Need battery help in DC area
My Freerunner battery is dead and I cannot boot it. Have tried the suggestions on the wiki, none of which work for me. So I need to find someone who can charge my battery, or someone whose battery I can borrow, or someone with a battery charger I can borrow or some such idea. Any help is greatly appreciated... Also, does anyone have instruction on how to fix my Freerunner so it can boot off USB or wall charger? Is it a hardware mod or firmwae upgrade or something? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qtopia 4.3.3
So I flashed this one today, I used qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242-gta02-flash.tgz. I followed an earlier post to turn my speaker volume back up to 127 so I can hear. Are the various values in the file /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state, documented anywhere? Turning the value up helps me hear but its got a buzz I wonder if I can tweak out. Interestingly, I used to notice I got fewer bars with 4.3.2, and the reception didn't seem quite as good as with ASU. Now, reception still seems slightly worse, but oddly, it has full bars, that never decrease, at least while walking around the house, where there is usually a fair amount of variation in how many bars show. So that seems to be broken or looking at the wrong thing, can anyone confirm? The SMS fix seems to work sort of, used to be when I got a voice mail I would get a text from ATT with some weird characters, now I get a text that looks like this: -- Stop From: 2804 Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008 22:00:16 -- I am not sure this helps me more than a text with strange characters, but it is at least still unique enough looking that I will know what it means. I haven't done any testing involving the power management or anything, if I notice anything wierd there I will report back. Anyone tried bluetooth headset with this new version to see if the files that were not there in 4.3.2 are there now? I can try tomorrow if nobody else has yet. Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Bluetooth on om 2008.08
Anyone know how to pair a bluetooth headset? I was able to do it on the Qtopia release, but don't see an app to do it on ASU. Is there a package I need to install? Am I just blind? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
Since we're top posting... I just want to throw in that I really like OM 2008.8. After seeing all the problems people had with it when it came out I went to the newest Qtopia but I had issues with reception and using devices like headsets/speakerphone. I then decided to try OM 2008.8. At first the bugs bothered me, but then I learned it a bit. I haven't had the incoming call-cannot answer problem in a while. That bugged me the most. Now, I am only using the phone features and texting really at this point, but it imported all my contacts just fine. The battery life isn't outstanding but I am sure it will get better. All-in-all I think its decent. I had a hard time on occasions when going to dialer, then contacts then tapping the contact. It wouldn't always select the contact and go to the screen where I could place a call. I found that double tapping with my finger seems to always work, lets the phone know I am serious I guess hahaha. Anyway, I am grateful OM is here, I waited a long time with my Treo 650, not replacing it until the Neo came out. So far its not perfect, but its definitely a step in the right direction, and I have a ton of confidence its going to be fantastic in the next several months as things get worked out. Thanks again. And thanks to the community that has been so supportive. Steve Mosher wrote: bingo Michele Renda wrote: This type of comments are the type of comment that I hate most of all. Please let the people to work in peace, and if you want to make an appoint, please make in a constructive way. We all was knowing that OM 2008.8 was in very early development, and no one force you to use it. People like you bring firms to have a close development process. Regards Michele Renda Olivier Berger wrote: Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear community, here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 was released. We simply forgot to send this report to a public list because we were too busy with the release preparations. Sorry. SNIP Due to all these critical major bugs, from our testing team point of view: Not stable enough to release our Om 2008.8. The subject says it all. No need for more comments, I guess. Maybe I should have quoted the release announcement email too ! Regards, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia issues with 4.3.2-080808
Lorn Potter wrote: Paul Buede wrote: I am not sure the most appropriate place for this, so I will post my issues here and take them elsewhere if there is a better place for them. I flashed with the qtopia-4.3.2-080808-rootfs-08081019.jffs2 and uImage-2.6.24+git30+436204281bcd1fe5999ad6589ea7ab1b5360c352-r2-om-gta02.bin files. 1. Since then, as has been noted, my reception is not as good as it was with the stock OM build. odd. This most likely would have nothing to do with qtopia. I cannot find libgsmd-tool on qtopia, is it there somewhere, or by a different name? Then I could give you some real numbers... Oddly, when the phone boots it has a lot more bars and then it quickly drops, and then its super spotty. I also wonder if there is a way to restart the gsm daemon or service without rebooting? I don't see anything in /etc/init.d that jumps out at me as the right script. Thanks! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Another question on qtopia, and md5
So, I thought this was odd. Can someone else verify? If you download the file on the bottom of this page: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 The direct link is: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=77 The page says the md5 should be e250609cd4838817be07e1934adcb375 But I have downloaded it twice now, and both times I get: pblap:/home/paul/openmoko # md5sum qtopia-4.3.2-080808-gta02-flash.tgz 9f3de59d6f90868e39059ab634a6430b qtopia-4.3.2-080808-gta02-flash.tgz Is this the case for anyone else? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM
Tim Erwin wrote: I've been running my freerunner with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release. Now I'm using it as a phone I've noticed the GSM reception is poor... or more to the point qtopia seems to spend as much time reporting No network as it does with a signal. I am using the qtopia 080808 release and have no problem with the reception. Did you notice this with the previous qtopia or openmoko release? Or is this a new problem? Regards, Tim Interestingly, I flashed with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release this morning, from my opkg updated stock image, and also notice my signal is weaker. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM
Tim Erwin wrote: Interestingly, I flashed with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release this morning, from my opkg updated stock image, and also notice my signal is weaker. I am just using the stock image from qtopia, I haven't done any updating. I will do a update and see if I get the same problem. Do you know what packages where updated? Regards, Tim What I mean is, I had a stock OM build, that I had updated with opkg. Then I went and flashed it with the two files in the qtopia package this morning, that qtopia had just released. I haven't tried to update it at all after flashing with qtopia. But I notice the reception seems weaker, both in terms of how many bars I see, and how much spottier the coverage is in places where it was fine yesterday. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ATT sim card not working, Tmobile does
Adam Talbot wrote: I can second that. The 74321O 4022 works, most of the time. None of the other 74321X card work. I played dumb and went to the ATT store. I printed out the ATT OpenMoko Wiki page and highlighted the card I needed. I gave it to the tech and stated that was the card a friend told me to get. -Adam On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 22:03 -0400, Sumod Menon wrote: Hey, I had the same problem. I too had the same card, I tried everything possible to fix the 3022 card. But it doesnt work. Soln Get the 74231 O 4022 simcard I have tried three 4022 and all seems to work. 1) Go to ebay and buy the 74231 O 4022 simcard. Dont forget to backup the fone numbers on the sim. The guy is pretty decent and ships pretty fast. http://cgi.ebay.com/ATT-3G-SIM-CARD-4-SALE-BRAND-NEW-COMMISSIONABLE-SWAP_W0QQitemZ270245436267QQihZ017QQcategoryZ29778QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem 2) Go to ATT store and tell them you got a new device. Ask them to give you a 4022 card. [ Better way would be to act dumb, try different cards till you get a 4022, it seems like ATT likes dumb customers than the geeks]. Regards Sumod On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Paul Buede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, so I am still searching for the right carrier, but thats another story. In the meantime I thought I could add to some discussion here: With a brand new ATT sim, I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY L # # List operators EVENT: Netreg registration denied cme error: 32 EVENT: Signal Quality: 15 With my brand new Tmobile sim, it works. The numbers on the ATT sim are:71234G 3022 This card is mentioned here: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666 and here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT But there is not an apparent solution. Anybody able to suggest anything? Is there any info I can get off my phone to help people fix this? I tried seating the SIM a couple times but no luck for me. I have determined that ATT seems to have better coverage around here (where it matters most to me), slightly, but again this a different email. If this card is never going to work, does anyone have an ATT card that does work? Anyone know how I can get a working one from ATT? If its just a matter of time, I can be patient for a little while and use the free phone, I just need to know if I should worry. Just wanted to thank you guys for your help. I went to the ATT store, and after a couple of the employees looked at me cross-eyed, they started digging through packs of SIMs. 3022 seems the most common one, they did have one pack of 2022 that I tried for a minute or so, and did not work, before they found their one pack of 4022's. I popped it in and it works like a champ. One of the employees who was there when i originally came in, and was most interested in helping me, was almost as excited as I was. Thanks again. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ATT sim card not working, Tmobile does
Ok, so I am still searching for the right carrier, but thats another story. In the meantime I thought I could add to some discussion here: With a brand new ATT sim, I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY L # # List operators EVENT: Netreg registration denied cme error: 32 EVENT: Signal Quality: 15 With my brand new Tmobile sim, it works. The numbers on the ATT sim are:71234G 3022 This card is mentioned here: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666 and here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT But there is not an apparent solution. Anybody able to suggest anything? Is there any info I can get off my phone to help people fix this? I tried seating the SIM a couple times but no luck for me. I have determined that ATT seems to have better coverage around here (where it matters most to me), slightly, but again this a different email. If this card is never going to work, does anyone have an ATT card that does work? Anyone know how I can get a working one from ATT? If its just a matter of time, I can be patient for a little while and use the free phone, I just need to know if I should worry. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Matt Joyce wrote: The wiki has some interesting info on GSM : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsm The AT commands to interact with the hardware are here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands (I wonder if they are an extension of the earlier dial up modem commands ala Hayes?) here's how you use the commands: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode these command may work for you : r Register to network R Register to given operator (R=number) U Unregister from netowrk P Print current operator N Print current operator in numeric L List available operators Q Read signal quality nr Query network registration As I mentioned, I wanted to find all contactable sites, but didn't find a command for that. That was a huge help. What I need now is a way to pass commands from the cli and have it return values to the cli rather than operating in the shell. So then I can write a script to do it and log to a file. I want it to run while I drive around, so I don't have to stop on tap on the tiny keyboard. Any suggestions? I was able to do the following today, from home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/log# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY L # # List operators 31026 T - Mobile, T - Mob for short, is our current operator 31056 Cellular One DC, Cell On for short, is available 31041 Cingular, Cingula for short, is available ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Software requests
I am trying to do a couple things, and noticed I don't see expect or cron in the opkg list, or on the freerunner. Can someone, who packages, make those available? I suppose I can try to set up a dev environment, guess I could put make and stuff on the phone. I am pinched for time though, so I am trying to do what I can, without having to set up dev stuff to do my own compiles. Anyway, any help would be appreciated. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Paul Buede wrote: Matt Joyce wrote: The wiki has some interesting info on GSM : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsm The AT commands to interact with the hardware are here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands (I wonder if they are an extension of the earlier dial up modem commands ala Hayes?) here's how you use the commands: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode these command may work for you : r Register to network R Register to given operator (R=number) U Unregister from netowrk P Print current operator N Print current operator in numeric L List available operators Q Read signal quality nr Query network registration As I mentioned, I wanted to find all contactable sites, but didn't find a command for that. That was a huge help. What I need now is a way to pass commands from the cli and have it return values to the cli rather than operating in the shell. So then I can write a script to do it and log to a file. I want it to run while I drive around, so I don't have to stop on tap on the tiny keyboard. Any suggestions? I was able to do the following today, from home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/log# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY L # # List operators 31026 T - Mobile, T - Mob for short, is our current operator 31056 Cellular One DC, Cell On for short, is available 31041 Cingular, Cingula for short, is available So, I drove around and stopped, and everytime I had any reception at all, meaning the L gave me any carriers, it gave me the same three carriers. This modifies my initial theory, and leads to a new one. So, my new theory is that the SIM card is what allows the phone to see any carriers at all. And that the three operators I could see in my tests must all allow roaming on each others networks, which is why my T-Mobile SIM lets me see only those three. I should be able to see Verizon, US Cellular, and who knows what other operators from some of the places I tested, including my house. So, right now, I took the SIM card out, rebooted my phone, and am testing to see if I can see any carriers at all (doing this from home), and I see no carriers at all. In fact, here is the output: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY # cme error: 315 L # List operators Q # Signal strength EVENT: Netreg registration denied cme error: 32 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 Signal quality -91 dBm Error rate undetectable EVENT: Signal Quality: 9 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 EVENT: Signal Quality: 9 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 EVENT: Signal Quality: 9 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 # L List operators cme error: 13 So, I am disappointed. I am going to need SIM cards from other operators to test reception anywhere. This makes things harder, or at least slower, as I will have to remove SIM cards and insert new ones at any given area to test the various carriers. Does anyone else in the US use a carrier I have not listed as visible with T-Mobile? And would you be willing to test and see what other carriers you are able to see? Maybe we can build a list of carrier teams, for lack of a better term. I have 6 days left to back out of my TMobile contract, so I need to get SIM cards for testing quickly... Will let you all know how it goes. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Steven Kurylo wrote: And that the three operators I could see in my tests must all allow roaming on each others networks, which is why my T-Mobile SIM lets me see only those three. I should be able to see Verizon, US Cellular, and who knows what other operators from some of the places I tested, including my house. I don't know why you'd ever expect to see CDMA carriers with a GSM phone. You won't see Verizon or US Cellular or Sprint. Oh, I guess I thought Verizon did GSM as well as CDMA. I also expected US Cellular to do GSM too, guess I was wrong. So then, I guess it doesn't really matter what carrier I go with if they all have the same coverage.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
ian douglas wrote: Paul Buede wrote: the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself. When driving around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say registering as if there is no sim card. But, on the little image of the antenna, that shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars. Is that a bad guage of connectivity? As far as I recall, TMobile only uses the higher-frequency band, (1800 or 1900? I can never remember), and probably won't drop down to the 850MHz band unless they've signed an agreement with ATT to piggyback on their lower-frequency network in the rural areas where you've been. -id Anybody else know what I can query or run to view available cell carriers at any given time? Is this even possible? Correct me if I am wrong, I am kind of making this up to try and figure out how it works: Phone with no SIM card listens and transmits on given frequency, in Neo's case its 1800/1900 and 850 in the US. I assume it can see all the various cell carriers, but cannot register until it has the SIM card, which acts as a key, maybe analogous to a public key? Once it has that, it can register with the provider, and the provider queries its systems to see if the SIM has an account associated, and if so what level of service is associated with the SIM. Under my completely made up scenario, without a SIM I ought to be able to see the various carriers who respond to queries, but who I cannot register with, due to my lack of their public key (probably a bad analogy, but its all I have right now). Thanks, and please enlighten me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSM detection/identification
So, I picked up a tmobile sim, and signed up with them (I have another week to cancel), and so the phone registers with tmobile. I am finding the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself. When driving around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say registering as if there is no sim card. But, on the little image of the antenna, that shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars. Is that a bad guage of connectivity? Is it wrong? Or does that maybe tell me that it has 2 bars of strength with some sort of other gsm network? Is there a way I can query the phone from the cli to have it show me the different carriers it can sense network for? I am interested in running a little cron to pipe all carriers it detects into a file every minute as I drive around the countryside, so I can see who i will get the best coverage with. Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Flash ASU
Hey, I was looking at the wiki but could not find something that laid the steps out for me. I have been messing with the default image, and have it upgraded as of yesterday. I want to check out the ASU image. Whats the best way to do that? I don't have anything in the phone yet that I want to save, so I don't mind wiping it out and reloading later. Please give me the steps, or a link to the steps, to get the ASU image loading on the phone. Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USA, East coast groupe order
Count me in. Feydreva wrote: It seems we will never have 10 people in VA, nor in Maryland, nor in New york. New york group is already 5. Why not all go in the NY group then ? I was thinking joining the NY group, and get someone to send me the phone in VA. Philippe ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping Specs for Freerunner (Was: Group Sales: U.S. Midwest area)
If you are in Frederick, join our Maryland purchase group, I am 30 minutes from you. Kevin Dean wrote: Okay, so I just did some number crunching using the information Steve gave and honestly, there's no reason at all the 10-packs need to be broken up by region. It costs $14.40 to ship a 10-pack from Fremont, CA to Frederick, MD where I live (which is pretty close to across the country). $3,690 + $14.40 = 3704.4 delivered or $370.44 per phone before shipping. Here's the beautiful thing. Shipping a single unit (from a 10 pack) back, from Frederick, MD to Fremont, CA is $9.95 by UPS Ground which would bring the total cost per unit to $380.39. Assuming that Openmoko's Fremont shipping place is NOT getting a volume discount then the savings over a single unit would be $28.56 if shipped ACROSS COUNTRY both ways. For fun, I decided what it would cost to ship the unit from home to work (as might be done if buying regionally) in Alexandria, VA. The diffrerence in shipping is barely noticable, that a shipment of less than 60 miles makes it less than $2 cheaper. The point is, I horribly overestimated UPS shipping costs and there's actually quite a bit of savings from going in on a 10-pack. That said, I also discovered that doing regional purchases doesn't save much money over doing national purchases. Guys in groups falling short could easily pick up a small group across the country and cash in on the bulk savings. People picking up their phones (perhaps at a LUG meet) can even score an extra $8 to $10 savings over having it shipped. Neat. :) On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's quite useful, thanks! On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Tomas Di Domenico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is what you're looking for: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016379.html On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its on community for April ... Not sure I remember which thread. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you search the archives, Steve already gave us the specs so you could do this. Can you drop any more hints on where specifically to find this? I'm subscribed to all of the Openmoko lists except kernel-dev and even considering that I know it came from Steve, that's a lot of crap to wade through. Thanks! -- Steven Kurylo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Geoff Ruscoe Sigma Visions Computer Consulting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Baltimore/DC Group
I started one for Maryland, I live out past Frederick, so I am in the DC area. Joshua Broussard wrote: How have I not yet seen a call for group orders from the WMA to Baltimore, but there is one for Utah... No offense Utah... Any interest? r/ Josh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
