Order Status
I placed my order the first day that they were (supposedly) available online. Of course, I wasn't offered a color choice - but that's not an issue as I was just getting it to begin developing an employee time tracking application. Anyways, I still have not received a confirmation email. Nor have I received a respond 'YES_I_DO' email. Is there anyway to confirm orders? Is (will there be) an order status / tracking webpage? Do I just create another order and risk getting multiple units? Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!
mathew davis wrote: I think we need to wait. When the neo1973 has matured a bit and has worked out the mojor kinks it will generate attention on it's own, which we can then strengthen. But right now I don't think it would really have an impact. We don't know the final release date, the software on it which is the biggest part of the phone is not worked out yet. And when the phone is released that's when the magic happens. The community will come alive. Programs will be developed for the phone that we haven't even thought of yet. And then interest will be generated. Plus we will be excited about our phone, we will be excited about moding them and doing what we want with the phone, in essance freeing our phone. Then I believe it will explode. I think it's a good idea to spread the word about the neo1973 but I don't think getting or starting hype now is important or needed. I just don't see the usefulness of it now. But that's just my opinion. I agree completely. First it's difficult to hype something that doesn't exist, and nobody knows if and when it will exist. All the people that I 'marketed' it to have long since given up asking me when it is going to arrive. Second, the last thing you want is some non-technical person (who we hyped it to) buying a unit that crashes, won't run X, can only call, whatever. It needs to be running 100% before you push it on non-developers. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any updates?? now that we have passed the original date for the second test production run.
Aanjhan R wrote: Hi, On 5/31/07, Alan Ide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still waiting on baited breathe for news. I know that the original test run that was slated for a couple weeks ago got pushed back, but what about the second run that was supposed to happen. How did the run go (if there has been a run yet). More problems? What about the phase 1+ specs?? Basically, any news?? Some updates here. http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/06/02#20070602-busy-busy-busy From that blog post: ll personally do QA on 10% of those phones throughout the second week of June. So, I guess if QA hasn't even begun yet we shouldn't anticipate these anytime soon. I fear that the soonest we'll see the developer's release is the former September mass market release date. It would make sense - the September date, so far, is the only date that we haven't missed yet. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FCC Approval
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On May 21, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Dean Collins wrote: I wonder what percentage of a device can be pre-assembled and still constitute a 'kit' Section 15.23 Home-built devices. (a) Equipment authorization is not required for devices that are not marketed, from a kit, and are built in quantities of five or less for personal use. (b) It is recognized that the individual builder of home-built equipment may means to perform the measurements for determining compliance with the regulations. builder is expected to employ good engineering practices to meet the specified technical greatest extent practicable. The provisions of Section 15.5 apply to this equipment. That’s about as far as I bothered reading – I’ll wait until there is an official FIC response in the next 24-48 hours about how they intend to supply orders in the USA before I bother reading any more. The NEO will be FCC certified. I don't think that anyone is questioning whether or not it will be FCC certified - that's required, we all know that. The question is, has the certification process even begun? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FCC Approval
Just read that the iPhone was granted FCC approval. I asked along time ago, has the OpenMoko FCC certification process even begun yet? No FCC approval, no license to sell the product in the US... Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FCC Approval
Jim Thompson wrote: Duncan Hudson wrote: Just read that the iPhone was granted FCC approval. I asked along time ago, has the OpenMoko FCC certification process even begun yet? No FCC approval, no license to sell the product in the US... Its not a license. You can't sell, or offer to sell a device subject to the FCC regs in the US without either marking (in a rules-compliant manner) the FCC compliance information (not all devices are certified), or affixing a label that says, this device is not FCC-certified, and is not offered for sale, in order to even *show* one at a venue such as a trade show. Violation is subject to a fine of up to $10,000 per occurrence. Personally, I get a 'vibe' that Sean doesn't think the phone will sell (at least for a while) in the US... for whatever reason. I had really forgotten about FCC approval until I saw the iPhone certification story. Then it drove home the point that if FIC hasn't started FCC the certification yet the delivery date (at least in the US) is going to slip again. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Iphone eat your heart out.
mathew davis wrote: Now the neo can hold as much memory as the upcoming Iphone but better. Samsung just announced that it has developed an 8 Gigabyte microSD memory card. That means that the $350 neo equiped with a 8GB microSD card will have the same storage capacity as the 600 + 2 year contract Iphone. Just would like to say keep up the good work to every one on the team. I know you have been working your buts off and I for one sincerly appreciate it. With all the talk of not being able to wait for the I phone, I would like to say that I am patiently waiting through the thick and thin for the phone. I am excited about the progress made and am also glad to hear any update weither it be good or bad, I am loyal to the end. http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20070517_346824 No indication, though, of when it will ship or how much it will cost is there? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Christopher Tokarczyk wrote: not having a neo yet I can't comment on how it actually performs now, but I just think it's worth pointing out that this is still very very early. personally, i'm not too worried because i have faith that once the phones are out and the community at large has a crack at them, things will improve. that said, it is hard to be patient because this thing seems so cool ;-) Why do we keep saying it's still early? The phone was due in March, and it's now not going to ship (if we're lucky) until June. It's not early, it's late! Yes, the hardware has had issues, and yes we want it right, but the software should have been ready to go in March when it was scheduled to be released. Everyone keeps saying that it doesn't matter that this thing is going to be released around the iPhone's release - but just try and get some PR during the iPhone's rollout. Timing is everything, and in June all eyes will be on Apple. Say what you want, but this latest ship was just another shot in the foot towards the product's success. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Durability of the Neo1973?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jefe.. This is just my opinion here, but I don't see the Neo1973 to be a mass consumer device, nor do I think that is/was FIC's/OpenMoko's intent. The 1973 is a SW Developer/Bleeding Edge Adopter platform. Its a starting place and an incubator for ideas. I would not expect serious drop hardening until the third and fourth generation of the series. Right, the first version isn't supposed to be a mass market consumer device. But I believe the intention is that the version that was intended to ship in September was to be a mass market device. And er, Sean... How's that dang production run going? Got my credit card in my breast pocket just waiting. Well, the 1st production run was scheduled for the 10th, and it's now the 14th. We've yet to hear a peep from anyone. So, if I was a betting man I'd say that it either didn't go off, or another show stopper / slip causer popped up. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Cameo Appearance
I was leafing through eWeek today (it's not much a magazine anymore) and stumbled upon an article about Sun's new JavaFX scripting language. There's a picture of Sun's Rich Green holding an Orange OpenMoko during a presentation! There's also a close up of a black unit with FIC printed on it. Just thought it was cool. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some light ahead...
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Finally, we've already begun moving production into one of our factories in mainland China. There are two runs scheduled now: May 10th and May 20th. We're going to take those runs a bit slow just to make sure the quality is high. And then starting in June, things can run full speed. So? How did it go? Did they successfully roll off the assembly line? What percentage of the batch worked properly? Are we still on schedule, or has something popped up that is going to force things to slip again? Most importantly, when and where do I send my check? Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Preorder
Hans van der Merwe wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 16:43 +0200, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: 2007/5/8, Mike Sandman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 - sandman Could you please stop writting me too, ++1 etc? You can express you will of buying Neo1973 on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List Sorry, I started all this - but this was the link I was looking for, thanks. Great work! But what does that link offer? So I posted my name on the list months ago - does that guarantee that I'll get one of the first batch released? Nope! But if it makes you feel better add your name too. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some light ahead...
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: ... Finally, we've already begun moving production into one of our factories in mainland China. There are two runs scheduled now: May 10th and May 20th. We're going to take those runs a bit slow just to make sure the quality is high. And then starting in June, things can run full speed. So, tomorrow is the big day (actually, it's already Thursday May 10th in China)! I trust that we'll get a full report (good or bad) on the first production run. I'm sure that I speak for everyone when I say we're dieing to know how it went. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some light ahead...
Ian Stirling wrote: As it is, it sounds like the first preorders (if that's still going to be done) are going to be delivered sometime May 20, if the screen problems are resolved. Leaving a couple of months dev time at best before there is something to show to carriers or phone shop chains if they are to carry it in September. One has to accept pre-orders in order to ship pre-orders, no? Have they done that? I thought the only thing was the 'want list' on the wiki. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some light ahead...
Jim Thompson wrote: 1) the Openmoko-for-customers is slated for 9/11/07, so it was going to ship after the Q207 date for the iPhone in any case. It was supposed to be in developers enthusiasts hands back in February - was it not? The plan was to get the geek on board, get them writing apps and fixing problems so that when the general release happened it would have everything in place to blow the competitors away. Well, as we all know it didn't ship so nobody (ok a few) is working on anything. So when / if it ships in September will it really be that impressive? Yes, to you and me it'll be great - a Linux based phone will be wonderful. But to my mom, your neighbor? No, they'll opt for the polished ready to roll iPhone. 2) the iPhone may slip too. Its all the rumor in the Apple world these days. We already know that Apple has slipped its next OS release (10.5) because it put some large number of its OS folks on the iPhone project, in order to get it out the door. It may, but they have a hell of a lot more at stake if they slip the date. To pull developers of OSX, put them on the iPhone, and then slip both dates? Their stock would tank unbelievably - I don't think they'll slip the iPhone date. 3) the iPhone is being sold (in the US) through ATT/Cingular's channels, which are deep and wide. Getting a consumer to the iPhone will be easy. Getting that same individual to an OpenMoko phone will be much more difficult. Getting the 'average joe' to the OpenMoko unknown is going to be difficult at best. Getting the 'average joe' to the OpenMoko when the iPhone, et. al., are flooding the market will be next to impossible. 4) Relax... you're not going to be able to add features to an iPhone. OSX is unix based, so you and I both know that one will be able to add apps to the iPhone. We also both know that for it to succeed in the business environment they'll have to allow 3rd party apps. Know that I want nothing more than for this device to succeed, but I truly believe with each slip its success becomes more difficult. There comes a point in the game when one just has to play the hand that they're holding - whether it's a winning hand or not... Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko at Embedded Systems Conference?
I keep getting bugged for it too, and I've been saying end of March also. But there's now only 2 days left in March, so what should I begin telling people that ask? Dunc Steven ** wrote: Yah. I was wondering about that. A friend of mine keeps bugging me asking when is it going to be available? I just keep responding end of March. We wait with bated breath. -Steven On 3/27/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not at this time. We're all busy trying to get hardware shipping. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What moblie service to get
Jeremy wrote: I just wanted to give a little head-up about Cingular data plans. They are quite confusing, and I've looked into them in the past and read several forums at Cingular's website regarding the issue. Essentially, the cheaper unlimited plan (smart phone?) gives you walled garden access similar to T-Mobile. If you sign up for this plan and access the internet via a different method, you will get slapped with a LARGE bill (depending on your usage). If you sign up for the PDA plans, you can essentially access the internet freely, but you are not allowed to tether your phone, and if you do and they catch you (roll of the dice?), then again you'll get a LARGE bill. And even if you call Cingular and try to ask a sales reps about them, you don't have a great chance they'll know any more than you do about the plans. If you really want to get some info, I've been told you should talk to the actual technical support people as they apparently know a bit more about how the data network actually operates and what is/isn't allowed. Again, I would like to emphasize that this info was taken from 3rd parties in online forums. I don't have any first hand knowledge on this topic (yet). Related to the issue of having to buy a Smart phone with a data plan, I don't think this is true. You can add and remove plans to your account at pretty much any time. They don't really care about the device you're using as long as you don't break the Terms of Use. They want your money... The Cingular data plans have been discussed ad nauseum over at Treocentral.com. The consensus is that basically all the plans will work fine and with the web access to your account you're free to add or subtract any of the data plans w/o dealing w/ customer service. That being said, I've been happily using the $19.99 unlimited data plan for the last 3 years. There doesn't appear to be any 'wall' - I can surf anywhere, vpn, ssh, pop, imap, etc. On a monthly basis my usage is between 80 - 90 Mb. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
denis wrote: Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. I haven't seen Nokia do it. But Handspring / Palm / PalmOne / Access (whatever their Name de Jour is) has been doing this for sometime with the current round of Treos. Very frustrating indeed. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Helios
Dean Collins wrote: The new Helio looks suspiciously oval… J Love the dual sliding keypad concept though. http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/21/helios-pantech-pn-810-qwerty-device-pops-up-in-fcc That's a nice looking phone! And it has an FCC filing to boot - I guess we'll be seeing it on shelves long before we see the Neo1973. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ready For Prime Time?
Dave Crossland wrote: On 24/01/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm starting to get excited about the phone, and I really don't want to see my hopes dashed. Has an FCC filing been made, is the phone ready to go? I believe so. From http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html : 2007-03-11 Phase 1: Official Developer Launch We will sell the Neo1973 direct from openmoko.com for US$350 plus shipping. Sales and orders will be worldwide. We are specifically targeting open source community developers. That's encouraging - I am anxiously awaiting the Neo. But it doesn't answer the question as to whether or not an FCC filing has been made. Maybe it can be used elsewhere on 3/11, but it can't be used in the US unless it's been certified by the FCC. Generally when the certification is done the filing is visible online - I don't see any OpenMoko or FIC filings listed for such a device. And that worries me, as I'm dieing for this thing to arrive. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
BT Vehicle Profiles
I have a car that only allows bluetooth connectivity to about 10 Motorola (old) phones. Needless to say that's incredibly frustrating as my phone isn't one of the listed phones. As this is going to be an open phone could I make the OpenMoko emulate one of these old phones so that I can finally connect to my car? I know nothing about Bluetooth - just how involved would this be? Duncan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: BT Vehicle Profiles
The vehicle in question is a Range Rover HSE. The car isn't mine, it's a company car. The phone in question is one of the phones that I have to support so logically the fact that they won't connect is my problem! My thinking was, get the OpenMoko to connect, move the user to it, and be done with this headache! Andrew Turner wrote: Bluetooth connectivity is usually limited by the protocols that the bluetooth stack supports on the 2-sides. Essentially, are they both going to speak the same protocol? It is sometimes possible to write drivers for hardware (at least open hardware) to add protocol's to the stack. However, what car/system do you have so that it may help identify which protocol's it expects. Here is a good intro to Bluetooth technical aspects: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeviceDrivers/Conceptual/Bluetooth/BT_Bluetooth_Basics/chapter_2_section_4.html Andrew On 1/23/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a car that only allows bluetooth connectivity to about 10 Motorola (old) phones. Needless to say that's incredibly frustrating as my phone isn't one of the listed phones. As this is going to be an open phone could I make the OpenMoko emulate one of these old phones so that I can finally connect to my car? I know nothing about Bluetooth - just how involved would this be? Duncan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
