RE: qtopia flash image update

2007-10-03 Thread Heilpern, Mark
Hi Lorn,

Thanks for the update one problem though. In my case (and presumably
the case for others), I'm not normally inserting a SIM. If I wait long
enough will the lock time out since the network isn't going to register?
Failing that, is there a configuration file I can modify to change the
current behaviour?

Thanks, and thank you for championing Qtopia on this platform.

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From: lpotter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: community@lists.openmoko.org
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Subject: Re: qtopia flash image update

On Wednesday 03 October 2007 03:39:42 Heilpern, Mark wrote:
 I'm seeing the same problems with the new Qtopia image. The device
comes
 up locked (with no apparent way to unlock it) -- the touch screen
 controls flash so I know they're registering, but the screen doesn't
go
 to the unlock screen. The bottom left soft menu is unlock, but
 touching the screen there doesn't register at all.


wait a bit longer. the screen/keylock should go away when it registers
with 
the network.


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RE: qtopia flash image update

2007-10-02 Thread Heilpern, Mark
I'm seeing the same problems with the new Qtopia image. The device comes
up locked (with no apparent way to unlock it) -- the touch screen
controls flash so I know they're registering, but the screen doesn't go
to the unlock screen. The bottom left soft menu is unlock, but
touching the screen there doesn't register at all.

Holding in the power button for a moment provides the restart/shutdown
menu. Selecting shutdown device puts the clock icon on screen but
doesn't go beyond that. Instead, it appears that the phone has crashed
hard; only removal of the battery gets results from here. 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:42 PM
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Subject: Re: qtopia flash image update

On 02/10/2007, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have uploaded a Qtopia snapshot version flash image for the Neo.

 a few Known issues:

 * suspend/resume not fully working. must restart Qtopia to get modem
working
 again.
 * inputmethod covers some widgets (bluetooth settings)
 * no modem mux (no gprs)
 * no mms support (no wap stack integrated)
 * bluetooth audio not tested on Neo yet, probably needs work.

Err.. how about the software is locked as default and shutdown the
device doesn't work?
but I'm sure the rest of the software is good, keep up the good work.

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RE: OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX

2007-09-10 Thread Heilpern, Mark
Title: Fwd: OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX



I have not tried this, but I would think you should be able to mount the jffs2 image on a desktop (using the loopback mechanism), create and mount a similar ext2 image file, and copy everything over.



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RE: Feature status page

2007-08-29 Thread Heilpern, Mark
This would serve as a great project map as well, since each feature
would point to a feature-dedicated page (where appropriate).

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On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 22:01 -0400, Jacques Poulin wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Is there a page somewhere that gives the status of the different
features
 usually found on a phone for the Openmoko project ?

Sounds like an excellent idea! Would you like to volunteer to create the
page in the wiki? We can then make sure it's updated on a regular basis
(weekly perhaps?).

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RE: Neo Debug Board Schematics or Pinouts

2007-08-22 Thread Heilpern, Mark
Are these signals TTL level or are they already RS-232? If they are TTL,
is there any reason I could not use the BrainStem from Acroname
(http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/S13-SERIAL-INT-CONN.html) to
overcome this? (That device only uses TXD, RXD, and of course power and
ground).



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Subject: Re: Neo Debug Board Schematics or Pinouts

wee.kiampeng wrote:
 Hi folks,
 
 I will like to to have a peek at the Neo debug board's schematics or
 pinouts. I need to access the uarts as well as the jtag. Does anyone
have
 any idea?
 

we already are in the process of releasing the neo debug board
schematics since we believe that it would be useful not only for the
moko, but for a lot of different usecases for the embedded hacker
community.

please give us some more time do do this properly.


if you need to access the serial of the ftdi via the 2.54mm spacing port
( J10 ) the pinout is as follows:

1  TXD
2  RXD
3  RTS
4  CTS
5  DSR
6  DTR
7  DCD
8  RI
9  GND
10 VCC (3.3V)


remember, this is the port B of the ftdi2232D so the mapping is
BDBUS0-BDBUS7 pin 1 to pin 8

to get a serial from your linux kernel do this:

modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x1457 product=0x5118

then you get 2 serial of which one will vanish as soon as you start
openocd to use portA as jtag

J1 on the debug board is JTAG in regular arm 20pin out



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RE: Fwd: mailing list management

2007-08-14 Thread Heilpern, Mark
No vote != no change. No vote = don't care.

Personally I don't care, but I don't feel my apathy should lend strength
to one side of the argument or another.

Incidentally, my lack of caring is only relevant to the subject line. I
do feel the reply-to should be changed to reply to the list instead. I
read the page that was linked, suggesting that's a bad idea, and I
disagree.



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hank williams wrote:
 Oops. As usual I hit reply to and it went to casey personally

 Its broken.
Just so that the 'silent majority' don't lose out on this one, I would 
like to point out that there are approximately 1,500 people subscribed 
to this list.  Can we assume that unless we hear from them their vote is

'no change'?  There are pros and cons to each system, but anyone who has

already set up their own filters will have done so on the existing 
system so I suggest we leave it as it is.

Cheers,
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RE: Email Problems????

2007-07-28 Thread Heilpern, Mark



I've had a very different problem... 3 times I've replied to my order asking for an invoice, and 2 of them definitely went though, however my only response was "our records show your request has been fulfilled" (and yet I've neither received an invoice nor a reply that suggests it's not possible).


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Steve GrevemeyerSent: Fri 7/27/2007 9:26 AMTo: community@lists.openmoko.orgSubject: Email Problems

All,Is it just me or do other have problems trying to email anyone @openmoko.com??I've been trying to get any information on my order for weeks. I consistently get an delay response: The original message was received at Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:02:43 -0400 from c-76-109-107-17.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.109.107.17] - Transcript of session follows - 451 4.4.1 reply: read error from sita.openmoko.org. [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Deferred: Connection timed out with sita.openmoko.org. Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days oldI've even tried emailing William Lai directly but I get the sameresponse.I have an order number [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1920] but haven'tgotten even the YES_I_DO email. (though I tried to send in a preemptiveone.)Sorry to send this through the list but I've about exhausted all of theother alternatives. Oh, and I want the phone. :) :)-segSteve Grevemeyer[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: Store info - shipping costs, credit card support

2007-07-12 Thread Heilpern, Mark
For your state (or province, if in Canada), use a two letter
abbreviation, in capitol letters.

 



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Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 4:14 PM
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Subject: Re: Store info - shipping costs, credit card support

 

I'm still getting a blank page after submitting step 1...

On 7/8/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 07:49 +1200, Nick Johnson wrote:
 I just bought one. The only shipping option listed was SAVER at a 
 wince-inducing $85.13 USD to ship to New Zealand.

 As for credit cards: Visa and American Express only.

We just added MasterCard.

-Sean


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RE: Few comments after reading Wiki

2007-05-23 Thread Heilpern, Mark
I use both a LogicPort and a DigiView (www.tech-tools.com). The DigiView
is a little more expensive, but it has a huge capture buffer. (I think
the DV is 128kb, where the LogicPort is 4kb.) Conversely, the LogicPort
has 34 input signals where the DV has only 18.

The application provided with the LogicPort is much more polished; DV's
is pretty rocky. I still use the DV much more often, carrying the
LogicPort only as a backup.


If you want to roll your own, with Linux support, check out
http://flash-plaice.wikispaces.com/. (I'm not sure, but I may have first
found that link on this mailing list.) I haven't played with that
device, but if I had more free time





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On Wed, 23 May 2007, Werner Almesberger wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There are a couple of PC-based LAs that work with Linux. Look for the
xoscope
 project, I think it has links to a couple of such LAs.

 Hmm, only the BitScope, which is a nice device, but its digital
 capabilities are fairly limited. What I'm thinking of is something
 like the LogicPort: http://www.pctestinstruments.com/

I'll check with my friends. I'm sure I've seen something.

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RE: Making Neo Brickproof, was comments after reading Wiki

2007-05-17 Thread Heilpern, Mark



JTAG, via the debug port.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Emre TurkaySent: Thu 5/17/2007 5:25 AMTo: community@lists.openmoko.orgSubject: Re: Making Neo Brickproof, was comments after reading Wiki
Hi folks,I would strongly support putting a no-way-writable ROM chip as this first level boot loader. If there is no such option, I really wonder what is my option if somehow it gets screwed up, other than the trash can? Is there an always working solution to reset my moko?Emre Turkay
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Simon Matthews wrote: It seems to me as someone who designs and makes embedded devices (mainly using the Freescale MC9S12 processors) that you need another lower level bootstrap loader that is small, Ah yes, we've been through that idea as well :-)We rejected it, because we don't want to have yet more codeduplicating functionality found elsewhere to maintain. Besides, itwouldn't be all that trivial, given that we don't have any "simple" interfaces. (Anything that needs a debug board or other fancyadapters doesn't count.)Also, there really isn't much difference between a few protectedbytes or hundreds of protected kilobytes. We need an extra chip anyway, and if we want something reasonably small and modern, it'llhave plenty of space. Thus there's no penalty in using it.But yes, the "small loader" approach works well enough in other contexts. I've used it myself.- Werner--_/ Werner Almesberger, Buenos Aires, Argentina [EMAIL PROTECTED] //_http://www.almesberger.net//___OpenMoko community mailing listcommunity@lists.openmoko.orghttp://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


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RE: data encryption + Biometric security

2007-02-01 Thread Heilpern, Mark
Unfortunately I couldn't provide 100% open source on the driver or the
application libraries.

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To: Heilpern, Mark; community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: RE: data encryption + Biometric security

Lol, Mark, want to send a device in for evaluation to the guys. I'm sure
they would be up for it.

 

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heilpern, Mark
 Sent: Thursday, 1 February 2007 1:13 PM
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: RE: data encryption + Biometric security
 
 There are many competing technologies behind fingerprint scanning and 
 evaluation techniques, some which are rather weak and others which are

 quite strong. Forming opinions based on tests against a small subset
of
 them is not exactly doing due dilligence.
 
 Watching things like tv's MythBusters defeat fingerprint sensors is 
 interesting and entertaining, but when you know they're using several 
 year old, out-dated technology for the sensors they evaluate, you
might
 suspect that there's more to the story that they're telling you.
 
 Disclaimer: I work for a fingerprint sensor manufacturer.
 
 
 
 
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert
Michel
 Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:41 PM
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Re: data encryption + Biometric security
 
 Salve Ben!
 
 First it sounds a very smart idea to have biometric security, but
sorry,
 when I give you some sceptical feedback.
 
 On Thu, 01 Feb 2007, Ben Burdette wrote:
 
  Here are a couple of items for the phone wish list:  data encryption

  and biometric security.
 
 Biometric security wasn't discussed by the OpenMoko community yet,
I'm
 no crypto expert, but I'm not convinced that biometric worth the 
 hardware... see:
 http://www.ccc.de/biometrie/fingerabdruck_kopieren
 
 When somebody wants to play with biometric security  the Neo1973
could
 be used for voiceanalysing - Print 7 random words to the screen and
the
 user has to read them aloud ...
 
  I'd like the phone to be a secure place for me to store passwords
and
  similar information.  Are there plans to have some security features

  like this, that would prevent someone from extracting secure data
from
 
  the phone if it was lost?
 
 A file could have an encrypted filesystem, acess is given only for a 
 while and only while GPRS connection is on.
 If it is lost, use Internet or an asterisk server to unmount this
file.
 
  Having a fingerprint scanner would be more of a convenience feature
so
 
  I wouldn't have to enter a password whenever I want use the phone,
or
  alternatively when I want to access encrypted data.
 
 Sounds nice, but I have doubts that a fingerscanner is given real 
 security.
 
 I will going to play with my (Debian) Crytoflex card, but not to make 
 access more easy - to make it more secure.
 So when I have to lost both - my Neo and my Cryptotoken.
 
 projectblackdog.com costs 199US$+Chiping for me to expensive.
 
 But this is just my 2cents
 
 When somebody has such a finger scanner and likes to make it running 
 with OpenMoko would be fine - but expect also some feedback that the 
 fingerscanner concept is not so secure as it looks like:
 google finger scanner site:www.schneier.com
 
 Greetings,
 rob
 
 
 
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RE: logins? access to private data on the phone

2007-01-15 Thread Heilpern, Mark
Sounds like what you really want is a secure way to log in that's more
convenient than a password -- something like a fingerprint sensor. 

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Subject: logins? access to private data on the phone

After spending a few minutes today being annoyed again by my Palm
Pilot's idea of security, I'm wondering how logins and security will be
handled by openmoko (and how they're handled by existing Linux PDAs).

What I'd like to see would be for most functions to be available without
the need for any sort of login.  I don't want to have to enter a
password to answer my phone or listen to an MP3!  However, when I access
data I've marked as private, I should have to enter a password; having
looked at some private data, I'd like to be able to keep looking at
private data for some time -- sort of like how sudo on my desktop
doesn't ask for my password for every command I execute, but if I don't
execute a sudo command for a while, it decides to ask for a password
again.

What I *don't* want is what Palm does:  they've got the first part of
wishes right -- unless I lock the device, I can do things like dial the
phone without a password.  Where they screw up is with their handling of
private records:  I can mark a record as private, and then I can set
security on the phone to either view or hide private records.  If I ask
to view private records I enter a password -- at which point I can see
all private records on the phone, from then until I manual hide them all
again.  The result is that I all-too-often discuver I've been walking
around for days with various private databases exposed to the world

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RE: Question about kernel level hacking

2007-01-12 Thread Heilpern, Mark
I can only speculate, but I would expect a JTAG port to be made
available -- probably on the phone itself, but failing that, through the
hackers lunchbox (or was that toolbox?) accessory. That would allow
you to reprogram flash without relying on the existing flash booting, as
long as you have the JTAG connection and software on your development
host.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alessandro
Iurlano
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:56 AM
To: OpenMoko
Subject: Question about kernel level hacking


Hello!
As I am mainly a low level programmer I will probably try to put my
hands on the Neo at kernel level like customizing
the linux kernel with patches or even try to program the Neo with my own
kernel.
I think that the openess of the platform will allow me that. Is it
right? 
Is there a way to recover a mistake at this level (that is, the boot
loader doesn't work any more)?

Thanks a lot,
Alessandro


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