displaying osm tiles with python/edje
Has anyone done any work to display osm tiles with python/edje? I'm working on a running[1] app and would like to record and display my track. It looks like it would be pretty easy to display a single tile, but I think displaying multiple tiles would more difficult. Thanks, Josh [1] just to be clear - running as in exercise ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is xserver-xorg-video-glamo freezy for anyone else than just me?
I'll add something to this that I was recently reminded of. The freezes occur much more frequently with GTK based apps. I have a utility sort of app I wrote that I leave running all the time. After one of the upgrades (several months ago), I noticed that elementary based apps were significantly faster than GTK ones; so, I rewrote my app in elementary. After that, the freezes didn't happen nearly as often. Last weekend, I was using a GTK based app a fair amount and experienced several freezes. Josh On Friday April 16, 2010, Josh Thompson wrote: I occasionally encounter this and was also thinking I must have some edge case hardware glitch since I haven't heard anyone else talk about it. In my case, I wouldn't say it's completely random - there's always something I do that is graphics related that causes the freeze. It's never something repeatable, but it is always something related to the contents of the screen being updated. I think that's what you are describing as well. I've not reported it before because it is so random and difficult to debug. I do software development professionally and know how hard it is to help someone with a problem that can't be intentionally reproduced. I'm using SHR-T. The image is dated March 3rd, 2010. I downloaded it and the latest kernel image at the same time on March 10th. It is kernel version 2.6.29-rc3. This is the most stable image I have run yet. I tried doing some upgrades at one point, but had more issues; so I reflashed the image. With this image, I'm probably down to only having this type of freeze maybe once every 2 weeks or so. I've never tried fbdev. If anyone of the devs have some suggestions as to how to try to debug this, I'd be happy to try. Maybe a script that periodically gathers and saves some data that can be reviewed after rebooting? Josh Thompson On Wednesday April 14, 2010, Neil Jerram wrote: I've raised this rather vaguely a couple of times before, and IIRC no one else said that they see similar problems. This time I'll try to be clear and so hopefully attract a more definitive response. Simply, whenever I try switching to glamo for a while (instead of fbdev), I find that my phone freezes after a while: the screen and buttons are unresponsive, and I can't ssh in. My only recourse is to pull out the battery - which is of course a concern, as I could then be corrupting the filesystem. It seems completely random, and not associated with any particular action. Today, for example, it happened very quickly after booting up: - boot up and wait for UI to appear - click on keyboard icon to bring up the matchbox keyboard - click on Ctrl, Alt, and X - which should bring up an xterm - freeze. On other occasions, that same sequence works find. Some times the freeze happens after a day or more of use. I see this in Debian, which is my main distro. I also see it whenever I decide to try SHR again - and it effectively prevents me from being able to try SHR for very long. (In Debian, I can just switch back to fbdev.) Does anyone else see this? If not, I'm guessing it could be caused by a specific hardware fault on my phone - any ideas on how I might investigate that further? Once in the frozen state, is there anything better/safer to do than pulling out the battery? Many thanks! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is xserver-xorg-video-glamo freezy for anyone else than just me?
I occasionally encounter this and was also thinking I must have some edge case hardware glitch since I haven't heard anyone else talk about it. In my case, I wouldn't say it's completely random - there's always something I do that is graphics related that causes the freeze. It's never something repeatable, but it is always something related to the contents of the screen being updated. I think that's what you are describing as well. I've not reported it before because it is so random and difficult to debug. I do software development professionally and know how hard it is to help someone with a problem that can't be intentionally reproduced. I'm using SHR-T. The image is dated March 3rd, 2010. I downloaded it and the latest kernel image at the same time on March 10th. It is kernel version 2.6.29-rc3. This is the most stable image I have run yet. I tried doing some upgrades at one point, but had more issues; so I reflashed the image. With this image, I'm probably down to only having this type of freeze maybe once every 2 weeks or so. I've never tried fbdev. If anyone of the devs have some suggestions as to how to try to debug this, I'd be happy to try. Maybe a script that periodically gathers and saves some data that can be reviewed after rebooting? Josh Thompson On Wednesday April 14, 2010, Neil Jerram wrote: I've raised this rather vaguely a couple of times before, and IIRC no one else said that they see similar problems. This time I'll try to be clear and so hopefully attract a more definitive response. Simply, whenever I try switching to glamo for a while (instead of fbdev), I find that my phone freezes after a while: the screen and buttons are unresponsive, and I can't ssh in. My only recourse is to pull out the battery - which is of course a concern, as I could then be corrupting the filesystem. It seems completely random, and not associated with any particular action. Today, for example, it happened very quickly after booting up: - boot up and wait for UI to appear - click on keyboard icon to bring up the matchbox keyboard - click on Ctrl, Alt, and X - which should bring up an xterm - freeze. On other occasions, that same sequence works find. Some times the freeze happens after a day or more of use. I see this in Debian, which is my main distro. I also see it whenever I decide to try SHR again - and it effectively prevents me from being able to try SHR for very long. (In Debian, I can just switch back to fbdev.) Does anyone else see this? If not, I'm guessing it could be caused by a specific hardware fault on my phone - any ideas on how I might investigate that further? Once in the frozen state, is there anything better/safer to do than pulling out the battery? Many thanks! Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is xserver-xorg-video-glamo freezy for anyone else than just me?
Timo, Can you explain how to set up a watchdog daemon? It would also save wear on the back cover tabs, which I'm more concerned about than the battery contacts. :) Thanks, Josh On Wednesday April 14, 2010, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com writes: Does anyone else see this? I'm personally using xserver-xorg-video-fbdev. However, even that started to crash a few weeks ago in Xorg upgrade. The bug is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575521 If not, I'm guessing it could be caused by a specific hardware fault on my phone - any ideas on how I might investigate that further? What kernel? Once in the frozen state, is there anything better/safer to do than pulling out the battery? Run watchdog daemon. That will at least make your battery contacts wear less :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
On Saturday March 06, 2010, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2010/2/2 Josh Thompson om-c...@joshandbianca.net I just tested this on another computer, and the USB networking worked fine. How do I change it to use the usb_storage gadget instead? Previously, I just rmmoded the g_ether gadget and modprobed the g_file_storage one. Depending on my need, I switch back and forth between these two. Did you figure out how to do this? I need to use my FR with WinXP as a storage device and am stuck to this kernel. Unfortunately, no I didn't. I'm still hoping someone that knows more about usb gadgets will figure it out. Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: thanks to authors of Podboy, NIDE, and openmokontrol
On Tue January 26 2010 2:20:34 am lars poulsen wrote: I really like the responsiveness of the application. If only it was not written in python i think flowers would be blooming and spring would be coming early. I was rather surprised that it is in python given how responsive it is. I'm kind of glad it is in python so that I can use it as an example of how to do a good python-elementary app. :) Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: thanks to authors of Podboy, NIDE, and openmokontrol
On Mon January 25 2010 6:39:13 pm Denis Johnson wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Josh Thompson om-c...@joshandbianca.net wrote: NIDE is working really well to control MythTV. I had been thinking of writing something to control it via MythTV's remote control interface. This works just as well and works for other apps too. I have wanted to get NIDE running on my QTMoko to also control my MythTV but I'm stuggling to find working any of the feed or package links on the NIDE page, what's the secret ? cheers Denis I'm using SHR-testing and used the feed from the wiki page. I have version 0.01-r0 installed from around a week ago. Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
thanks to authors of Podboy, NIDE, and openmokontrol
I just wanted to say thanks to the authors of 3 different applications I have started using recently. Podboy is fitting my need extremely well for listening to podcasts. I can't say how great this app is! :) NIDE is working really well to control MythTV. I had been thinking of writing something to control it via MythTV's remote control interface. This works just as well and works for other apps too. I just tried openmokontrol for playing Tux Racer. That was really cool! Now, I just need to set things up to start Tux Racer with NIDE and then run openmokontrol to control it. Thanks a bunch! Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: elm_browser and https
On Friday January 22, 2010, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: c_c a écrit : @Xavier Cremaschi - can you tell me what happens? Try running the browser from the terminal to see if webkit throws up any debug messages. I see nothing in terminal : r...@om-gta02 ~ $ browser restoring state db ver 1 showing window Error #0 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'. Error #0 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'. Symptoms : I can't follow any https link (click = no action) I was having the same problem and launched browser with strace. I found I was just missing /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt. I copied that in from my desktop machine. After that, I was able to access https sites. Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[any] formatting text in python elementary buttons
I'm converting a small app I wrote in python-gtk to use python-elementary. I had some buttons where I was using set_use_markup on a button's label to do things like setting the font color and background. I can't find a way to do that with python-elementary. Is there a way to do so? If there is, where should I look for more info on it? I've been using the source control browsing for python-elementary[1] and looking at shr-settings as a guide so far. Thanks, Josh [1] http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/BINDINGS/python/python-elementary/elementary/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Received SMS going unnoticed
On Friday November 13, 2009, Petr Vanek wrote: But are the accelerometers enabled when FR is in sleep mode ? Because if you have to wake up the FR to enable them then it's faster to read your phone screen :P you can set a threshold on the accels to generate interrupt to wake the phone, upon waking, it could check if there was a missed call or a message, if yes, then vibrate... I really like this idea. If some event happens (such as a received SMS, missed call, etc), use the accelerometers to see if the phone is moved for some number of seconds afterward. If not, then configure them to wake the phone the next time it is moved before going into suspend. When movement wakes it up, notify the user to check for a missed event (turn on display/blink LED/vibrate/whatever). Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?
On Wednesday June 17, 2009, Brolin Empey wrote: * textual notes (so I don’t have to keep track of lots of paper notes), I wrote pynotes: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/pynotes/ ipk here: http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/746/pynotes_0.1_arm.ipk as a replacement for Palm's Memos app. It also includes a python script that can be used in conjunction with pilot-link's pilot-memos utility to import your memos from your palm. I haven't gotten around to getting it up at opkg.org. If anyone wants to do that, feel free. Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All] Suggested IMAP client?
I wrote a very basic imap mail reader (can't compose messages yet) app in python/GTK. You can find a little more about it here: http://people.engr.ncsu.edu/jfthomps/freerunner/ It starts with a screen listing all of the configured imap servers. Clicking on one changes the window to be a display of all of your mail folders on that server. Clicking on a folder changes the window to be a display listing the messages in the folder (from/subject/date). Clicking on a message changes the window to display the message body. There's a back button that is always displayed at the top that lets you go back to the previous screen. I don't have much time to develop right now, but if there is anyone else that would like to take what I started and add some more features to it, I'll apply to get it started at projects.openmoko.org. Josh On Mon March 23 2009 7:12:40 am Jan Keymeulen wrote: On Sat 21 March 2009 om 07:36:52 GMT William Kenworthy told us: Yes, this would be nice. In the meantime, Ive fallen back to squirrelmail on my webserver and midori to read it on the FR. Works ok, but is there a better webmail more suited to a small screen? I use MIMP, part of the Horde framework. http://www.horde.org/mimp/ However, a real mail client would be vey nice. On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 17:29 -0400, Cameron Frazier wrote: As per the subject, is there a suggested IMAP client for the FR? I'm using SHR-Unstable at the moment, but I figure it's a reasonable question for all distros. Kind regards, Cameron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr-unstable] no luncher icons
I recently did an upgrade after which I have nothing but the top bar in the launcher window when using the Icons mode. I can see stuff using the Slider mode, but find it very difficult to use. I've tried using each of the different icon sizes, but that didn't help. Removing my .e directory didn't fix it either. I can ssh in and run things successfully. Any ideas how to get this functionality back? Thanks Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QWO (was Re: handwriting recognition)
On Thu January 15 2009 3:06:37 pm Johny Tenfinger wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 20:38, Josh Thompson om-c...@joshandbianca.net wrote: Anyone know how to make it show up in SHR? Check .desktop file if have Keyboard (but i'm not sure that it's correct name) category, and select it in Keyboard menu after clicking Illume's wrench on top shelf. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thanks - that's what I needed! I've started using qwo and really like it. Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Charger?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday January 04, 2009, lollisoft wrote: Another question: Does someone have seen a docking station like item to place the phone when driving with navigation. This could also have a built in car charger :-) I use this this model: http://www.extremepda.com/AUTOMOUNT-GN-LG.html It has a 9 flexible gooseneck mount and suctions to the windshield. With the feet switched to the other end from the default configuration (i.e. making the release button on the top end), it works out that the headphone jack and the USB jack can be accessed through the holes in the arms. Josh -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFJb3C8V/LQcNdtPQMRAi3iAJ0WiNxWCALYXpbr5dFlx7cMUk2evQCeMXb2 027gwcUPBu8XnXQ2WEB2How= =FPei -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QWO (was Re: handwriting recognition)
On Thursday January 15, 2009, DJDAS wrote: arne anka ha scritto: I use QWO since December and I feel very nice with it, forgot any other keyboard and dictionariesvery good input method. what's qwo? the qtopia one? _ Nope, look at this: http://www.nongnu.org/qwo/ Bye :) On what distro are you using QWO? I just tried it on SHR, and nothing ever shows up. If I ssh in to my FR with my display forwarded to my desktop and run it, it seems to work ok. Anyone know how to make it show up in SHR? Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2007.2 fr] boot prolems
Harry, Welcome to Openmoko community. On Fri January 9 2009 7:45:25 pm Harry L. Lee wrote: however I cannot successfully press and hold aux then press power to get to the boot menu. i'm pretty creative about solving you only have one hand problems, but i haven't been able to beat this one. before you try to tell me just do this, pleas try your method with your left (more accurately, non-dominant) hand in its pocket (you'd be amazed how many things you use both for without realizing. I had to work on this on for a bit. I've pressed both buttons many times when holding the FR in my left hand. The button orientation doesn't work out as well for that when I switch it to my right hand. That is, until I realized turning it over would orient the buttons the same way as if it were in my left hand. So, give this a try. Hold the FR in your hand with the screen facing away from you (ie, you are looking right at the openmoko written on the back) with your thumb on the AUX button and all 4 fingers basically next to each other on the other side (side with the power button). When I hold it that way, my ring finger naturally ends up on the power button. Then, press and hold the AUX button with your thumb and then press the power button for about 2 seconds. Then, you should be able to run dfu-util. Also, I realized I could flip my hand over while holding it this way and still see a bit of the screen to know when I had held the buttons long enough. it seems there should be a relatively simple software based solution to this problem. the boot menu is just a program, somewhere (I assume in what a dinosaur like me would think of as) the computer's memory space. it would seem if you knew where it was, you could use a debugger to jump to that location and begin execution. it would seem a shell script could accomplish that, or even a small binary executable. if some om zen master could either point out why that wouldn't work, or whip up the appropiate tool, i''d be eternally grateful. That's the kind of thinking I like to see! :) Though, I have no idea how to go about doing this. Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian/FSO/other?] some simple scripts I've developed
I've written a few scripts to help manage some things on my Freerunner. I'm sharing them in case anyone else might find them useful to either use or just see as a reference for how to code something themselves. One is a very simple IMAP mail reader program. The rest are a set of scripts mainly written to provide a GUI interface to several command only type things. They also handle things like dimming the screen and powering on/off wifi. I initially started writing them on 2007.2 but updated most of it to work on debian which is what I use now. More info about them can be found here along with download links: http://people.engr.ncsu.edu/jfthomps/freerunner/ Here are some things the collection of scripts can do: -launcher tab to easily launch most common apps; it only lists apps that have Main as a category in the .desktop file -wifi power on/off and ifup/ifdown eth0 -misc tab to do things like view battery status, change screen brightness, launch xkill, change usbmode, change screen orientation; really anything I need a button to do, I put here -lock tab that is mostly blank (so nothing accidentally gets run) with a really small enable/disable lock button at the bottom; I've since switched to just having the desktop get displayed for my lock mode, but the enable/disable button still works Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: messed everything mixing repositories?
was already replied on http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/002227.html there's nothing to do. get image and reflash.. FR is still a pain in the ass for newcomers Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:08:40 +0100 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: messed everything mixing repositories? in case its useful this is the x.log _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6 _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/om-gta02:0 _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6 (II) verbosity set to 5 Using GLAMO 3362 card (II) Screen: 16/16 depth/bpp (II) vram size:4194304, onscreen vram size:614400, offscreen vram size:3579904 (II) initialising offscreen pixmaps Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 637 in kinput.c D-BUS per-session daemon address is: unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-HTd496jQdD,guid=a7583eaa794c54ab9cc9ce8849388b8a Segmentation fault run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70settings-daemon exited with code 139 neod: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xXWindowManager exited with code 127 waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE built-ins refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. i get also wrong data CRC in data node xx notices and opkg gives a plain and simple segfault opkg update Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/all/Packages.gz Segmentation fault sigh -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
armband
Has anyone tried to find an armband for holding your Freerunner while exercising? Comparing dimensions to other devices, it seems closest to an 80GB Zune. So, I'm thinking that might work. I realize I'll probably have to cut at least one hole in it for the headphone jack. Does anyone have a Zune armband they could try sticking their Freerunner in? Any other ideas? Thanks, Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec on Openmoko
For anyone else like myself that's not using the debian distro, I was able to download the debian package files for Midori (armel version) from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/midori to an Ubuntu box, extract them from the deb file dpkg -x filname.deb extract to dir create a tarball, copy that over to my FR and extract it. I also had to download the package for libgtksourceview to get it to work. I'm using 2007.2. I do have a problem when I click Go-Location... that I can't see whereever I'm supposed to enter the URL. However, if I just type it in using the keyboard followed by Enter, it will go to the URL. Josh On Wednesday 27 August 2008 6:10:10 am Michele Renda wrote: Yes, I have the same impession too I used the ipk version of Midori (Om 2008.8) and I realy did't liked it, but then I used the Debian + XFCE + Midori: It is wonderful! Not too I was able to see www.alitalia.it, that is a site problematic in computers, it render perfect on midori. I used it on everyday use. budfive wrote: I just looked through several browsers for something that is useable. The conclusion I reached is that the debian packaged copy of midori is excellent. And not just excellent compared with the other browsers or compared with what was considered useful on openmoko so far. It is actually very functional and very fast. If you have had a bad experience with midori using openmoko's packages, try it again with debian. You will be very pleasantly surprised. This actually gives me a reason to carry the freerunner with me. Get it. Get it now. Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 04:37:25PM +0200, Fox Mulder wrote: At the moment i got iceweasel running on my debian freerunner. It is also a firefox port which works great. I could use any original addon from mozilla. :) Maybe it is a bit slow when starting but at the moment it is the best browser i found for my neo. But you are right. In the future i hope there will be a bit more lightweight mobile version of the firefox. I viciously hate my experience with midori and openmoko-browser :) Rui -- Keep the Lasagna flying! Today is Boomtime, the 18th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec on Openmoko
+1 I looked in to compiling it enough to find out it's complicated enough that I won't have the time to get it done any time soon. I'd love to see it happen though. Josh On Monday August 25, 2008, Alasal wrote: I think it should be great if we could get Fennec (the firefox mobile browser) on the Openmoko phones. First we get an very actively developed browser on the Openmoko and we can help testing the direction of the firefox mobile in real. (So the fennec developers get input on their design) I think we and the fennec people can benefit from this. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
I've done this several times with no problems so far. Josh On Monday August 25, 2008, Fredrik Wendt wrote: Hi. Just wanted to know if I'd damage the hardware by doing: 0. Connect FR to computer using USB cable. 1. Turn on FR (FSO-testing), fire up zhone. 2. Open FR, remove battery, open SIM pocket, change SIM card, replace battery, replace back cover - all while the FR is running off power from USB In Sweden we have three GSM network operators (those with licenses to actually put GSM equipment to use) and having to wait 3-4 minutes after each SIM change really kills productivity and flow ... / Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Archive for Australian user list?
Hi Msquared (and all), i have just joined the aussie user group. Is there some place I can search/read the archives for this australian user list? Cheers, josh On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Msquared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 08:59:50PM +0800, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: 0n Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:06:55PM +1000, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: For those like me who were baffled how to actually join: Send a **plain-text** message containing subscribe oz-users to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you get instructions back. Msquared, Can you point people the correct instructions to subscribe. Alex Sadleir's instructions are correct. They're slightly different from the instructions I gave out previously, but they will also work. It is, however, a good idea to add a single line 'end' after the line 'subscribe oz-users', as this will ensure that any signature lines will be ignored by Majordomo. Just to recap; your oz-users subscription request email should look like this: From: You To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note the .au!) Subject: whatever you like (put something that makes sense to you) subscribe oz-users end You will be sent a confirmation request email in response (the list is strictly double-opt-in), which will contain instructions to confirm your email address and complete your subscription. Regards, Msquared... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
unmodified FreeRunner for Sale GTA02
I am selling my Freerunner w/ ATT SIM included. Have placed calls w/ ATT SIM card, no issues on connectivity. No damage to phone, all accessories included that come w/ original package. All settings and configuration are factory default. Screen protector still on FR. FR was not DOA when I got it :) Anyone interested please email me directly. I am located in Southern California, USA. thank you! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner for Sale
Do not have the time to maintain any longer. I am selling my Freerunner w/ ATT SIM included. Have placed calls w/ ATT SIM card, no issues on connectivity. No damage to phone, all accessories included that come w/ original package. All settings and configuration are factory default. FR was not DOA when I got it :) Anyone interested please email me directly. thank you! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: any update on GSM interference issue
On Monday August 04, 2008, Andy Green wrote: AFAIK in hardware this should be possible -- BT audio comes in on VX digital interface of WM8753 and there should be a path to get in and out of that to RXN/P pair and MONO1/2 pair. So, I found this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem Now, I'm starting to understand what a lot of those setting in alsamixer mean. Does anyone know how much of the ALSA Channels diagram has changed for the FR? It seems there are 3 steps to getting a bluetooth headset to work for making calls. 1) connect the headset to the phone 2) route the audio correctly through the WM8753 so that it runs between the bluetooth device and the GSM. 3) configure the PCM coming from the WM8753 to be the right format for going to the bluetooth device. Directions for step 1 seem to be here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Headset_Audio Although, I'm not sure how the python script plays into things. Direction for step 2 seem to be on the audio subsystem page listed above using the asound.state file (http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/%7Egg/neo1973/gsmbluetooth.state) as a starting point. I guess step 3 is solved with the bluetooth_pcm.c file that is linked to on the same page. Unfortunately, I don't have much time to work on this. Hopefully, this will help someone else move things along. Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
any update on GSM interference issue
Has there been any progress on the GSM interference issue (bug #883)? As I understand it, this is the current condition (please correct anything that is wrong): -only some people seem to have a problem with it -the buzzing is only heard by people on the other end -it is a hardware issue -it is being looked in to by the OpenMoko team -it is affected by how much power the FR is having to use to reach the tower (i.e. better signal strength - less buzzing) Has anyone gotten a bluetooth headset (SCO type) to work with the 2007.2 distro for making calls? If so, how did you do it, and did it fix this interference issue? This issue is the only thing keeping me from using my FR as my primary phone. Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS rework: Please test and report on software fix prior to attempting any hardware fix
Could we get a link to some image files to use for this testing? I'm not quite sure when Andy's fix made it in the kernel. It would also help standardize the tests if we all use the same images. Josh On Mon August 4 2008 7:29:17 pm Michael Shiloh wrote: Before we conclude that the hardware fix is required, we'd really like to gather a lot of statistics from you about the behavior of the software fix. We have been able to test in only a limited number of locations, and a limited number of phones. We'd like to ask you to run some tests and report back the TTFF in each case: 1. Prior to Andy's software fix 1a. Without SD card 1b. With SD card 2. Using Andy's software fix 2a. Without SD card 2b. With SD card Preferably run this test in multiple locations. Results should be reported on a wiki page, which should include your location (so we can assess other influences e.g. satellite elevation and weather conditions) Thanks, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Which ATT data plans are compatible?
Thanks for the response regarding the wireless connectivity in a home/business, yes that makes sense and I can connect that way. My question, and apologies for not being specific enough, was to allow the FR to host a website (maybe just w/ redirects or not) and/or an ftp server. Being able to ssh into my phone over the public internet and or serve content would be phenomenal. Has anyone dug into this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Vaughan Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:37 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Which ATT data plans are compatible? I can do that, if my phone is connected to my home wireless network. Likewise, but it would be nice if we had some dyndns support pre- configured so that Freerunners everywhere could function, rightly so, as pocket-based web servers. I love the idea of being able to see, physically on the screen, whenever someone is downloading something from the webserver in my phone. This would be *Fantastic* for software delivery services for a new realm of independent developers .. ;) ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which ATT data plans are compatible?
Jay Vaughan wrote: My question, and apologies for not being specific enough, was to allow the FR to host a website (maybe just w/ redirects or not) and/or an ftp server. Being able to ssh into my phone over the public internet and or serve content would be phenomenal. Has anyone dug into this? i have my freerunner connected to my local WLAN and am ssh'ing into it that way, instead of using the usb-ether approach, and it works very well. quite fun, in fact, to have it stay in the pocket of my shirt and still keep hacking away from the laptop. as long as you can get your freerunner on the WLAN and give it an ip address just like any other host, you can get into it. as far as using it as a web server, for sure openembedded has lighthttp and even a pared down (or is it bloated, i forget?) apache too, so thats entirely feasible. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thanks Jay ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
Scott wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 7/30/08 Daniel Benoy wrote: Also, would the openmoko design team be willing to consider a toggle in the configuration menu between manual and automatic? What we want is for people to add their own configuration options to menus in the form of packages installable from the Installer. This is why we remove functionality. So we can focus on how to make sure our products are extensible. This seems like a bullshit answer to me. Taking functionality away doesn't improve the FR. It makes it less useful. Are you guys deaf or something? Haven't you hear the screams from the people who plonked down their cold hard cash for your product about this reduction in functionality? Or are you just so damn arrogant you think its your way or the highway? If the functionality was there and you felt it should be an option, YOU should have made it one! But thats not what you did. You made it difficult for a programmer to temporarily bring it back, and no way to make it a user selectable option. bah!! Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Or is Sean saying that this would be an option if it was in the form of a package, so if the package was built (by the community) then you would have the choice to toggle or not to toggle? I am assuming that functionality was removed so that it can be an installable option and not a default. Sean? Maybe asking for more information on why, or a more in-depth explanation would be appropriate. Tone down the negativity and just post the question. Constructive criticism is needed for things to move forward, but you can at least be respectfull. I think if OM answered you in the same rhetoric you are asking questions and throwing flames that you would find it offensive. Yes, things need to be improved and yes things are not exactly how everyone wants them. OM has as least opened this up so your input can be received NOW, they could have kept this completely closed for the next year and we would still all be waiting... People need to stop biting the hand that feeds you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Which ATT data plans are compatible?
Excuse me if I have missed previous posts on this... Is it possible to ssh to your phone over public IP space yet? With the ability then to setup a webserver, ftp site, or something similar? cheers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:26 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Which ATT data plans are compatible? Yes, to my knowledge, GPRS data transfer is not yet automated and not working out-of-the-box. A few people on the list have shared instructions on how they got it to at least connect to their carrier to get an IP address, but I haven't tried it myself on my ATT (contract) SIM yet. -id Dimitri wrote: Ian, When you say GPRS data transfer is still being worked on does that mean it doesn't currently work? I ask because my ATT pay-as-you-go plan has MediaNet data access included, for $.01 / kb. But if I try to connect to a web page, it won't connect. (Using my local WiFi or USB connection, it connects fine.) Could it be an issue with my 3g blazing sim? I would guess no, since it works just fine when making/receiving calls and text messages. Dimitri ian douglas-2 wrote: You'll probably need the PDA Personal plan, that's what they recommend to smartphone users, which the Freerunner will qualify as, in their opinion. But GPRS data transfer is still being worked on, so hold off paying the $30/month for unlimited data just yet. -id Dimitri wrote: Which ATT data access plans are compatible with Openmoko? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: WIKI still a POS
Then start helping out with the wiki editing and stop complaining. For a bunch of OpenSource Fans I sure hear a lot of bitching and less doing. P a r t I c I p a t e -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Derrick Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:04 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: WIKI still a POS Vinc, I agree there have been some improvements. But the main page is still really broken! I would love to see this project succeed beyond the usual Only for Geeks Linix/OS project. They way it is now the state of the documentation for a normal user is a guarantees it is doomed to be a very very small niche product at best. Every time I go to the wiki for new info it is a painful and frustrating process. Yes if I am going to reread something I already know is there its not bad, but ferreting out new information is not easy. Scott Vinc Duran wrote: You should know it's improved significantly over the last couple weeks. To me it seems the Getting Started page in particular has been much improved. (That's where I've spent most of my time.) On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. 1.) On the main page is a link for Test cases, Why is this on the main page? Its useless to 90% of the users and should be under Development. 2.) There is a Software link that leads you the Developer Guide??? WTF? 3.) There is a Hardware link and the 1973 FR links. Why? Both the 1973 Fr pages have their respective hardware links on their pages. Its a classic misdirection. It looks like Openmoko wants the Neo to fail, because if the main source for information on how to operate the phone is this WIki, its doomed. Isn't there supposed to be some new Wiki Editor force around that was going to fix things? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: no sd card and slow start times
Replying to myself here. I flashed the device with the default image and was able to get things working again. I did discover that the Please wait part was from openmoko-today seg faulting. Josh On Fri July 18 2008 4:11:49 pm Josh Thompson wrote: I cannot seem to get my sd card mounted. Before using it in my freerunner, I put it in the adapter and copied some stuff to it using my laptop. I've done an upgrade on the system today. I never tried it before upgrading. It never gets mounted anywhere under /media or /mnt. I don't see anything about it in /proc/partitions. Is there a certain kernel module that needs to be inserted? Also, starting sometime today (probably around upgrading it), I've been getting stuck on the start screen where it has the openmoko log and says Please wait... for a long time whenever it boots (long being 5 minutes). The applet icons are there and the power and aux buttons bring up their respective menus. I can shell in to it over usb. Running top shows pretty minimal usage (10-15%) with neod and pulseaudio being the top processes. Any ideas? Thanks so much to the Openmoko team for such a great device! Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
no sd card and slow start times
I cannot seem to get my sd card mounted. Before using it in my freerunner, I put it in the adapter and copied some stuff to it using my laptop. I've done an upgrade on the system today. I never tried it before upgrading. It never gets mounted anywhere under /media or /mnt. I don't see anything about it in /proc/partitions. Is there a certain kernel module that needs to be inserted? Also, starting sometime today (probably around upgrading it), I've been getting stuck on the start screen where it has the openmoko log and says Please wait... for a long time whenever it boots (long being 5 minutes). The applet icons are there and the power and aux buttons bring up their respective menus. I can shell in to it over usb. Running top shows pretty minimal usage (10-15%) with neod and pulseaudio being the top processes. Any ideas? Thanks so much to the Openmoko team for such a great device! Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation.
Has the list been created? The wiki-editors mailing list? Michael/Brenda, Is there any type of organizational plan at this point in terms of whom will be doing what, and will Brenda be coordinating the efforts I assume? I know this has all come up very quickly so it's totally understandable if there is no plan as of yet :P. Just trying to get coordination rolling. Cheers and thanks again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:24 PM To: 'Steven **'; 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Cc: 'Brenda Wang' Subject: RE: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation. The issue is the wiki grows like a weed. On one hand this is great since information just get posted. On the other hand this rhapsodic construction is difficult to navigate. So... Solutions welcomed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:29 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Brenda Wang; steve Subject: Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation. I'll tell you explicitly. Go ahead. It's a wiki! If anyone doesn't like your change, they can easily see the history and revert it. Or just clean up your change however they like. That's what makes the wiki so powerful. If they didn't want you to edit it, I'm pretty sure they could lock it down so that you can't. The fact that they haven't seems to mean they aren't worried regular users might edit it. -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by editing the main page adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/ wiki/Distributions But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the Current software stack link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ NeoSoftwareStack ?? Perhaps these 5 categories: Introduction to Openmoko Openmoko Products Join Openmoko development Openmoko community Getting started with Openmoko Wiki should be extended with the addition of Openmoko software? Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the Introduction to Openmoko to include the link to Distributions? As a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it belongs to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly if you wish me to feel free. Stroller. On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote: Brenda The main page index does not address Scotts issue. I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well. A good start would be a better search engine Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation. Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more easy to use. And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this Index page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page Brenda Scott Derrick ??: Perhaps this is what you seek? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM Wiki. Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never know it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was Software/distributions/distributions.. There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on the search engine, it sucks.. I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find things instead of thwarting you. Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: service with NorthState in NC
Just to follow up - I received a new SIM card with the same specs as my old one, and it worked fine. Josh On Thu July 17 2008 2:44:15 pm steve wrote: New SIM is your best bet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Thompson Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:22 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: service with NorthState in NC I'm sending this just in case there is someone trying to use a FreeRunner with service from NorthState Communications in North Carolina. They are a reseller of ATT service. I know they used to own the cell towers in their area. I'm not sure if they still do. I can't get my phone to register with their network. When I use 'libgsmd-tool -m shell' to try to force registration, I get the following: # r Register EVENT: Netreg searching for network EVENT: Netreg registration denied cme error: 32 Here is info on my SIM card: from ATT has the blazing 3G fireball 5 digit SKU: 71234 Manufacturer Code: G 4 digit Vendor/Version: 3022 I tried a friend's SIM card out of his blackberry with service directly from ATT, and it worked perfectly. It has the exact same specs as mine. I talked with customer service who didn't think there was much they could do. They tried doing something with the IMEI number from my FreeRunner which didn't work. They're sending me a new SIM card to try, but the tech I talked with said she didn't think that would help. If anyone has any suggestions, please pass them along! Thanks, Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
service with NorthState in NC
I'm sending this just in case there is someone trying to use a FreeRunner with service from NorthState Communications in North Carolina. They are a reseller of ATT service. I know they used to own the cell towers in their area. I'm not sure if they still do. I can't get my phone to register with their network. When I use 'libgsmd-tool -m shell' to try to force registration, I get the following: # r Register EVENT: Netreg searching for network EVENT: Netreg registration denied cme error: 32 Here is info on my SIM card: from ATT has the blazing 3G fireball 5 digit SKU: 71234 Manufacturer Code: G 4 digit Vendor/Version: 3022 I tried a friend's SIM card out of his blackberry with service directly from ATT, and it worked perfectly. It has the exact same specs as mine. I talked with customer service who didn't think there was much they could do. They tried doing something with the IMEI number from my FreeRunner which didn't work. They're sending me a new SIM card to try, but the tech I talked with said she didn't think that would help. If anyone has any suggestions, please pass them along! Thanks, Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Wiki editors
Is the wiki-editors list been created? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:44 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Wiki editors Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're pretty close to consensus here. Let's set up the list and move on. If each of the original volunteers agree I will request a list with the title wiki to be set up. Please each of you indicate your agreement (or not) on the following list: I agree. BTW, has anyone asked Brenda if she wants in on this? And have time for it? Yes; I asked Brenda privately but have not heard back (or have lost her reply in the recent torrent of email :-) M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SIM recommendation pls
I know there is a list of SIMS for use w/ the Neo GTA02 on the site... But can someone recommend a SIM that they have not had any issues with and currently use ATT or preferably T-Mobile as a carrier in the states? cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: SIM recommendation pls
Right...and is there a recommendation for any of the ones w/ out issues? 3g vs ??? etc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:13 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: SIM recommendation pls See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Josh Monson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there is a list of SIMS for use w/ the Neo GTA02 on the site... But can someone recommend a SIM that they have not had any issues with and currently use ATT or preferably T-Mobile as a carrier in the states? cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Reason for GPS problems found!
/ranton Kudos to Edward. This is an OpenSource phone, not a punched out template of a crappy OS that is locked down to the corporate owner. If you do not have the patience to handle the pros cons of an opensource device that will (hopefully) be in development for a long time (that's the point right?) then maybe this phone is not for you. Seeing how this is the FIRST time this phone-product has ever happened, listreaders are smart enough to know this would not be perfect and everything would not work flawlessly. Being impatient on fixes and demanding fixes immediately is not supportive of the OM Team, nor is it encouraging or supportive to the developer community. Be a team player, contribute, respond, and be encouraging. /rantoff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward A. Falk Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:02 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Reason for GPS problems found! I just want to get my 2¢ in: I was very annoyed to receive my FR and found out within hours that it was going to be no good for the purpose for which I bought it. Especially when, within a few hours, the problem had been identified as a hardware interference problem. I completely turned around when literally the next morning, a potential software fix had been found. Two of them, actually by my count. You do NOT get tech support like this anywhere else. Those of you pounding your virtual fists on the table and demanding a fix *right now* are out of line. The OpenMoko team is obviously working on it; give them a little time. I for one, am highly impressed with the response this has given. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Wiki editors
I was thinking moderated to keep noise down on the wiki list, so that it's clean and efficient communication between the editors so we can coordinate what we are doing. A lot of people blanket send to all lists, or send irrelevant information. The input from the community would be taken from the community list, etcbut either way I suppose we'll get the job done. There was talk about someone at OM already trying to minimize the lists, so I figured keeping the wiki-editors list to a minimum may help with that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Reese Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:56 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Wiki editors Josh Monson wrote: Thanks Michael... I agree with your vision of this list being used for coordination only amongst ourselves. This list may need to be moderated as far as membership goes, with input from the community entering via the community list as you state. I'm not sure it should be a moderated list. That goes against the point of a community effort to improve and maintain the wiki. That said, I think that the wiki@ list should only be for planning and discussion pertaining to wiki maintenance, but should always welcome input on the topic from community members. -- John Reese LeetCode.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Wiki editors
Agreed, let's get rolling :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:40 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Wiki editors i think the word minimum in this context applied to the number of lists, not the list content or the number of people on the list. if the list has a tight focus i feel very comfortable telling people to move unrelated conversations elsewhere. i'm happy to enforce this, but i prefer to keep the list unmoderated. Josh Monson wrote: I was thinking moderated to keep noise down on the wiki list, so that it's clean and efficient communication between the editors so we can coordinate what we are doing. A lot of people blanket send to all lists, or send irrelevant information. The input from the community would be taken from the community list, etcbut either way I suppose we'll get the job done. There was talk about someone at OM already trying to minimize the lists, so I figured keeping the wiki-editors list to a minimum may help with that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Reese Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:56 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Wiki editors Josh Monson wrote: Thanks Michael... I agree with your vision of this list being used for coordination only amongst ourselves. This list may need to be moderated as far as membership goes, with input from the community entering via the community list as you state. I'm not sure it should be a moderated list. That goes against the point of a community effort to improve and maintain the wiki. That said, I think that the wiki@ list should only be for planning and discussion pertaining to wiki maintenance, but should always welcome input on the topic from community members. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: New Freerunner, factory image - Registering...
A list of recommended sims would be great as I still have not purchased one :) I know there is a page on the wiki about what SIMS will work, but I can't find it now in searching for SIM. It would be nice to see a list of working SIMs vs recommended ones. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Bonett Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:00 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: New Freerunner, factory image - Registering... Ok, its definitely a problem with the SIM, looking closely I can see there's a whole row of contacts that aren't coming in contact with the phone. I'll work on it and report back. Are we compiling a database of which SIMs work, which don't and which need to be fooled with a little? Thanks for the help. -Greg Hi Greg, I had this too, when I first started it: it's also possible your sim's not precisely in the right position and place. Check that the cut off corner is on the gps antenna's side and that the metal part that's holding the sim stays flat on it's own (you have to push it in the direction of the 'Neo' letters). Sincerely, Jan. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Greg Bonett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, once booted to the factory image I get continuously a Registering... message in the top-left corner of the Home screen. After 30 minutes or so this message persists. Did you get this resolved? I'm having the same experience right now. Still doing some testing though... -Greg ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: In the press
How will this differ from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Community_Portal And why would we want multiple wiki's with the same info? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:52 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: In the press ideas for domain names: freerunner.info freeyourphone.com/.org moko.mobi -- a mobi version of the site, browsable on mobile devices like the Freerunner would be awesome, typically just a skin on whichever cms/wiki engine you choose Curtis Vaughan wrote: Since Ken really liked OpenWRT's Wiki, I looked at it and see they use MoinMoin. So, I am willing to set up MoinMoin on a server to be used as an FR community wiki. If people think it's a good idea then I will set up a website for it and register it. Perhaps something like mokofanbox.org or whatever. I don't really care. I can register it and I will make it available to whomever can administer it. Jay seems to be willing. Anyhow, if that's what will help us out then just give me the green light and I'll do that much. If it works out - Great! Curtis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: In the press
I will volunteer a few hours each week towards this. Editing, cleanup, moving content, updating content, organization, etc. I'm in. John Reese or Torfinn are you 2 also volunteering? That would make 3. Who else? We need a list of names so we can start firing this project up. I bought this phone for the specific purpose of what is happening right now with this list, and where it will take the phone :) Cheers I use trillian but here is my info, feel free to add me IF you are interested in this part of the project :) westcoastmonson :hotmail: westcoastmonson :yahoo: westcoastmonson1 :aim: 422809032:irc: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Reese Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:15 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: In the press Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well thats definitely a very nice proposal, but I would like to hold off a bit on recreating a whole new wiki .. what I had in mind was more of a blog/feed style site, not necessarily another wiki setup .. As have been said before in this thread: what we (the Openmoko community) need is a wiki editors group. Any volunteers? The wiki editors group would help each other (and other contributors) to improve the wiki, by creating information management, writing and style guidelines, guiding and teaching wiki contributors, and editing the wiki itself. Initially, the group could consist of the people most active in editing the wiki already. Further recruitment could be based on quality and quantity of contributions to the wiki. Of course the Wiki editors would have a hall of fame page on the wiki that would describe the tasks that the group do, list the names of the editors (and perhaps what period they acted in that role?) and so on Any volunteers now? Anyway, just an idea. This sounds like a good idea. I'm certainly willing to put my time in to clean things up. I've been doing some of it already when I come across things that either aren't clear or aren't linked well. If we could gather a team of four, maybe five/six, community members, and devise/discuss a plan to organize and clean up the wiki, and then get everyone in the mailing lists, IRC, etc to promote and encourage use and modifying the wiki, I think it would go a very long way. -- John Reese LeetCode.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: incorrect shipment type?
I experienced a similar situation. Ordered one day but the order did not go through for several days because they were so busy and back-ordered trying to get shipments out. I think these sold faster than they may have anticipated. Anyhow, mine is showing up tomorrow, which is only 4 days after when it should have shown up. Customer support has been on top of it as far as getting me the tracking number right away. Try and give them a little leeway with the type of product they are offering and the fact that no one else offers this.so they will obviously have some logistics issues, but under the circumstances IMHO I'm cutting them some slack :) cheers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flemming Richter Mikkelsen Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:21 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: incorrect shipment type? On 2008-07-11, Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Sorry for distracting you away from playing with FRs, but wanted to share experience our bulk order (order #2267) is going through: although we ordered it with 2nd-day air it got shipped Ground, thus instead of 2 days we have to expect it in 1 week. I am not sure if anything could be done at this point, although seller could utilize UPS delivery intercept http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/tracking/help/delivery/delivery_interce pt.html?WT.svl=SubNav and just make package go back to warehouse, meanwhile sending us our loong-awaited FRs with 2nd day air as it was requested. But humans @ FIC are overwhelmed now thus not replying to any inquiries on the phone or email. sad sad ... Don't you overreact? I think a few extra days will not kill you. I understand you want them ASAP, but it is prob. too late to change anything now. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dallas/Austin Group Purchase
Just wondering if there is any more interest in the Dallas area for a group purchase. So far there are only three people. Also, we might be able to work something out with the Austin purchase as they almost have 20. To anyone in Austin, have you ordered yet? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?
This problem happened quite a while ago on this mailing list, if I recall correctly. I remember quite a bit of discussion about it, around August 2007. The conclusion that seemed to be drawn at the time was that the list was sending out duplicates. The solution that I ended up using was getting the 'Remove Duplicate Messages (Alternate)' addon[1] for Thunderbird. I just periodically run the remove duplicates feature on my Openmoko mail directory. I don't know if the original issue was fixed (I still get duplicates from time to time) or if it has reappeared, but the problem appeared to be on the list side last time. ian douglas wrote: As I've mentioned already though, the copies I'm getting are all duplicates from the mailing list -- I got two copies of your message, but both copies were only sent to the mailing list. None of the extra copies I've received today had me personally listed as a To: or CC: recipient, and the Message-Id fields are always similar so I'm not getting BCC'd copies. I quite confident that it's an issue with the mailing list. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
REmove ME PLease
Please remove me from the list -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:58 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: community Digest, Vol 14, Issue 22 Send community mailing list submissions to community@lists.openmoko.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of community digest... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
