OpenPhoenux P.I.W.O. talk
Hello, Yesterday I was giving a OpenPhoenux themed talk titled Free Mobile - when Android is not enough on local Free Software event in Poznań, Poland - http://piwo.informatyka.org/ Here you can see the slides I've prepared for the presentation: http://neo900.org/piwo/piwo.pdf It's mostly a basic introduction to the Openmoko/OpenPhoenux world, but it also contains some info about the modem monitoring/sandboxing solution that is going to be implemented in Neo900, so it might be interesting for some of you :) Feel free to use the slides if you're also going to give some OpenPhoenux related talk somewhere! Cheers, -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Apologies for not replying sooner. Thanks for the replies. I tried the SIM in another phone and it does work, and another SIM in this one does not (both the same network). Quoth Michael Spacefalcon: What modem firmware version is this? Revision is: GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11 So Moko11, I guess ;) Since the GSM modem is no longer an impenetrable black box, you could try debugging the apparently misbehaving modem using standard Free Software debugging methods: study the source and the documentation, and make use of the modem debug interface accessible via the headset jack. Start by taking QtMoko high-level software out of the equation and talking AT commands directly to the modem: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM Try the AT commands shown on that wiki page, and tell us the results. That right there might spot an issue. That's a good idea. I'm hitting a snag before I get very far, though. Namely that I don't know which process is in charge of the GSM, so which one to kill to stop the phone accessing. lsof would probably tell me, but I can't install it because it's tough to get the wifi to work (which I generally don't care about). Can somebody who knows QtMoko advise which process to kill? There is no gsmd, as suggested on the OM wiki. Thanks, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote: I tried the SIM in another phone and it does work, and another SIM in this one does not (both the same network). OK, good observation. The problem is now narrowed down to the FR, rather than network coverage in your area, your service subscription or the SIM issued for it. There is one more thing we need to check before proceeding further, though. That other phone you used to confirm your SIMs as good, what kind of phone is it? Is it 2G or 3G? If the latter, please look through its menus and see if there is an option to force 2G mode. The reason for this exploration is to eliminate the possibility that GSM (aka 2G) service in your geographical area stopped working, knocking out Free Firmware phones while closed proprietary Apple/ Samsung/GTA04/etc still work on UMTS.. (In the event that some part of the world with a nonzero population of Free Firmware phone users does kill its GSM service, there are two possible ways for us to react to that development: either try to liberate one of the newer 3G+ phones/modems, or build our own GSM 2G network for our own use. If/when this situation ever occurs in my part of the world, I will do the latter, as I consider GSM/2G to be superior to 3G crap both technically and morally.) Assuming that your email TLD matches your location, you are doing this in the UK, right? Do you know if your service provider operates a 900 MHz GSM network, a 1800 MHz one, or both? Revision is: GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11 So Moko11, I guess ;) Any particular reason you have not yet upgraded to leo2moko-r1 aka moko12? While it is very unlikely that performing this fw update will fix the problem, running fw with a published Corresponding Source and a linker map listing will likely be a prerequisite for some of the more advanced troubleshooting steps, so you might as well do it now.. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM [...] That's a good idea. I'm hitting a snag before I get very far, though. Namely that I don't know which process is in charge of the GSM, so which one to kill to stop the phone accessing. According to this web page: http://winterveldt.co.za/leo2moko-p3.html the command you need is: /etc/init.d/qtmoko-neo stop (Whether the intent is to talk manual AT commands to the modem or to reflash it, the step of stopping QtMoko should be the same.) lsof would probably tell me, but I can't install it because it's tough to get the wifi to work (which I generally don't care about). Huh? WiFi? While you do need an ssh connection into the Neo, why does it have to be WiFi? Doesn't QtMoko support eth-over-usb networking like the others? HTH, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Quoth Michael Spacefalcon: Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote: I tried the SIM in another phone and it does work, and another SIM in this one does not (both the same network). OK, good observation. The problem is now narrowed down to the FR, rather than network coverage in your area, your service subscription or the SIM issued for it. There is one more thing we need to check before proceeding further, though. That other phone you used to confirm your SIMs as good, what kind of phone is it? Is it 2G or 3G? If the latter, please look through its menus and see if there is an option to force 2G mode. The reason for this exploration is to eliminate the possibility that GSM (aka 2G) service in your geographical area stopped working, knocking out Free Firmware phones while closed proprietary Apple/ Samsung/GTA04/etc still work on UMTS.. The phone that works is 3G, and it doesn't seem to have a 'force 2G' option anywhere. I'm in the Greater Boston area, so I can't imagine the phone company could just have turned off 2G here yet; there are too many subscribers around. Assuming that your email TLD matches your location, you are doing this in the UK, right? Do you know if your service provider operates a 900 MHz GSM network, a 1800 MHz one, or both? As I said, I'm in the USA now, and I'm on ATT, FWIW. Revision is: GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11 So Moko11, I guess ;) Any particular reason you have not yet upgraded to leo2moko-r1 aka moko12? While it is very unlikely that performing this fw update will fix the problem, running fw with a published Corresponding Source and a linker map listing will likely be a prerequisite for some of the more advanced troubleshooting steps, so you might as well do it now.. The only reason is laziness. I like following your work very much, and am glad you're doing it, and planned to upgrade eventually. I might as well do it now indeed... Will do so tomorrow, when I debug this further. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM [...] That's a good idea. I'm hitting a snag before I get very far, though. Namely that I don't know which process is in charge of the GSM, so which one to kill to stop the phone accessing. According to this web page: http://winterveldt.co.za/leo2moko-p3.html the command you need is: /etc/init.d/qtmoko-neo stop (Whether the intent is to talk manual AT commands to the modem or to reflash it, the step of stopping QtMoko should be the same.) Ah great, thanks, that sounds like just the ticket. lsof would probably tell me, but I can't install it because it's tough to get the wifi to work (which I generally don't care about). Huh? WiFi? While you do need an ssh connection into the Neo, why does it have to be WiFi? Doesn't QtMoko support eth-over-usb networking like the others? It does, I expect, I just haven't set it up to do that yet. Basically because I just want a dumbphone that works, really, so tend towards laziness regarding my phone nowadays. HTH, It certainly does, thanks, I'll report back tomorrow. Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote: The phone that works is 3G, and it doesn't seem to have a 'force 2G' option anywhere. The option in question often goes by different names: it may also be named network type or network selection etc, with the choices being GSM or WCDMA or both. Try selecting GSM if you can find the elusive option. I'm in the Greater Boston area, Ahh - I didn't realize you were still here in the States - I remember you asking on this list a few months ago about GSM frequency bands in USA, with the intention of traveling to Boston area, but it was back in February, so I thought the trip was over and you were back home in the UK. How long ago have you arrived in Boston? Is the FR-not-working problem something that happened upon arrival in USA, or has it been working for you for a while in this part of the world? so I can't imagine the phone company could just have turned off 2G here yet; there are too many subscribers around. [...] As I said, I'm in the USA now, and I'm on ATT, FWIW. Ahh, so you decided to be adventurous and use ATT instead of the more tried tested T-Mobile. Before we spend an inordinate amount of effort figuring out why your FR doesn't work on ATT in Boston, perhaps you could try a T-Mobile SIM card just as a quick test? If you don't have one, just go into any T-Mobile store and ask them to borrow a SIM for a few minutes to test in your phone while inside their store. Also if there is any chance you might visit California before you go back to the UK, we could meet up and do some GSM hacking together. :) Basically because I just want a dumbphone that works, really, so tend towards laziness regarding my phone nowadays. If you are using your FR as an oversized dumbphone, have you considered using a real dumbphone instead? You might want to grab a Mot C139 on ebay while they are still available - it is one of the models which I am using for FreeCalypso firmware bring-up (along with the Neo FR and Pirelli DP-L10) before building my own dumbphone hardware, and it has the advantage of being a very simple dumbphone with full schematics available (unlike the Pirelli). That Linux application processor on the Neo really adds a lot of extra complexity into the mix, and I find true dumbphones to be much easier to work with, as in hack, troubleshoot and actually use on an everyday basis. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
