Some trickery involved in getting USB Host working on FR?
Hi, Does anyone have any advice for me on how to get the Freerunner to work as a USB Host device? I'd like to use it as the main PC surrounded by USB devices (USBMIDI cable, Powermate) .. is there some special cable I need, or is this now all easily handled at the distro level somehow, and if so: which distro has the easiest-to-use USB Host capabilities? Sorry for these dumb questions, btw .. I'm just trying to get my Freerunner into some useful context in my life, and if I could get it set up with USB Host capabilities that'd be pretty good right now .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
Hi guys, I just release the first version of eStarDict, a offline dictionaries reader, for SHR, the babiloo-efl successor. http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict The big differences between eStarDict ( C ) with babiloo-efl ( Python ): 1) eStarDict doesn't support the sDictionary format 2) performance with the Longman dictionary (43.000 words) the loading time is: babiloo-efl 32 seconds eStarDict 2 seconds ( !!! ) Any comment on the application, source code and wiki is welcomed :) Ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some trickery involved in getting USB Host working on FR?
Jay Vaughan j...@synth.net writes: Does anyone have any advice for me on how to get the Freerunner to work as a USB Host device? I'd like to use it as the main PC surrounded by USB devices (USBMIDI cable, Powermate) .. is there some special cable I need, or is this now all easily handled at the distro level somehow, and if so: which distro has the easiest-to-use USB Host capabilities? To be able to charge your FR and use usb perepherals at the same time you need the Y-cable. The best option would be to get a suitable USB hub and modify it accordingly. For more references see [1] and [2]. Switching to host-mode should be easy with any distro, as it's done on kernel level and is controlled by two sysfs nodes. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode_.28aka_Y-Cable.29 [2] http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/Y-Cable/ -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some trickery involved in getting USB Host working on FR?
To be able to charge your FR and use usb perepherals at the same time you need the Y-cable. The best option would be to get a suitable USB hub and modify it accordingly. For more references see [1] and [2]. Switching to host-mode should be easy with any distro, as it's done on kernel level and is controlled by two sysfs nodes. Great - thanks for the information! I'll go get myself a USB Hub and fire up the soldering iron some time this week .. hope I can share some progress. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free, as in beer, Freerunner - contest over
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 12:48:42PM -0500, Ken Young wrote: If someone wants to tell me what Sendeh roo shamsheer means, I'd still appreciate it, but I have no more prize phones to send. A Persian native-speaking colleague of mine says that it means Live like a man, but that the literal translation is Live like a sword. HTH Jeff signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some trickery involved in getting USB Host working on FR?
Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com writes: you need the Y-cable. The best option would be to get a suitable USB hub and modify it accordingly. For more references see [1] and If you don't want to modify anything you can buy http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13526 which works without any modifications. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Lindi also has some more tips. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [NEW DISTRIBUTION] Announcing NEOPhysis
Yes please some screenshots On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: 34sec bootup time sound's incredible compared to all other distros, WELL DONE!! Are there any screenshots available? Thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some trickery involved in getting USB Host working on FR?
Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Paul Fertserfercer...@gmail.com writes: you need the Y-cable. The best option would be to get a suitable USB hub and modify it accordingly. For more references see [1] and If you don't want to modify anything you can buy http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13526 which works without any modifications. I have this dual-power USB hub too and recommend it. See my photo on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brolin_empey/4209835527/in/pool-openmoko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What to do with FreeRunner / Neo 1973?
On Monday 08 March 2010, Jay Vaughan wrote: one question: I'd like to set it up as a mini- ISP, allowing Wireless/Bluetooth connections to share the Internet over the Freerunner - is this possible yet, or is it still pretty much a difficult thing to set up? I've been quite spoiled with my Android phone tethering for all my devices - if the Freerunner could do this easily enough (is there a GUI?) then I'd have a really interesting place to use it .. Lack of WiFi basestation capability is a closed firmware limitation. Atheros might have a change of heart, but it seems unlikely. I think I've seen reports of Ad Hoc mode working, but i've never tried it.Bluetooth networking works. I'm not sure of the GUI status for either of them, so there may be some editing of config files involved. If you give Android a go it might 'just work'. I've not GUI apps for either in SHR, but i guess Debian has a few. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some trickery involved in getting USB Host working on FR?
Please tell me if you can get MIDI working. I 2010/3/8, Jay Vaughan j...@synth.net: Hi, Does anyone have any advice for me on how to get the Freerunner to work as a USB Host device? I'd like to use it as the main PC surrounded by USB devices (USBMIDI cable, Powermate) .. is there some special cable I need, or is this now all easily handled at the distro level somehow, and if so: which distro has the easiest-to-use USB Host capabilities? Sorry for these dumb questions, btw .. I'm just trying to get my Freerunner into some useful context in my life, and if I could get it set up with USB Host capabilities that'd be pretty good right now .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some trickery involved in getting USB Host working on FR?
Please tell me if you can get MIDI working. I tried it myself but some kernel modules seem to be missing and I couldn't manage to build them myself due to some dependency problems. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
On Monday 08 March 2010 09:26:21 Vaudano Luca wrote: Hi guys, 1) eStarDict doesn't support the sDictionary format 2) performance with the Longman dictionary (43.000 words) the loading time is: babiloo-efl 32 seconds eStarDict 2 seconds ( !!! ) =:) I've just tried it. It rocks! Thank you very much for your work :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
MIDI on FR (was: Re: Some trickery involved in getting USB Host working on FR?)
Denis Shulyaka shuly...@gmail.com writes: Please tell me if you can get MIDI working. I tried it myself but some kernel modules seem to be missing and I couldn't manage to build them myself due to some dependency problems. Please describe your problem in details. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
On Saturday March 06, 2010, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2010/2/2 Josh Thompson om-c...@joshandbianca.net I just tested this on another computer, and the USB networking worked fine. How do I change it to use the usb_storage gadget instead? Previously, I just rmmoded the g_ether gadget and modprobed the g_file_storage one. Depending on my need, I switch back and forth between these two. Did you figure out how to do this? I need to use my FR with WinXP as a storage device and am stuck to this kernel. Unfortunately, no I didn't. I'm still hoping someone that knows more about usb gadgets will figure it out. Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
2010/3/8 Josh Thompson om-c...@joshandbianca.net Unfortunately, no I didn't. I'm still hoping someone that knows more about usb gadgets will figure it out. Josh It seems that the file storage driver is not even built-in. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
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Re: What to do with FreeRunner / Neo 1973?
Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: might have a change of heart, but it seems unlikely. I think I've seen reports of Ad Hoc mode working, but i've never tried it.Bluetooth networking works. Ad hoc works for me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v18 - based on 2.6.32
On Sunday 07 March 2010 22:38:12 Thomas Otterbein wrote: Hi Radek, is it possible to modify the xorg.conf file? At my company we run our system on All-in-One Desktop Machines equipped with Touchscreen. To turn of the mouse enter void as the mouse driver instead of mouse or auto. Even if the corresponding module xserver-xorg-input-void (i.e. void_drv.so) is not present this will lead to X ignoring the mouse events. Hi Thomas, sure, i can modify xorg.conf. My configuration can be found in this document: http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/doc/txt/debian_rootfs_howto.txt But i dont understand where to put the void. BTW. /dev/input/mice is a placeholder to make X read all kinds of mice at once. It is supposed to simplify the configuration as you could replace your PS/2 mouse with a USB one, a touchpad or even a good old serial mouse. But if you know the concrete input of the Touchscreen (cat /proc/bus/input/devices) you can enter this one into the xorg.conf. Maybe i dont understand it correctly, but i thought that touchscreen is different from mouse and should not appear in /dev/input/mice because it generates absolute screen coordinates while mouse generates relative coordinates. But that is just my impression, i havent read any docs about it yet :) Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v18 - based on 2.6.32
Hi Radek, Hi Thomas, sure, i can modify xorg.conf. My configuration can be found in this document: http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/doc/txt/debian_rootfs_howto.txt But i dont understand where to put the void. In you case it would go into line 333: Driver mouse would be replaced with Driver void HOWEVER: Maybe i dont understand it correctly, but i thought that touchscreen is different from mouse and should not appear in /dev/input/mice because it generates absolute screen coordinates while mouse generates relative coordinates. But that is just my impression, i havent read any docs about it yet :) I'm also not a real expert on Touchscreen but until now I was responsible to make 4 different Touchscreens from 3 different vendors work on our embeded Debian system. It all comes to a point where the device is supported by the kernel, either by default (maybe 2.6.32 is such a case for the ts in the neo?), by external (kernel-)modules or by some service started during boot. All this leads to X detecting the Touchscreen as a HID (Human Interface Device (== keyboard, mouse, touchpad, tablet, etc.). Nowadays the less you specify the more X detects itself and usually makes perfect use of it. Typical you enter either /dev/input/mice or you leave the option out and the later will become the default. Bus this causes trouble, at least with any touchscreen I had to configure until now. You have to be more precise about what device is referenced on what input. To do this you have to set Option Device for the mouse and/or for the Touchscreen. Here are two typical configuration we use at our machines: 1. No mouse, Touchscreen replaces the mouse Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver void EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier elo Driver elo Option Device /dev/input/elo Option SendCoreEvents true EndSection 2. Mouse and Touchscreen in paralel Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Device /dev/input/mouse1 EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Touchscreen0 Driver gentouch Option Device /dev/input/mouse2 EndSection Anyway, the NEO will usually not have a mouse attached. I'm therefore not exactly sure what to do on the neo. My first guess would be to check out the /dev/input directory, see if there there are multiple mice listed (mouse0...mouseN) or if another device is present indicating the Touchscreen. If you find such a device you could simply try to add Option Device /dev/input/mouseX to the InputDevice-Section. If that is not enough, play Hope my lengthy explanation is not complete bullshit... ;-) Regards thomas Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [NEW DISTRIBUTION] Announcing NEOPhysis
Aditya Gandhi ha scritto: Yes please some screenshots On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi mailto:ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: 34sec bootup time sound's incredible compared to all other distros, WELL DONE!! Are there any screenshots available? Thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi Hi, you can find some screenshots in the Czech original review here[1], please consider in the new image Litephone and Linphone not present (they are only in OE image) so consider only launcher, power button and dialer screens only :) Thank you, bye. [1] http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=itsl=autotl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openmoko.cz%2Findex.php%2Fblogs%2Fread%2F20 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Rolling dices on OpenMoko
Hi folks, I would like to develop a free software to roll dices (for role playing games). My inspiration comes from : http://www.machwerx.com/apps/MachDice/ which seems to be a very great soft ! Lot of nice ideas, but only for iPhone :( I don't think I could make something better than this soft, which is the result of lots of nice ideas (if you compare v1 and v2 you can see the evolution), but -- being a coder and a role playing gamer -- here are my goals : - using MachDice ideas (entering formulas, having a formula history, having workspaces, can block dices...), because these are great ideas and I don't think it worth trying to find a better conception. MachDice author you're a clever guy, kudos! - a good looking soft, but with low graphics to fit openmoko abilities - a portable software, because openmoko and non-openmoko users could be interested (except iPhone users who already have this soft). - having fun coding it (I don't think I will use it, I love rolling real dices :P) About coding : - for 3D : OpenGl or ??? - for non-3D : Qt4 or EFL. I am not sure about using OpenGl or not... I know the tech, and OpenGl would be great when soft runs on PC, but what about openmoko ? AFAIK, because of a lack of OpenGl ES support, any OpenGl app would run on mesa/software-acceleration-by-cpu. Without OpenGl I don't know how I can do 3d, any idea ? For Qt4 vs EFL : - qt4 is ok for ~all linux distribs, windows, and QtMoko (I think). What about SHR ? - elf is ok for ~all linux distribs (I think), SHR, and some packages exists for windows (http://fr.enlightenment.org/2009/05/31/efl-installateur-windows-xp/) so portability is ok (linux = main target for me) Thanks in advance for any advice (^^) Xavier Cremaschi. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rolling dices on OpenMoko
Em 08-03-2010 18:13, Xavier Cremaschi escreveu: - for 3D : OpenGl or ??? I am not sure about using OpenGl or not... I know the tech, and OpenGl would be great when soft runs on PC, but what about openmoko ? AFAIK, because of a lack of OpenGl ES support, any OpenGl app would run on mesa/software-acceleration-by-cpu. Without OpenGl I don't know how I can do 3d, any idea ? Don't worry so much about fancy hardware 3D support for effects, better a simple 2D fast and working app than fancy but slow or not working. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rolling dices on OpenMoko
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.orgwrote: Em 08-03-2010 18:13, Xavier Cremaschi escreveu: - for 3D : OpenGl or ??? I am not sure about using OpenGl or not... I know the tech, and OpenGl would be great when soft runs on PC, but what about openmoko ? AFAIK, because of a lack of OpenGl ES support, any OpenGl app would run on mesa/software-acceleration-by-cpu. Without OpenGl I don't know how I can do 3d, any idea ? Don't worry so much about fancy hardware 3D support for effects, better a simple 2D fast and working app than fancy but slow or not working. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community give a try asking to mokomaze developer... I think he should give you lots of answers... maybe :) d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v18 - based on 2.6.32
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:16:58 +0100
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
BTW. /dev/input/mice is a placeholder to make X read all kinds of mice at
once. It is supposed to simplify the configuration as you could replace
your PS/2 mouse with a USB one, a touchpad or even a good old serial
mouse. But if you know the concrete input of the Touchscreen (cat
/proc/bus/input/devices) you can enter this one into the xorg.conf.
Maybe i dont understand it correctly, but i thought that touchscreen is
different from mouse and should not appear in /dev/input/mice because it
generates absolute screen coordinates while mouse generates relative
coordinates. But that is just my impression, i havent read any docs about it
yet :)
/dev/input/mice combines multiple point-like device and generates relative
motion events. For a touch screen, it reports differences between consecutive
locations so you can use it like a touchpad.
A key data structure is in drives/input/mousedev.c and is mousedev_ids.
This data structure identifies what sort of devices will be handled
by /dev/input/mice.
It has a section:
{
.flags = INPUT_DEVICE_ID_MATCH_EVBIT |
INPUT_DEVICE_ID_MATCH_KEYBIT |
INPUT_DEVICE_ID_MATCH_ABSBIT,
.evbit = { BIT_MASK(EV_KEY) | BIT_MASK(EV_ABS) },
.keybit = { [BIT_WORD(BTN_TOUCH)] = BIT_MASK(BTN_TOUCH) },
.absbit = { BIT_MASK(ABS_X) | BIT_MASK(ABS_Y) },
}, /* A tablet like device, at least touch detection,
two absolute axes */
which means that any device which generates absolute X and Y events as well
as a key calls 'touch' is included.
In andy-tracking, this stanza has #if 0 / #endif around it.
In om-gta02-2.6.32 it does not.
That might explain the difference.
The #if hack was in there to support X servers that did not support hot-plug
of input devices, so that people could still use e.g a bluetooth mouse
(through /dev/input/mice) it they like, while also getting absolute events
from the touchscreen.
To get things working with 2.6.32 you need to do one of:
- Put the #if 0 hack back
- Tell X not to open /dev/input/mice, so you will not be able to use
e.g. a bluetooth mouse, but there will be no confusion with the
touchscreen.
- Use an X server that supports got-plug of input devices, and make sure
it doesn't open /dev/input/mice as well. This is the ideal configuration,
but last time I looked (a couple of years ago) no such X server existed.
It probably does now - you may even be using it already...
NeilBrown
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Re: Rolling dices on OpenMoko
On 08/03/2010 19:43, Davide Scaini wrote: give a try asking to mokomaze developer... I think he should give you lots of answers... maybe :) d Thanks, very good idea indeed ! Mokomaze can be a perfect model, I will read the source :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
Hi Vaudano Luca we also work with the StarDict. I try to checkout the eStarDict source code but it's give me those error: $ svn co http://code.launchpad.net/estardict/trunk svn: Repository moved temporarily to 'https://code.launchpad.net/estardict/trunk'; please relocate $ svn co https://code.launchpad.net/estardict/trunk svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to OPTIONS request for 'https://code.launchpad.net/estardict/trunk' we are using StarDict in ben NanoNote (http://www.qi-hardware.com) now it's work fine in NanoNote. just some error when quit the StarDict. also it's can display Chinese in NanoNote. some picutre: http://www.openmobilefree.net/?p=411 Vaudano Luca wrote: Hi guys, I just release the first version of eStarDict, a offline dictionaries reader, for SHR, the babiloo-efl successor. http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict The big differences between eStarDict ( C ) with babiloo-efl ( Python ): 1) eStarDict doesn't support the sDictionary format 2) performance with the Longman dictionary (43.000 words) the loading time is: babiloo-efl 32 seconds eStarDict 2 seconds ( !!! ) Any comment on the application, source code and wiki is welcomed :) Ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] eStarDict
Hi I found the source code :-) http://www.vaudano.eu/projects/estardict/estardict-0.1_r54.tar.gz Vaudano Luca wrote: Hi guys, I just release the first version of eStarDict, a offline dictionaries reader, for SHR, the babiloo-efl successor. http://www.vaudano.eu/wiki/en/estardict The big differences between eStarDict ( C ) with babiloo-efl ( Python ): 1) eStarDict doesn't support the sDictionary format 2) performance with the Longman dictionary (43.000 words) the loading time is: babiloo-efl 32 seconds eStarDict 2 seconds ( !!! ) Any comment on the application, source code and wiki is welcomed :) Ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rolling dices on OpenMoko
EFL does 3D too :) On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.comwrote: On 08/03/2010 19:43, Davide Scaini wrote: give a try asking to mokomaze developer... I think he should give you lots of answers... maybe :) d Thanks, very good idea indeed ! Mokomaze can be a perfect model, I will read the source :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
