Delivery of the GTA04
Hello Does anyone know what the status of orders of the GTA04 (GTA04 Group Tour)? It is possible that Golden Delicious report to the list, but in any case, I lost the comments. I apologize. Thank you. GRiera. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] [ANN] GTA04 Keyboard prototype
On Monday 07 May 2012 13:31:11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > The idea is that the keyboard is integrated in the back battery cover. And > if you remove it, both parts (main body and battery cover/keyboard) are > connected through a small ribbon cable. > > I.e. you remove the keyboard, fold it by 180 degrees so that the keys show > in the same direction as the display and you can us the display in > landscape format. > > If that works out with the snap mechanism of the battery cover and/or if it > needs some physical connection between both parts has to be worked out. > > A complete alternative could be a battery cover with a hinge. Like this > sketch: > > http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/Scan-120507143506.jpeg > > Your phantasy and creativity is asked for... Maybe we can just copy motorola backflip - check videos on youtube, it has big keyboard on the backside - it looks very comfortable and mechanically one of the easier solutions. Btw i have now fullscreen sw keyboard in QtMoko. It has big keys and is very comfortable to use. I will post video later... Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
On Monday, May 07, 2012 02:58:24 PM Patryk Benderz wrote: > Hi all, > regarding recent discussion on de...@lists.openmoko.org [1] I am asking, > how many of you are still using dfu-util for flashing your FR's internal I do but I have not to forget to nand scrub my NAND before booting ( http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1524 ) > memory? > I also would like to inform you about new dfu-util release.[2] thanks. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
[cut] > Will the new version be useable for flashing the openmoko? AFAIK yes. > The mail mentions "Many have switched to Qi", but qi itself needs to > be flashed too right, and so is the root filesystem and the kernel, > right? That is also my understanding, and that is why I asked Stefan and Timo to announce dfu-util here. -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
Of course I'm using dfu-util, are there other tools for flashing the Neo?? (: Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
Dnia 2012-05-07, pon o godzinie 17:18 +0400, Yury Sakarinen pisze: > Hi, Patryk. > > You better use the poll for this purpose. I still use dfu-util for > flashing FR in my debian and ubuntu laptop. > Thank you for new release. Apparently I wasn't clear enough. I didn't even helped with this release, not to mention writing some code. I have just _informed_ you about new release, and provided links to post with authors information. Again: credits go to Stefan Schmidt, Tormod Volden and Satz Klauer (maybe others...) -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
[cut] > So thanks for this new release and for the windows release because > some time I have to use wndows to my work. Hi, credits go to Stefan Schmidt, Tormod Volden and Satz Klauer (maybe others...) -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
[cut] > Hi Patryk, > > Some weeks ago, I tried to use 0.5 and it did not worked in FreeBSD > 9-CURRENT; I went to the git version and could not autoconf it; I could > send you the details if you are interested it; only for that reason I > switched now to SD card to install SHR in my GTA02; Hi Matthias, I am unable to help you out with this, regarding problems with dfu-util you should rather contact with it's developers... maybe here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2012-April/007243.html This topic aims only to measure dfu-util popularity. -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
I'm using dfu-utils time to time. I have "stable" version of QtMoko on flash and testing on MMC card. Dne 7.5.2012 14:58, Patryk Benderz napsal(a): Hi all, regarding recent discussion on de...@lists.openmoko.org [1] I am asking, how many of you are still using dfu-util for flashing your FR's internal memory? I also would like to inform you about new dfu-util release.[2] [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2012-May/007245.html [2] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2012-April/007243.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 14:58 +0200, Patryk Benderz wrote:
> how many of you are still using dfu-util for flashing your FR's internal
> memory?
I don't have a Freerunner, I have a 1973 and I use dfu-util to flash its
internal memory.
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Re: [Gta04-owner] [ANN] GTA04 Keyboard prototype
On Monday 07 May 2012 15:44:00 Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Monday, May 07, 2012 a las 03:31:11PM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: > > The idea is that the keyboard is integrated in the back battery cover. And > > if you remove it, both parts (main body and battery cover/keyboard) are > > connected through a small ribbon cable. > > > > I.e. you remove the keyboard, fold it by 180 degrees so that the keys show > > in the same direction as the display and you can us the display in > > landscape format. > > > > If that works out with the snap mechanism of the battery cover and/or if > > it needs some physical connection between both parts has to be worked > > out. > > I don't want to be negative (just reaistic), the list of disadvantages > of such a solution (keyboard in battery cover, or with hinge) is: > > 1) works only on desktop or table surface, i.e. not while walking or > standing; > > 2) open the battery cover many more times (as for hard reset with battery > lift) will break the case soon; > > 3) you are forced to use landscape applications, while most of the apps > today are in portait; > > 4) perhaps your battery will fall out (if not secured with something) in > a lot of cases, esp. if it is the most important situation :-) > > to be continued... > > matthias If thinking out loud is allowed... If you move the battery inside the keyboard part and make the hinge a bit bigger, you could use it as a screen protector if you fold the keyboard in front of the display. And if you fold it the otherway, it could fit in what currently is the battery area. Just my 2 cents.. Kind regards, Ed___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
On Monday 07 May 2012 14:58:24 Patryk Benderz wrote: > Hi all, > regarding recent discussion on de...@lists.openmoko.org [1] I am asking, > how many of you are still using dfu-util for flashing your FR's internal > memory? > I also would like to inform you about new dfu-util release.[2] > > [1] > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2012-May/007245.html > > [2] > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2012-April/007243.html Hi Patrick, I use dfu-util to flash my device every now and then. Will the new version be useable for flashing the openmoko? The mail mentions "Many have switched to Qi", but qi itself needs to be flashed too right, and so is the root filesystem and the kernel, right? Or did i miss something obvious? Kind regards, Ed___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
Hi, Personally I flash my main distribution with dfu-util and I have another one on my sdcard to be able to do all what I want (and some tests). Using Qi permit me to switch easyly between my two actual distibutions. So thanks for this new release and for the windows release because some time I have to use wndows to my work. Regards, Adrien Dorsaz___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] [ANN] GTA04 Keyboard prototype
El día Monday, May 07, 2012 a las 03:31:11PM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: > The idea is that the keyboard is integrated in the back battery cover. And if > you remove > it, both parts (main body and battery cover/keyboard) are connected through a > small > ribbon cable. > > I.e. you remove the keyboard, fold it by 180 degrees so that the keys show in > the same > direction as the display and you can us the display in landscape format. > > If that works out with the snap mechanism of the battery cover and/or if it > needs > some physical connection between both parts has to be worked out. > I don't want to be negative (just reaistic), the list of disadvantages of such a solution (keyboard in battery cover, or with hinge) is: 1) works only on desktop or table surface, i.e. not while walking or standing; 2) open the battery cover many more times (as for hard reset with battery lift) will break the case soon; 3) you are forced to use landscape applications, while most of the apps today are in portait; 4) perhaps your battery will fall out (if not secured with something) in a lot of cases, esp. if it is the most important situation :-) to be continued... matthias -- Matthias Apitz e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] [ANN] GTA04 Keyboard prototype
Am 07.05.2012 um 08:47 schrieb Butrus Damaskus: > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: >> >> Am 03.05.2012 um 10:03 schrieb Butrus Damaskus: >> >>> Very interresting, but I'm a little bit puzzled as how it should work >>> in the real life... >> >> That is a task for further study and optimization. We have just built one >> unit >> and we need some 3D printed cases to do a better evaluation. > > Ok, so let's start discuss that ;-). > > My question was if you foresee the keyboard to be detachable somehow > (than placing it on the rear side > of OpenMoko would make sense) or whether there would be some mechanism > to "open" the keyboard. > Otherwise I cannot understand how the keboard on the backside would be used... The idea is that the keyboard is integrated in the back battery cover. And if you remove it, both parts (main body and battery cover/keyboard) are connected through a small ribbon cable. I.e. you remove the keyboard, fold it by 180 degrees so that the keys show in the same direction as the display and you can us the display in landscape format. If that works out with the snap mechanism of the battery cover and/or if it needs some physical connection between both parts has to be worked out. A complete alternative could be a battery cover with a hinge. Like this sketch: http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/Scan-120507143506.jpeg Your phantasy and creativity is asked for... > >> Some more general thought: I am not sure how we should handle such ideas and >> how this community sees its role. >> >> Should we announce/publish immediately as soon as we have a prototype? > > Yes, please ;-) > >> And ask the community for comments and participation in improving it? > > I would say yes :) > >> Or should we silently >> finish some design and work with beta testers not on this list... >> >> I think this is a fundamental difference to open software development. There >> we can >> have a stable, a testing and an experimental branch and everyone can download >> the one he/she likes. With hardware we have to build physical protoypes and >> make >> experiments (which are not for free) to find out what a good solution is. >> >> Nikolaus > > > >>> >>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller >>> wrote: Hi, we have developed a prototype for a 80 button QWERTY keyboard PCB that could eventually be connected/integrated into the GTA04. It should fit into a specially designed battery cover so that you can easily stow it away if not needed. Such battery covers could be produced individually through 3D printing solving the issue of manageing and stocking 20 different key layouts. But watch yourself how we think it can look like: http://youtu.be/WM94%5fR5eKcc There is also a new video showing a comparison with some other keyboards: http://youtu.be/wGASnE1zGh4 Pleas tell us if you like this idea and what you would like to pay for such an extension unit through the Wishlist function of our shop: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3AKeyboard Two issues are still to be developed: a) how to reliably connect it to the GTA04 PCB (soldering copper wires or a FFCs is a little difficult so it should have a tiny, flexible but robust B2B cable). Maybe, we can use a micro-USB socket or similar (we need to connect 6 wires). This may also need a redesign of the GTA04 board (for a nice plug) b) design a 3D printable case with key-caps that is robust enough If you want to support us for developing this idea, please give us a kickstart donation. Nikolaus PS: the keyboard driver for the TCA8418 is already part of Linux 3.3 - and has been backported to the 2.6.32-kernel. This has been tested to work on a BeagleBoard XM. http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-kernel.git;a=commit;h=f19d5c430458bbce8955bc9e04dd161f6a80347d It just needs platform data in the board file: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-kernel.git;a=blobdiff;f=arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3gta04.c;h=8a7e4b0803920f635e7101bfbd5a60b6b84b1107;hp=3e49efef2de0b42cd419a46a9cd45448fd04a44c;hb=4b2de3db742abce9212c1af2cc576e2a3a64b0d9;hpb=1d7c6b5f043661621ec374d96c3c4a4454f9bb7b ___ Gta04-owner mailing list gta04-ow...@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo/gta04-owner >>> ___ >>> Gta04-owner mailing list >>> gta04-ow...@goldelico.com >>> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo/gta04-owner >> >> ___ >> Gta04-owner mailing list >> gta04-ow...@goldelico.com >> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo/gta
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
El día Monday, May 07, 2012 a las 02:58:24PM +0200, Patryk Benderz escribió: > Hi all, > regarding recent discussion on de...@lists.openmoko.org [1] I am asking, > how many of you are still using dfu-util for flashing your FR's internal > memory? > I also would like to inform you about new dfu-util release.[2] > > [1] > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2012-May/007245.html > > [2] > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2012-April/007243.html Hi Patryk, Some weeks ago, I tried to use 0.5 and it did not worked in FreeBSD 9-CURRENT; I went to the git version and could not autoconf it; I could send you the details if you are interested it; only for that reason I switched now to SD card to install SHR in my GTA02; Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
Hi, Patryk. You better use the poll for this purpose. I still use dfu-util for flashing FR in my debian and ubuntu laptop. Thank you for new release. Patryk Benderz писал 07.05.2012 16:58: Hi all, regarding recent discussion on de...@lists.openmoko.org [1] I am asking, how many of you are still using dfu-util for flashing your FR's internal memory? I also would like to inform you about new dfu-util release.[2] [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2012-May/007245.html [2] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2012-April/007243.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: *.openmoko.org infrastructure
roh, gismo and myself (at least) have root on all the boxes. There is no prescribed contact procedure, and there is nobody who is even officially supposed to maintain the machines and/or the software and configurations on them. roh and gismo used to be doing paid syssadmin work for Openmoko Inc., until the company pulled out of mobile phones. After that, roh and gismo have still been able to continuing to donate some of their spare time to it, but with a lot of other involvements, the amount of time available for that is probably just the bare minimum to keep things alive, and not any major migrations. Hi, I am system administrator and OpenMoko/GTA02 user/developer. I am working in Magento inc. and my primary job is web and related areas. I have experience with RHEL/Debian/FreeBSD/OpenSolaris. Also i am participating in some Open Source projects, e.g. smartmontools or FreeBSD. I would be glad to help with system administration of OpenMoko servers, because i am very interested in this project and want to help it somehow. If you need more information about me - please contact me directly, using samm [at] os2.kiev.ua address. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[dfu-util] who use it for flashing FR?
Hi all, regarding recent discussion on de...@lists.openmoko.org [1] I am asking, how many of you are still using dfu-util for flashing your FR's internal memory? I also would like to inform you about new dfu-util release.[2] [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2012-May/007245.html [2] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2012-April/007243.html -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] [ANN] GTA04 Keyboard prototype
Lionel Broche writes: > Hello, > > I have been thinking for a while to try a forearm-mounting casing for > the openmoko. A casing that you would clip on the left (or right) > forearm, that would be thin enough to fit under the sleeves or even > covered with a piece of nice fabric to look like a cloth. > This keyboard would probably fit well on the forearm together with the > screen and it would make the whole thing easier to use. I am also > thinking to place the antenna on the outside of the arm, above a piece > of aluminum foil in order to reflect the radiated power and to protect > the user from RF field. > At the moment I don't have the GTA04, but I can make some rough > drawings from the CAD files (I will need to download them). Would > there be other people interested in this new way of carring your > phone? I previously had some positive comments on the forum about > this, so I think we could probably start a small group if there is > enough interest. I'm also very interested in making a wearable out of the gta04, and I'd buy your design to sponsor its development if it were available. > > About the announcement itself, I think it is always good to show new > ideas at early stages. This makes it possible for the community to > orient the development of the project if they see better/different > ways to use it. It also shows the level of interest. > > Lionel > > > > On 3 May 2012 09:41, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > > > Some more general thought: I am not sure how we should handle > such ideas > > and how this community sees its role. > > > > Should we announce/publish immediately as soon as we have a > prototype? > > And ask the community for comments and participation in > improving it? Or > > should we silently finish some design and work with beta testers > not on > > this list... > > > From external point of view, having more information about what is > going on > is definitly better. > > However, it is you who is actually doing things, it's up to you to > decide > if to show your eraly prototypes and collect feedback or not. > > > > Nikita > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
