Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From everything I've heard a software only fix will not be enough. Unless you ditch your sd card as a data store. I haven't had any problems with TTFF since the software update was done. In fact my impression from all the emails on the subject was that the software fix was enough. I think what he means, is that even though there is enough signal strength to provide a quick(er) First Fix, (or ANY fix at all in some cases) that if you are hammering the card for map data, the noise generated by the clock/data lines may cause reception errors resulting in a less-than-accurate position fix being maintained. I would take this to mean that your current location drifts from the actual spot to places not quite where you are standing. I have yet to get enough $ together to buy a Freerunner myself, so I can't test/report on this, but hopefully I can clarify :) Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
I also vote for the 4 conductor 3.5mm jack. I am not 100% sure the pinout of my Blackberry Curve, but I know that I can plug in my sony mdr-ex71 headphones and get perfect sound (added to this an 8gig microsd means I dont have to take my largish iriver out and about unless I want radio or recording). Anything to make it easier to connect to normal headphones, and maintain the mic ability with the 4 conductor connector. Mike On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:01 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...extra removed... The battery problem is a bit odd, too - especially because technically umts takes less power - in use and even less in standby. It powers up on higher data rates what of course will take some power. So why is this? First I think it's because if the relatively bad 3G-coverage that causes a weaker signal. The other point is that GSM is a pretty old (for techies :) and more than just widely used and mature technique. Actually, the battery issue is due to one main concept, the difference between air interfaces: Time Division Duplex, or Code Division Duplex. GSM/TDMA uses timeslots, vs CDMA/UMTS using a special code to spread its constant output to a wide 1.25mhz (CDMA2000) or 5mhz (3G/UMTS)spectrum. GSM has 8 timeslots per channel. Therefore, with GSM you end up only having to power up the recieve hardware (and god knows what else, amplifiers, supporting hardware, codecs?) only 1/8 of the time. I would presume even less when in AMR half-rate, being only 1/2 of the original timeslot is used for carrying the voice payload. CDMA/UMTS and GSM all stop/limit transmitting when you aren't talking, but again, when you ARE talking, 1/8 of the time transmitting vs 1/1 of the time transmitting = a lot more power used for code-division spread spectrum style air interfaces. Standby times also are affected by this, but are IMHO more to do with the manufacturers skill at power reduction versus the transmission of (re-)registration data to the network on an occasional basis. My 2 cents. Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: y-cable in action
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to add the usbserial module too... iirc the ppp modules were already installed. Just an FYI: make sure you have the AirPrime driver installed as well, as the standard USBSerial does not have large enough data buffers for high speed (greater than 60KB/s) data. Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Question for those of you for whom I've done a GSM firmware upgrade
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian, I checked the map, and I'm in the same situation as you: 1900 and 850. But I notice the maps are not maintained by the providers. How do we know they are up to date? Michael If you need, I can get a very detailed map at street level for you, with regard to the closest towers and which bands they support. Such is a fringe benefit of working for Radioshack; ATT never changed the Cingular mapping tool login passwords for the stores :) What is your ZIP code? (For more of a closeup, give me a street intersection or address, in private if you like) Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
On Nov 11, 2007 6:50 PM, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giles Jones wrote: HTC Universal? Yes, you snipped that part. He snipped out you calling it a UTC Universal. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
On Nov 11, 2007 6:55 PM, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet some people are dissatisfied with its specifications and are discussing other phones, so I can easily conclude that your (sic) a troll. Yet by your condescending attitude you appear to be more troll-like than him. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM radio reception on neo/openmoko and some other questions
On Nov 9, 2007 6:10 AM, Mike Hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is talking about receiver chips, like those used in SonyEricsson/Nokia cellphones, to provide the phone owner with FM radio reception. Not to transmit say, music, to a radio. Or i also could have missed the final sentence in his paragraph. (Quantity vs quality of reading clouded my concentration by then) Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: i'm going to lose my neo....
On Nov 9, 2007 7:34 AM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With a device like the Neo the biggest issue with automated I'm here messages is the risk of the battery running flat 7 the thief being unable to acquire a suitable charger. Stroller. The way I see it, this isn't an issue if you have to ping the phone for it to respond. Here is my example scenario: I find out that my phone is lost. I text it with a magic gps keyword/phrase and it responds with its position. As I will most likely be using my email account to send thru the carrier's sms gateway, the phone will autoformat the reply as a google maps url for ease of clicking. I look and find that my phone is somewhere ive never been so i know its stolen and not lost in my room. At this point i send another keyword/phrase to tell it that its stolen. The phone will then automatically lock down into a mode where its still usable as a phone, so that the thief doesnt get any weird ideas of just turning it off and throwing it somewhere cos he cant use it, maybe let him call a few friends, but there will be NO access to the normal phonebook, certain apps will be disabled/no longer show up, and any attempts of texting would silently be forwarded to me along with their recipient. Keep the thief thinking he has a new toy for himself. From here I could call the police and have them talk to the thief. I'd provide them turn by turn directions. ;) Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: i'm going to lose my neo....
On Nov 9, 2007 9:38 AM, AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which will only work when the thief is friendly enough to turn the phone on with the same sim-card installed, otherwise, what number would you text to? I'm guessing most GSM thiefs are smart enough to remove the SIM first. You don't know the common street person. Atleast here in the USA where GSM is a bit of a nonstandard. I worked at Radio Shack for 4 years, and the majority of the customerbase I sold them to really had no clue about how gsm worked or what the card was for. Some enterprising people might, but thats covered by the next bit This does lead to another intresting angle, you could make the phone send it's location when the SIM card is changed. I doubt you will drain the battery very fast when you only send a location every 10 minutes or so. That should not make a huge difference on battery consumption, but be enough to retrieve it. Now this is a great idea. Have it automatically go into stolen mode if the sim changes. I honestly didn't think about that one. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: i'm going to lose my neo....
On Nov 9, 2007 1:24 PM, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this obviously can't become part of the base system; it's a bad idea for many people. I (and many others I know) legitimately switch SIMs several times a year (when travelling to Europe), and don't need to be worried about false alarms. This is based upon my habits: this would be a one-carrier phone with no reason to switch it in my day-to-day use. For me, if the card changed, I wouldnt be the one doing it. And if I were, well, i know I made my phone act this way :) This is simply my personal idea that I will make happen. Not part of the mainline code. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: i'm going to lose my neo....
On Nov 9, 2007 3:36 PM, Tomi N/A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an idea. Let's say that the phone keeps a complete history of it's movement in space and time (or spacetime, if you like). ... When you're phone is stolen - and the above behavior is made SIM-independent - you get regular tips on where your phone is and how it got there. The only thing a thief could do is sabotage/overwrite the program...or to keep moving. :) This is yet another great idea. One consideration with regard to power: I'm not entirely sure how much network traffic my 2 year old CDMA LG from Sprint uses while doing this sort of positional mapping (I use the Allsport GPS program while I bikeride actually, works rather nicely and gives gmaps as output) but assuming only 1 network ping to get ephemeris data, the phone dies after about 6 hours. I've estimated its position fixing to be about once every 2-3 seconds. To be considered, however, is that while in a java applet my phone never turns off the display; it only dims. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
On Nov 8, 2007 12:29 AM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, ok, the NEO does NOT support 850/1900 MHz band, this is an issue, FIC is informed of that and i think that they are evaluating the ONLY 850 is turned off. 1900 works fine. Coverage may be sproadic or nonexistent still, but facts are useful :) Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
On 11/6/07, AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 November 2007 17:06, hank williams wrote: Yeah, I am pretty amazed at this one. Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think through what frequencies were needed. Frankly, i'm not that suprised, 850 really is a US thing. You are missing out on lot of phones because of the different frequency and the amount of control the operators have over phones. I am rather surprised actually at your rebuttal saying its a US thing. Yes, our country is backwards with telecom laws, backwards with telecom monopolies, and backwards because they never innovate. We've -always- been 3 years behind Japan, about 1.5-2 behind europe, when the japanese networks are CDMA/3g-UMTS. Sadly the japanese have locked their handsets down to all get out, the frequencies dont match up, and we are deprived of wonderful handsets. I literally go to www.au.kddi.com and cry. While this is sadly a fact of the American mobile market it is not the cause for the Neo to be missing 850. When a phone comes out saying that its chipset is quad band, never 100% verifies this ability, and then apparently some oversight caused this to not be fully enabled, thats a major issue. I am extremely sad that this has happened, as now I will probably have to wait for the third total design revision to buy now. While Denver (where I reside) has great 850 and 1900 coverage, if I am unable to travel with my phone to certain areas where its 850 only, I will be at a loss. (My personal plea to FIC: go CDMA 1xEVDO-rev0/revA if at all possible for an american handset variation; And I am almost certain somewhere a chipset exists that could support both America and Japanese frequencies, as there are dual-mode phones available from AU. I hear Sprint is starting to activate non-sprint handsets as part of a settlement in California; they've taken said settlement for Cali and made it policy nationwide. This would allow the phone to be activated even without being 'sanctioned' by the network with their money-making phone customizations and such. ) This would be wonderful for data coverage too, and you would get the benefit of having an unlimited highspeed dataplan to kill with all the linuxy goodness that will be the Neo/whatever follows the Neo. I already plan to buy a small, battery powered portable EVDO dongle to WIFi adapter whenever an 850-able phone is released. I'd hide that in my backpack and have highspeed data on my neo on the go. :) Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
On 11/6/07, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, I don't know much about the hardware in question, but is it just a firmware issue, or does the hardware have to physically change to move between the 900 or the 850 frequency? From what people are saying its firmware, hardware, and FCC recertification. Basically at this stage in the game, its either a rather costly change, or an oversight that can only be corrected in the next major design revision of the Neo. GTA03 I would presume, although read this thread and the wiki for details. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
On 11/6/07, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: === === On Tuesday 06 November 2007 11:46:11 am Mike Hodson wrote: I literally go to www.au.kddi.com and cry. Really? Literally? :p I *have* shed tears looking at the amazing gorgeous super-huge-lcd flips that are as thin as a matchbook and almost as light. I cried when SonyEricsson decided to pull out of american CDMA; their Japan CDMA walkman slider was at the time (2 years ago) the perfect phone for me. It still beats, in sheer functionality, any of the new phones I've seen come from american carriers. I wish I could remember the AU model # but I bet there are even better examples now. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
On 11/5/07, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think then the question is (for us slightly less technically adept): How do we find out what support we have in our area? I have previously worked for a reseller of Cingular/ATT(used to work at radioshack for 4 years. joy!) and the stores login to their mapping system hasnt changed, I am able to provide as detailed of a map regarding 850 vs 1900 coverage as anyone could want. General rule of thumb: if your market had BOTH cingular AND att, you probably have at least one segment of the local network as 850. This can cause degraded performance if it works at all. If it only had 1 or the other, its a tossup and I can look it up. Mind you, 850 vs 1900 even in the same cities do not cover the same. Also im willing to field questions regarding cell networks in general if anyone needs clarifications. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
On 11/6/07, Mike Hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/5/07, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think then the question is (for us slightly less technically adept): How do we find out what support we have in our area? I have previously worked for a reseller of Cingular/ATT(used to work Also, if you are wanting to use it with TMobile, the 1900 should work, as soon as the firmware 3g sim issue can be fixed. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
On 9/18/07, Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the difference of openmoko and neo? Thought neo is the phone and openmoko the project running it. So a GTK gui would work even with QTopia phone? Ok then there is a development interest for GTK... OpenMoko is an open-source GTK based software platform for open phones. The Neo1973 is an open phone, related to OpenMoko as it was the original reference platform. They are related, but not one thing. This is the difference. Trolltech have now done what should be done with open hardawre: they made their Qtopia software platform for open phones available for / usable on the Neo1973. With open platforms, comes freedom of choice. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: Myth Busting FTW
And what appears to be a final reply from Dan. -- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel Eran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Aug 31, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Myth Busting FTW To: Mike Hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mike, I have a dim view of providers overall. I also realize the US mobile system is really bad, and have written before detailing the history of how things got the way they are, as well as what problems I see specifically. I'm not trying to run down T-mobile, only pointing out that the arguments that the iPhone is tied to ATT in some bizarre and evil way are overblown. Tmobile doesn't really offer much in the US, although I'm sure things are slightly different in various regions , such as Vermont, which has no ATT service. I also made comments about the GSM/CDMA2000 split in the US, which really restricts any provider you want freedom. In other markets that are predominantly GSM (such as the EU) or CMDA2000 (such as Japan), there is more reason to demand vendor neutrality. I would prefer ATT to gain strength in the US so that GSM became an overall standard. The move to UMTS was supposed to unite both 2.5G systems under one new 3G one, but now Verizon is building out old EDVO and Sprint is building out WiMax. So a real open market for service is unlikely to happen soon in the US. Dan - ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: List mail not being delivered
On 7/11/07, Marco Barreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't received any email from these mailing lists since around 10:00 CEST on July 10. The web archives, however, show several messages since that time. Could there be a problem with the list server? I checked my list subscriptions, which seem to all be correct (mail enabled, digest off, etc.). I also tried signing up two other email accounts I have at a different domains, to see if it was a problem with my ISP, but the subscription confirmation emails never arrived. Is anyone getting list mail delivered? Is there a known problem with the list server? (Please send replies directly to me in addition to the mailing lists, for obvious reasons!) Thanks, Marco Heres what i'm seeing: Gmail says I have new mail as of 4:35pm MDT today, August 20. This was your message. Even though on your message it appears you sent it back in JULY. What the?! Along the same lines, I have been, as far as my last post a few days ago (and to my knowledge), getting email and replies in what I thought was a timely fashion..Perhaps not.. Id have to go back and check. Any other gmail users seing this? Im rather curious to know what is going on here! :) Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 8/20/07, Richard Boehme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm is there any way to use the t-Mobile at home service when in WiFi range if I don't care about disconnecting when I go out of WiFi range? The Asterix route seems very complex. Thanks. Richard At this point its hard to say, however I would be willing to bet against it. My understanding of reading about the UMA standard, is that the UMA box your carrier lets you connect to your broadband connection effectively becomes a GSM base station, except that it uses tcp/ip networking to reach your carrier rather than private networks. It talks to the network as if it were simply another cell site that you are going in/out of. Therefore, the signaling involved would somehow need to take this into account. This could prove to be either very hard, or if something else is needed, perhaps a coordinated GSM/UMA response, it may be impossible with the exact hardware that was chosen. I'm also not certain that tmobile would allow you to subscribe to the service without having one of their preapproved phones. In the coming months, this among many other questions is sure to be answered definitively. Regards, Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Test
On 8/19/07, Daniel Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just another test, did not receive anything since Saturday... Hi; I think the list is somehow backlogged... Today i got messages that are entirely new to my gmail account, but were dated between July 10 and August 10. I think the 'duplicate messages' issue that gmail et al have been having, which Harald mentioned was because spamassain was crashing, has caused an enormous backlog of messages stuck in some queue somewhere. This is my half-educated half-speculative guess. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: T-Mobile, MyFav and OpenMoko
On 8/22/07, feydreva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Do you know if MyFav, from T-mobile will work with OpenMoko ?? I am not sure because if you check the phone list on Tmobile web site, not all of them can handle it. What is the hardware/software needed to have MyFav working ? This should still work, but you will require a plan that comes originally with a my faves phone to actually set up those numbers. The phone you buy (or get free as part of a contract) has special software inside that allows you to edit these 'faves' but i am under the impression that as soon as you switch your simcard from your tmobile branded phone to your Moko, the numbers you have listed will continue to be free. Please someone correct me if im wrong; I still haven't ported my number from Sprint yet :) Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 8/16/07, Richard Boehme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how we can get the GTA02 onto this program? It seems like we would be a natural fit, as GTA02 has Wi-Fi. Can any one just contact T-Mobile about it and apply for developer status and say that we want to be a part of the Hotsopt at Home program? This service requires a UMA/GAN capable phone; I do not believe the TI chipset used by the Neo has this ability. I know more people are probably going to jump on the wifi calling bit, but UMA is decidedly a network-provided service. Whereas wifi calling can be made anywhere with wifi using any SIP provider (of course, the unknown quality of service anywhere not withstanding), actually handing over from GSM to UMA isnt going to happen unless the GSM modem and device software both support it / your operator enables the feature on your account. The alternatives (hosted asterisk providers and the like, doing PBX stuff for you) are out there, but none directly interacting with your cell number. My plan: on my hosted virtual private server (a Xen instance on an 8-core opteron somewhere) I will be setting up asterisk for myself, integrating into it a menu that prompts for voicemail, ring me cos its an emergency, or whatnot, and then based on time of day / call blast lists, it will try and find me. This I plan to use before I get my moko. There should be some way while I'm talking to hit say, #, and get a menu to 'transfer to home/ transfer to #' at which point i could hit that, and hang up my cell; my landline will be ringing soon with the call. With the moko, I am not sure what would be better; either using a SIP client on the moko to link with my 1 asterisk server, or a second asterisk instance on the moko itself, linking with the main asterisk server, and also being used for GSM calls. (I believe this is doable at some point, linking an onboard asterisk process with the gsm audio/signaling, stop me if im wrong!) Heres a few good reads: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/06/27/t-mobile-goes-national-with-hotspot-home-wifi-calling/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_Access_Network I have yet to read much on Asterisk; that will be a weekend project here soon :) Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: mailing list management
Look I'll vote for not changing the subject line; headers are wonderful for sorting. However, when I wish to reply -to the list-, I get a choice of either -to the sender- or -to the list, sender AND anyone else the bloody sender sent it to- instead of simply replying -to the list-. While the wonderful doc that everyone links to regarding why -not- to munge the reply-to header, they fail to consider the normal way things work: people discuss list stuff on the bloody list, not off the list, not to the author only(reply sender), and not to everyone else the author thought to send a message to (reply-to-all functionality). Based on this, a -list- is different than a normal message; the -list- is a discussion group and responses should be filtered into that group. For the argument that the person replying will lose the proper path back to the sender, or mistake sending a personal message to a list, simply read from and manually type that into the to field. If a person is not using a valid From address, yet IS using a valid Reply-to, then this person is rather strange. Until my mail client gives me a reply to list ONLY command, I vote for changing reply-to to BE THE LIST. To the person who said Learn to use gmail well thats nice, when the only way I can -reply to the list- is to manually delete whatever the hell it decides to shove into the reply headers, and manually type in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why not reply to all? Because im rather sure I don't want to reply to the author twice (as he apparently is on the list) and I don't want to reply to anyone else the author sent the mail to. There appears to be no other way to use this client than simply 1 or all, not simply 'list'. My $0.02 Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible answer to SOME of the ATT gsm problems
Hmm.. This thread is rather troubling for those who are testing in markets where GSM850 is the only spectrum ATT owns. This, by itself, is less of a burden due to most markets being dual-band, however, god only knows how that will affect coverage during peak times when 1900 is totally booked for timeslots. On 8/6/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's odd. Other quad-band phones are sold publicly in the US by high-profile sellers. See for example http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo680/specs.html This is not exactly what the previous person was meaning when he said (and i paraphrase how i think you interpreted it) 'selling a quad band phone is illegal.' The frequency band itself is not, ATT uses it quite a lot. Other approved devices using quad-band are not illegal, but simply selling a device that has not yet been 'approved' by the FCC, that uses said band, IS illegal. Engineering samples that the phone companies use to test are not exactly under this, as they are not 'buying' as a consumer. The open development/debugging of Moko means that developers must 'buy' devices, and this causes all sorts of fun to happen. As has been stated before, even though the radio itself that the phone is based upon is FCC tested, approved, and is quad-band, that does not mean the FCC will approve every single device, on every single band, that is made with this radio; the whole rig (phone/antennas) has to be tested for FCC compliance... Perhaps this phase of testing is still waiting approvals for 850mhz, i am unsure. All is speculation with regard to the 1900-onlyness, short of the 'fcc approval on the entire device' bit.. This has held up phones before from being released to consumers by american carriers, for phones they have tested themselves to no end before handing to the FCC. Using the phone as quad-band should not violate any laws; selling it to consumers as quad-band without being approved as such, would. I imagine that any multi-band phone will listen on all its frequencies before it tries to register, and will therefore only transmit on frequencies that are in service in that area. I too imagine that is the way it works; unless there is something set in the firmware of said multi-band modem to prevent 850 so as not to be fined by the FCC or somesuch. That said, I wonder why they (FIC and/or the FCC) didn't put the lower frequencies (850/900MHz) in the approval? We can only speculate, until someone actually tells us... I speculate that its in the process, but has not been finalized yet. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSM Sidetone?
Hi there, I was just browsing the wiki and saw a bug with the current GTA01Bv3 regarding the over-loudness of the GSM module's sidetone generation. I for one am curious if there will be ability to turn this completely and utterly off, as on every phone i've owned that has one (numerous nokia phones for example), it causes me to shove my finger over the mouthpiece whenever im in a loud room, as I cannot distinguish what the other end is saying, and this causes them to ask if I'm still there. Its quite bothersome. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Moko
On 3/16/07, Mary Stovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though not a developer, I have been following this list for some time with much interest. I am excited to see that wi-fi is being discuss again as a possibility in a future Neo. I know this phone is in my future. I am the same way, Ive wanted a properly working phone since I first got a cellphone, some 5 years ago now. Properly, in as much as the fully featured hardware being able to utilize new software rather than carriers hindering and forcing removal of hardware/software features. P.S. wonder if there is a way to use the neo to locate lost dogs...like hang a mini Neo to its collar or be able to locate via an internal chip. Dog owners would love that. Cat owners too.;-))) This technology has been quite popular for years now, in Japan. However, I dont think that until recently they used GPS signals, but rather the microcell architecture of the PHS phone system. Effectively you could expect an antenna box about as often as you see a phone box sticking in the ground/on a pole over here, so the tracking resolution is rather good without having to rely on triangulation. if you can get within 1 block of your dog, you can usually call to him :) Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
On 3/1/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get mplayer, and compile. This is playable with only the software codecs, no windows dlls are involved at all. (or at least it worked with them moved out of the usual place) As to why I picked it - I don't know offhand the switches to make mencoder output ogg. I don't even own a windows box. As far as I can tell, there is no inbuilt ogm multiplexing or ogg audio encoding for mencoder yet, and even then, the format of choice IMHO would be an mkv container, mpeg4 video (either mencoder/ffmpeg's lavc or xvid) and ogg audio. I'll be one happy man when I can do that with 1 mencoder command, and not a script to encode audio separately and multiplex a video segment with an audio segment. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Headset - Voice Commands
On 2/28/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason that I ask is that on my PocketPC phone (iMate PDA2K), there is supposedly a hardware limitation that will not allow for this to occur. It can have the bluetooth headset button initiate the program, but it cannot use the bluetooth headset to transfer the audio to the program. It has to use the built-in microphone for routing audio to the voice command software. I don't remember specifics, but I think it was because the bluetooth module tied to the gsm module in hardware or something along those lines. All of that to ask, is the bluetooth implementation on this device going to have that same limitation? I was looking through the wiki and noticed the bluetooth is connected to the USB Host Controller...so I am hopeful it won't suffer the same limitation. I'm going out on a limb here and hypothesizing again, however it may shed some light: My understanding of how the OpenMoko software stack works, is that it will be using some a software audio routing interface, either direct ALSA or gstreamer (tied into ALSA as the audio access method). The audio can go between the mic/speaker thru the wolfson codec, or you can switch it to the bluetooth device. By being connected to the USB bus, this works exactly like every current Linux computer with bluetooth: as of now, the BlueZ stack can do SCO / headset, and they are working daily on properly working A2DP (advanced audio) stereo codec support both as alsa modules. It would then be my guess, that all the OpenMoko software would have to do, is change the alsa input/output by responding handsfree button or avrcp commands (for stereo headsets). Furthermore, it is definitely plausible that the bluetooth controller in your pocketpc is somehow intertwined with the GSM chipset. If this chip has no provision of routing audio into the software, and only considers bluetooth a voice service, then it would talk directly to the wireless interface and its GSM chip. The windows mobile/ppc software can't grab it. Please keep in mind, this is speculation, however knowing how my linuxbox works with bluetooth audio is the background for my educated guess :) The pocketpc routing is probable, but again speculation. If I'm wrong, please let me know :) Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: hi-res Neo1973 pictures
ARGH i keep forgetting gmails idiocy. On 2/18/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/2/18, Jason Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not exactly high-resolution, but they may work for you: Thank you, Jason! I saw all these pictures. I'm afraid that only last one is gonna work in newspaper (although it would be small). They require pictures with 300dpi resolution and if you scale 75dpi picture (as all here) to 300dpi you get very little ones. I'd better have some bigger pictures - the bigger they are the more people is going to read article about OpenMoko. Would it be feasable, to re-scale the images up to 300dpi? sure, this will create slightly blurred/blocky photos, but I think you would get enough quality for it to work? Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: R: Camera and MMS
On 2/16/07, Andreas Kaeser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course not. But you missed my point. I'm looking for a way to use the NEO It's a car manufacturer's development plant. You perhaps have missed the point so far: there IS NO CAMERA as of yet.. And, if you have been reading other forum posts, there are -5- more devices coming on the horizon with the OpenMoko core operating environment, which may or may not have cameras. I think your situation has been carefully planned for: the people making these phones are under the EXACT same conditions with regards to non-disclosure of their multi-touch screen, and the TI GSM module. Perhaps not as much as photos of the equipment, but believe me, they know how restrictive rules can be when intellectual property / trade secrets are involved. Just to set the record straight, as it seems there is quite a lot of misinformation and/or ignorance about the details. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko articles
On 2/16/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 17:35 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's more like it. I didn't like the the tone of the other review much (engadget?). It would probably make for good publicity if we would monitor the comments posted in response to all those articles, so that we can correct and provide information as needed. That would be really great. We just can't seem to scale enough to do it ourselves, so any help from you guys would be awesome! -Sean I was about to post to gizmodo a few hours ago, thanks for reminding me :) Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko articles
On 2/16/07, Mike Hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was about to post to gizmodo a few hours ago, thanks for reminding me :) Or not...considering I didn't realize their comment system was open to invitee's only. Bleh. closed comment pool = not worth my time reading any more. All hail openness...from phones to comments! Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko articles
Bloody gmail and their lack of 'reply to bloody list' Apoligies Michael, on the personal reply and now this repeat. On 2/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look for it on Digg - I think digg points to the gizmodo article, and anyone can join digg and post comments. That I shall! Thanks for the heads up. Forgive my error. I think the troubling post was on engadget. At any rate, I think my comments are still valid in general, and we may see more posts like this that would be good to respond to. Perhaps the original Engadget report was a bit negative, however, the judging by the attitudes of gizmodo 'invited commenters' they seem to have their heads turned around in a painful position, one which I will leave you to guess. The actual gizmodo article was good. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Petty Bickering :( Please stop!
Will you all just please stop the petty bickering amongst yourselves, and concentrate on the WONDERFULNESS that is openmoko I don't care about what email client one may use, or the difficulties by some people with regards to threading. I for one apologize for sending a few emails previously that were cc'd to the list ,rather than simply to the list, but I don't think this should be the cause of a rift between excited techie people who really want a kickass totally customizable open mobile phone. Please, will you all just stop the fighting, and get on with better things: TALK ABOUT THE PHONE AND ITS SOFTWARE! Thanks, from a a computer geek and wireless nut, Mike. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5G NOT EDGE
On 1/16/07, Craig St Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Just wondering, does that mean its EVDO? Or something else? I have Cingular, which supports I believe only EDGE (2G and 2.5G?) and 3G. Could someone please expand on the 2.5G NOT EDGE line? Thanks! This will work fine on Cingular; Cingular's EDGE data network is an extension to the long-used GPRS standard. exact same format, but a different type of radio encoding used to gain speed. 100% backwards compatible. However, this handset does not make use of the enhanced EDGE capabilities, instead providing legacy GPRS data over GSM networks such as Cingular. It is definitively not EVDO, which is a CDMA-2000 family technology; whereas the current Neo1973 is GSM centric to provide the most widespread acceptance and usability. EVDO/CDMA2000 has a very small footprint in comparison to the GSM worldwide foodprint. Their stance is: get this device to the masses so they can create better apps for it, then newer revisions will have faster data protocols, wifi, and the like. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
