T; libsyncml2 installed) gives me a seg fault!?
Any ideas or experiences with that??
(Best would be of course also with a Python wrapper)
Thanks,
Michael
On 01/15/2010 10:23 AM, Vinzenz Hersche wrote:
hello michael,
are you german (becuase of the e-mail)? if yes, i am swiss(german) ;)
it was about pisi.. but i solved this problem 10 minutes later by checking
out
your git-repo ;)
first i searched it in google.. because of the name i've thinked, it's a
python-package and it isn't in your project..
mh, to explain it clearer.. maybe you tried the diffrent apps in qtmoko..
there
is a app synchronisation.. this app starts a little server (like sshd or
so)
and i've thinked,it's using syncml.. or maybe.. so i tried it, but it wasn't
work.
i know now (it was a long night yesterday, till 2:30 ;) ) that, at least the
old qtopia-versions are using the opie-standart
(http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-
bin/moin.cgi/OpieSyncProtocol?action=highlightvalue=qtopia)
there is also a plugin for opensync (https://svn.opensync.org/plugins/qtopia4-
sync/src/qtopia4_plugin.cpp) but its developement seems stoped.. and last,
but
not least, there's qtopia-pimsync
(https://code.launchpad.net/~saschpe/+junk/qtopia-pimsync) which is maybe
usefull for code-examples but you need to emulate a qtopia-device or so to
run
the app..
i hope, you understand my idea a little bit better.. it was my mistake to
belive, qtmoko use syncml.. but if you're able to use the qtmoko-sync-app on
desktopside, it would be a really nice thing.. :)
vinzenz
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Michael schrieb am Freitag 15 Januar 2010:
Good morning Vinzenz,
I think, I did not fully understand you question - I am noticing that now.
It's not about PISI in particular, but more about how I integrated the syncml
thing ...??
Well - let me start this way: It was a pain in the ass! Honestly. Libs are
really rare - and documentation is even rarer.
I tried a few of them - ending up with an alpha branch of Conduit
(http://live.gnome.org/Conduit). In the sources I found some unstable code
for
syncing against Syncml
(http://git.gnome.org/browse/conduit/tree/conduit/modules/SyncmlModule?h=syncml).
I applied some changes and integrated that into PISI
(http://github.com/kichkasch/pisi/tree/master/thirdparty/conduit/).
I am still not sure, how you exactly want to integrate with libsyncml ... but
I hope, this helps a bit.
As I said: from a Desktop I can sucessfully sync against Syncml-Server (here
Mobical) with PISI.
Best
Michael
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:17:12 +0100
Von: Vinzenz Hersche hers...@puzzle.ch
An: Michael Pilgermann kichka...@gmx.de
Betreff: Re: pisi depenencies
hey michael,
i've installed the last version of libsyncml, but it doesn't work (but i
don't
know, if qtopia really use syncml..)
the ouput from telnet is this:
skams...@skamster:~$ telnet 192.168.0.203 4245
Trying 192.168.0.203...
Connected to 192.168.0.203.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 Qtopia
4.4.3;challenge={b7203c47-06bf-4878-9ff5-6afffb2db546};loginname=root;displayname=;protocol=2;system=Qtopia;model=Uncustomized
Device;hexversion=263171;datasets=calendar contacts tasks
CALLB QD/QDSync forwardedMessage(QString,QString,QByteArray)
HABRAEQALwBRAHQAbwBwAGkAYQA0AFMAeQBuAGMaAGMAbABpAGUAbgB0AEUAcgByAG8AcgAoACn/
Connection closed by foreign host.
skams...@skamster:~$
i didn't do others testing, but one little thing i've seen.. by
self-compiling
librarys the name is libsyncml.so.2, not libsyncml.so.0 ... may this helps
you
to make this module more stable?
ah, and it didn't work with the libsyncml in version 4.6 (which was in my
repo
;) )
i will test the rest later.. but thanks for the mail.. :)
vinzenz
---
Michael schrieb am Donnerstag 14 Januar 2010:
Hi Vinzenz,
in fact, Syncml support is fully implemented in PISI already; however, I
haven't yet managed to get all the required libs into PISI - that's why
it's not yet in the release (and commented in the config file).
The file you are asking for is in the repos
(http://github.com/kichkasch/pisi/blob/master/thirdparty/conduit/SyncmlModule.py)
already; however, this again will depend on 'pysyncml', which in turn
depends on syncmllib ...
On my desktop I have successfully used the module already ... hope, I
(or somebody) can create and apply a recipe for SHR from libsyncml
(https://libsyncml.opensync.org/) soon ... off we would go then ...
As temporary solution for your desktop:
1) Install libsyncml (download sources from link given above) with
required
Re: [Debian] installed on uSD ext3 using uboot
Joif wrote: 1) if QtMoko goes in suspension something happens at the uSD and at the next boot of debian I receive the error : unable to read uimage.bin from mmc 1:1 wrong image format for boot command error: can't get kernel image Strange method but I solve this issue running again qtmoko (maybe a control with fdisk of the uSD) and shutting down it. I am not sure here, but maybe the bootloader needs SD card to be properly unmounted. I couldnt boot several times and IIRC after fsck i could boot again. But i am not sure here. Btw running system from SD card never worked reliably for me. Sooner or later i ended up with somehow corrupted filesystem. I think that good option could be base system on readonly filesystem + union with RW system. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
2010/1/20 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de: Am Mittwoch, den 20.01.2010, 11:45 + schrieb Neil Jerram: IMO Debian will eventually assimilate everything, including SHR. (Unless there is some major advantage of the OE build and packaging system that I haven't understood yet...) It's the best combination of free software focussed build, tracking and package management that there is, and I really don't understand why anyone persists with other systems... Well, I've been hearing that for almost a decade now, but still systems like buildroot, OpenEmbedded, OpenWRT, t2-project, etc. are being preferred on lots of embedded systems. Why do you think is that? Well, as I said, I don't know. What are the advantages of those systems? Also note that of the 4 FR distributions that are still actively developed, 3 of them are Debian-based - doesn't that cast doubt on those other systems being preferred on lots of embedded systems? However, in general terms I realize that my remark was probably too hasty. For example, it seems likely that when a new project is developing rapidly, they want more control over what is changing in the system overall. Plus Debian could be simultaneously too ponderous (stable) and too unreliable (unstable) for them. I also have to admit that even for the Freerunner Debian is not ideal; several people recently have been trying it out and suffering from the consequences of unstable being a rapidly moving target. Nevertheless, in the long term I expect (and hope) that all the interesting software for the Freerunner will be choices within Debian. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
2010/1/20 Yoric Kotchukov yori...@yandex.ru: For me, zhone absolutely not working. Since a few people seem to have had trouble getting Debian going recently, and also because I'd like to have a backup for myself, I'm wondering if it would be useful to make a .tar.gz of my rootfs, and make that available somewhere. df tells me I'm using about 1 gig of disk space, so that's the order of how big the .tar.gz would be. Would that be of interest? If so, I'd also appreciate any advice on the details of how to do it, especially - if there's a way of reviewing that I'm not giving away any personal data that I shouldn't - whether and how I should exclude directories like /dev, /proc, /sys and /tmp - what is a good way of making such a large file available? Thanks, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:30:13 +0100 Krister Svanlund adsumm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: I think it could be just historical. Nowadays, you should act the same regardless of the gender of the person you're talking to or about except in some situations. At least in a perfect world, where a worker/colleague of either gender is considered the same value. what exactly has one's value to do with the gender or the pronoun you are using to refer to him or her? your proposition is based on the assumption that one gender is less valueable than the other, hence, using the male or female pronoun would express a judgement. In different situations, I myself assign different values to people of different genders, yes. This is usually backed up by statistics - for example, I assume more men than women are capable of heavy lifting ;) Other people are likely to do the same. Aren't you? To me it seems obvious that ones own impression of something is heavily based on the language you use (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity and the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis). If you make a difference between two persons (by assigning them different genders) you will also put values on the difference even if it isn't your intention. That is what I meant. Moreover, I believe that all people impose different behavior on themselves depending on whether they're talking to a male or a female. Someone might unintentionally treat women more lightly or try to compete with men... these are only guesses, but I think that it's impossible to treat both males and females exactly the same in all situations. As for the influence of language, I think it's not the only influence. Most of the contacts people have are personal, and there is no reason not to differentiate genders. This should make people approach different genders differently regardless of the language they use. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage
what exactly has one's value to do with the gender or the pronoun you are using to refer to him or her? your proposition is based on the assumption that one gender is less valueable than the other, hence, using the male or female pronoun would express a judgement. In different situations, I myself assign different values to people of different genders, yes. This is usually backed up by statistics - for example, I assume more men than women are capable of heavy lifting ;) Other people are likely to do the same. Aren't you? i don't really see, inhowfar difference necessarily must impose a hierarchy. my laptop's screen is certainly different from my parents tv -- but that doesn't mean one is better than the other. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] installed on uSD ext3 using uboot
I'm no more sure that there is a problem with QtMoko and the uSD, maybe the problem is only the SD. Now I'm unable to boot debian from SD receiving the error posted in the previus post and I don't know why. :( -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Debian-installed-on-uSD-ext3-using-uboot-tp4428642p4430375.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
2010/1/20 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de I experience a very bad suspend battery life after I started using the faster kernel. Even when I make sure gps, gsm, wifi are turned off. Has anyone noticed this? Or maybe something else is causing this? i got the impression that bluetooth is always on (illume top shelf always shows the bt symbol and a simple hci[tool|config] dev shows the device). no time to dig deeper yet. Over here bluetooth is off, so must be something else. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Re: gender-neutral English usage
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:28:11 +0100 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: what exactly has one's value to do with the gender or the pronoun you are using to refer to him or her? your proposition is based on the assumption that one gender is less valueable than the other, hence, using the male or female pronoun would express a judgement. In different situations, I myself assign different values to people of different genders, yes. This is usually backed up by statistics - for example, I assume more men than women are capable of heavy lifting ;) Other people are likely to do the same. Aren't you? i don't really see, inhowfar difference necessarily must impose a hierarchy. my laptop's screen is certainly different from my parents tv -- but that doesn't mean one is better than the other. I think you missed my point - it was only to stress that people see and treat genders differently. The difference in value I was referring to was suitability for some things. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
Check for cron or another app using 100% cpu - I had this awhile back and it seemed to affect suspend time, but I think that was because it chewed up so much battery that battery life overall seemed short. I am using shr-t and it seems battery life is better if anything on both the current (no debug/preempt kernel) and a modified version with even more drastic mods (-O2 instead of -Os) Which brings up - how can a user benchmark a kernel in a way thats relevant for user tasks? BillK On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 21:10 -0300, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2010/1/20 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de I experience a very bad suspend battery life after I started using the faster kernel. Even when I make sure gps, gsm, wifi are turned off. Has anyone noticed this? Or maybe something else is causing this? i got the impression that bluetooth is always on (illume top shelf always shows the bt symbol and a simple hci[tool|config] dev shows the device). no time to dig deeper yet. Over here bluetooth is off, so must be something else. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] installed on uSD ext3 using uboot
On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 15:31 -0800, Joif wrote: I'm no more sure that there is a problem with QtMoko and the uSD, maybe the problem is only the SD. Now I'm unable to boot debian from SD receiving the error posted in the previus post and I don't know why. :( If there is no specific reason to use u-boot, give QI a shot and see what happens. I remember having odd errors like this with older versions of u-boot, are you booting from the one in NOR? Also what kernel are you using? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
2010/1/20 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de: IMO Debian will eventually assimilate everything, including SHR. (Unless there is some major advantage of the OE build and packaging ... Well, I've been hearing that for almost a decade now, but still systems like buildroot, OpenEmbedded, OpenWRT, t2-project, etc. are being preferred on lots of embedded systems. Why do you think is that? (I might be partially wrong and it's not so black-and-white most certainly, but just trying to express why I love Debian over OE) I think it's largely because embedded developers often come from a different IT sector and tend to think the embedded device is something special and small, and that the approach of doing one single image / firmware fits the idea of embedded devices. But as FreeRunner is really a full-blown computer, not a router or other really small device by today's standards, Debian is something that removes the limits of this thinking. Debian has working upgrades, no removal of functionality wrt. i386 computers (unless you want it) and is simply vast in its scope - the fact you can run 95% of the 20k+ packages on FreeRunner and that they are all up-to-date is one statement of how much work has been achieved to keep up the scope of the project for all architectures. Of course most of those are not that practical to use on touch screen, but I wouldn't give the flexibility away. With the (in my opinion) old way of thinking towards this class of embedded devices, Emdebian is probably behind OpenEmbedded. But I think really it's becoming gradually less relevant, device class by device class. The only thing FR is lacking is large enough integrated flash memory, which is why a full Debian is usually used from SD card. Given the storage space of next generation mobile phones, I'd guess 2GB of flash is not a problem and you can fit a full Debian with compilation environment, documentation, office software etc. (and yes, phone software) without any problems. Partially OE is also about cross-compiling. Debian also supports it, but mostly the automatic package building is done on powerful enough ARM computers (512MB memory, 1GHz etc.). So in the old embedded world of thinking, you couldn't/shouldn't also compile on the target hardware (or target architecture) itself, but you have the development machine separately and you simply target the so-called small hardware. For an existing Debian/Ubuntu user, I cannot think of anything better than using Debian also on embedded devices. I use it on FreeRunner and my NAS device. With OE it very often seemed to be that when wanting newer software, flashing was recommended. And OE is simply a much smaller project packaging wise. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/fso on freerunner
Thanks for the offer, but I personally do not see the point, then it will not be anything different from qtmoko / hackable etc))) Change me, for example, WM with on your own, timeouts changed - zhone not work again))) - if there's a way of reviewing that I'm not giving away any personal data that I shouldn't Temporarily change the password root, to remove a normal user (/home* will), or create a blank user (if necessary). PIN in the text zhone no interest))) Maybe something else. - whether and how I should exclude directories like /dev, /proc, /sys and /tmp Depending on the options for the mount, cp -arx, manually delete something. - Thank you for your attention. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/debian-fso-on-freerunner-tp4425059p4432099.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
