Re: wesnoth
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 00:08, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed it on 2008.8 (testing base), and when I try to run it I get : wesnoth: symbol lookup error: wesnoth: undefined symbol: _ZN5boost9iostreams4zlib8deflatedE libboost version installed was from om repository, version 1.33.1-r2 I had to do opkg -force-downgrade libboost-iostreams1.33.1_1.33.1-r1_armv4t.ipk (I used ipk from http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=22124start=0st=0sk=tsd=a ) this resolved previous error. not all ok yet though... now I have : error audio: Could not initialize audio: No available audio device error I tried aoss wesnoth audio error disappeared but still have error and after initializing screen it stops (only reach end of progress bar, loading title screen). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distribution choice
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 20:41, Kevin Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are debating between Om 2007.2 and Om 2008.8. Which release is more stable? 2007.2 or 2008.8, in regards to the Freerunner. 2007.2 is not supported anymore ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 06:00, Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 09 September 2008 02:27:05 Cédric Berger wrote: Is there a possibility you will be releasing a rootfs archive? That'd rock. there is already a qtopia update archive with qtopia stack files only. it comes with a little script to replace these files (/opt/Nokia/Qtopia/) (just beware if you have qtopia X11 apps installed, this script might delete them) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 14:02, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 06:00, Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 09 September 2008 02:27:05 Cédric Berger wrote: Is there a possibility you will be releasing a rootfs archive? That'd rock. there is already a qtopia update archive with qtopia stack files only. it comes with a little script to replace these files (/opt/Nokia/Qtopia/) (just beware if you have qtopia X11 apps installed, this script might delete them) I meant this snapshot http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=82 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 00:29, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.sh start or ln -s /etc/init.d/qpe.sh /etc/rc5.d/S98qpe.sh to make it start up automatically on boot. (dont forget to remove the link in /etc/rc5.d to xserver-nodm Thanks. But I still can't get it start : it goes to the empty screen with blinking cursor at top, and stays stucked here. Where should I look for a log of what is happening ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 21:54, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Where should I look for a log of what is happening ? You can run qtopia form the console (ssh). just do this: source /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env qpe and this will most likely tell you whats up. Btw, is this on gta01? no, gta02. I'll try again. I thought it might be it is stuck browsing my 8GB card (though I think i disabled it through editing /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf)... but it should get to main screen anyway ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech Qtopia (not X11) on 2008.8 base rootfs
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 21:54, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: source /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env qpe and this will most likely tell you whats up. Ok thanks, this way I could get the error message : qpe: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia] Does qtopia desktop work with freerunner?
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 16:30, Kieran Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lorn, Could you perhaps point us in the direction of this program? I haven't been able to find it myself, and I worry it's one of those Trolltech secrets :) I think it is a commercial plugin for Outlook (must search on Trolltech site...) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia update
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 02:30, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have updated qtopia at qtopia.net Fixes include sms messages not retrieved after resume. Qtopia getting confused between two calls. Make default call volume down and mic up (only in flash update). Added echo fix. I have upgraded to version of 08/28 (whole jffs2 image), just keeping my /home then did opkg upgrade, and then upgraded latest qtopia version (via script) I do not to what point this is related, but it is the second time in 2 days that it sucked my battery flat during the night. (apparently suspended ok but I cannot be sure). Before these updates (for about 1 month), it only happened once (I think it was wifi stuck in lookup or something like that). On the other hand, the bug I filled before was corrected : I can select another provider when it is roaming. (but still cannot set manual mode for the currently selected provider, I will have a look at this problem) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: specific absorption rate
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 01:20, Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That assumes the ear piece is the antenna. Not always the case. In the case of the FR, I don't know if this is the case or not. the GSM antenna for the Neo is at the bottom (under the mic, not the speaker). So it is a little less close to your head. And it must also have been taken in account in SAR values -radiations are measured in normal operations, phone put near the head- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/apm/apmd - experimenting
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 13:41, Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know which one is better, but after a short test with apm -s i found out that the script in the suspend.d dir is not executed at suspend. :/ These scripts worked well for me (tested on trolltech's qtopia), but it failed when I first tried (oops partition table gone again...). = I guess that was because I had not set execution rights on the script files. After I did, it worked. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia 4.3.2 release
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:06, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have updated the flash images for both the 1973 and Freerunner. The flash images also include the recent fix by tick regarding garbled sms messages such as the kind that voicemail messages generates. (thanks for that!). You will have to get the source snapshots for this. Thanks. But I do not understand : the fix is included in the flash image ? So why will have to get the source snapshots for this ? Was the rootfs updated in the flash image since 2008/08/08 version (I mean except /opt/Qtopia) ? Or is it the same to start from 2008/08/08 and use the Qtopia update only ? I did not opkg upgrade anymore since 0808 because it did not work for me... what about now ? is it safe ? (and from which repository ?) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:25, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a sandisk 8gb card, and it works just fine. I seem to recall reading somewhere that 8gb was the biggest a FR could handle? or was it that 8gb is the biggest that is known to work? what means fine exactly? - no bootsector corruption? - no sudden data corruption? - lost card on resume? if so, which kernel are you using? I have just bought a Sandisk mobile Ultra 8GB . ( C8151033340SX ) Looks like I have the problem on resume. I copied (on my laptop, via 'cp ...') the installs I had on the 512MB one : 1 4gb FAT partition with the uImage.bin (one for each other partition) 1 512mb ext3 partition with qtopia (0808 release from qtopia.net) 1 512mb ext3 partition with 2008.8 rootfs But I have now more partitions (and these 2 ext3 ones are logical ones now, and recognized as mmcblk0p5 and mmcblk0p6 instead of mmcblk0p2 and mmcblk0p3 before -can I change that ?-, so I had to change uboot menu...) My installs still work ok, except that when the phone suspends, I cannot resume at all. So yes the card is probably not remounted correctly. I will try with from my NAND installed 2007.2, if after resume, it works ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:50, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by repartitioning -- but first you better post the output of fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 result of fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 (from 2007.2 booted from NAND ): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 8168 MB, 8168931328 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 993 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 536 4305388+ b Win95 FAT32 /dev/mmcblk0p2 863 993 1052257+ 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p3 537 862 2618595 5 Extended /dev/mmcblk0p5 537 601 522081 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p6 * 602 666 522081 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p7 667 731 522081 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p8 732 796 522081 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p9 797 862 530113+ 83 Linux Partition table entries are not in disk order Ok so my last partition is the second in partition table (mmcblk0p2). Then the extended one containing the 5 logical is mmcblk0p3. * can I change this table order without losing partition data ? * can I have Extended partition number (mmcblk0p3 now) to be after the logical ones (so that mmcnlk0p2 and mmcblk0p3 refer to the 2 first logical ones, -just the same as in my 512MB card-) ? What is funny on my ubuntu laptop is that mount points are not always in the same order. I have to be carefull ! (of course I can fix mount points once for all on my pc -and also access rights for ext3-, but when I plug the card in another PC, I have the problem back...) On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:45, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:28, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, it's not. but your description is rather confusting: 1 primary fat 5 extended ext3 1 primary ext3 i can't quite imagine how your partition table looks like. 5 logical. Here I only have pc on windows : as seen on XP : (ext3 not recognized) http://cedricberger.free.fr/partitions.png ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:41, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:25, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what means fine exactly? - no bootsector corruption? - no sudden data corruption? - lost card on resume? if so, which kernel are you using? I have just bought a Sandisk mobile Ultra 8GB . ( C8151033340SX ) Looks like I have the problem on resume. My installs still work ok, except that when the phone suspends, I cannot resume at all. So yes the card is probably not remounted correctly. I will try with from my NAND installed 2007.2, if after resume, it works I confirm both problems of card not mounted on resume, and partition table corruption (resp. 1st suspend and 2nd suspend) : NAND 2007.2 can resume (except that it was so long I was about to post that it failed to), but the card is indeed on /dev/mmcblk1 now ! (and no more mounted) And if I go to suspend a second time... it is back on /dev/mmcblk0 , but : ~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 8168 MB, 8168931328 bytes 4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 249296 cylinders Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes Disk /dev/mmcblk0 doesn't contain a valid partition table Ouch this time my partition table really have to be fixed :-p !! On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 15:31, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: result of fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 (from 2007.2 booted from NAND ): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 8168 MB, 8168931328 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 993 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 536 4305388+ b Win95 FAT32 /dev/mmcblk0p2 863 993 1052257+ 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p3 537 862 2618595 5 Extended /dev/mmcblk0p5 537 601 522081 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p6 * 602 666 522081 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p7 667 731 522081 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p8 732 796 522081 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p9 797 862 530113+ 83 Linux Partition table entries are not in disk order ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card
Thanks ! Anyway my partition table is now crashed thanks to suspend/resume issue. I go digging in mailing list, I think I saw ways to recover... else I'll have to start from 0... On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 16:05, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * can I change this table order without losing partition data ? nope. * can I have Extended partition number (mmcblk0p3 now) to be after the logical ones (so that mmcnlk0p2 and mmcblk0p3 refer to the 2 first logical ones, -just the same as in my 512MB card-) ? nope. the logicla partitions are inside the extended partition -- numbers have to be bigger than the number of the extended partition. if you like partition number independent identifiers use labels -- either when creating the xt2 fs or afterwards with tune2fs, argument -L. What is funny on my ubuntu laptop is that mount points are not always in the same order. I have to be carefull ! (of course I can fix mount points once for all on my pc -and also access rights for ext3-, but when I plug the card in another PC, I have the problem back...) you probably need to fix the udev script that creates the mount points. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 17:26, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway my partition table is now crashed thanks to suspend/resume issue. I go digging in mailing list, I think I saw ways to recover... else I'll have to start from 0... any linux distribution should offer tools to recover lost partitions and recreate partitiontables. i think parted is one. after recovery backup your bootsector by doing dd if=/dev/mmcbl0 of=boot.backup bs=512 count=1 in case you loose it again, do dd if=boot.backup of=/dev/mmcblk0 that's on your host! i don't know, if that works from fr, though. thank you, that will help me a lot ! On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 16:35, Vikas Saurabh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could recover the data by creating the same paritioning and then re-downloading the kernel in the first partition (one of teh post suggested that the bug actually eats up a sector from the first partition as wellI didn't check and downloading the kernel was pretty easy). How did you recreate the same partitioning ? Informations from my fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 before the corruption will be enough to recreate it the same way ? Anyway I guess I'll first try to find a tool to do the recovery... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SDHC 16GB 15MB/s card
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 18:17, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you recreate the same partitioning ? Informations from my fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 before the corruption will be enough to recreate it the same way ? yupp. just make sure you use blocks as unit. ok it works. I recreated the table with fdisk. (fortunately I had the fdisk -l output I posted before !) I tried before testdisk but it could not detect correctly my partitions (presence of logical partition may also have complicated its task) Time for me to backup the table now ! Thanks again for the help. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:42, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still same questions on the same subject, and also with the new 2008.8 repository here / coming : On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is the image (from http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ : Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)) created ? It is said to be created from a rootfs from FSO. - why FSO ? (lighter maybe ?) Can we use another base rootfs ? - what is specific to qtopia image ? Qtopia is added, but what else is changed ? - is opkg upgrade safe ? (as I understand it will not update qtopia itself, but normally should not break it) opkg is now using repositories on buildhost. Will it then be pointing to 2008.8 repositories (with stable-testing-...) ? Or will it have its own repositories ? Or... both common repositories with 2008.8 and specific ones ? About current release, except that now Qtopia 2008.8 installs some of its qtopia package into /opt/qtopia, are 2008.8 repositories safe for Qtopia distro ? (I would say no, but not sure...) Since rootfs for Qtopia (supposedly) comes from FSO distro, maybe I should instead use FSO repositories to opkg update qtopia distro ?... (new ones from http://shr.bearstech.com ) And I began trying to build qtopia using trolltech's snaphot and toolchain, but still no luck with it... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia Wlan gui
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:15, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le mardi 19 août 2008 à 00:21 +0200, Cédric Berger a écrit : On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 09:55, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le samedi 16 août 2008 à 17:06 +0200, Cédric Berger a écrit : I think it is in : /home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0 In what field to you type your key ? I tried typing a bogus key from the gui and it didn't show anywhere in this file, but appeared in /home/root/Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf looks like /home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0 is updated when trying to connect. From /home/root/Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf, you mean ? Probably... maybe also with infos from access point but I really don't know... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 16:49, Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a few questions 1) Are the any technical obstacles to this idea? 2) What is the frequency range of the speaker? 3) What is the frequency range of the microphone? 4) Any other comments of ideas? I would think main problem is microphone sensitivity/speaker strength. Hard to get over noise. But I am curious to know to what point this could work ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 17:09, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think main problem is microphone sensitivity/speaker strength. Hard to get over noise. But I am curious to know to what point this could work ! mmm and probably also reflections caused by objects closer than the one to mesure (even within the phone itself). Even more since the speaker is not directional. And it is difficult not to have other objects in range ! (operator,) This problem is solved for the OLPC example, if there is 2 laptops. (first sound received is ok for measurement, any other reflection comes later). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia Wlan gui
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 09:55, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le samedi 16 août 2008 à 17:06 +0200, Cédric Berger a écrit : I think it is in : /home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0 In what field to you type your key ? I tried typing a bogus key from the gui and it didn't show anywhere in this file, but appeared in /home/root/Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf looks like /home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0 is updated when trying to connect. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 21:45, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 14 August 2008 5:49:58 pm Cédric Berger wrote: Now I have to reboot in 2007.2, use libgsmd-tool to register my provider, and reboot back to qtopia ! why do you need to do this? What AT commands are you needing to provide? In this case, it is AT+COPS=1,2,20810 where 20810 is my provider mm I may also ask for manual mode (not roaming automatically).. don't remember the command right now. I have a bug filled for this case where qtopia seems to issue these commands without the quotes, and it fails... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QTopia and WiFi
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 20:22, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway bottom line is does work. -- Thanks, I'll try again Well I manage to have it say connected, but have no network access... will keep trying I also have to try other settings of my modem wifi (TKIP, AES, or TKIP+AES ...) (Unless your success have anything related to your recompile of qtopia, ie. with openssl activated) Did you set anything, such as DNS server manually (in config files...) ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 01:49, Tim Coggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Tim Erwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone point me towards some good Qtopia images? Latest qtopia image here: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=77 That appears to be the image that's causing the GSM problems people have experienced, although I'm assuming it's a kernel issue. I reinstalled this version to be sure I was testing the right one (I already had this one but had done some opkg upgrade since) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 22:01, Paul Buede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot find libgsmd-tool on qtopia, is it there somewhere, or by a different name? Then I could give you some real numbers... gsmd is not installed for qtopia. I would like to know what is the best method here to issue AT command to the modem ? Even a simple method (like an echo AT tty ) would help if it worked (I often need to get back to my provider and stop roaming. I have to do it manually since qtopia fails to) I previously had installed cu and could access /dev/ttySAC0 . but cu is not here in my reinstalled distribution. Now I have to reboot in 2007.2, use libgsmd-tool to register my provider, and reboot back to qtopia ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
Still same questions on the same subject, and also with the new 2008.8 repository here / coming : On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is the image (from http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ : Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)) created ? It is said to be created from a rootfs from FSO. - why FSO ? (lighter maybe ?) Can we use another base rootfs ? - what is specific to qtopia image ? Qtopia is added, but what else is changed ? - is opkg upgrade safe ? (as I understand it will not update qtopia itself, but normally should not break it) opkg is now using repositories on buildhost. Will it then be pointing to 2008.8 repositories (with stable-testing-...) ? Or will it have its own repositories ? Or... both common repositories with 2008.8 and specific ones ? About current release, except that now Qtopia 2008.8 installs some of its qtopia package into /opt/qtopia, are 2008.8 repositories safe for Qtopia distro ? (I would say no, but not sure...) It would be more practical if a rootfs package was downloadable directly (not only in jffs2) And on new releases is it possible to update only the qtopia directories, and the have the remaining of the rootfs updated via opkg ? ok, now update binary released on qtopia.net alows updating without using whole jffs2 Though maybe if there is a next version synced with 2008.8, rootfs will need a global update, not via opkg ? (or the coming Qtopia 4.4 will need such a rootfs manual update ?) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:36, Tim Coggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reinstalled this version to be sure I was testing the right one (I already had this one but had done some opkg upgrade since) How did you find the reliability for making and receiving calls and SMS's? I am trying to find some stable images to test as I am starting to worry that it's my phone that's is causing the problems. Well I had the previously released qtopia (24/07 maybe), and did opkg upgrades often (including kernel updates) Since the last update (08/08), well... I can't really tell about sms and gsm reliability difference since I did not used it enough. Just that I lastly experienced a bit more provider switching (because of unsufficient reception), and that may be related to poorer gsm reception/handling by freerunner... Now that I have came back to a clean install of 0808 image, I will retest reception of sms/calls while sleeping... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808
2 differences I noted with 080808 release : - WIFI : It was annoted improved wifi handling... well I never managed to connect to WPA encrypted wifi, so not much experience... but it became even more difficult to configure for me : I have difficulties to access properties... menu to configure. It seems to be keeping trying to access unavailable or encrypted network (failing), and does not offer to access properties (only WLAN detection...). Just selecting the network service (Wireless LAN) triggers an attempt to connect ? So how to get to configuration without it trying to connect (and blocking) ? I may fail to understand the real logic of these screen, but anyway it is not really intuitive. - lock/supsend : Back from suspend (via power button), if screen was locked, it is automatically unlocked (was not the case before). Is it a feature or a bug ? And often, power button press to get back from suspend is also at the same time interpreted to get to shutdown menu. (but it also happened with previous version... and even if screen kept locked) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:53, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I have came back to a clean install of 0808 image, I will retest reception of sms/calls while sleeping... (humm no, that is not me sleeping, juste the phone !) So for these very basic tasks Qtopia works not too bad for me : * Just tried, and sms do wake up immediately my phone, prompt me if I want to read the sms and if I choose Yes I can read it. * Lock screen issue : If my screen is locked before suspend, it keeps locked on wake by sms. I had to unlock before choosing Yes to read sms - perfect since it might have wake up in my pocket for exemple. There is a problem if it goes into suspend while not locked - in this case sms wakes the phone unlocked ! That's why it would be better if the lock screen was automatically activated before suspend. * I have never seen the phone waking up from suspend for other causes than power button, gsm call, or sms (such as GSM cell registration). (and I have 40 km travel each day, sometimes even roaming). I also tried to check yesterday that it was not, ie. waked up with just dimmed screen : even always tapping on the screen during the travel, it kept on suspend. I wonder what is done differently form 2007.2 or 2008.8 distro where it so often wakes up ? Does FSO work correctly ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:57, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the review of Qtopia :) I have decided to use the Qtopia image primary. So it works perfect as a phone :) How about the mediaplayer, GPS, WiFi and webbrowser? * mediaplayer, I did not use it much yet... just tried 2 mp3... one didn't read (but was a bit special... I took what I had at the moment) though it is read by 2007.2 mediaplayer. The other worked fine. Playing with sound volume during call works but is not so intuitive (should be very easy for such an important feature for a sound player) * Wifi : not much success. There is a configuration application quite complete but it still need a little polish. WPA access did not work, and I think DNS config via DHCP (when on unencrypted wifi) didn't either, but since WPA was not ok, I did not test much. So encryption support needs to be activated/configured. But configuration app already is ready for it. * Bluetooth works, was able to pair with devices and also send/receive files (pictures...) with no trouble. * Webbrowser : no app available either :-( * Application packages can easily be installed via a feed (but very few apps available). (There is a GUI manager for this) * Messages / calendar is not too bad, and rather complete. Configurable for IMAP / POP, (but for now I miss gmail synchro since encryption is not correctly handled). I would like an easy way to synchronize to gcalendar too... (I think I could manually import a Vcal entry -not sure-, but I need simple online synchro) I also miss MMS but it is because of WAP stack missing for neo... qtopia appli is ready for it. I hope coming version 4.4 will bring improvements. Should allow to have browser and GPS apps... ** What I appreciate a lot is that there is GUI apps for configuration of all of this (even if all is not working well yet) : bluetooth, wifi, gsm network (properties / selection / prefered), ... (I would have like 2008.8 start with complete Qtopia -but on X11-, and only when available / user chosen, switch some parts to other applis). Also for ex. home page wallpaper can be very easily chosen via config application. And it looks nice (even more since it is now a picture of my daughter !). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
-oops sorry didn't CC the list on first sending- On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 15:30, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, at least 2007.2 does _nothing_ to turn off unsolicited messages on suspend IRRC. Does FSO work correctly ? Yes. ok, thanks. By the way, isn't Qtopia rootfs based on FSO one ? (I think that is what I saw in qtopia download site on first releases) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 16:10, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag 14 August 2008 15:36:24 schrieb Cédric Berger: By the way, isn't Qtopia rootfs based on FSO one ? (I think that is what I saw in qtopia download site on first releases) Unlikely. Qtopia is compiled by Trolltech, no idea how they create it, but it was there long before FSO. Probably both using OpenEmbedded, that's where the similarities may come from. Well I have seen this at least here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#Neo_FreeRunner_3 The Developer root filesystem for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file is a barebones root filesystem created from the 'FSO' image available from Openmoko. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 17:58, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I have seen this at least here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#Neo_FreeRunner_3 The Developer root filesystem for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file is a barebones root filesystem created from the 'FSO' image available from Openmoko. Looks like a cut'n'paste error to me. qtopia.net does not show something like this for download. Yes it does, download Version: 20080617 : http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=4 This contains a barebones root filesystem for flashing the Neo Freerunner, created from the 'FSO' image available from Openmoko. Qtopia is not on this rootfs. This rootfs is for developers wanting to compile Qtopia, create the jffs2 image and flash. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:54, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pfff... this rant is pointless. Do you prefer to see unterminated but promising software NOW, or finished, not evolving software in LONG future? buggy software is just a way to non buggy software. At least you can see what is done now. If you don't like it, go back to your iphone/windows vista, and wait for bugs to be corrected without even knowing about them. Moreover you can't say you haven't been warned: Openmoko is a work in progress. Well of course but I think what he pointed is the misleading 2008.8 release and mail announcement. It looked like it was at least a bit stable. (Not perfect of course) But in fact it was not really more mature than previous ASU available. Looked like ASU was aplha dev, tadaaa here is the final beta 2008.8, finally a real releasable distro But actually I did not find it really more usable than previous ASU (evolutions of course, but not really usable...) Those waiting this release to switch to ASU (not totally mature enough for their use) were disappointed because it did not bring enough stability to justify the switch. And the announcement did not really show that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 13:49, Tim Coggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found Qtopia had problems receiving calls when suspended and receiving text messages. Also pressing the keypad whilst making a call didn't work, rendering my voicemail useless for the calls I missed. It frequently displayed No network too, dispite being in an area with excellent coverage. Tim For me -tested Om2007.2, ASU, Qtopia- , Qtopia was the distro with the best suspend behaviour : always wake up on calls, I think also for sms, and does not wake up else (gsm registration...). Keypad during calls also worked. But maybe since the last release it is not so true anymore... not used enough to be sure but I think I have more little hiccups too... And yes, gsm may be less good because these 3 last days (after update), it usually decides to automatically connect to another (Roaming) network (stronger reception). Last weeks it didn't, and it is at the same location. (And that is a problem for me since manual selection of network does not work, so I have to keep roaming) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:08, Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all. But instead I wondered If I could not try to make Android running ? I saw that like for OpenMoko, there is and android git repository available (http://git.android.com/). Android is not yet published as open source. So this git repository must only contain the already open sourced parts (ie linux kernel used,...) Porting android should be possible, but only when its sources are released (should be when first android phones are available) As I understood, Android is similar to FSO : One framework and applications that rely on it. andoid is designed to use only applications developed specially for it. FSO is more opened allowing to use various linux apps. It brings a framework to ease integration of these, but you are not oblliged to develop specifically for it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? I did too. I replaced my ASU image on a third ext3 partition on my SD card. (format partition, copy tar file in /tmp, untar 2008.8 rootfs into partition) uImage.bin is on a first FAT partition (didn't try yet to use kernel on ext3 partition, maybe it works now that I had uboot updated). Or I even boot using uImage kernel from SDRAM and then rootfs on /mmcblk0p3 But the first few boots I could not have USB networking working -at all-. Now it works, but I don't really know what was wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Upgrading on Qtopia
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 23:13, Matthew Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: There is a new image at qtopia.net. This new one _should_ be able to upgrade the system. after having locked my previous qtopia install via upgrade... I just tried the new image (just kept my /home). opkg upgrade fails with : * ERROR: Package fbset-modes (parent fbset-modes) is not available from any configured src. in which repository should it be ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: suspend and immediate wake-up
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 23:28, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've gotten the impression that the acceleration sensors play an importanmt role. it simply happens too often that i take the fr in my hands and it wakes up -- too often at least to be purely conicidential. Indeed I noticed the same wakes on move (when I take my phone in hands, not touching the screen). But with Qtopia my phone does not wake up this way. Neither on moves, nor during cell registration. It does however correctly wake up on incoming calls and SMS. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: suspend and immediate wake-up
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:31, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Because it happens over and over again (once this issue happens). | i've gotten the impression that the acceleration sensors play an | importanmt role. | it simply happens too often that i take the fr in my hands and it wakes up | -- too often at least to be purely conicidential. | | cat /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason | | With a recent kernel and uboot this should tell you which device woke it up by | sticking a * next to the interrupt that did it, and another to provide more | detail if it was the PMU that did it. Right. The Motion sensors can be a wake source, but we neither enable it right now nor set them up in threshold mode so we get an interrupt if they experienced something big. It's likely just the GSM traffic stuff. - -Andy Well so it is probably that often, moving and taking the phone in hands changes gsm reception enough to trigger some activity... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTK in Qtopia
Hi, Is there a way to run a GTK application under Qtopia ? Some kind of GTK-Qt bridge... a way for GTK to write to Qtopia framebuffer instead of X ... or X writes to framebuffer ? ... or whole screen control switches from framebuffer to X while this app runs ? I think I have seen somewhere a solution via server X - VNC - KeyPeeble (vnc client under qtopia)... is that doable ? I realize such a solution will probably not perform ideally (speed, memory,... ?). But even if not ideal, this could be really great to be able to launch any given app. (just maybe not your every day apps) And it may even not be as bad as on your desktop when you launch another whole OS in a virtual machine... and still it can be very useful ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia] email application connection to mail server
I have just submitted this problem for qtopia bug tracker... (not accepted yet) On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 18:11, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Does it work for some of you ? Well... I can't neither find where I can configure my email! :o -- in qtopia mail application ? as I remember go to mails, option (menu at bottom) and something like set accounts you may have to choose new account then for mail account you have 2 tabs, one for checking mails (IMAP/POP), second for sending (SMTP) but I do not have qtopia under my eyes, so I can't be precise... :-p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtopia] roaming - manual selection not working
Bug opened http://www.trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker bug n° 220697 On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 16:44, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I try in the settings-Call Networks to Select operator, it fails (Failed to register to the selected network operator). Same error when I just try to switch mode from Automatic to Manual, on either of these 2 networks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Max seep of the SD slot?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:49, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, a good rule of thumb for generic 1-bit transfer is divide by 10 for the max speed in Bytes/sec you could expect, here we have 4-bit so the peak raw trasfer speed is ~10MBytes/sec *BUT* after Glamo pulls the data from the card, we have to sit there dragging it into the CPU memory, on top of card latencies and command setup the speed is way slower, still a decent ~2MBytes/sec each way IIRC. - -Andy Thanks. This is something I also wanted to know for the choice of a new card. So we may say that up to 10MBytes/s, max speed of the microSD matters. After it should not much. (?) (and looks like 10Mbytes/s is currently what offer rather high end microSD) One more question though : if the card is slow, throughput will be lower, but will the CPU / glamo graphic bus be able to benefit of more resources while the card transfer occur ? Or does it just had to time to wait and CPU / glamo bus are as much busy (or waiting) ? Same question if we lower the SD clock rate. Is it equivalent to having a slower card ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
How is the image (from http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ : Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)) created ? It is said to be created from a rootfs from FSO. - why FSO ? (lighter maybe ?) Can we use another base rootfs ? - what is specific to qtopia image ? Qtopia is added, but what else is changed ? - is opkg upgrade safe ? (as I understand it will not update qtopia itself, but normally should not break it) It would be more practical if a rootfs package was downloadable directly (not only in jffs2) And on new releases is it possible to update only the qtopia directories, and the have the remaining of the rootfs updated via opkg ? Or doing so we would miss some changes made ? Thanks for any hints to understand better this architecture... Cédric ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External GSM Antenna Connector
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:28, Alex Kavanagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott wrote, On 24/07/08 01:52: Anybody know what the connector type is for connecting an external GSM antenna? MMCX. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS I think the question was about a GSM antenna, not GPS. Connector format does not look the same (?) The GSM connector is the one accessible only when putting off the backof the neo (through an hole) ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
Hi, I have installed my (screen only) invisible shield. It is not invisible, but quite ok. Difference in aspect is that it looks less smooth/glossy/slick. (I'm french... I just try not to use too wrong words to describe :-) ) And it also has more grip... slipping finger or stylus is less easy. (a bit like if you try to do it on a rubber eraser) Though it gets better after it has completely dried... but hard to compare since I got used to it... (I need another freerunner !) Oh... something else I noticed : with it, do not use anymore a ballpoint pen ! Ink will stay on the invisible shield. So take care with the multifunction stylus. I could wash out the ink by getting it a little wet and sweeping, but I do not know if it would have been more difficult if I had waited longer and it would have dried more... AVee wrote: On Thursday 17 July 2008 22:49, Brad Pitcher wrote: Yes, I'm using the full body shield and I really like it. It was somewhat difficult to apply but worth it. You don't need to take apart the FR and it comes with some spray that makes it so you can make little adjustments to the position of the shield directly after application. It is a little more reflective than the LCD was without it, but quite usable. So it the screen protector is a tight fit? I think I'd prefer one which is slightly bigger so the edges will disappear under the body. That should make it even more invisible... AVee ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
It is quite exactly the visible size of the screen. Very slightly smaller. It is easy to apply : spray it, apply and adjust (it slips), get bubbles away with the tool from the invisible shield pack and let dry... I sprayed quite a lot (too much ?), and water (well the solution in the spray) is then wiped out to the edges. Take it away before it gets into the body and the electronic components. I think I have some really little bubbles at one point (I would need a magnifier to check...). But I really didn't struggle when applying. Manual indicates some micro bubble should go away after 2-3 days. What took me the more time is cleaning my screen before applying. Didn't want to protect dirt and smudges. On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 14:16, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have installed my (screen only) invisible shield. how big is it? fits exactly the visible part of the screen? or does it match the real screen size? and how easy to apply (bubbles and so)? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
I checked before but I do not remember exactly... for something less than about 20$ (€ ?) there should not be custom taxes from the US. There still is VAT that should be payed but how to do it... and for only 7$... Anyway (till now) I had nothing more to pay. Custom might one day write me a bill to ask for the VAT. In this case I just hope I would have nothing more to pay (processing fee...). And I think the package was mailed from UK... so maybe even different rules (well even less to care for custom taxes I guess) (I payed via Paypal since my VISA credit card was refused on the order page) On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 14:28, Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cédric Berger, 2008-07-23 14:10:44 +0200 : (I'm french... I just try not to use too wrong words to describe :-) I assume you got it from Zagg; were there any surprises such as customs/taxes surcharge? I've been caught quite a few times by interesting prices that turned up not too interesting after the customs took their toll :-/ Roland. -- Roland Mas One... two... one, two, many, lots! -- Lias, in Soul music (Terry Pratchett) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 14:45, Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would you mind posting a photo? Well not possible for now, sorry... maybe tonight but I do not know if I will have time. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtopia] roaming - manual selection not working
I confirm also that if from the UI I try to select a network from available gsm networks, it asks me if I want to switch to manual and fails : log shows a failed : AT+COPS=1,2,20810 But manually I was able to do it by : AT+COPS=1,2,20810 = looks like the quotes where missing in command issued by Qtopia (if I omit them I have the same error message) And still there is the error when directly selecting the Change Mode in menu, from Automatic to Manual : AT+COPS=1,2,0fails =provider number is missing (20810)(or is 0 meaningful for current provider? if so maybe it is only the quotes missing...) On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 23:34, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not so easy to try since at home I do not have access to roaming network... but when I try to select manual search mode (while yet connected) from the Network selection menu, which fails, log shows : AT+COPS=1,2,0 +CME ERROR: 3 so it looks like the AT+COPS=1,2,0 is wrong : last number should have been provider number (20810) I was able from console to do a successful AT+COPS=1,1,SFR (and I think also AT+COPS=1,2,20810) (when connected to roaming network,I thought I had seen failed log of AT+COPS=1,2,20810 but I will have try again tomorrow) On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 09:09, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My freerunner connects to my operator with no problems (SFR, france), and when I am in switzerland (geneva) and loose the signal, it automatically switches to another (swisscom... roaming costs so much more expensive for me...). That's fine with automatic mode. But I cannot force it into manual mode (once it has switched, even though the SFR signal is back -and even if it is stronger than swisscom's-, it won't try to go back to SFR). Even rebooting, it stays on the same network. When I try in the settings-Call Networks to Select operator, it fails (Failed to register to the selected network operator). Same error when I just try to switch mode from Automatic to Manual, on either of these 2 networks. Any idea ? Does this work for some people ? I guess I should try in console with AT commands... (I could only force switch back by putting my SIM in my old phone, switching network, and SIM back into freerunner ! ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 00:42, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People, this discussion has turned _very_ off topic now. Could you all please take further discussion on this subject in a place where it is more on topic? Thank you. Well not so off topic since we are at a point where choices are made about what direction development on openmoko will take... (even if maybe there will be several directions in parallel) (I mean not only for the OS and base applis, but also for applications one would want to develop) It is not so bad that it is clear for everyone what the strengths and specifics of each choices are. And even if it is not a new problematic, not everyone is fully aware of it. And when comes the time to decide to investigate/develop on one architecture, it is good to fully understand what they imply. Better than only deciding on, say, the look of existing applications. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Terminal for ASU
Indeed I fail to see the advantage of having no manual triggering of keyboard. On my desktop PC, I have never dreamt of my keyboard popping out of a drawer when it thinks I should need it... And this morning, after my daily opkg upgrade... I rebooted ASU and I am stuck, not even able to enter my SIM PIN !! Because... there was no keyboard on the screen ! On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 00:21, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: sorry. not in the design. it's not specified as a config option. i'm only doing what's in the spec as there is much unhappiness if i do otherwise. if you REALLY want the button you will have to hack the theme to put it back in (as its just a theme element that emits a signal when pressed). GRR...defective by design. You've made a fair summary of my feelings on automated keyboards too. So what does the spec say about when there's another input device like a bluetooth or USB keyboard? yes automatic keyboard popup is good, but we don't live in a world where we can guarantee and force every app to behave perfectly. lots of things are ported (recompiled) and forcing them to add patches to bring up keyboards is just yet another barrier to porting and leaves us with less software :( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: headset with qtopia
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 09:14, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I fixed headphone insertions today, and will make an image update soon at qtopia.net Thanks... But it is still not clear to me : are all qtopia modifications updatable via an opkg upgrade ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtopia] install software packages
I installed applications via Software Packages, from the server feed http://qtopia.net/packages/feed/4.3.2 They were automatically added in the list of Applications, but it looks like if the total size (in pixels) of the list didn't adjust : all lines are like stretched vertically (application icons truncated up and down). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches
Hi, So you mean the patch allowing to change the drive strength for SD, not the latest patch you committed about 2 hours ago which set default strength to 0 ? On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 14:41, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | According to the filename, this uImage.bin has the patch in | | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/uImage-2.6.24+git23+1d04b142ffeaa15129f046751f1366b0f0614f47-r0-om-gta02.bin | ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtopia] roaming - manual selection not working
not so easy to try since at home I do not have access to roaming network... but when I try to select manual search mode (while yet connected) from the Network selection menu, which fails, log shows : AT+COPS=1,2,0 +CME ERROR: 3 so it looks like the AT+COPS=1,2,0 is wrong : last number should have been provider number (20810) I was able from console to do a successful AT+COPS=1,1,SFR (and I think also AT+COPS=1,2,20810) (when connected to roaming network,I thought I had seen failed log of AT+COPS=1,2,20810 but I will have try again tomorrow) On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 09:09, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My freerunner connects to my operator with no problems (SFR, france), and when I am in switzerland (geneva) and loose the signal, it automatically switches to another (swisscom... roaming costs so much more expensive for me...). That's fine with automatic mode. But I cannot force it into manual mode (once it has switched, even though the SFR signal is back -and even if it is stronger than swisscom's-, it won't try to go back to SFR). Even rebooting, it stays on the same network. When I try in the settings-Call Networks to Select operator, it fails (Failed to register to the selected network operator). Same error when I just try to switch mode from Automatic to Manual, on either of these 2 networks. Any idea ? Does this work for some people ? I guess I should try in console with AT commands... (I could only force switch back by putting my SIM in my old phone, switching network, and SIM back into freerunner ! ) Oh I can see there is a new qtopia version today (I have the one published just before). I do not know if I had this startup crash... But twice, when I had qtopia blocked, it happened that I could not boot again (kernel booted, but then boot stopped and waited). I boot from microSD. First time I reflashed a new version. Second time I was able to unlock... not really sure how, but may be that was because I could boot on the original OS and ran a e2fsk on the microSD partition with the rootfs of qtopia (formatted in ext3). filesystem maybe was corrupted... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
Sound quality during calls is indeed not that good. 1. Volume is usually too low, but I think it can be modified via correct settings. Seems like people not always hear me at the same level : sometimes quite ok, often really too low. I have yet to try more... 2. There also is this annoying noise (sounds like interferences), that both caller and callee can here. But what I found very interesting is that sometimes, for a few seconds, it suddenly totally went away !! I could talk and hear without this noise, but not for long. It happened more than once, at different locations. I was not moving, not near identified sources of perturbation, not running special background applications, not connected via wifi nor bluetooth (it was disabled via gui didn't check if it was really off). The person I called, as far as I can tell didn't do anything special either (was also not moving). This was tested with Qtopia (not ASU). (booted from SD) On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 04:55, Greg Bonett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have there been any developments with this issue? How many people are experiencing this? I'm experiencing very poor audio quality (lots of noise, very low volume for incoming audio). I'm still not sure if its a hardware thing of if I've just got bad gsm.handset.state settings. I'm using the qtopia image right now. - -Greg ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: headset with qtopia
I tried but it indeed didn't work at all. But I have not yet tried to play with alsamixer. (on qtopia too). - no sound in headset and only big bep with speaker. I installed the version of qalsamixer from qtopia via the feed http://qtopia.net/packages/feed/4.3.2/ But it is not adapted to the screen in portrait orientation ! Not easy to use... Does anyone know if it can be configured for different resolution ? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 07:34, thewtex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone got the headset that comes with the Freerunner group purchase working with the qtopia.net images? There seems to be a small amount of sound coming out somewhere. And speakerphone goes wacky. Maybe alsamixer settings? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Import contacts qtopia
What about Qtopia Desktop (application for the PC) ? Would it fit to manage synchronisation ? Since download from qtopia website ( http://trolltech.com/developer/downloads/qtopia/desktopdownloads ) has been disabled (they told me this was not intended for this application -not GPL- and it would be put back soon), I could only get an old (?) version, and anyway could not have it connect to qtopia synchronisation on my freerunner... On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:49, Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Importing the contacts via bluetooth works on the stock qtopia images BTW. I recon it should be possible to get it to work on ASU as well. I simply did a pairing of the FR with my old phone and sent all contacts via bluetooth. The FR popped up a dialogue asking to confirm the import and voilá, everything was there. Cheers. Florian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
People I had on the phone never complained about echo. When I asked, they said there was none. But they often complained about volume level too low... and maybe that's why there was no echo... (and they also complained about interference noise, which I heard too) I need to make more calls and change my volume settings to know more... On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 17:58, Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/21 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Assuming there is sufficient difference in level between voice level and the level from the earpiece it should be possible to set the noise gate so that it only triggers when you are actually speaking, stopping the echo. The compressor should even out the variations in level. So is basically everyone who is being called with a Neo Freerunner having at least a little echo of her own voice? At some point I had often the problem that the receiver heard everything she said very aloud about 1s later, now in at least my own tests it's merely quite quiet repetition that doesn't always even occur (gets cut off by something, eg. a noise filter). I used gsmhandset.state from here: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=5t=170start=75#p3277 and also stored it at /etc/asound.state. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Provider missed calls messages
I now run Qtopia and my provider is SFR (france). When I have got a message on my voicemail, I get a sms from 123 (that is the call number of my voicemail). It looks empty in the inbox of qtopia, but I will have to check what was really in. On my old phone, it would just have triggered a message icon (and sms would not appear in inbox). On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 14:46, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess it means a SMS has been delivered as notification for the voicemail but I didn't get any SMS. I could hear the message on my voicemail though. Julien. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Provider missed calls messages
I also receive another sms from 123 once the message was aknowledged (listened by me !). (maybe even 2 sms if I listen to 2 pending messages...). This one is to trigger the message icon down... I had once seen some description of this kind of sms but have yet to find it now... I do not know to what point these messages are proprietary and specific to providers... (but anyway my old phone worked the same with other providers -it was initially bought with Orange contract-) I also think I have already seen some talks about such sms notifications in openmoko mailing lists... On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 09:09, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now run Qtopia and my provider is SFR (france). When I have got a message on my voicemail, I get a sms from 123 (that is the call number of my voicemail). It looks empty in the inbox of qtopia, but I will have to check what was really in. On my old phone, it would just have triggered a message icon (and sms would not appear in inbox). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtopia] email application connection to mail server
In Qtopia and in ASU (qtopia mail application too), I tried to configure the mail application to connect to gmail via IMAP. I could not make it connect... SMTP did not work either. (well it does connect to the server, but then hangs) I suspect it is because of the secure connection... (IMAP server: imap.gmail.com port:993, SMTP : smtp.gmail.com, port: 465) And in the account settings, there is an Encryption field : - on Qtopia distribution, I have no field to enter / select (only label Encryption is present) - on ASU, the field is present (I do not remember whether it is a checkbox or a combo) but anyway... for both I got no mail... I will have to try POP also (secured too)... Does it work for some of you ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ears and FR
I think it would be rather difficult to know if we have the phone near the ears or not based on accelerometers. maybe we need very explicits movements... like for hangup : flip once or two the phone in the air (kind of a neat cowboy feeling ! just wear a holster and.. flip flap neo has hung up and is parked... and everyone is impressed by your dexterity !). Well maybe then the 10 pack of freerunners should be the norm for individuals :-p On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:04, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but not always when while you are calling you decide to lay down on your back ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
I used this method to boot qtopia from sd.
And now I have tri-boot : I added a 3rd partition on microSD for ASU
and I changed u-boot menu with menu_2 almost identical to menu_1,
except root=/dev/mmcblk0p3
(I use the same kernel partition on FAT for both qtopia and ASU.
Though at first I used 2 different uImage, in the same partition )
Anyway... when booting this way on microSD
How do you opkg upgrade ?
- it wants to update kernel on internal flash, which fails and
prevents opkg to success :
process /usr/bin/flash_eraseall: /dev/: Is a directory postinst
script returned status 1 Nothing to be done Collected errors: ERROR:
kernel-image-2.6.24.postinst returned 1
(I found this : http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1344 )
- I tried to modify the U-Boot command on menu :
${mtdparts}
instead of
${mtdparts} ro
and then it worked : opkg could write kernel (but with warnings...)
and could finish upgrade.
Not clean though ! It shouldn't have to modify internal memory (kernel
of other distribution !)
How could we do to prevent it ?
Is it the postinst script that must be modified ? Or can we tweak the
U-Boot command to have it write elsewhere ?
Is it possible to do a opkg upgrade but telling it not to upgrade
kernel ? (and do it manually...)
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Re: Updates
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 15:02, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - flashing uImage and rootImage are equivalent to doing opkg update opkg upgrade, but flashing rewrites the whole fs, so everything modified is lost How did you execute opkg upgrade ? It failed for me opkg update was ok but then upgrade ran until my ssh connection was dropped. Tried again from FR terminal, and it ran until something like X was restarted. it is the same as in this other post in dev list : opkg issues. best way to run opkg On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 04:20, Yohann (YC) Coppel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received the FR, and I try to update it using opkg. [...] Ok, but then, if I still try to run opkg upgrade, it runs, download a lot of things, and start upgrading. The problem is that if I run the command by ssh, the connection is cut during the process: Restarting Dropbear SSH server: Connection to 192.168.0.202 closed by remote host. and the upgrade is probably stopped as well. And if I run it from the terminal on the FR, the upgrade is stopped when X restarts at some point during the process. So, how should I run it ? (there are a lot of packages to be updated, running the command one package at a time is excluded) [...] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Updates
Thanks ! Indeed this is a good solution But I had just executed the nohup opkg upgrade and it worked. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 23:23, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may need to check the support list where this has been addressed recently. There, I suggested : 1. connect into the terminal app in the GUI 2. there type/tap opkg update 3. also there type/tap opkg upgrade dropbear 4. connect via SSH 5. inside the SSH shell, do opkg upgrade Hope this helps. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Qtopia] roaming - manual selection not working
Hi, My freerunner connects to my operator with no problems (SFR, france), and when I am in switzerland (geneva) and loose the signal, it automatically switches to another (swisscom... roaming costs so much more expensive for me...). That's fine with automatic mode. But I cannot force it into manual mode (once it has switched, even though the SFR signal is back -and even if it is stronger than swisscom's-, it won't try to go back to SFR). Even rebooting, it stays on the same network. When I try in the settings-Call Networks to Select operator, it fails (Failed to register to the selected network operator). Same error when I just try to switch mode from Automatic to Manual, on either of these 2 networks. Any idea ? Does this work for some people ? I guess I should try in console with AT commands... (I could only force switch back by putting my SIM in my old phone, switching network, and SIM back into freerunner ! ) Oh I can see there is a new qtopia version today (I have the one published just before). I do not know if I had this startup crash... But twice, when I had qtopia blocked, it happened that I could not boot again (kernel booted, but then boot stopped and waited). I boot from microSD. First time I reflashed a new version. Second time I was able to unlock... not really sure how, but may be that was because I could boot on the original OS and ran a e2fsk on the microSD partition with the rootfs of qtopia (formatted in ext3). filesystem maybe was corrupted... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qtopia] task manager - kill applications
Is it possible to close / kill applications from the task manager ? A more powerfull task manager would be usefull. Sometimes a program is kind of stalled or not responsive, and it is difficult to stop it... It is often that I get my phone slower and slower (and touch GUI is a real pain when not responsive !). Looks like one of the things that caused me that yesterday was trying to configure WIFI connection (with WPA... didn't work...). Some bits of the connection manager must have kept running in background Well the good aspect of it is... after rebooting you find the whole thing so quick and responsive you are positively impressed ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia] task manager - kill applications
Thanks ! Indeed the terminal is welcome ! Just that when I have the option, I prefer using the gui. And I am not a linux expert so it usually takes time when I use the command line... I keep testing resume after suspend seems to work better now. Whole screen come back with strange color noise but it gets ok once all parts of the screen gets drawn again. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:43, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: A more powerfull task manager would be usefull. There is now a terminal app in the qtopia image. Looks like one of the things that caused me that yesterday was trying to configure WIFI connection (with WPA... didn't work...). Some bits of the connection manager must have kept running in background yes, wpa does not work because the system is broken in that regards. I will look at the script to ensure wpa gets killed if it does not work. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
Thanks a lot, I really missed that 2 points...
now I could get it boot the last Qtopia image (extracted from the
jffs2) from the microSD
I can start some testing ! :-)
First boot was ok, pin unlocked, gsm network ok, first sight ok
No sound... but I've read there was something to do to correct... so
should be fine
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 21:02, Thomas B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems you have to use ext3 for the rootfs partition, because current
kernel builds have ext2 support only as a module (which is not yet
available before the rootfs is mounted).
Then I had the following problem: U-Boot told the kernel that the rootfs
was ext2, even if it was ext3, so the kernel couldn't mount it. I solved
that by logging in to the U-Boot console via USB and modifying the
command sequence to boot from SD so that it looks like this (I just
replaced ext2 with ext3):
menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext3): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base}
rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit;
fatload mmc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200
Here you can also see that it expects the kernel to be on a FAT
partition (it uses the command fatload). Maybe that could be changed,
so that it reads the kernel from the ext2 or ext3 partition itself, but
I don't know which commands U-Boot supports.
HTH,
Thomas
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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
I would like to boot Qtopia from SD, but couldn't yet... Can I do that with the image of Qtopia you mentioned ? I extracted the files form the .jffs2 and copied them on the microSD card. I then put the uImage bin in /boot But trying to boot from the freerunner on SD I only get : Unable to read uImage.bin from mmc 1:1 Booting image at 3200 Bad magic number I tried with SD card formated in ext3 and ext2. Was that a correct method ? What is wrong ? ps. to extract from .jffs2 I used the method found here (I use ubuntu 8.04, 64 bit) : http://maemo.org/community/wiki/modifyingrootimage/ Kernel Memory Emulating a MTD : mknod /tmp/mtdblock0 b 31 0 modprobe mtdblock modprobe mtdram total_size=65536 erase_size=256 modprobe jffs2 dd if=/pathtoimage/rootfs.jffs2 of=/tmp/mtdblock0 mkdir /media/jffs2 mount -t jffs2 /tmp/mtdblock0 /media/jffs2 On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 11:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clare wrote: (Or is there some way i can make .jffs2 into tar.gz?) And back...? using a directory to get the contents of de tar.gz and and using mkfs.jffs2 -r directory -e 0x4000 -o output file ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
I'm interested too by your tests... I think I will also buy a sandisk 8gb Anyway, I would like to know if with a really fast card, the bottleneck will be the neo, or if in all cases the faster the card, the better the performances in the neo ? What is the theoretical limit speed of SD interface in the neo ?... I will buy it in Geneva, for 30€ http://www.prodimex.ch/pGroupe.aspx?ONG=MEMOIRESGRP=MICROSD+%2f+MINISD There are 3 different references (sdhc, sdhc mobile ultra, sdhc premier). I do not know the real performance difference beetween them... One is rated as class 4 (minimum 4 MB/s write speed) (well the shop says class 2 but sandisk reference it as class 4), The other (Premier) up to 10MB/sec read and 9MB/sec write And no info for the Ultra... On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 22:12, Mike Montour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ian douglas wrote: Hey all, Got my 8GB SanDisk 8GB micro SDHC card [1] in a few minutes ago, popped it into my GTA02v5 (beta tester model) Freerunner and running a few tests on it. So far, so good. Cool. If you have time, can you post some performance numbers for it? http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/iospeed is a simple performance-test program that I wrote (source is iospeed.c in the same directory), or you could use something standard like bonnie++. [...] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not just a phone
Once we all have such data collected, google could probably offer to publish it... They already do so for their own car fleet : http://www.google.org/recharge/dashboard Of course, not so many people are ready to publish such private data !! About crazy ideas... the same thing could also be done for yourself... monitoring heart rate, walk speed, cerebral activity, On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent. I look forward to blogging about your setup. Please keep me/us informed. One fun thing to do: send this data to a web server, and plot it (using GPS) on a map showing your current consumption as a function of location? Steven ** wrote: I'm hoping to use it not just for in-car navigation, but also data readout. I intend to rig it to display voltage and current in my electric car. I'd like to see someone do that with an iPhone :-P -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
InvisibleShield screen protectors
Peter Naulls wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Yorick Matthys wrote: Are there other persons interested in buying one? I do :P We could ask them to make one for the Freerunner. Did you see this: http://tinyurl.com/6rmj5j :) Also: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40_trksid=m37satitle=openmokocategory0= Perfect ! I was just going to order an invisibleShield, choosing one for a phone with similar size, (I was ready to cut it to adjust...) But : - is full body coverage made up from different parts (screen / body) ? I don't think it is possible to cover both with the same sheet (not flat) - is screen sheet a bit larger (or smaller), or exactly at the size of the visible part of the screen ? I thought I'd better put a sheet a bit larger on the naked LCD, by first putting off the case of the Freerunner... with the added advantage to have the sheet acting as a joint for dust/water drops... (and that is also why I was not afraid to cut a sheet by myself... rough edges would be hidden ! ) Cédric ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Cool. Anyway I've already taken one at ZAGG (the free shipping Worldwide thing is so cool), and I got two discount codes too! :P I've always bought accessories (generally USB cables) before than the phone itself. This time the story has not changed :) Looking for a good (1A-2A) usb car charger now! ;) OK couldn't wait I also ordered one (screen only) at ZAGG. So I also have 2 discount codes. If two of you are interested, just email me... For the car charger I may first try to re-use old chargers from my broken phones... should be ok at least for slow charge. Just have to cut wires and also recycle an old mini-usb cable of mine... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
