Re: Gta04 on wikipedia

[Niels Heyvaert]

Also added Android-on-Freerunner in the process.

Niels


On 01/31/2016 01:07 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein  wrote:
>> Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring
>> that page up to date?
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones
> Better this way?
>
> Christ van Willegen
Much better!
 
 
 
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OpenMoko mentioned on Networkworld

[Niels Heyvaert]

Hi all,

Via Linuxtoday.com I found a slideshow trying to present the recent history of 
Linux for mobile devices.

http://www.linuxtoday.com/upload/linux-for-mobile-a-visual-history-130724062005.html

Take a peek at slide 6 of the slides and you'll notice a picture of the Neo1973 
and some text about the project.

http://www.networkworld.com/slideshow/112000/linux-for-mobile-a-visual-history.html#slide6

The slides mix up the Neo1973 and Freerunner. In addition, Openphoenux is 
totally omitted.

Feel free to give comments on networkworld.com and/or linuxtoday.com. As such, 
we can get some additional visibility.

Kind regards,

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FOSDEM 2012 - Presentation online

[Niels Heyvaert]

To all,

Due to traffic jams on my way to Brussels I did not make it on time for our to 
FOSDEM presentation. The snow had something to do with it. But we shared the 
slide deck for review with all contributors, so people of Golden Delicious also 
had a golden copy ;-)

Someone from Nikolaus' team took over, so the presentation went ahead as 
planned.

Thanks Nikolaus.

The slides are also available online for download on the AoF project page. 

http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/

Feel free to distribute further.

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GTA04 publicity

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Next to the post on Linuxfordevices, we now also have an entry in the newsfeeds 
of Tuxmobil.org.

Check it out and spread the word.

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FOSDEM 2012: Ready... set... GO!

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Dear all, 

We've been working on the FOSDEM presentation with the people from Golden 
Delicious, QtMoko, SHR and Debian. The AoF part is also in, of 
course. 

The final review is done and we're all set to go. 

Our talk has moved from a lightning talk to a 30min presentation in the Open 
Mobile Devroom (building AW) starting at 12h00 till 12h30. 

See the schedule 
here: http://www.fosdem.org/2012/schedule/track/open_mobile_linux_devroom 

I'll be passing by the Golden Delicious stand before and after the talk. 

Hope to see you all in the Devroom and at the Golden Delicious stand before or 
after the talk. 

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Fosdem 2012: Openmoko Freerunner Lightning talk accepted

[Niels Heyvaert]

Dear all,

We have submitted a request to the FOSDEM team to have a lightning talk about 
the Openmoko Freerunner.
I'm happy to announce the talk has been accepted and is currently part of the 
FOSDEM Lightning Talk schedule.

http://www.fosdem.org/2012/news/accepted-lightningtalks

It means we get a stage to show the status of the distros and give the GTA04 
the attention it deserves.

I'm working with Radek (QtMoko), Timo (Debian), Martin (SHR), Nikolaus (GTA04) 
as main contacts to prepare some input (key messages, status, roadmap, 
differentiator). The Android section will also be included.
Keep your agenda open for Saturday 04/02 and meet us at FOSDEM. Let us show to 
the fellow FOSS fans that the open phone is alive and has a future through the 
GTA04.
Nikolaus,
It's time to get your marketing material ready ;-)
Kind regards,
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Re: Status GTA04 GroupTour

[Niels Heyvaert]

+1 on Rui's, Google+ and reposted:
https://plus.google.com/114836911973677582368#114836911973677582368/posts
 
and retweeted Rui's tweet
 
http://twitter.com/#!/nls_hvrt
 
Keep it going!


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From: r...@1407.org
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:59:33 +
Subject: Re: Status GTA04 GroupTour

I just posted about it in my blog and Google+ page, now forwarding it
to identi.ca (which forwards it to twitter).
 
http://blog.1407.org/2012/01/01/gta04-free-software-smartphone-group-buy/
 
https://plus.google.com/111476378907603803049/posts/5vbJyoeDSLu
 
http://identi.ca/notice/87924177
 
http://twitter.com/#!/RuiSeabra/status/153475257783689216
 
I think we should make more publicity about this in places where more
people may reach these lists here are preaching to the choir, some
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Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

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Why is AoF is not even mentioned in the distro list is a mystery to me.

Believe we should pollute this list more often with pure AoF related topics to 
keep reminding people it also exists ;-)

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Article: What happened to real open source phones?

[Niels Heyvaert]

Hi all,
 
To those of you who didn't see summary flying by on Linuxtoday.com, there is 
recent article published about the Openmoko:
 
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/mowi/article.php/3931296/What-Happened-to-Real-Open-Source-Phones.htm
 
I'm sure that after reading the article, you'll have the urge to react.
 
At least I know I did ;-)
 
Regards,
 
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Re: Another so suitable for freeruner?

[Niels Heyvaert]

But if you wanna port Android onto the new OpenMoko.
I'm sure GNUtoo will be pleased to do this too, as soon
as he got a new OpenMoko.

Guys,

For those of you interested in running/building/improving Android on the 
Freerunner, check out http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/. Cupcake 
is stable and working on the Freerunner. We've recently received some patches 
which should have resolved issues with sound via Bluetooth (thanks to Zhang 
Yi). Froyo is still under construction. Ran and Jim are working on some patches 
to improve the Froyo branch. Cupcake and Froyo are now available in SD only or 
NAND installations (thanks to Christian and Ran).

The project mailinglist can be found here: 
http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner.

It would be great to see what co-operation is possible with other initiatives 
also targetting Android on the Freerunner. Feel free to post your ideas on the 
AoF list to discuss with the AoF community.

Kind regards,
 
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Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?

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This looks like a pretty comprehensive how-to.

 

Anyone documenting this on the Wiki?

 

Xavier?

 

Niels.


 
 From: Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 4:10 PM
 Basically, you need
 
 a computer with :
 - a working X server (mainly Xorg)
 - a working ssh client with -X option (mainly
 openssh-client)
 (Note for working X server on cygwin : be sure to launch
 xterm, not the
 basic tty)
 
 a Freerunner with :
 - a working X client (the app you want to launch, tangogps
 for example)
 - a working ssh server with X11Forwarding yes in its
 config (for
 openssh-server it's in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, be sure to
 restart ssh
 server after any modification to this file)
 
 
 Then give us any error you can see while doing your ssh
 -X.
 
 On the freerunner, and after a ssh -X, $DISPLAY should NOT
 be :
 localhost:0
 because it's the X server of the freerunner, but it should
 be something
 like :
 localhost:10.0
 which is where ssh server listen to transmit your display
 data to ssh
 client.
 
 
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:27:37 +0200
Subject: Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?

To continue :
 
if you want to do it 'old school' without ssh -X doing the job for you,
you need to authorize your X server to accept distant X clients
 
To authorize X server of here to display application running on
faraway, you need to do (here$ is the prompt) :
here$  xhost +faraway
 
Then you need to log yourself on faraway (ssh without -X nor -Y, rsh,
telnet, xterm on freerunner...) and launch your application with a good
$DISPLAY
faraway$  DISPLAY=here:0 my_application
 
If it does not work :
- either faraway doesn't allow the X client to go out (firewall ?)
- or here has its X server running with -nolisten tcp and therefore
refuses any connection
 
If you have -nolisten tcp (check with ps), you can remove it but it
depends on how you launch your X server :
- if you use startx, check your /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc (or ~/.xserverrc)
- if you use gdm, launch gdmconfig and check security options)
- if you use kdm or xdm, I don't know :S
 
 
 
 
 
 
If you want to control the freerunner desktop from your PC, you could
use vnc.
On the freerunner you start x11vnc :
faraway$   x11vnc
but NOT from a ssh -X, you don't want any redirection here.
 
On your pc you start your vnc client :
here$vncviewer faraway:0
 
 
 
Xavier.
PS : use ip addresses instead of names like here and faraway
 
 
 


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To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:28:54 +0200
Subject: Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?

I forgot an important thing : network must work of course (first thing
to check)  ;)
 
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RE: Two queries about Android installation

[Niels Heyvaert]

 I'm interested in taking a look at Android...

 You can find detailed info on the subject here:
 http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/

 Of course I already looked there. The questions that I asked here are
 the ones remaining after I had read that information. If you think my
 questions are answered on that site, can you please point out the
 specific location?


If you want to talk to the AoF community you can always try the mailinglist:

http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner
  
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RE: [QtMoko] Bug 1024

[Niels Heyvaert]

Aslo see:

 

http://qtmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#How_about_power_save_of_Calypso.2C_the_GSM_modem_-_bug_.231024


Niels.
 
 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:19:26 +0200
 From: yann.sla...@free.fr
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Re: [QtMoko] Bug 1024
 
 As said before, by modifying parameter 'Active' from' never' to 'always' 
 and then reboot the phone
 
 Yann
  Yann SLADEKyann.sla...@free.fr writes:
  
  With QtMoko, I cannot go up to 20h, after modifying
  /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf
  
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RE: Looking to pick up a FreeRunner

[Niels Heyvaert]

 Anyway, I had a disappointing and frustrating experience with my FR too
 until I discovered QtMoko because all of the distros I tried before
 QtMoko (Om 2008.x, Om 2009, SHR (misnomer++;)) were unusable.

 swoody: If you get an FR, please try QtMoko first. That way, if you
 decide to try other distros later, you can at least compare them to
 something usable (QtMoko).

Since it wasn't mentioned as an alternative, you could also try Anroird on 
Freerunner 0.2 RC1.

No distro war, just another option you could try and see if it works out for 
you.

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RE: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)

[Niels Heyvaert]

 I am afraid it is still draining the battery. I can use my FR for about
 8~10 hours with Android - current featured release.
 It seams like the Dialer will do this, if left unclosed. I'm not sure.
 It seems you're doing something ugly wrong.
 I'm using it with SHR and its working just fine.
 Runtime: More then a day. If you have it in proper suspend,
 while not using it.

The user is not doing anything wrong, Google is.
 
This is because of how Android handles closing applications. When you close an 
app, it disappears from your desktop, but the application keeps running. This 
eventually results in running out of memory and wake-up interupts from suspend 
while in fact you don't have any app open (at least, that's what you think).
 
This is broken by design. Blame Google.
 
The community has developed tools to list all your running apps with the option 
to kill them individually. So there are ways to work around this.
 
Niels.
 
 
 
  
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RE: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?

[Niels Heyvaert]

 I can recomend you android. I was looking for reliable phone, I tried
 everything, and my last try - android is total winner. Give it a
 try.

 Can you confirm what freerunner and android versions please


There is an Android build for the Freerunner (GTA02), not for the Neo 1973 
(GTA01).
 
There is a stable release candidate (v0.2 RC1) based on Android Cupcake and 
there is a build of Android the master branch, which is more experimental.
 
More info can be found on http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/
 
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RE: Comparing A5 and A7 sound settings

[Niels Heyvaert]

 And it's all fine and dandy if it wasn't so damn easy to casually change
 the mic volume into some unusable mode. One setting works a lot better
 (at least for me) and I only need to check it after upgrades!

 Rui

 Hi Rui,

 Can you put your sound settings on the Wiki too? Just so that others can see 
 if it works out OK for them.

 Only saw this now, I was in vacations. Will do.

 Rui

Cool.

Thanks.

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RE: My audio settings

[Niels Heyvaert]

 Hi Neil,

 Sorry to hijack the thread, but could you post your tweaked soundconfig on 
 the Wiki?

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Empirical_Data_for_Mic_Settings

 This could help others to find more useable settings for their phone.

 Thanks,

 Niels.

 Hi Niels,

 If you mean me, yes, I'm planning to do this this evening. (Sorry for
 the delay!)

 They're there now.

Hi Neil,
 
Great! Already noticed your update last night. Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.
 
Brian, I read you're also using tweaked sound settings on your FR. Could you 
also share your version, please?
 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Empirical_Data_for_Mic_Settings

Thanks.
 
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RE: Serious problems after failed upgrade

[Niels Heyvaert]

 I hope you get the issue resolved I have an A5 without the buzzfix and
 so far I haven't had any buzzfix related issues. Just some minor tweaks
 to the mic volume have sorted out the noise issues on SHR for me.


Hi Neil,
 
Sorry to hijack the thread, but could you post your tweaked soundconfig on the 
Wiki?
 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Empirical_Data_for_Mic_Settings
 
This could help others to find more useable settings for their phone.
 
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RE: Comparing A5 and A7 sound settings

[Niels Heyvaert]

 And it's all fine and dandy if it wasn't so damn easy to casually change
 the mic volume into some unusable mode. One setting works a lot better
 (at least for me) and I only need to check it after upgrades!

 Rui

Hi Rui,

Can you put your sound settings on the Wiki too? Just so that others can see if 
it works out OK for them.

Thanks.

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RE: Comparing A5 and A7 sound settings

[Niels Heyvaert]

 To give some more non-theoretical vibe to this thread, I started a new
 empirical mic data table at
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Empirical_Data_for_Mic_Settings
 - it's probable it will not be that helpful in searching any one
 true defaults, but it might be helpful to have known good
 experiences documented on a wiki, in a form of a table.
 
Finally some pragmatic approach for helping out others. To all who have a 
working / useful soundconfig, please put your values in. For the sake of 
helping out others.
 
Let's take advantage of this.
 
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RE: Comparing A5 and A7 sound settings

[Niels Heyvaert]

 Just my two cents. I think at this point distributions' defaults
 should be towards A7 users, since all new users are anyway A7 users
 and A5/A6 owners by now are surely aware of the ALSA setting
 problematics.

 Hi,

 If it really depends on the Ax model I think they should be somehow
 distinguished by /proc/cpuinfo so if different ALSA settings are needed,
 they should be selected automatically based on that.

It would be a big help. Totally agree.
  
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RE: wakeup-on-wlan works!

[Niels Heyvaert]

 niubee_007 writes:
 Happy to know you succeed on WOL. will have a try on debian.
 just to confirm you are using '0' instead of '1' in below script?
 # set the magic parameter mentioned in
 http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/305
 sudo sh -c 'echo 0 /sys/module/s3cmci/parameters/persist'

 Sorry, this should be

 sudo sh -c 'echo 1 /sys/module/s3cmci/parameters/persist'

 I was just verifying that this parameter indeed was the key factor in
 making wow work so I temporarily also disabled it.

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RE: problems getting android to run

[Niels Heyvaert]

 Any hints / suggestions?

Hi yoyo,

You could consider posting your AoF related questions on the AoF mailing list:

http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner

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Enlightenment Returns To Bring Ubuntu To ARM

[Niels Heyvaert]

Available on /. today:

http://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/showl=ennews_id=20
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RE: Alternatives to FR

[Niels Heyvaert]

 Lowell Higley

 writes:

 So I would say that no, the device drivers will not be open

 source. I would say the developer community would be provided with

 binary kernel modules.



 I guess that would be very likely to be considered a GPL violation

 then.



 I guess I should read the mailing lists more often. Food for thought, not 
 even android is GPL. Since this thread, I have found their SDK license. I'm 
 not a lawyer so it is thoroughly confusing to me. Some things seem to be open 
 source and others are not. If I read their license right, their Plazma OS 
 (which is linux based) is not open source... which to me IS a GPL violation. 
 Again.. not a lawyer. I'm thinking of sending the license on to an 
 acquaintance at the FSF and getting his read. If anyone is interested, I'll 
 update here. If not, I won't.


I think we're all interested, to some extend. Keep us posted, I would say.
  
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RE: Community action required: Wikipage with FOSDEM 2010 activities and attendants

[Niels Heyvaert]

 Will you do #1024 bug fixing @ FOSDEM? How much would you charge for
 it?

 Unfortunately no. We do not do it ourselves but by a professional
 company that is specialized in SMD soldering and rework. So we are not
 able to carry equipment + staff to Brussels. I.e. we can only offer
 the remote solution which needs shipment and time.

 Nikolaus


 BTW, same question for other companies who will show up :)

 
From previous posts I understood Tuxbrain.com will be present with David 
Samblas and Victor Remolina.
 
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-October/057070.html
 
Can anyone from Tuxbrain confirm? I'm also hoping to get my phone fixed...
 
Thanks,
 
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RE: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner

[Niels Heyvaert]

 It may be some kind of race condition in the SHR software, that
 gets trigged much more often with the faster kernel.

 We found this race condition in Debian, too - even before using a
 faster kernel by lowering the framework's log_level.


So it appears the symptoms have been tracked: 
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2327 (also see post by Timo).
  
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RE: elm_browser initial release

[Niels Heyvaert]

 Feedback / feature requests are welcome.

First of all: good stuff! Keep it up.

If it's not already the case, it would be interesting to be able to modify the 
useragent identifying the browser engine and version. Probably from a config 
file. This helps a lot if you want to browse websites which are optimised for 
certain browsers on mobile devices.

And as a general suggestion: keep it as simple and lightweight as possible.


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RE: [Android] Android Cupcake V22 installer-image

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daniel.l.sta...@gmail.comDate: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:15:38 -0500To: 
community@lists.openmoko.orgSubject: Re: [Android] Android Cupcake V22 
installer-imageHowever, it seems that the LEDs don't turn off when they 
should...is anyone else experiencing this?You could consider asking your 
question to the Android on Freerunner community at 
http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunnerNiels. 

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RE: QtMoko v16

[Niels Heyvaert]

 Le 21/12/2009 15:50, Francisco Moreno a écrit :
 thanks, the multiplexing is useful

 What for ? (I don't know what it is exactly...) Thanks.

Francisco,

Multiplexing allows you to use GPRS (for data) and GSM (for voice and SMS) at 
the same time.

So you can receive or make calls while browsing the internet with GPRS.

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RE: [Shr-User] Contacts phones with dashes

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 What about when there is nothing separating the numbers in the contact, so 
 instead of n (nnn) nnn- I have it stored as nnn but yet the call 
 button doesn't work (replace n with some numbers)


A reboot typically helps. I'm seeing this behaviour every few days. Maybe 
stopping and/or restarting some daemon could do the trick, but never tried it.
 
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RE: Some questions about android on Freerunner

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 Indeed=2C the admins of the AoF google code page are not blocking anyone =
from visiting the site=2C using the Wiki and downloading the software. Trus=
t me =3B-)



 _
 How do you know ?

 code.google.com veiwing is forbidden for iranians =2Cand android codes is
 available in that address =2C Is That mean google also does not want
 iranians use android ?

All I was saying was that the people doing the maintenance on the AoF pages=
 are not blocking anyone. If someone is blocking you it's someone else: Goo=
gle=2C some government=2C gremlins=2C ...

As suggested=2C maybe using Tor can be of help to you?
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RE: Some questions about android on Freerunner

[Niels Heyvaert]

 no, the page you can't access only contains software ...
 to use android on freerunner, you only need content from that page : Index of 
 /android

Hi Dehqan,

If this reply did not help you, try to post your question on the project 
mailing list:

http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner

In case you have issues posting to the list, just let me know and I'll try to 
help you where I can.

Niels.



 Access to this page is forbidden from server to iranians .
 To installing and using android on Freerunner do we need that address content 
 ?



 but android.com is open for us .
 by and large can we use android legally ?

  
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RE: Strange behaviour of elementary entry and illume keyboard. Did anybody noticed it?

[Niels Heyvaert]

I logged it in the SHR bug tracker two months back:

http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/601

The ticket got closed with following comments:

I also stumbled upon this issue, it's an upstream issue, someone should
really open a ticket in the e17 trac, I'll try looking into it more
throughly.

I haven't logged any bug in the e17 trac.

Niels.

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 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 From: van...@penguin.cz
 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:43:36 +0100
 Subject: Re: Strange behaviour of elementary entry and illume keyboard. Did 
 anybody noticed it?

Oh yes, I got VERY annoyed from that f*cking inconsistent backspace
behaviour! Sorry, this had to be written. Its so annoying when editing
text after having typed a few sentences, although I couldn't make out
any rule behind that.

Am Mittwoch, den 28.10.2009, 19:15 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
 Hi!

 Have anybody noticed, when you type some text in a elementary entry,
 then you click on any other element (a button for example) and you
 click again on the entry.

 Now the cursor is still at the end of the text. But when you send
 some chars using illume
 keyword it inserts the chars *before the last char*.


 has this been reported in E track?

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RE: FOSDEM2010

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 Well I have full fill the form for ask for a devroom for the
 Openmoko-community on 2009-11-29 we will know if we were approved or
 rejected

I already contacted the organisation quite a while ago to check if they were 
interested.
Looking at their reply, which I received just recently, I would assume they'll 
be happy to welcome the Freerunner stuff.

Niels.

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Hi Niels,

Sorry for the late reply but you know what they say: Better late than never!

 Would it be an option for you guys to include a speaker and/or a devroom time 
 window for the Openmoko Freerunner?

Sure we are open to all suggestions. If you know of someone closely involved 
with the development of this phone (hard or software) be sure to point them to 
the call for papers on our website http://fosdem.org/2010.

As the matter of fact the Android platform will get a significant spot for the 
2010 edition have a look at the site .

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RE: Desktop based on openbox and idesk

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Herr Huber=2C
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K=F6nnen Sie auf English antworten=2C bitte?
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Vielleicht sind anderen auch interessiert.
=20
Vielen Dank=2C
=20
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 Date: Thu=2C 22 Oct 2009 13:17:42 +0200
 From: matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Re: Desktop based on openbox and idesk









 Thomas Zimmermann schrieb:



 Send me all information for the recipe=2C or better a recipe and the need=
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 patch.





 Here we go=2C



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 werd's korrigieren und auf neuere Versionen schauen.



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RE: [Android] SSH Access...

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 2009/10/19=2C Iain B. Findleton :
 Just installed Android=2C SSH does not come up by default. What is the
 secret sauce?

 Try adb http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_debug_bridge

=A0
Try the mailing list=A0 http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunne=
r and the Wiki http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner. The Android =
on Freerunner community could help you out.
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RE: SHR status

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 I'm using SHR Unstable as a daily phone. Has quirks=2C but IMHO SHR Testi=
ng should

 become what SHR Unstable is right now before the next sync.


 What date is your SHR-u from? I'm using one from August with some updates=
 and I miss phone calls from time to time. Is there a new one that seems to=
 have reliable telephony?




 I would advice to go to the latest unstable from 6 of September!


I would advice to stay away from the September release and stick to the Aug=
ust one. It's a mess. For example:
=20
- FR is ringing=2C but no screen to pick up
- Answering second incomming call is still borked=2C despite some work on i=
t
- Incomming call during shutdown results in infinite loop of vibrating batt=
ery and playing sound
- Random crashes of phone log application
- Phone refusing to suspend and keeps waking up after only a few seconds
=20
I've been rebooting and removing the battery to get the phone back to its s=
ences almost every day now. This did not happen with the August release.
=20
My experience with the August release was a lot more stable.=20
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RE: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)

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 Did you notice that if we are strict=2C the mailing list has exactly as
 much to do with Wikireader as with Freerunner..
 community@lists.openmoko.org

 - to me it sound's like the mailing list is for community discussion
 of Openmoko procudts. I think it includes Wikireader.


Yes it's a openmoko community list so both products can be discussed. Stric=
tly speaking you're 100% correct. However=2C it would make a lot more sense=
 to have separate lists for the FR and the WikiReader.
=20
- Not everybody interested in the FR is also interested in the Wikireader a=
nd vice versa.
- Given the traffic we already have on the list=2C adding another topic cou=
ld render the list useless.
=20
My suggestion would be to set up a separate list (either for FR or Wikiread=
er or both). This would help the community and the user adoption of both de=
vices.
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RE: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)

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d3e504410910150410m778ce7awbc076bd00f2cf...@mail.gmail.com 

snt127-w6376fb807e52afee356c80b2...@phx.gbl
 

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 I do agree that not everyone are interested in both products=2C but
 given the traffic we have=2C now that om2009 is not existing 
 discussed=2C SHR is discussed on other mailing lists so it's mostly
 qt/QT/Qt/similar discussion=2C=20
=20
Perhaps the QtMoko guys want to start their dedicated mailing just like the=
 other are doing?
=20
 But however=2C it's Openmoko Inc who makes the decisions.

True.
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They could make this more elegant=2C though. Or I can create a SPAM rule :-=
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RE: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)

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d3e504410910150410m778ce7awbc076bd00f2cf...@mail.gmail.com 

snt127-w6376fb807e52afee356c80b2...@phx.gbl

d3e504410910150601n2779351w954ebc0a42acc...@mail.gmail.com 

1255620003.18333.51.ca...@opal
 

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 How about first waiting to see the specs  hear how hackable it is etc
 to guesstimate how much community will there be around it and use this
 to guess if it makes sense to start a new list?

You mean=2C let's wait until it becomes a problem and than we'll think abou=
t how to control the situation and pray to God some FR people will still be=
 on the list after the dust has settled?

You personally might think it is not a problem while others don't want to b=
e bothered with it and already see it as a problem.=20

I still go for the pragmatic approach: two completely separate gizmos =3D t=
wo different user groups =3D two different lists

You can always subscribe to multiple lists if you want.


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RE: Dedicated IRC channel #android-on-freerunner (on Freenode)

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 Those of you who want to chat and talk about getting Android on the Freer=
unner can connect to #android-on-freerunner (on the Freenode server).

 Those of you who think this name is too long can also use #and2moko.

 The long name is just an alias.



 What's the difference between that and #freerunner-android=2C on the same
 servers?

The channel you're referring to is moderated by Koolu and none of us knows =
how long it will remain available. Koolu has gone completely mute on anythi=
ng to do with the Freerunner.
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The channel #android-on-freerunner is not depending on Koolu.   
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Dedicated IRC channel #android-on-freerunner (on Freenode)

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Hi all, 
 
Those of you who want to chat and talk about getting Android on the Freerunner 
can connect to #android-on-freerunner (on the Freenode server). 

Those of you who think this name is too long can also use #and2moko. 

The long name is just an alias.

Niels.
 
Google Code site:  http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ 
Git repository:http://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner 
New mailing list:  http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner
IRC Chat:  irc://irc.freenode.net/android-on-freerunner

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Announcement: Cupcake release 0.1.1 for Freerunner

[Niels Heyvaert]

Hi all,

Things are moving ahead.

The community has released v0.1.1 of the Android Cupcake for Freerunner fixing 
the suspend during a call issue.

Check out Jim Ancona's announcement:

 This is a bug fix release containing the fix for Issue 3: Suspend during a 
 call (http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=3).
It may be downloaded from the site at 
http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/

Thanks to Michael Trimarchi for the fix!

Feel free to give it a try.

Niels.

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Git repository: http://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner
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RE: Announcement: Cupcake release 0.1.1 for Freerunner

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 Don't forget to append the next Community Updates page.

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-09-30

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RE: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner

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 Hi Neils,

 It's unfortunate that Koolu has gone unresponsive. I know maddog was at one 
 point reading this list - if he still is, perhaps he can comment on the 
 status of things.

A question was raised on the Koolu forum asking for the plans with Android on 
the Freerunner. An email was sent to Brian, Jon and Marcelo to find out more. 
The same message was also posted to the mailing list hosted by Koolu. Nobody 
from Koolu's side responded. Makes it pretty obvious that it is not their 
priority to keep things going...
 
 The google code wiki is kinda sparse (understandable since it's so new), and 
 the android sections on the openmoko wiki seem to be quite out of date.

You're right and we already started organising ourselves to improve things.
 

 Is there a summary somewhere around what works and what doesn't, and how 
 close it is to being usable as an 'every day' phone?


That is actually a good idea to put this on the Wiki. I've seen other distros 
doing the same. Will take this up in our discussions about the Wiki pages.
 
Thanks for your input! Feel free to contribute more or join the discussion 
group ;-)
 
In any case, we'll keep you and everybody posted on news and updates.
 
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RE: Qi - why only 3 partitions on SD card?

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 Torfinn Ingolfsen  writes:
 Qi _will_ need to be improved until it is usable for end users, or
 it will fade away

 I really can't understand the desire to multi-boot. And btw the recent
 poll proved that most users use Qi IIRC. A clear evidence it's already
 usable for them.

Perhaps because the Openmoko Wiki urges people to switch to Qi, with fact based 
argumentation, is one of the main reasons why so many people use it.

Some of us are challenged by getting Qi to do what it is advertised to do. 
Technically, Qi allows multiboot, but it proves hard to invoke the behavior.

The idea of having a simple GUI boot loader could be very useful...

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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Niels Heyvaert]

 there are many web seriveces, that offer a special compressed layout for
 mobile devices (gmx for example).
 I think they do this by reading some HTTP header fields like browser-Id or
 similair.

 Does anyone have experience with that? Or suggestions which browser to use
 (I currently use midori, but even midori's UI does not fit into the FR
 screen).

I believe this topic has been discussed in the recent past. Perhaps the answer 
to your question is already in the mailarchive (see 
http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3506259).

Try opening up Midori, go to Edit Preferences Network Identify as Custom

And put in:

Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like 
Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A543a Safari/419.3

This should help.

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new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner

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Hi there,
 
As some of you might know, it appears that Koolu is no longer working on 
migrating Android to Freerunner. The community has tried to contact the Koolu 
people to get some sense of direction (including Jon Mad Dog Hall), but no 
response.
 
Because of the lack of direction, it was difficult to assess the risk of Koolu 
pulling the plug and thereby loosing the code (including community patches), 
mailinglist etc. The community therefore decided to start hosting the code and 
mailinglist. This was announced yesterday, September 20th.
 
On top of this, the community immediately released their first release of 
Android Cupcake! Version 0.1 of Android Cupcake for the Freerunner is now 
available for download. For those of you who've already tried Android, it is a 
well functioning (and pollished!) distro for your Freerunner.
 
Let's hope the project can keep and gain some momentum. If you wan to try and 
be part if it, everything is at your disposal.
 
I'll also try to put this in the community updates.
 
All details are in Jim Ancona's mail.
 
Niels.

 
Message by Jim Ancona:
 
--
I'm glad to announce a new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner!
 
It's basically a merge of the Koolu code with Michael Trimarchi's enhancements 
and a few bug fixes and cosmetic things I've added. You can download it at our 
new Google Code site: 
http://android-on-freerunner.googlecode.com/files/android-on-freerunner-cupcake-0.1.zip
 
Installation instructions are the same as for the recent Koolu betas:
- Unpack the files on to a FAT formatted SD card.
- Insert card into the Freerunner, and boot from NOR menu (hold AUX key, then 
power)
- Choose Boot from SD Card (FAT and ext2)
The automated install process should begin.
 
It installs the Qi bootloader, reboots, the kernel, reboots, then installs the 
system image.
 
*NOTE:*
This install process overwrites *everything* on the NAND inthe phone, including 
the bootloader. If this is not what you would like to do, please don't install 
this release!
 
We'd love to have an SDcard installer, if someone would like to contribute it. 
The Google Code site includes a bug tracker. We've got a couple bugs added 
already. Please add any others you find. The code for the release is hosted at 
Gitorious, because Google Code doesn't support Git. The consensus of the 
discussions here seemed to be that we should have our own mailing list, so I've 
also created one at Google Groups. The URL to join it is below
 
I'd really like this to become a real community project, so please help by 
contributing what you can. Not money, but bug reports (or even better, bug 
reports with patches), other code, or documentation. We have a wiki at the 
Google Code site. Anyone who would like to create content for it, please 
contact me and I'll add you to the project. I hope we can create a vibrant 
community around Android on Freerunner, and that you can help!
 
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New mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner
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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

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 The Gmail layout always limits itself to about 2/3 of the window's width
 instead of using the whole screen. Is there anything I could do about it
 except filing a bug for midori? Or is midori innocent and google does
 some evil hacks there to look nice on that damn iPhone (that has a
 smaller resolution - less width on screen)?
 Last.FM mobile adapts perfectly fine by the way.

Have you tried going to m.gmail.com instead of the mail.google.com url?
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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

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 Have you tried going to m.gmail.com instead of the mail.google.com url?

 That URL doesn't work with a german IP since someone runs a snail mail
 service somewhere here that's called Gmail, so they mustn't use the
 name.


Sounds like a Germany specific problem...

Does Google offer another local alternative URL with a deviating domain name to 
access the Google Gmail on mobile devices?
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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Niels Heyvaert]

 I believe this topic has been discussed in the recent past. Perhaps the 
 answer to your question is already in the mailarchive (see 
 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3506259).

 Try opening up Midori, go to Edit Preferences Network Identify as Custom

 And put in:

 Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like 
 Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A543a Safari/419.3

You could also try pretending to be a generic Android phone instead of an 
iPhone using following agents:
 
Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.0; en-us; generic) AppleWebKit/525.10+ (KHTML, 
like Gecko) Version/3.0.4 Mobile Safari/523.12.2
 
or

Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.5; en-us; generic) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, 
like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1
 
Maybe one of these two do the trick for you.
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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Niels Heyvaert]

 You could also try pretending to be a generic Android phone instead of an 
 iPhone using following agents:

 Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.0; en-us; generic) AppleWebKit/525.10+ 
 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.4 Mobile Safari/523.12.2

 or

 Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.5; en-us; generic) AppleWebKit/528.5+ 
 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1

 Maybe one of these two do the trick for you.

 I already do that and it works, get the mobile interface. My problem is
 another as I stated already:
 The Gmail (mobile!) layout always limits itself to about 2/3 of the
 window's width instead of using the whole screen. Is there anything I
 could do about it except filing a bug for midori? Or is midori innocent
 and google does some evil hacks there to look nice on that damn iPhone

I'm sorry if I didn't explain myself when sending the other user agents:

The reason for suggesting the other two UserAgent strings is because while 
playing around with Android I've used gmail, facebook, hotmail etc. on the 
device and never noticed any problem with the screen resolution. So instead of 
pretending to be an iPhone, as you said, perhaps it could help pretending to be 
an Android phone?

But since you tried this already, you can see the problem persists even when 
mimicking both Android user agents?

In that case I would tend to believe it is a shortcoming in the Midori browser. 
Or at least the Midori maintainers could shed some light on what is happening.
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RE: Phonelog: missed call NULL name and number

[Niels Heyvaert]

 - Why is the number/name equal to NULL?

 NULL means hidden number.

 Kind of expected that one :-)

 A programmer can understand this, obviously, but from an end user
 perspective it is not very meaningful. Could we replace NULL by
 something
 self explanatory like [Hidden number] or [No caller ID] or [Private
 number]...?

 So long as it's done by the app at runtime. The daemon shouldn't storing
 things in a language-specific way.


 Indeed, totally agree. Any application owner reading this who's willing to
 apply the suggested change?

 It's already possible, just edit your ~/.phonelog/phonelog.conf

Thanks, just changed my phonelog.conf and it now shows up with the alternative 
text. Good stuff.
 
Could we perhaps change the default phonelog.conf to another more meaninful 
value? Just for ease of use. And maybe, in addition, add a line or two on the 
Wiki?
 
What do you think?
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RE: Qi - how do I make it boot from another partition on the SD card?

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 No hint on how to make Qi boot from other partitions on the SD card?

Could this be of help to you?
 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi
 
But no guarantee you'll find an answer there.
 
I, for one, still haven't found a way to make Qi boot from SD, let alone to 
make it skip partitions. Despite the fact all of this are standard features, 
according to the wiki.
 
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RE: Phonelog: missed call NULL name and number

[Niels Heyvaert]

 - Why is the number/name equal to NULL?
 - Why didn't the phone do anything (ringing/vibrating, missed call
 notification) when apparently somebody tried to call?


 NULL means hidden number.

Kind of expected that one :-)
 
A programmer can understand this, obviously, but from an end user perspective 
it is not very meaningful. Could we replace NULL by something self 
explanatory like [Hidden number] or [No caller ID] or [Private number]...?

 BTW, phonelog seems quite buggy as to received/dialed/missed call 
 registration.

 Since sometimes some of these show up with a day or so of delay, could it be
 an opimd bug or a phonelog bug?

It's a bug alright (missed call but no notification), but don't which component 
is responsible.
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RE: Phonelog: missed call NULL name and number

[Niels Heyvaert]

 - Why is the number/name equal to NULL?

 NULL means hidden number.

 Kind of expected that one :-)

 A programmer can understand this, obviously, but from an end user
 perspective it is not very meaningful. Could we replace NULL by something
 self explanatory like [Hidden number] or [No caller ID] or [Private
 number]...?

 So long as it's done by the app at runtime. The daemon shouldn't storing
 things in a language-specific way.


Indeed, totally agree. Any application owner reading this who's willing to 
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RE: Freerunner in real world

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 BTW: Next gen freerunner should use OLPC style screen. Low power
 digital ink screen would be perfect for daytime phone use.

 Thats perfectly true. I've got one OLPC and the screen is really amazing.
 Unfortunately, the lady who did the screen development, Mary Lou Jepsen,
 has left the OLPC project as far as I know.
 Too bad that good things seem to die too early...

 I really was considering screwing the OLPC on my bike, using the FR as
 GPS. Both open software, using USB or WiFi, could make fun.

And what about an ambient light detector like the upcoming Nokia N9000? It 
would be great to have on the next FR.
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Phonelog: missed call NULL name and number

[Niels Heyvaert]

Yesterday evening my FR woke up from suspend without doing anything else (no 
notification message, incoming call or SMS). I just watched the screen to see 
what was happening. After some idle time the it went back to suspend.
 
This morning I noticed an entry in the phone log for missed calls with the same 
time and date from this wakeup event. The name and number are showing NULL.
 
Two questions:
 
- Why is the number/name equal to NULL? 
- Why didn't the phone do anything (ringing/vibrating, missed call 
notification) when apparently somebody tried to call?
 
Thanks,
 
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RE: old shr images

[Niels Heyvaert]

 Hi folks !

 Is there any place where I can find old shr images (like 2.6.24 kernel)
 ? I have searched on http://build.shr-project.com and
 http://shr.bearstech.com but I didn't find anything.


Have you checked http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ ?
 
You should find quite a few older images at that location.
 
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RE: For all ya BFS (brain fuck scheduler) lovers out there

[Niels Heyvaert]

Cool!
 
Would this setting be changed permanently when following your instructions 
below? If not, how can we make it permanent (ie. applied even after reboot)?
 
Thanks,
 
Niels.


 Read all the details at [1] and to try it on your devices, simply do:

 mkdir /debug
 mount -t debugfs none /debug
 echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /debug/sched_features

 It will magically solve all the problems but i hope it can improve
 experience at least somewhat.

 [1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=125260838709566w=3
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[SHR-U] - Refusing to suspend

[Niels Heyvaert]

Hi,
 
For some reason the phone started refusing to suspend (vanilla SHR-U 
08/08/2009). I tried a few times with the same result. The messages of 
suspending is displayed but then the enlightenment windows disappear and the 
phone just continues working in active mode. It did not have any issue with 
this before and nothing was changed to the settings. I did notice that the 
battery was running low... It's the only thing I can think of which is 
different from the other successful suspends.
 
After a restart the phone suspends again. 
 
Before rebooting, I could see the following in dmesg:
 
Suspending console(s) (use no_console_suspend to debug)
pm_op(): platform_pm_suspend+0x0/0x64 returns -16
PM: Device neo1973-pm-gsm.o failed to suspend: error -16
PM: Some devices failed to suspend
Restarting tasks ... done.

Any ideas?

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RE: [SHR] Setting regional codes

[Niels Heyvaert]

 + should be an alias to 00 if at the beggining of a number. This usage of +
 is so common and international that it would be IMHO dumb to intentionally
 ignore it.

 Not only that, but I intentionally store all my numbers in the +
 (usually +31...) format, since not every country has 00 as its
 international prefix!

 If you look at http://www.kropla.com/dialcode.htm, there is a whole
 list of IDD codes, and there are lots of 'em that aren't 00...

 I'm looking forward to having full number recognition, since I now
 regularly have to 'mentally lookup' a number when it's calling me...

 Christ van Willegen
 --

Adding my observations to the mix:
 
I haven't changed any of the phone settings and store all my phone numbers in 
the international format (with '+' sign). In the config file the default 
country code is set to 49, which is different from my actual country code.
 
Incomming calls and messages map very nice to the contact names.
 
I haven't received any international calls or text messages since I've started 
using SHR-U, but will keep an eye on it.
 
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RE: Interesting Linux development for lower resources machines from Con Kolivas

[Niels Heyvaert]

 http://lwn.net/Articles/350100/

 Con Kolivas, who worked on desktop interactivity issues in the past before
 storming off in 2007, has posted a new scheduler called BFS. It was
 designed to be forward looking only, make the most of lower spec machines,
 and not scale to massive hardware. ie it is a desktop orientated scheduler,
 with extremely low latencies for excellent interactivity by design rather
 than 'calculated', with rigid fairness, nice priority distribution and
 extreme scalability within normal load levels.

 http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-faq.txt


Reading the FAQ text and reactions on LWN it appears to me that the author has 
no intention whatsoever to merge this into the mainline kernel tree...
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RE: Interesting Linux development for lower resources machines from Con Kolivas

[Niels Heyvaert]

Reading the FAQ text and reactions on LWN it appears to me that the author
has no intention whatsoever to merge this into the mainline kernel tree...

 BEcause his precedent work was not merged for years?
 I would not expect to be merged either ...

 I dont think he would opposed the merge.


Hmm... In fact it's worse.

He tried to get it merged but that did not work out (for a number of reasons, 
so it seems). But now he gave up the ambition and writes his code in such a way 
it will never get merged anyway.
 
His own FAQ is very explicit about this:
 

Why BFS?
 
Because it's designed in such a way that mainline would never be interested in 
adopting it, which is how I like it.
 
...
 
Are you looking at getting this into mainline?
LOL.
 
No really, are you?
LOL.
 
Really really, are you?
No. 
 
...

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RE: [ALL] POLL: What distro do you use?

[Niels Heyvaert]

 Better idea?

 yes: don't harass people

 if they want to take part in the community, they'll join the list, see
 the email and maybe answer the survey. if they aren't subscribed to
 the list, it's probably cos they don't want to be an active member of
 the community

Mind you, this list is not the only list to do with the Freerunner. I took the 
liberty to post a message on another forum (http://forum.koolu.org/) and 
mailinglist (android-freerun...@android.koolu.org) announcing the poll.
 
I've subscribed to the other list and visit the forum on a daily basis. Was not 
trying to influence the results towards Android, but just wanted to inform 
other parts of the FR community.
 
Maybe there are other lists or forums where we could announce the poll?
 
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RE: [SHR-U] Almost there....

[Niels Heyvaert]

 pbondo wrote:

 4. The ring tone audio on incoming call is delayed several seconds. I.e.
 the vibrator starts several seconds before the ring tone. Also the ring
 tone will only stop several seconds after pressing accept call.


 This one has oddly been reversed since 2009-8-12. Now the ring tone stops
 correctly, but the vibrator rings too long (on average 1-2 ring after I
 accept the call) and the calling party can hear it :-)

I've noticed the same. Would it make sense, if not already implemented that 
way, when accept or reject is pressed, the first actions are to stop ringing 
and vibrating before doing anything else underneath?


 pbondo wrote:

 7. Phone log will open in multiple instances. If I receive multiple
 missed calls, I will have several phonelogs open. If I look in the wrong
 one, it will only report one missed call. If one instance is open while
 receiving a new phone call it will not be updated.


 I have learned to live with this.

I have had several occasions where the multiple phone log opened up multiple 
instances. In most cases, each instance can be stopped and the FR continuous 
working. However, in some cases the FR totally freaks out and only a reboot can 
help out.
 
I think it is possible to detect the same application is already running (has 
been discussed in the list before). Solving this bug would definitely improve 
stability and user experience.

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RE: [SHR-U] Almost there....

[Niels Heyvaert]

 I've noticed the same. Would it make sense, if not already implemented that
 way, when accept or reject is pressed, the first actions are to stop
 ringing and vibrating before doing anything else underneath?

 Or directly a silence button.

 I think this is a must for a great user experience.


Good point, totally agree. Adding a silence button would be great.
 
But still, the ringing and vibrating should stop as soon as reject/accept (and 
silence) is pressed...
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RE: [all] Don't answer a call by turning FR upside down..

[Niels Heyvaert]

 Shouldn't be very hard but it'd be extremely cool. Integration to a
 distro (SHR maybe :) might be a bit more of a hack (adding GUI to
 enable/disable this feature etc) though..

 
Yes, it does sound like a cool feature, as long as it is turned off by default 
:-).
 
Question is, is this the right time to add these type of features?
 
Keeping in mind the limited resources we have, wouldn't it be better to 
concentrate on fixing all the current issues and bugs (see trac, there are 
many), improving speed and stability, getting a decent testing version for SHR, 
work on some proper documentation etc.
 
Adding a nice to have feature would only complicate things further, causing 
more energy of the community going to waste.
 
I guess it's all a matter of priorities...

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RE: SHR clock reset

[Niels Heyvaert]

 I don't understand what you mean. Care to elaborate? The phone had always
 automagically set the time correctly (from gsm I suppose). Recently it
 doesn't do that anymore.


 Freerunner (as almost all other phones) has small battery inside to
 keep clock running even without that big battery. It could just went
 flat so it can't keep clock. I had the same with my Nokia 6230i.

 No, setting time from GSM doesn't work yet AFAIK. Time can be set from
 NTP or GPS.


Can't we get the time from the cell antenna (cfr. the location discussed in 
earlier posts) using AT commands?
 
AT+CTZU for Automatic Time Zone Update
AT+CTZR for Time Zone Reporting
AT+CSTF for Settings time format
 
Not sure CSTF exists for Calypso since I did not find it in the available codes 
(http://www.mail-archive.com/commit...@lists.openmoko.org/msg01114.html), but 
could we use the other two commands to help us out?
 
Just thinking out loud.
 
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RE: Freerunner wireless internet

[Niels Heyvaert]

 has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If so, 
 which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?) routers?


I've been connecting to my Linksys (WRT54GX v2, WPA AES) on the FreeRunner 
running Koolu Android Beta 7 and OM2009.
 
With SHR-U and Mokonnect (my current setup) it does not work.
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RE: Freerunner wireless internet

[Niels Heyvaert]

 has anyone ever accessed the internet via wifi from the Freerunner? If
 so, which distro was it? Does it work only with some particular (few?)
 routers?

 I've been connecting to my Linksys (WRT54GX v2, WPA AES) on the
 FreeRunner running Koolu Android Beta 7 and OM2009.

 With SHR-U and Mokonnect (my current setup) it does not work.

 SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me either. I get DHCP timeout
 and I have tried multiple AP's.
 SHR-U + Mokoconnect does not work for me, but I haven`t upgraded and only have
 the 20090808 flash. Maybe it works better in latest SHR-U?

 Ben, Niels? are you using the latest SHR-U?

I'm currently using vanilla SHR-U dated 08/08/2009
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RE: Freerunner wireless internet

[Niels Heyvaert]

 try different wifi manager... try nwa please, nicola is doing hard work and 
 for me is nicely working.
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NWA
 d

I would if I could, but since I can't ssh into my FR (off topic), which is 
running from NAND since it can not read my SD Card (off topic), it's impossible 
for me to change anything which can not be done via the GUI.
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RE: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

[Niels Heyvaert]

Hi Rask,
 
Perhaps you can also point Jeremy to this easy, one-click search of all months 
archives for the Openmoko lists...
 
Where would one find that?

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 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:51:30 +0200
 From: ccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Re: [all / linux] neo as gps unit?

 On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 08:17:49AM -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
 morning all. i was just sitting here on my debian laptop, poking
 around with tango gps. now my laptop does not have any sort of gps so
 i get the no gps found deal at the bottom. that got me thinking, has
 anyone setup there freerunner to act as a gps device for there
 laptops?

 Yes! This very questions was asked and answered not even a week ago.
 You're supposed to search the archives before asking, you know.
 https://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-August/053218.html

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Qi installed properly?

[Niels Heyvaert]

Hi,
 
I downloaded the latest testing Qi version (not the unstable or experimental 
one) from
 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr3b8513d8b3d9615ebda605de4bda18371aa3f359.udfu
 
and afterwards flashed the Neo FR using
 
dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D 
qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr3b8513d8b3d9615ebda605de4bda18371aa3f359.udfu
 
Which ends with status 0, no error conditions - Done!
 
Sounds great.
 
Holding the AUX button and powering up the FR, the NOR boot menu tells me I'm 
using
 
U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 (May 9 2008 - 10:28:48)
 
Is this correct? Shouldn't this say it's Qi?
 
The reason I'm asking is that whenever I boot the FR (using either simple power 
up, or choosing boot from the NOR menu) the FR is booting from NAND instead 
of booting from the ext2 SD Card.
 
The boot sequence of the Qi is first to look for the SD partition for a 
bootable uImage before turning to NAND.
 
So is my FR still using with u-boot?
 
Thanks,
 
Niels.

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RE: Qi installed properly?

[Niels Heyvaert]

OK, fair enough.

So this means when I boot by just pressing the power button I should be booting 
with Qi. But whenever pressing the AUX button and boot from the NOR menu I'm 
booting with u-boot... Is that correct?

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 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:14:00 +0200
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 From: openm...@ginguppin.de
 Subject: Re: Qi installed properly?

 Holding the AUX button and powering up the FR, the NOR boot menu tells
 me I'm using
 U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 (May 9 2008 - 10:28:48)
 Is this correct? Shouldn't this say it's Qi?

 no.
 qi should be in nand now -- you can't flash nor with dfu-util.

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RE: Qi installed properly?

[Niels Heyvaert]

 So this means when I boot by just pressing the power button I should be
 booting with Qi. But whenever pressing the AUX button and boot from the
 NOR menu I'm booting with u-boot... Is that correct?

 basically yes (iirc you can frinst press aux when booting qi to skip a
 partition).
 nor is your fallback, in case you corrupt nand beyond booting.

OK since we've now established this, I come to my next point:

I've created one large ext2 partition and untarred 
http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.tar.gz 
to it.

I've created the partition using using fdisk (primary partition and flagged as 
bootable) and mkfs.ext2.

After inserting the card in my FR, he still boots from NAND instead of the SD 
card. Understanding the Qi bootsequence the FR is first trying to boot from the 
SD card. But for some reason it is not or it is failing and skips to the NAND 
part.

Could this be a permission issue on the SD card (ie not able to mount or read 
files)?

I had to use sudo all the time when using fdisk or mkfs, including when 
untarring. To try to avoid permission issues I've done chmod -R 777 * on the SD 
card root before inserting into the FR. But this does not change the behaviour.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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RE: Qi installed properly?

[Niels Heyvaert]

 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:14:32 +0200
 From: fabian.schoel...@googlemail.com
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Re: Qi installed properly?

 Is the Freerunner vibrating, before it boots from nand? This is the
 case if a kernel is unbootable or skipped.

Yes it does vibrate once before actually booting from NAND. I always assumed 
this was a part of the hardware system check at power up.

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RE: Qi installed properly?

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 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:16:49 +0200
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 From: openm...@ginguppin.de
 Subject: Re: Qi installed properly?

 I've created the partition using using fdisk (primary partition and
 flagged as bootable) and mkfs.ext2.

 meaning the only partition on that sd card?

Yes, only 1 partition covering the entire SD Card.


 After inserting the card in my FR, he still boots from NAND instead of
 the SD card. Understanding the Qi bootsequence the FR is first trying to
 boot from the SD card. But for some reason it is not or it is failing
 and skips to the NAND part.

 there are some feedbacks (flashing led and vibration iirc), signifying the
 result of the checked partition (boot or skip).
 when booted from flash, can you access the sd card? maybe it is not
 detected properly?

Will try this tomorrow and keep you informed.

 Could this be a permission issue on the SD card (ie not able to mount or
 read files)?

 no idea. but i don't think so.
 btw: with
 sudo su -
 you can get a root shell in ubuntu which removes the need to prepend
 everything with sudo and would have saved you from chmod.

 - i am not quite sure how much information qi would print at all, but
 maybe you should increase the loglevel?
 - if available you should compare the md5sum of the archive or download it
 again with another tool (wget) and compare both.
 - you could in /boot remove the link
 uImage-GTA02.bin
 and instead _copy_
 uImage-2.6.29-rc3
 (yes, i know, symlinks are supported according to the wiki).

Will try this tomorrow and keep you informed.

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RE: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner

[Niels Heyvaert]

Correct.

 

If I had to modprobe it should have been cdc_ether instead of g_ether. But 
anyway, I did not have to do this after all (distro dependant).

 

All it took for me was to actually READ the documentation on the wiki and it 
worked...


Kind regards,

 

Niels.


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 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:07:04 +1000
 Subject: Re: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner
 
 On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 06:08:12 am Niels Heyvaert wrote:
 
  Basically these were the same steps I was already doing (except I need to
  modprobe g_ehter first).
 
 Um, don't you mean cdc_ether ? That's what I'm using..
 
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RE: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner

[Niels Heyvaert]

Hi there,

So far no luck with getting an SSH connection to the FreeRunner.

I've followed the wiki man pages to the letter 
(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking) as Angus suggests. But this did 
not change the result.

Basically these were the same steps I was already doing (except I need to 
modprobe g_ehter first).

I'm still getting the no route to host error.

Disabling my PC wlan connection does not help.

Any thoughts?

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 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:44:16 -0600
 Subject: Re: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner

 On August 6, 2009 09:07:40 pm c_c wrote:
 Hi,
 I also get the following error :-

 usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7
 usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices
 eth1: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-:00:0b.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device,
 00:1f:11:01:2a:26
 eth1: no IPv6 routers present

 Something to do with ipv6?

 No it means it has been allocated eth1 because it has a static MAC address. So
 any setup you do on the PC side needs to be for eth1 and not usb0

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking

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RE: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner

[Niels Heyvaert]

And so, it worked.

As usual, this turned out to be an RTFM problem.

I had to use eth2 instead of usb0. By looking at ifconfig -a and dmesg I was 
able to see that the MAC address on eth2 was the same as the one of the new USB 
device... This is actually mentioned on the wiki page we were referring to.

I tend to skip to the code snippets and only read the paragraphs above and 
below... Need to take more time to read the valuable bits of text preceding 
those snippets.

Let's hope I learned something from it.

Thanks for the help.

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 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:37:27 +0200
 Subject: RE: Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner

 On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 20:08 +, Niels Heyvaert wrote:
 Hi there,

 So far no luck with getting an SSH connection to the FreeRunner.

 I've followed the wiki man pages to the letter
 (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking) as Angus suggests. But
 this did not change the result.

 Er... there are a lot of alternatives presented there. You need to be
 more specific, I'm afraid.

 Basically these were the same steps I was already doing (except I need
 to modprobe g_ehter first).

 You really don't. Really. I mean it.

 Modprobing g_ether shows up two new usb devices on my machine which are
 both not my freerunner. I'm using ubuntu 9.04, just like you.

 I'm still getting the no route to host error.

 Understandable.

 Disabling my PC wlan connection does not help.

 Correct.

 Any thoughts?

 I'm pretty sure my previous post (and some other posts as well) pretty
 much sums it all up:

 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3401779|a3402898

 If you follow that to the letter, one new interface showed up. That is
 your freerunner.

 Good luck!

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Unabel to SSH into Neo Freerunner

[Niels Heyvaert]

Hi,
 
I'm currently having difficulties connecting to the Neo Freerunner (running 
OM2009) from Ubuntu 9.04.
 
Initially I did not get the usb0 ethernet connection when plugging in the 
booted device, so I used 
 
modprobe g_ether 
 
to get the interface.
 
Afterwards I configured the usb0 as follows:
 
ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
 
Then tried
 
ssh 192.168.0.202
 
But I always get the error of no route to host
 
My wlan0 connection is on a different subnet (192.168.1.249). The details for 
both interfaces are listed below.
 
Printing the routes on my system I get the following list:
 
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.1.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 2  00 wlan0
192.168.0.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  00 usb0
link-local  *   255.255.0.0 U 1000   00 wlan0
default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0  00 wlan0
 
Trying to modify the route table with following command:
 
route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200
 
I always get
 
SIOCADDRT: Network is down
 
So basically I'm currently stuck trying to connect to the Freerunner. My system 
is not using any firewalling rules (iptables --list shows no rules).
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks,
 
Niels.
wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:21:5c:1a:c4:f9  
  inet addr:192.168.1.249  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::221:5cff:fe1a:c4f9/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:41334 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:31401 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:54936553 (54.9 MB)  TX bytes:4458136 (4.4 MB)
 
usb0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr f6:8e:f5:11:e4:13  
  inet addr:192.168.0.200  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::f48e:f5ff:fe11:e413/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:10 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:169 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:1696 (1.6 KB)  TX bytes:22003 (22.0 KB)
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