[QTMoko] What is the best way of moving my home directory to the SD Card?

2009-10-12 Thread Roland Whitehead
I've just had the root directory on my FAT32 formatted SD card p1 get  
hosed (Stale NFS file handle) so I ask the very simple question:  
what is the best/most reliable way of moving my home directory from  
NAND to the SDCard? I have the whole of p1 available for my home  
directory so I could mount it as /home/root, I could exit the /etc/ 
passwd file or I could symlink it.

Ideally I'd love to have things like this in a How to page on the  
QTMoko wiki. Would anyone complain if I started such a page?

TIA

Roland

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Re: Hi

2009-08-22 Thread Roland Whitehead
I would recommend that you choose which ever distro keeps their how  
to make your Neo work as a phone for most of the time using this  
distro as well as running other standard services reliably wiki page  
up to date and by up to date I mean referring to which ever is the  
most useable bootloader, build, kernel currently available even if  
that is the daily build. It should also assume that the reader is a  
complete novice and is neither a hacker or a linux sysadmin.

Seeing that none of the distro's really do (seeing that they are  
produced by hackers who are mostly hacking for their own enjoyment  
it's not really surprising and you can't really blame the teams)  
you've got a wide choice.

This remains one of the main requirements of Openmoko in my opinion  
and could be a great way for the non-core-hackers to contribute.


Roland
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 On 8/22/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote:
 Hi Soumik!

 Depends on what you want to work on, but if you have a freerunner, my
 suggestion is to install om2009 unstable there (see
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 ) and contribute to Paroli for a
 start (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli ). That'd be very
 beneficial for many and you'd get easily in in the develpment for
 Freerunner.

 You're welcome to join #paroli irc-channel for discussion.


 (and I know, others will recommend you other distros like SHR or
 Debian - but I was first :)

 r


 On 22 Aug 2009, at 11:10, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote

 Few arguments for SHR over Om2009: more people working on it, develops
 faster, most of decisions are done by community, nice way for sending
 and maintain patches, reachable people maintaining distro (so your app
 can even be added to default image), perspectives for future.  IRC
 channel: #openmoko-cdevel

 Decision is up to you, but I prefer SHR. Fast, stable, usable - as
 Om2009, but it has also more things behind scenes which Om2009 don't
 have ;)

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How does well does this community work?

2009-08-22 Thread Roland Whitehead
I am working with the 40 Fires Foundation [http://www.40fires.org] to  
try to build a framework for the development of open source hardware.  
You might have heard that the first project is the hyrban car - a  
car powered by a hydrogen fuel cell - the prototype of which was  
revealed by Riversimple [http://www.riversimple.com] earlier in the  
summer and whose designs have been licensed to 40 Fires. We have had  
input from Mozilla and other software foundations but of course the  
design of something like a car is a little harder to manage as an open  
source project. Openmoko.org is frequently raised in discussions and  
has lead me to push forward a wiki, mailing list and nabble based  
forums. Before we commit to this, how well do you think that this  
technology serves the Openmoko community? If you had the chance to  
build a community for the development of the Openmoko (hardware as  
well as software) what would you do and why?

TIA

Roland
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Re: [SHR] emacs package

2009-05-07 Thread Roland Whitehead
On 6 May 2009, at 16:04, Stefan Monnier wrote:

 It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package
 for Emacs.  Does such exist? If not, how can I get Emacs running -

 If you run Debian on your FR, then you can just aptitude install
 emacs.

Even easier - from within your terminal app run:

opkg install 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/emacs_22.3-r0_armv
4t.ipk

It takes a bit of time to install but when its there, there is no  
problem at all - works as it should

Now to install fso-el:

http://wiki.wjsullivan.net/collaboration.cgi/FsoEl


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Re: [SHR] emacs package

2009-05-06 Thread Roland Whitehead
Following Łukasz's lead I've found this:

http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/emacs_22.3-r0_armv4t.ipk

Will let you know if it works...


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RE: [QtEI] Translation suggestion

2009-04-30 Thread Roland
Hello,

in all the applications I write with Qt I'm using the tr() function. The
advantage is, that it is much shorter to write (and therefore IMHO to read)
and that QtLinguist is automatically showing the right context. QtLinguist
organizes the strings that are translatable by context - typically the class
names. When using tr() this is set automatically, when using
qApp-translate() you have to (but also: can) set the context yourself.
Another consideration is that tr() is only available in classes derived from
QObject - but since normally the strings you want to translate are generated
in Gui-classes this is normally the case.

To sum up: Personally I prefer tr(), but it doesn't really matter what you
use.

Roland

 -Original Message-
 From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-
 boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Fabio Locati
 Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:41 AM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: Re: [QtEI] Translation suggestion
 
 On the doc.trolltech.com, there isn't written that QApp-translate is
 better than tr, if I read correctly.
 
 http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qobject.html#tr
 http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qcoreapplication.html#translate
 
 Then is better leaving the tr() or switching to QApp-translate()?
 
 On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
 liede...@telenet.be wrote:
  On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:14:05 +0200
  Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I have looked around and it seems that QtEI should be translated
 with
  Qt Linguistic. Is this the best tool?
 
 
  I don't know the tool, but I do believe there's much work to be done
  here: many classes still use tr while I believe every class
 should
  use qApp-translate for translations.
  Thoughts, suggestions?
 
  Franky
 
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RE: [QtEI] Translation suggestion

2009-04-30 Thread Roland
  Another consideration is that tr() is only available in classes
 derived
  from
  QObject - but since normally the strings you want to translate are
  generated
  in Gui-classes this is normally the case.
 
 iirc tr is a static method of QObject, ie QObject::tr() should be
 possible
 regardless of inheritance.

Sorry. Of course you are correct.
The disadvantage of using QObject::tr() compared to qApp-translate() (or to
be more exact the static function QCoreApplication::translate()) is that you
can not specify a context and that it is not set automatically if the class
is not inheriting QObject.

Roland


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RE: [QtEI] Translation suggestion

2009-04-30 Thread Roland
  The disadvantage of using QObject::tr() compared to qApp-translate()
 
 eh? from what you wrote earlier i got the impression it is exactly the
 other way round.

You're right, kind of confusing. This is how I understood how it works:


When using QCoreApplication::translate() you have to provide the context
yourself.

When using QObject::tr(), the context is generated automatically by Qt. From
the documentation of Qt: All QObject subclasses using the Q_OBJECT macro
automatically have a reimplementation of this function with the subclass
name as context. Therefore I have to correct my earlier explanation a
little bit: Inheriting from QObject is not sufficient, you must also supply
the Q_OBJECT macro.
When the macro is used in a class, Qt's moc (Meta-Object Compiler) generates
more information for the class - including the translation-context.
You can find more information about the meta-object system under
http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/metaobjects.html.


I hope this didn't create more confusion...

Roland


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RE: [QT*] unpredictive keyboard

2009-04-26 Thread Roland
Hello Leonardo and Franky,

I haven't tried out your changes yet but they sound very useful. I would
also prefer the three switching buttons suggested by Franky. I think when
putting them e.g. at the far right, they wouldn't really fill up the space
too much or make the other keys too small.

Another idea: Wouldn't it be possible to toggle the predictability of the
keyboard through an option in the context (options) menu? By putting a
checkmark in front you would also have a visual information about the state.
I think this should be possible because when changing to the undocked
keyboard the option Change input Method changes into a submenu.

Roland



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Re: bluetooth spam

2009-04-24 Thread Roland Whitehead
What you haven't experienced then is Toothing. Apparently, it's rife  
on the trains between London and Brighton (in the UK) and often ends  
up with the people toothing each other getting it together... Nothing  
to do with spam. If OpenMoko made this really easy then there'd be  
lots of new users!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothing

Being far to square for such fun, it's fortunate that my train goes to  
Bognor!


Roland


On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:48, PaulTT wrote:

 i think spam via bluetooth is even worse than email spamming.
 more and more worse. :(

 the idea and the implementation, however, it's veery
 coool :))


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RE: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?

2009-04-23 Thread Roland
Hello husku,

 This article came as a surprise to me, maybe to you too:
 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtCreator_C%2B%2B/Qt

You are right, I didn't know that article.
So the topic IDE for app development seems to be covered. Does anyone have
an idea for developing apps using the Qtextended specific classes or
Qtextended itself?

Roland


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RE: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?

2009-04-22 Thread Roland
Hello Radek,

how do you run (and debug) the Qte applications on your PC? I know that Qte
can be build for qtfb (or something like that) but I had some compile errors
and didn't try again. Do you use this?
How do you import the project into Qt Creator? Is there a project file in
the git repository or does Qt Creator work just with the Makefile?

Many simple questions... please excuse this, but since I am usually
developing on a Windows machine (99.9% of our customers are running Windows)
I'm not so familiar with the whole build and development process under
Windows.

Thanks,
Roland

 -Original Message-
 From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-
 boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Radek Polak
 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:04 AM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: Re: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?
 
 Roland wrote:
 
  Is there any IDE one can use for the development?
  Coming from software development with Qt Desktop I think I would be
 able to
  contribute, but working with a normal editor is not really fun.
 
 For new application I am using QT Creator - very nice IDE with
 integrated debugger, completion and other stuff. I build the
 and debug the application on PC and then just compile for QTE.
 
  Also: Is there a way to debug the newly written applications?
 
 QT creator has debugger integrated. If you ever need to debug
 on Neo, you can use gdb.
 
  I am willing to install any Linux distribution and any package needed
 for
  development - but I have to admit I don't have a clue what to
 install.
 
 Just clone QTE git and build it.
 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_Improved
 
 If you have application working on PC with creator then just do:
 
   /path_to_your_qte/build/bin/qmake -project
   /path_to_your_qte/build/bin/qmake
 
 Copy the binary to Neo, login via SSH, do:
 
   source /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/qpe.env
   ./your_app
 
 
  Any comment and recommendation is welcome!
  Roland
 
 Any new and useful application are welcome :)
 
 Radek


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[Qtei] Which IDE for Development?

2009-04-21 Thread Roland
Hello all,

I want to get a little more involved in development for Qtei. Especially
after Franky's cry for help. Franky: I have to agree with Leonardo - great
work! To you and everybody else working on Qtei - I'm really impressed with
the improvements in the last months.
So why am I writing this mail...
I have downloaded the sources of Qtextended and also built it a couple of
times. I also did a checkout of the new git repository and that worked for
me as well. But any changes I made I had to type into a plain text editor
and that is kind of annoying.

Is there any IDE one can use for the development?
Coming from software development with Qt Desktop I think I would be able to
contribute, but working with a normal editor is not really fun.

Also: Is there a way to debug the newly written applications?

I am willing to install any Linux distribution and any package needed for
development - but I have to admit I don't have a clue what to install.

Any comment and recommendation is welcome!
Roland


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RE: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7

2009-04-17 Thread Roland
Hi Franky,

 A new version is available that fixes the issue with incoming
 phonenumbers being parsed wrong (was a typo of me):
 http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090416.tgz .

I installed it yesterday, the phone number bug is indeed gone now.

Great response time!
Roland


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RE: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7

2009-04-16 Thread Roland
Hi Franky,

yesterday I installed a completely new system according to your
instructions. Because I didn't get any USB connection (seems to be a windows
problem) I tried different rootfs images. Currently I'm running MS5.1.

I have found two problems so far:

1. The date can not be set through the GUI.

2. When receiving a call, the name is not found in the address book and the
number of the caller seems to be only displayed if it is stored on the
SIM-card (not address book). Example: I tried calling myself from my
home-landline (number not in FreeRunner) and it just showed Unknown. In my
office I repeated this and it showed Unknown but as number Roland/bp -
which is how it is stored on the SIM-card.

One question: Do you recommend using qi or uboot? Or do both just work fine?

Thanks so far,
Roland

 -Original Message-
 From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-
 boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Franky Van Liedekerke
 Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:46 PM
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
 
 (install instructions and script updated on 2090415: see below)
 
 Problems solved:
 
 - 20090401: 2.6.28 ok (even 2.6.29-rc2 ok)
 - 20090401: alarms OK (using atd from
   http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/, since no
   newer package exists), normal + when suspended
 - 20090401: wake up when receiving sms, OK
 - 20090401: call + echo check, all OK
 - 20090401: duplicate sms thing: solved (see also fix on 20090412)
 - 20090401: mail ok
 - 20090401: wifi ok
 - 20090403: voice notes (see my mail/patch) ok
 - 20090404: usb cable handling: ok (mailed a patch to Filip, I hope he
   integrates all the 2.6.28 patches and commits them)
 - 20090404: bluetooth ok (need to downgrade to bluez3 and not use
   bluez4, install script updated accordingly)
 - 20090410: voicemail number is now saved across reboots (see
 http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/15)
 - 20090410: snooze function works correctly now for repetitive alarms
   (see http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/27)
 - 20090412: wlan no longer always online after unsuspend. I don't
   know if this saves power or not though ...
 - 20090412: SMS's are deleted from SIM after being read (see
 http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/ticket/29). THIS NEEDS
 TESTING!!!
 
 - 20090413: vibrating/alarm/snoozing: works reliable now (there was a
   bug in the used timers logic that could cause infinite vibrating)
 - 20090415: missed calls bug finally solved, it took some code
   rewriting I found in the qtopia version Om2008.12 (thanks Holger!)
 - 20090415: outgoing call doesn't register anymore as missed when
   aborting the call before the connection is made (again: thanks
   Holger!)
 
 (the last 2 fixes aren't in any tickets, I need to create a patch for
 these.)
 
 
 Problems found (more like small nuisances now):
 ===
 - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service
   crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the
   clock again
 - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it
   works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version
   combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but
   receiving files for sure don't.
 - if you try to delete the Wireless Lan, the system crashes ... cool
   huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-)
 
 - waiting call notification doesn' t work for me, it seems that the
   command to set the CCWA on the network fails for me:
 
  AtChat :  T : AT+CCWA=1,1,1
  AtChat :  F : +CME ERROR: 4
  AtChat :  T : AT+CCWA=1,2
  AtChat :  F : +CCWA: 0,7
  AtChat :  F : OK
 
 The error +CME ERROR: 4 means that the operation is not supported. Is
 this provider related?
 
 - I had a problem with the battery service crashing on me; all of the
   suddenly (after many suspend/resumes) the device gave me a warning
   that the battery was critical low, but after another suspend/resume
   cycle, the icon showed a full battery (even though the battery was at
   60% or so)
 
 
 Install instructions:
 =
 download the script
 http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/openmoko_install.sh , read the
 comments
 at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having
 flashed the device and made sure internet works).
 For those who just want to replace their existing QtE: just download
 the QtE compressed file and replace your existing QtE with it:
 http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090415.tgz.
 
 Enjoy!
 
 Franky
 
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RE: latest and greatest, progress mail 5 (stable 2.6.28 usage)

2009-04-10 Thread Roland
Hi Franky,

 [...]
 
 Install instructions:
 =
 download the script
 http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/openmoko_install.sh , read the
 comments
 at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having
 flashed the device and made sure internet works).

Which images (rootfs and kernel) do you use/recommend?
I am running Qte for some time now as daily phone and your list sounds
really interesting!

Roland


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RE: latest and greatest, progress mail 5 (stable 2.6.28 usage)

2009-04-10 Thread Roland
Hello Franky,

I guess I should have read that first. Very good documentation!
Thank you, I will try it out real soon.

Roland


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Re: How do you like to read a phone number?

2008-12-29 Thread Roland Mas
Michele Renda, 2008-12-29 13:00:01 +0100 :

 Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy,
 France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone
 number in your country (with international prefix)

  For France (+33), the usual format is +33 # ## ## ## ##
(international format) or 0# ## ## ## ## (without the international
prefix).  Sometimes the ## components are grouped by pairs, giving two
blocks of digits, but that's not quite common.  Digits (or groups of
digits) are usually separated by spaces, but sometimes by dots (as in
0#.##.##.##.##).

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Re: How do you like to read a phone number?

2008-12-29 Thread Roland Mas
Michele Renda, 2008-12-29 13:27:45 +0100 :

 Il 29/12/2008 13:20, Roland Mas ha scritto:
For France (+33), the usual format is +33 # ## ## ## ##
 (international format) or 0# ## ## ## ## (without the international
 prefix)
 Thank you for your answer.

 I have a question: this is valid for every number? (both Fix and
 Mobil?)

  Yes.  Normal numbers in mainland France are 10 digits (including
initial 0), as well as most special numbers (toll-free or
premium-rate).  That includes landlines, mobile phones, and the
numbers provided by most ADSL ISPs when they provide VOIP to their
subscribers.  A few special numbers are shorter, such as the directory
enquiries, some 4-digit numbers for rapid access to some large
corporations or entities, and some 6-digit numbers that are (as far as
I know) mostly used for sending SMS at a premium rate and get
something in return (ringtones, background images, horoscopes and so
on).

 And for you... for example... when you dial a number, is more easy
 to read a number in this format +33 # ## ## ## ## ?

  My personal preference is +33 #  , but it is not very
common.  Most people don't know (or don't want to see) the +33 part,
and they usually see (and write) five pairs of digits.

 and the last question... there is a rule in France to separate a
 fixed number / mobile number?

  Yes, although the IP/telephony convergence is blurring the line a
bit.  Historically, 01 to 05 numbers (+33 1 to +33 5) are geographical
numbers corresponding to landlines.  06 numbers are mobile phones.  08
numbers are for special rates (toll-free or premium-rate) as well as
VOIP.  VOIP numbers are theoretically migrating to be 09, but not
everyone knows or uses their 09 number.  Also, some VOIP providers
give numbers that look like they're geographical, whereas some others
give out 08 or 09 numbers.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_France has all the
details.

Roland.
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Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone

2008-12-08 Thread Roland Whitehead
I, like a great many others I suspect, have a NeoFreerunner doing its  
best impression of a brick on the shelf because I just don't have the  
time to get it to the point where it works as a phone before I start  
doing what I got it for - developing additional software. Monitoring  
these lists and the wiki periodically produces an impetus for dusting  
it off and giving it another go (like this past week-end's claim that  
WSOD was gone) before reality sinks home and either the Neo white  
screens or my trusty Mac grey screens.


Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very  
clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a  
brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off,  
will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when  
on a call. After that, the user should be left to get on with it but  
I've completely failed to get to that stage despite trying 4 different  
distributions. I'm really talking basic here - if you have a machine  
that works for you, what Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using  
and where did you get them from? What were the core applications that  
you loaded to make it work, where did you get them from and which  
versions? What were the modifications that you made to various  
settings files. If you have a working machine, could you blat it and  
rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so, would  
you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care  
which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to  
work that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books  
out ready...


I have searched high and low through the wiki and list archives for  
over a month with no joy. If I've missed something blindingly obvious  
then perhaps you'd point me in the right direction. I guess the issue  
is that I'm neither a hardware hacker nor a kernel hacker but an  
application hacker - I'm certainly not an end user in the normal  
mobile phone sense but I still can't get anywhere.


The temptation is just to say oh well, I'll just leave it and go and  
play with Android or get an iPhone but that is not what I got onto  
this for...



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RE: [QT Extended] Observersation on QtE 4.4.2

2008-11-04 Thread Roland Kossel
Hello Warren,

 

I also have the problem with the missing ring-tones. Just choose one you
copied to the file-system. It seems as if the builtin tones are just not
found/included.

 

I haven't quite understood one point - does your phone wake up from suspend
when you get a call? For some people (sounds like everybody) the resume is
working - but not for me.

 

With speakerphone mode didn't work  - do you mean the acoustic feedback? I
found an AT-command which has to be sent at the beginning of each call. I
compiled a library including this command and the one that fixes the echo
bug and now I don't have any sound problems during calls.

 

 

Since I don't want to switch phones all the time, I am using the Freerunner
with Qtextended 4.4.2 in daily use. I'm still looking how to fix some
annoying stuff, but am already very happy with the system.

 

Roland 

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RE: QtExtended 4.4.2 : GPRS

2008-11-03 Thread Roland Kossel
Hello,

in which script did you change the dialup number? I have to change the one for 
my provider too but don ‘t want to use the console to create the connection.

Thanks,
Roland

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[…]

I have figured out where the chat script and settings rest, edited the script 
to reflect the correct dialup number *99# for Vodafone Mumbai (not the default 
*99#) and after Bart's advise, have been successfully able to *establish* a 
connection.

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RE: Any hope for bug #666?

2008-10-29 Thread Roland Kossel
Hello,

I just got my Freerunner and - of course - it didn't work with my O2
(Germany) card. I went to a local O2 shop and was able to try out a new SIM
card they had in the shop. This card had a completely different pin-layout
than my old card and it worked!
The card is (allegedly) also a 3G-card - since I don't have any UMTS-modem
at hand I couldn't try it out, so this doesn't seem to be the problem.

Anyway I am happy to be able to use my Freerunner now.

I will take a picture of the pin-layout soon and put it on the ticket site.

Regards,
Roland



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Subject: Any hope for bug #666?

Hi,
is there any new info / progress on bug #666 (
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666 ) that is not yet on the trac/wiki?
 
That bug is now 15 months (!) old and has yet to receive any serious
attention - I'm hesitating to buy a Freerunner solely because it most likely
wont work with my O2 sim.
 
Can any openmoko engineer shed some light on this - has there been anything
from TI?


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Re: [debian] how to build emacs 23?

2008-10-07 Thread Roland Mas
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 2008-10-07 10:02:56 +0200 :

 I would like to build emacs 23 for Freerunner on Debian, but I have
 no clear idea how to do it. Pointers would be appreciated.

  Unofficial source packages are available on
http://emacs.orebokech.com/

Roland.
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Re: [debian gps] How to check gps

2008-09-24 Thread Roland Mas
Fox Mulder, 2008-09-24 17:51:30 +0200 :

 If someone of you manage to use fso-gpsd with tangogps for more than
 a few minutes without problems than please report it. My try to do
 so ended in a failure why i use (old) gpsd at the moment.

It works for me.  I don't record traces these days because I'm stuck
at home working, but I get a fix that lasts for as long as I've looked
at it so far.

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Re: [debian gps] How to check gps

2008-09-24 Thread Roland Mas
Fox Mulder, 2008-09-24 18:10:13 +0200 :

 It works for me.  I don't record traces these days because I'm
 stuck at home working, but I get a fix that lasts for as long as
 I've looked at it so far.

 And you use debian and only deinstalled gpsd und installed fso-gpsd
 for that to work?

  Yes.

 Is the gps-time correctly shown in tangogps?

  I must confess I don't look at GPS time that often (NTP is there for
a reason :-).  Now you mention it, it seems to believe we are
currently on the 30th of November, 2008 at midnight.

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Re: [debian gps] How to check gps

2008-09-24 Thread Roland Mas
Fox Mulder, 2008-09-24 18:28:25 +0200 :

 Ok, than this bug still exists.

  Actually... I left the FR running since my last mail, and it now
displays the correct GPS time.  I didn't keep an eye on it, so I don't
know how long it took.

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Re: Numptyphysics on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-09-01 Thread Roland Mas
Michele Renda, 2008-09-01 10:56:52 +0200 :

 It will be nice to have a little repository for all the person that
 use Debian on FR where they can find the programs that are
 unavailable on the Debian official channed !

That's exactly what the pkg-fso repository is about, you know.

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-16 Thread Roland Mas
Risto H. Kurppa, 2008-08-16 12:31:22 +0300 :

 On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:22 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So now people, let's write a page that lists some cool (read:
 recommended or so..) apps that you can run on debian here :)

 i am far more intersted to switch to a useful desktop manager and still to
 be able to use the phone part.
 at least i'd like to know how i do access installed applications, zhone
 only presents that four predefined buttons.

 .. let me know if you find it out. Installing gdm and xfce4 would
 take approx 85 megs, I only have 70 left after the installation on
 my kit-512MB card (didn't wanto to empty 8GB one - especially when
 there's been some sdhc io-reports..) so can't try it yet.

  Hints to free up some space:
- Remove /usr/share/man
- Remove /usr/share/doc
- Remove unneeded directories in /usr/share/locale/ (mine now contains
  only the English variants, plus French)

  The files in there will reappear if you reinstall or upgrade
packages, so this is only a temporary trick.  Nice results, though:

debian-gta02:~# df -h /
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
rootfs462M  287M  151M  66% /
debian-gta02:~# 

  Still not small enough to fit into NAND flash, unfortunately.

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Re: atd: how to start a job every 10 minutes ?

2008-08-15 Thread Roland Mas
Harald Koenig, 2008-08-15 12:04:44 +0200 :

 Hi,

 I'd like to trigger at jobs every ~10 minutes (so that RTC resumes
 from suspend) but somehow atd (Om 2008.8) behaves strange

 any hints how to deal with atd and trigger jobs ?

You may want ot look at cron instead of at.  at is for one-time jobs,
cron is for recurring jobs.

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Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-14 Thread Roland Mas
Jay Vaughan, 2008-08-13 22:47:28 +0200 :

  Oh come on.  After reading all your (and others') scary messages
 about that, I decided to give it a try.  So I pointed my browser to
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile.  Half an hour later, I
 had a build in progress.  Most of that half-hour was spent waiting
 for stuff to download, and part of the rest was due to my running
 the whole stuff in a particular isolated environment (cowbuilder
 chroot, for those who care) with its own characteristics (stuff
 runs as root, and I didn't have a home directory).

 great that its working for you, looking forward to future news of
 your .ipk URL's ..

  I'm more likely to provide *.deb, actually, but that's just because
I'm an arrogant, smug, elitist Debian bastard (and not ashamed of it,
either).

  Of course, the build hasn't completed yet (I have a few *.ipk
 already, but the webpage mentions 5 hours on a computer that's
 rather faster than mine), but if pasting less than 15 commands
 straight from a web page is too high a barrier to entry for
 prospective developers, I doubt they'd be able to accomplish much
 even if it was a single command to run.

 since where did i say that i couldn't follow the instructions on the
 wiki?

  You didn't, as far as I know.  You did, however, complain loudly
about how it's hard to keep up with them with regards to code changes
and build environments.  Which is what I was replying to: there's a
make target to update all of that in the MokoMakefile, so it's one
command to type.

 the issue is that there is no one stable, common, build system - or
 distribution channel - for developers to pop their stuff into, and
 with the moving targets of 'fso' vs. 'asu' vs 'om2007.2' vs
 'underground' vs 'etc', its a bother.

  Choice in build systems isn't bad per se, as far as I know.  And
choice a definite bonus when it comes to distribution channels: I
wouldn't want the official feeds to contain random contributed
packages.  I don't have a problem with people adding unofficial
repositories and publishing the URLs, though.

  I do agree with the probably excessive multiplicity of targets, but
my feeling is that this is going to settle down.  OM2007.2 seems to
have entered maintenance-only mode, I expect ASU/OM2008.8 to follow
the same path, and I envision most of the momentum moving to FSO.  As
for the distribution system underneath, I'd be happy to see it migrate
to Debian proper, since that would gain us the whole Debian
repositories, build systems, tools and experience to build on, but
maybe that's just me dreaming (although I'm quite impressed with the
fact that the pkg-fso team has managed to prepare a working
Debian-based image with FSO and Zhone in a few days).

  Half an hour.  15 commands to copy and paste.  How much more
 hand-holding does a developer need?

 please, do not assume i am a fool unless you would consider like
 countenance.

  Whoa, calm down.  I do not assume you are a fool.  I was just
pointing out a discrepancy between your loud complaints about the
barrier to entry, which looked scary to me, and how it's actually
rather easy to setup a development environment.

 its not the hand-holding or the trick makefiles.  its the dire lack
 of a dictator to rally around and form a federation ..  and as a
 result, actually, building apps for the phone *with* the phone is
 turning out to be, frankly, a lot more workable - and lightweight -
 than over a year of mokomakefile groupthink right about now ..

  One more reason that NIH-syndrome is evil.  Should have gone for
Debian right at the start :-)

  (In order not to degenerate into a DSW, here are my own
contributions so far: 1. a Python script to load and save contacts to
files in 2007.2, and 2. a failed attempt at another script to switch
from lock-and-suspend to lock-only when a call is active.  You win
hands down.)

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Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-14 Thread Roland Mas
arne anka, 2008-08-14 14:24:58 +0200 :

   I'm more likely to provide *.deb, actually, but that's just because
 I'm an arrogant, smug, elitist Debian bastard (and not ashamed of it,
 either).

 yeah! that's the spirit!
 you don't have by chance a blog or so where you jot down your experiences  
 with debian on fr? i think, i am going to try it this weekend.

I have a blog, but I haven't started mentioning the FR on it yet.  Nor
have I started running Debian on the FR.  OM2007.2 works for me, and
I'm loathe to switch to something else until it stabilises a bit.
Probably some time around FSO milestone 3.

  In the meantime, there is http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-fso.

Roland.
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Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-13 Thread Roland Mas
Jay Vaughan, 2008-08-13 14:42:23 +0200 :

 Idea of Open Source projects is to release them before they're
 ready, to let community work on them as well.

 That would be fine in our case, *if* we could work on them
 concurrently, but there is so much cruft in dealing with the build
 environment - and too many forks in the details - that it makes it
 very unproductive to try to contribute.

  Oh come on.  After reading all your (and others') scary messages
about that, I decided to give it a try.  So I pointed my browser to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile.  Half an hour later, I had
a build in progress.  Most of that half-hour was spent waiting for
stuff to download, and part of the rest was due to my running the
whole stuff in a particular isolated environment (cowbuilder chroot,
for those who care) with its own characteristics (stuff runs as root,
and I didn't have a home directory).

  Of course, the build hasn't completed yet (I have a few *.ipk
already, but the webpage mentions 5 hours on a computer that's rather
faster than mine), but if pasting less than 15 commands straight from
a web page is too high a barrier to entry for prospective developers,
I doubt they'd be able to accomplish much even if it was a single
command to run.

  Half an hour.  15 commands to copy and paste.  How much more
hand-holding does a developer need?

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Re: GPRS / Wifi

2008-08-10 Thread Roland Mas
Mike Baroukh, 2008-08-10 00:52:11 +0200 :

 But I'm asking this : When using wifi or usb, I don't need a proxy.
 When using GPRS, I need a proxy.
 I will not re-configure anything each time.

 Does somebody know if there is a solution ?

  Putting scripts into /etc/network/if-up.d would probably work.

 for each connection, there would be parameters :
 - ip (static or dhcp)

  This should be configured in /etc/network/interfaces

 - nameserver
 - gateway

  This info can come from the DHCP server, the PPP remote end, or
static in /etc/network/interfaces again.

 - proxy (http / https / ftp  ...)
 - proxy type (transparent or not)
 - user/password for proxy
 - may be max upload/download bandwith
 - may be firewall rules

  Scripts are your friends there :-)

 Last : may be it could connect to internet transparently if needed by an
 application.

  At least on Debian, there's a diald package that does exactly
this.  I guess it could be ported to Openmoko.

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Re: GPRS / Wifi

2008-08-10 Thread Roland Mas
Mike Baroukh, 2008-08-10 12:43:49 +0200 :


 Putting scripts into /etc/network/if-up.d would probably work.

 Not so easy :
 - you may have 2 places where the same interface has different
 parameters (wifi at home and wifi at work ...). So you can't just add
 [pre|post]-up parameters in /etc/network/interface.

Yes you can.  I do that on my laptop already: the scripts do the
detection of what Wifi access points are in the vicinity, and change
various parameters accordingly (WEP key, HTTP proxy, and I even used
to change the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list at some point).

 - Not so easy to configure tangogps, maemo, wget, mail client, ...

  Because they use different configuration schemes, I guess.  As for
Tangogps, I think you can already change the configuration with
gconftool-2.  As for the others, I don't know.

 Thats why I think that place parameters should be part of the framework
 and not just scripting.
 Application then could be compiled for the framework and using shared
 informations on how to connect.

  That looks like overkill to me.  Why add more complexity to the
framework when you already have a $http_proxy environment variable?

 Finally, connection parameters should not be part of the system.
 They are part of my profiles = they don't ahve to be in
 /etc/network/interface.

  And on that point, I wholeheartedly disagree.  Down that way lies
madness, and application-specific parameters, and a whole mess of
synchronisation problems and hard-to-debug stuff.

 Personnaly, to connect wifi, I prefer to use a script like

 INTERFACE=eth0
 ifconfig $INTERFACE up
 iwconfig $INTERFACE essid myessid
 iwconfig $INTERFACE mode managed
 iwconfig $INTERFACE channel 7
 iwconfig $INTERFACE key open my wep key
 udhcpc -i eth0

  I prefer using just ifup eth1 and have pre/post scripts in
/etc/network/interfaces or /etc/network/*.d, but that's a matter of
taste.

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Re: Freerunner for Sale

2008-08-09 Thread Roland Häder
Pricing? And what about w/o ATT card? I have a phone-free E-Plus (german 
provider) here.

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Re: wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)

2008-08-06 Thread Roland Mas
Dale Maggee, 2008-08-07 02:31:23 +1000 :

[...]

 I'm having exactly the same problem with scummVM as described above.
 Looking I found /usr/bin/scummvm, but trying to run it i get :

 /bin/sh: /usr/bin/scummvm: not found

 which is very odd, because I can type /usr/bin/scum[TAB], and it
 autocompletes to scummvm. the file is marked as executable. I can't
 see anything wrong.

This usually means a broken (or missing) interpreter.  If
/usr/bin/scummvm is a compiled binary, then the interpreter would be
libc6/ld.so, but I assume you'd have been bitten by that earlier...

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Re: Ringtone and vibration configuration

2008-07-26 Thread Roland Mas
Hans L, 2008-07-26 03:55:14 -0500 :

 I think next I will attempt to make a program to record beats in
 real time by pressing the touchpad to the beat.

And next, you'll port Guitar Hero or Frets On Fire, and you'll be
adulated by lots of people :-)

Roland.
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Re: sysfsutils -- the script

2008-07-24 Thread Roland Mas
arne anka, 2008-07-23 20:03:21 +0200 :

 sysfsutils (at least on debian/unstable) contains a script, that
 reads a configfiole on startup and sets values in /sys/ accordingly.

  Thanks for the script.

[...]

 class/leds/gta02-power:orange/trigger=bat-charging
 class/leds/gta02-power:blue/trigger=bat-full
 class/leds/gta02-aux:red/trigger=nand-disk

 when chargin the orange led should shine, when full the blue.

  For some reason, once the battery has started charging, it doesn't
seem to stop.  Sometimes the LED briefly flickers when I unplug the
USB cable, but it comes up again.  The icon in the top of the screen
changes to a battery rather than one with a lightning-bolt in it, but
what does it know, the LED is directly plugged into the kernel, so I
guess it's authoritative.  Apparently the hardware guys finally found
an infinite source of energy!

...that, or the kernel just forgets to switch the LED off.  Andy?

Roland.
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Re: sysfsutils -- the script

2008-07-24 Thread Roland Mas
Andy Green, 2008-07-24 09:34:12 +0100 :

[...]

 | ...that, or the kernel just forgets to switch the LED off.  Andy?

 Should be fixed in the last couple of days
[...]
 If you're running today's kernel, then... obviously not fixed
 enough!

I believe I am.  My installed kernel is from Jul 23 06:34:19 CEST with
Version: 2:2.6.24+git24+be0f111b3d1570dec174ff301d08bad995ccf1e6-r0
(and yes, I have rebooted into it :-)

Roland.
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Re: How to import vCard into contacts

2008-07-24 Thread Roland Mas
Maciej Piechotka, 2008-07-24 11:58:03 +0200 :

 On my previous phone I had large collection of the contacts (email,
 phones etc.). I've exported it by gammu to the vCard format. How to
 import them into OpenMoko Contacts?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts

Roland.
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Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?

2008-07-23 Thread Roland Mas
Cédric Berger, 2008-07-23 14:10:44 +0200 :

 (I'm french... I just try not to use too wrong words to describe :-)

I assume you got it from Zagg; were there any surprises such as
customs/taxes surcharge?  I've been caught quite a few times by
interesting prices that turned up not too interesting after the
customs took their toll :-/

Roland.
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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-21 Thread Roland Mas
Andy Green, 2008-07-20 18:50:02 +0100 :

 Thanks for this report, I went and looked and found I didn't take
 care of the case where last packet transferred was not a bulk read
 packet: that what happens on resume.  I added a patch to stable
 branch that should be out tomorrow hopefully and give the same
 SD_CLK performance with or without resumes.

Based on a handful of tests, and without tweaking the new parameter, I
can confirm that the GPS problem seems fixed for me, even after
suspending, even indoors.  Let me get this straight: Andy, you rock.
Others @openmoko: you rock too.  So there.

  Now this gets me wondering whether the Freerunner could sustain an
Openstreetmap editor for realtime map-making :-)

Roland.
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Re: Matchbox Keyboard Layout Change

2008-07-21 Thread Roland Mas
shawn sullivan, 2008-07-21 09:01:26 -0600 :

 Dvorak, here I come!

Er, Dvorak on a touchscreen might be exactly the wrong thing to
do... you don't really want to alternate taps on both sides of the
screen, do you?

  Unless you meant some layout optimised especially for the FR
touchscreen according to the same methods that gave us the Dvorak-ish
keyboard layouts, in which case I'm all in favour :-)

Roland.
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Re: Rules based policy engine

2008-07-20 Thread Roland Mas
Scott Derrick, 2008-07-20 06:45:44 -0600 :

 If GPS position is going to be a phone answering rule you would have
 to have the GPS sub system running all the time. It can't wake from
 sleep and acquire a position soon enough go be part of the
 decision. Not sure what that will do to battery life.

  You could approximate with the GSM cell identifiers.

Roland.
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Re: Special Letters?

2008-07-20 Thread Roland Mas
arne anka, 2008-07-20 16:01:34 +0200 :

 sadly enough i currently have no clue what causes the lack of
 anything non-ascii, would have expected he fr to be unicode driven.

I think it is Unicode driven.  My contacts have some non-ascii
characters in their names, and they display just fine.  I guess the
problem is mostly the input method.

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Re: Import Contacts

2008-07-20 Thread Roland Mas
C R McClenaghan, 2008-07-16 10:35:13 -0700 :

 All,

 I get the following error using manage-contacts.py in the following
 way from SSH:

   python manage-contacts.py load vCards.vcf

[...]

 dbus.exceptions.DBusException:
 org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method addContact with
 signature s on interface
 org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.addressbook.Book doesn't exist

 I have installed via opkg python-dbus per wiki instructions.

Strange.  It still works here.  You do have openmoko-contacts2
installed, right?  You're not using ASU or Qtopia or something?

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Re: Import Contacts

2008-07-20 Thread Roland Mas
Jeffrey Ratcliffe, 2008-07-20 20:13:29 +0200 :

 I have the same problem, and additionally, the dump option runs
 without error, but also without output.

I just tried again, and I managed to get these symptoms when running
the script too soon after a boot.  The second run went on fine.  Maybe
something needs the daemon to be started, and it's not started
initially...

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-19 Thread Roland Mas
Timo Jyrinki, 2008-07-18 13:42:02 +0300 :

 Does anyone else have a reliability problem now with the new
 kernel and GPS when SD card is used?

Am Fr  18. Juli 2008 schrieb Roland Mas:

 I have.  Didn't manage to properly isolate the problem, but my gut
 feeling is that Andy's patch to disable SD when acquiring the first
 fix does only that for, well, the first fix.  *Apparently*, there are
 circumstances where running agpsgui once, getting a fix, exiting and
 restarting afterwards, doesn't result in the FR getting a new fix.  As
 you said, rebooting solves the problem, but suspend/resume cycles
 don't seem to reliably fix it.

Joerg Reisenweber, 2008-07-19 00:26:14 +0200 :

 Sorry! There's *no* disabling of SDcard for FF! 

  My apologies.  I was under the impression that the gist of the
kernel patch was to temporarily switch off the clock for the SD card
reader when it's not in use, and that this was able to reduce
interference with GPS signals, thus helping TTFF.  But I haven't
touched radio comms for years, so I might be completely off.

 Who's talking about suspend/resume cycles, did I miss sth?

  I am.  Since rebooting seemed to have an influence on the problem, I
thought it could help if I tried suspending and report my results.

 Please read the appropriate posts describing the way this patch
 works.  Otherwise, please don't conclude on false assumptions, but
 just report what you observed. Thanks for regarding this, helps a
 lot!

  That's what I was trying to do.  I suppose my wording was not good
enough, and I apologise for that.

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Re: Import Contacts

2008-07-18 Thread Roland Mas
Alexander Lehner, 2008-07-18 04:06:53 +0200 :

 - unicode/UTF8

 I managed to convert vcard fields into proper UTF-8 (from plain
 ASCII).  But it seems to me that UTF-8 conversion is not well
 supported with the basic (python) set-up on the phone. I had to do
 this on my linux host.

  To be honest, the main reason I wrote manage-contacts.py was to be
able to edit contacts on my main computer :-)  I'm frightened enough
by the input method of the Freerunner, I don't even want to think
about entering Unicode characters on it just yet.

 Also, the resulting characters were not correctly displayed in my
 case even though contacts import did not complain (any experience
 here whether display of e.g. german umlaute works?)

  No umlaute here, but I do have some French accented letters such as
é and è and aven one æ, and they display fine.  I even tried typing my
Japanese teacher's name in Japanese, but apparently there's no
Japanese-capable font in OM2007.2 so far.

  While I'm at it: it might be interesting setting a proper locale
name in /etc/profile, so contacts are sorted according properly.  I
did that with export LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, so names starting with É sort
among the names starting with E rather than at the very end.  The
backside of that is that agpsui tries to interpret gpsd's output as
fr_FR, with its decimal separator set to a comma rather than a dot,
and therefore wrong data comes out.  But I suspect that's just a bug.

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Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Roland Mas
Andy Green, 2008-07-18 10:29:54 +0100 :

 Somebody in the thread at some point said:
 | What's wrong with 100's of resumes / day, as long as each one takes no
 | longer
 | than 2~3sec, and is on low power profile?
 |
 | the screen becomes senstive to tapping -- and if your fr is in a place
 | where taps to the screen might occur frequently (say in your bag) it
 will
 | never suspend.

 Touchscreen is not a wake from suspend source, so as you suggest it
 didn't get to suspend to make this trouble.  Answer for that is in the X
 world, giving an easy way to get into suspend immediately if you know it
 goes to your bag.

The scenario, as I understand it, is this:
1. Freerunner gets into suspend (either manually or after some time);
2. Freerunner is put into bag;
3. GSM ping gets the phone out of suspend;
4. Freerunner is still in the bag (and you're walking to/from work),
so its touchscreen prevents further suspends.

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Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Roland Mas
arne anka, 2008-07-18 15:09:01 +0200 :

 is there a way to detect when it wakes? a hook to plug custom
 actions into? 

You might try sticking a script in /etc/apm/resume.d, at least as a
first approach.

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-18 Thread Roland Mas
Timo Jyrinki, 2008-07-18 13:42:02 +0300 :

 Does anyone else have a reliability problem now with the new kernel
 and GPS when SD card is used?

I have.  Didn't manage to properly isolate the problem, but my gut
feeling is that Andy's patch to disable SD when acquiring the first
fix does only that for, well, the first fix.  *Apparently*, there are
circumstances where running agpsgui once, getting a fix, exiting and
restarting afterwards, doesn't result in the FR getting a new fix.  As
you said, rebooting solves the problem, but suspend/resume cycles
don't seem to reliably fix it.

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Re: Calendar

2008-07-17 Thread Roland Mas
Steven **, 2008-07-17 14:56:39 -0500 :

 I believe the command to install it is: opkg install openmoko-dates2

 It works ok.  It's just really slow sometimes.

I gather it's based on the EDS backend.  So, for the obvious question:
can one make that EDS talk to a remote calendar server?  I have a
CalDAV server that I use with Sunbird/Iceowl and Evolution, on both my
main computer and my laptop when I'm away from home, and I'd just
*love* to access it from my phone too.  Any insight would be most
welcome.

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Re: Import Contacts

2008-07-14 Thread Roland Mas
Andreas Dalsgaard, 2008-07-14 14:01:07 +0200 :

[...]

 Take a quick look at the attached import_contacts.py script, it is
 based on Al Johnson modification to Wurps script.

Please pardon my intruding into a thread, I just subscribed to the
list.  I have also worked on contacts management, mostly to allow
myself to fix non-ASCII names in a real editor with a real keyboard.

  The result is the attached script, which improves on the previous
ones in the following ways:

- you can run it through SSH, and it looks for a DBUS session;
- you can dump all contacts to a file (a series of concatenated
  vcards);
- you an reload that file (after having altered it), and it'll update
  contacts when they already exist (based on UID) or create
  new contacts otherwise.

  So, basically:

$ scp manage-contacts.py openmoko:
$ ssh openmoko python manage-contacts.py dump  contacts.txt
$ emacs/vim/nano/gedit/whatever contacts.txt
$ ssh openmoko python manage-contacts.py load  contacts.txt

  As far as I'm concerned (look, I'm a Debian integrist, I'm
*supposed* to care about these things :-), my modifications to the
initial script are subject to the WTFPL.

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#!/usr/bin/python
# coding=utf-8

from __future__ import with_statement

import dbus
import sys, os
import tempfile
import re, string, time

ps = os.popen ('ps auxe | grep -m 1 DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS')
l = ps.read ()
r = re.compile ('DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=(\S+)')
m = r.search (l)
a = m.expand ('\\1')
os.environ ['DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS'] = a

bus_name = 'org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.AddressBook'
obj_name = '/org/gnome/evolution/dataserver/addressbook/file_3a__2f__2f__2f_home_2f_root_2f__2e_evolution_2f_addressbook_2f_local_2f_system'

addressBook = None
def getAddressBook ():
  global addressBook
  if addressBook is None:
sb = dbus.SessionBus ()
obj = sb.get_object (bus_name, obj_name)
addressBook = dbus.Interface (obj, 'org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.addressbook.Book')
  return addressBook

if len (sys.argv) != 2:
  print (Expects a single argument, 'dump' or 'load')
  print (With 'dump', dumps all contacts as vcards to STDOUT)
  print (With 'load', loads vcards from STDIN)
  exit (1)

def dump_contacts ():
  # Note: this is a gross hack, but I didn't manage to get getContactList to work
  strings = os.popen ('strings /home/root/.evolution/addressbook/local/system/addressbook.db | grep ^pas-id- | sort -u').readlines ()
  for id in strings:
id = id.rstrip ()
try:
  print getAddressBook ().getContact (id) + \r
except:
  pass

def load_contacts ():
  contacts = parse_stdin ()
  ab = getAddressBook ()
  l = contacts.keys ()
  l.sort ()
  for k in contacts.keys ():
try:
  c = ab.getContact (k)
  print Contact already exists, modifying
  try:
ab.modifyContact (contacts [k])
  except:
print Got error when modifying  + c
except:
  print New contact
  ab.addContact (contacts [k])

def parse_stdin ():
  lines = sys.stdin.readlines ()
  contacts = {}
  cur = []
  index = 0
  for l in lines:
line = l.rstrip ()
if line == '':
  continue
if line == 'END:VCARD':
  cur.append (line)
  seen = ''
  for record in cur:
if record.startswith ('UID:'):
  seen = record [4:]
  seen = seen.rstrip ()
  if seen == '':
seen = 'new-contact-' + str(index)
index += 1
  contacts [seen] = string.join (cur, '\r\n')
  cur = []
else:
  if line.startswith ('REV:'):
cur.append ('REV: ' + time.strftime ('%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%SZ', time.gmtime()))
  else:
cur.append (line)
  return contacts

if sys.argv [1] == 'load':
  load_contacts ()
else:
  dump_contacts ()
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Re: Import Contacts

2008-07-14 Thread Roland Mas
Roland Mas, 2008-07-14 15:09:34 +0200 :

 - you can dump all contacts to a file (a series of concatenated
   vcards);

Forgot to mention: that feature uses a gross hack, I'd be happy to see
it cleaned up.  I just didn't manage to find the query syntax for the
getContactList() method.

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Re: Import Contacts

2008-07-14 Thread Roland Mas
smurfy - phil, 2008-07-14 15:30:22 +0200 :

 Please update

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts

 with your new versions, if you need space i could place it @my
 domain (like my first version :D)

Space isn't a problem (I uploaded the script to [1]), but I'm
reluctant to create yet another account on yet another website.  Could
you add the link (and maybe rephrase the text on the article to remove
the thing about running from a terminal rather than SSH)?

  Thanks,

Roland.

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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

2008-07-02 Thread Roland Häder
On Wednesday, 2. July 2008, Marcel wrote:
 Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today!
Mine is canceled by myself today. :( Guess what was the reason...


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Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko

2008-07-02 Thread Roland Häder
On Wednesday, 2. July 2008, Diego Fdez. Durán wrote:
 What's the reason? the delay?
Nope. That would be fine. Low money. :(

 I'm waiting to know when my FR will be shiped from Pulster too.

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Fwd: Re: latest stable rootfs and kernel

2008-06-10 Thread Roland Häder
Doh? It fires up but where is this beautiful desktop wallpaper? Ok, maybe I 
can find it somewhere in the configs. :)

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Re: latest stable rootfs and kernel

2008-06-10 Thread Roland Häder
On Tuesday, 10. June 2008, rakshat hooja wrote:
 A request - can anyone identify the latest stable kernel and rootfs (ASU
 and GTK) for the Freerunner and Neo 1973. I have trying them from 10 june
 backwards and almost all of them crash after booting or cannot make phone
 calls.
The latest stable or official images from daily build host are booting here 
on my qemu. Well, I don't have a real device here and I know there is a big 
difference between the Neo hardware and qemu. :) So if you mean stable then 
you maybe refer to the one were you can see black boots?

Some days ago I had trouble with this combination, qemu + official images from 
build host, it doesn't launch the Enlightment desktop so it returns to the 
console. Even there I was not able to get keyboard focus. :(

Here is the call for the qemu program:


( cd build/qemu  arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm \
-M gta01 -m 130 -usb -show-cursor \
-usbdevice keyboard \
-mtdblock openmoko/openmoko-flash.image \
-sd openmoko/openmoko-sd.image \
-kernel openmoko/openmoko-kernel.bin )


Now, it is booting up. So I need to wait if this Englightment problem turns up 
again. :)

Roland


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GTA - Two models? Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-10 Thread Roland Häder
My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the market 
asks for this:

- An OpenMoko for younger people who need the gaming controls Ortwin is 
mentioning as subject for removal.

- Another OpenMoko for professionals/business/older people without the gameing 
controls but bigger screen. Maybe there is one available? Surely the software 
shipped with this OpenMoko doesn't need include software which requires the 
gaming controls.

Any further ideas? :)

Roland

On Tuesday, 10. June 2008, Ortwin Regel wrote:
 There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is
 really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution
 (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed
 up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but
 size! If the GTA03 get's a new case design, please consider making the
 screen twice as big! Then we are finally at a size were
 two-thumb-typing starts to make sense and even people with bad eye
 sight can benefit from the high resolution (although I'm not convinced
 that second point is a positive one... _). The device wouldn't even
 have to be bigger for this because so much space was wasted in the
 original Neo design. The only handheld I have owned where the screen
 could be called big enough was the Tapwave Zodiac (RIP). If you shave
 off the gaming controls and make it a little thicker, you get a very
 decent phone.
 Also, I suggest concentrating more on the horizontal usage. For
 example, bring the stereo speakers back but add one below and one
 above the display so that they are left and right in landscape. You
 can get a pretty good stereo effect at that distance.

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Audio in qemu?

2008-06-10 Thread Roland Häder
Hi,

I wonder if audio support is available when I build the qemu with MokoMakefile 
and make qemu? Sorry for bad english. :) I'm still improving it. ;)

BTW: I have added --enable-alsa to the configure script because I have ALSA 
here.

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Re: GTA - Two models? Was: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!

2008-06-10 Thread Roland Häder
Ah, thanks for making it clear. :)

On Tuesday, 10. June 2008, Ortwin Regel wrote:
 For the record: I was talking about the gaming controls of my Tapwave
 Zodiac. I realize that this was probably not all that clear from the
 context and apologize.


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Trac down?

2008-06-07 Thread Roland Häder
Hi OpenMoko team,

it looks like your Trac at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ is down?

Roland

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Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors

2008-06-06 Thread Roland Häder
Hi,


On Friday, 6. June 2008, Yorick Matthys wrote:
 Hi,

 I only heard of them today, but they look very promissing:
 - life long warranty
 - free shipping worldwide
Looks like scratch protection. :) But yet another $25 to think about. Okay, I 
order one for my FreeRunner.


 You can find more info on http://www.zagg.com/
 If you search the internet it seems almost nobody regrets having bought
 one.

 Are there other persons interested in buying one?
 (I already know of one)
 We could ask them to make one for the Freerunner.
In general it is always a good idea to put your cellphone or smartphone behind 
some cover. The cover costs mostly lesser than the smart phone so you may 
think about it. :)

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Re: Cleared to start Mass production

2008-06-05 Thread Roland Häder
Hi,

On Thursday, 5. June 2008, steve wrote:
  The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass Production (
 that means running the SMT line without stopping to check stuff every two
 seconds) has been CLEARED TO START.

Is this the mail I have waited for? :D

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Re: Cleared to start Mass production #2

2008-06-05 Thread Roland Häder
Hi,

On Thursday, 5. June 2008, steve wrote:
  The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass Production (
 that means running the SMT line without stopping to check stuff every two
 seconds) has been CLEARED TO START.

Is this the mail I have been waiting for? :D

Second try without signature.

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Re: Europe Distribution

2008-05-22 Thread Roland Häder
On Thursday, 22. May 2008, Steven Le Roux wrote:
 What about Europe distribution ;). Let's come back to the subject :)

As I have read here in mailing list, TriSoft, Germany will do it.


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Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
On Wednesday, 21. May 2008, Tom Cooksey wrote:
 On Wednesday 21 May 2008 10:19:49 Rod Whitby wrote:
  Holger Freyther wrote:
   To unify our tools we have reduced the number of SCMs to learn from
   three to two. This means we only use subversion and git for now. I have
   moved the Openembedded metadata from monotone to git.
 
  ...
 
   An updated MokoMakefile will, thanks to Rod, follow shortly.
 
  MokoMakefile has been updated, tested by a couple of people, and now
  published.

 I'm trying to build from scratch and get the following:

 ( cd openembedded  git checkout org.openmoko.april-update )
 error: pathspec 'org.openmoko.april-update' did not match any file(s) known
 to git. Did you forget to 'git add'?
I got the same error message here. Something seems to be missing (I'm not 
familar with git).

Roland


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PIN secured?

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
I have already started a discussing in the Wiki about this topic:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Wish_List_-_Hardware#PIN_secured.3F

So what do you think? And does the FreeRunner already have PINs/PUKs to be 
secured against long fingers?

Best whishes,
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Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
Ahhh... Much better. :)

Now let's see if I can run a make update all...

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Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
 Ahhh... Much better. :)

 Now let's see if I can run a make update all...
And thanks a lot.


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Fwd: PIN secured?

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
I have added it to hardware because it could be (maybe) integrated into the 
hardware and shall come up before u-boot launches the kernel.


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Re: PIN secured?

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
On Wednesday, 21. May 2008, Daniel Selinger wrote:

 Afaik PIN and PUK are security mechanisms built into every GSM
 SIM-Card, you also get them shipped with the SIM, not the Phone.
 So i think the Freerunner _has to_ implement PIN and PUK for even
 accessing the SIM in it.

 rgds Daniel
Ahh, okay. I did not know this. :) Thanks for the infos.

Roland


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Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
 For the rest I am in accord to don't press them to ask always when it
 will come out...
When it's done. ;)


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Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
Hi Michele,

On Wednesday, 21. May 2008, Michele Renda wrote:
 When your wife is waiting for a child, I don't think the houseband ask:
 when it will come out? Why it is not already out ? :)

Probably he will not ask it. ;) In my view OpenMoko should take time in 
testing it. And as you can see on the bug tracker they still have to fix a 
lot bugs. I think this is the right link:

--- START --
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?short_desc_type=allwordssubstrshort_desc=product=Debug+Boardproduct=FreeRunnerproduct=GT-OO1+GSM+Modemproduct=MIGRATIONproduct=Neo1973+Hardwareproduct=OpenMokolong_desc_type=allwordssubstrlong_desc=bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstrbug_file_loc=bug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDemailassigned_to1=1emailtype1=substringemail1=emailassigned_to2=1emailreporter2=1emailcc2=1emailtype2=substringemail2=bugidtype=includebug_id=votes=changedin=chfieldfrom=chfieldto=Nowchfieldvalue=cmdtype=doitnewqueryname=order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+timefield0-0-0=nooptype0-0-0=noopvalue0-0-0=
--- END --

(long one!)

A good and complex product needs a lot time to develop, test and test 
again. :)

I don't mind if it takes 2 weeks longer and the people from OpenMoko (Sean for 
example) is keeping us up-to-date. Thats what they can do until it is 
released and ready for beta. :)

Roland


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Re: Qemu image?

2008-05-16 Thread Roland Häder
As far as I understand the logic and the version number: Yes. But I might be 
wrong. :)

On Friday, 16. May 2008, George Brooke wrote:
 Hi people,

 could some one explain this to me,

 Is the OM image that you get when you build qemu with the mokomakefile
 fairly close to the system that will ship with the phone?

 Will the next software update completely replace this with a different
 interface?

 solar.george

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Re: Multi-Level Markting - Is OpenMoko interested in?

2008-05-06 Thread Roland Häder
On Tuesday, 6. May 2008, Stefan Misch wrote:
 Hello Roland,
Hi Stefan,


 while I think that the OpenMoko should get more attention in the media I
 don't think it's a good idea to use all methods you mentioned.
I have just listed possible ways. Taking all ways would be too much and maybe 
wrong. I would vote here for per-sale where you get a percentage or provision 
for helping a company selling their product. It must not be much, maybe 4% ?


 An affiliate program (e.g. via zanox) would be a great idea but forced
 clicks and paid mails are dubious advertising methods at best. IMHO the
 Freerunner should get a more *honest* (in lack of a better word)
 advertising than that.

 Also I think that as long as the software is not end-user friendly it's
 better to stick to word-of-mouth advertising plus technology geared media.
Yes, that's correct. First OpenMoko should make their software stable than 
sell it to the end-user. He/she wants to have a phone and maybe some more, 
not a testing suite. :-)

On Tuesday, 6. May 2008, ramsesoriginal wrote:
 I dont remembre if I already mentioned it or only planned to mention
 it, but i would recommend giving http://zooppa.com/ a look when it
 comes to advertising.
 I think the Openmoko would be a great product for this kind of
 advertisement. Basically its user generatet advertisement. In a really
 funny way.
I will have a look on it for my own purposes, thanks for the link. Can you 
send me directly a referral link? Please not here in list. :)

All the best,
Roland

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Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread Roland Häder
These people are *really* horney on a free phone... ;-) Just the result of my 
watching this list. :) I can wait here long thats not the problem.


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Re: Buy the Neo fra Norway

2008-04-16 Thread Roland Häder
350 EURO + 5 EURO for shipping and handling to me as a german citizen. They 
are from Germany so I don't know if they sell to Norway as well and under the 
same conditions. So maybe higher SH price. :/

Order together with many people as you can get. And yes, get their money 
first... ;-)

Roland

On Wednesday, 16. April 2008, Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
 Hei
 I have heard that only people from Asia and US can buy from OpenMoko
 And that people fra Europe have to buy from trisoft.

 The problem here is that trisoft is selling it for 399€

 I do NOT know if this is true or correct

 Is this true?


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Re: Official Reseller

2008-03-22 Thread Roland Häder
On Saturday, 22. March 2008, Edwin Lock wrote:
 Hello World, Hello Steve!
 Considering that Neo Freerunner phones can be preordered now at TRIsoft[1]
 I (and several others) are wondering if TRIsoft is the official reseller
 for Europe? This question has arisen because Christian Pulster has claimed
 that an agreement between TRIsoft and OM inc. is non-existant[2] and bases
 his status of an official reseller on a press release[3].
 The question is: Who is correct? Has there been an agreement? Or is this
 just another case of miscommunication?
 I would be pleased to get an official answer from an employee.
 Regards,
 Edwin Lock

 [1] http://trisoft.de/openmoko
 [2]
 http://forum.golem.de/read.php?23925,1258538,1258538#msg-1258538(german)
 [3]
 http://forum.golem.de/read.php?23925,1258538,1259049#msg-1259049(german)

Hello,

I have phoned with them some minutes ago - a german free-call number - and 
they told me exactly that thing. So I can hope that I will hold a freed 
cellphone at last in my hands - surely for beta-fixing and testing.

For my person to say, I use cellphones not so intensive for phoning. I prefer 
landline instead. So it is okay for me, that it has some alpha/beta-bugs. :)

All good work out there! :)

Regards,
Roland


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Re: Official Reseller

2008-03-22 Thread Roland Häder

 given the intentional lack of a date from Openmoko officials I am a bit
 confused by the certainty of the date TRIsoft is advertising.

 [cutted]

 Apparently this does not work reliably. I just tried that (at ~17:00CEST)
 with the number 0800 8757638 in Germany and have been told that there is no
 connection for this number (Keine Verbindung unter dieser Telefonnummer).

Hmmm, I tried the venity number 0800-TRISOFT and they where there...

From my previous mail it was, as I said, some minutes ago. Maybe they have 
just setup the number?


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Re: Official Reseller

2008-03-22 Thread Roland Häder
On Saturday, 22. March 2008, thomasg wrote:
 @Jan:
 Of course there is no connection for this number - the number is 0800 87*4*
 7638.
Oh, I didn't realize it so quickly. My phone has letters under the numbers 
printed.

Anyway. Let's see what the future delivers to us... :D


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Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-03 Thread Roland Dreier
 The bulk of the press release discusses the hardware features of GTA02,
 of which you are all well aware.

Actually I do have one question coming from the press release -- it says:

  FreeRunner will come in two versions: a 850MHz tri-band and a
900Mhz tri-band.

Does this mean that OpenMoko has officially committed to a US 850MHz
version of GTA02?  Will this version ship at the same time as the 900MHz
version?

Thanks,
  Roland

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Re: GTA02 processor speed

2008-01-03 Thread Roland Dreier
 Gizmodo quotes an Open Moko press release and mentions that the GTA02 has a
 500 MHz processor -

 http://gizmodo.com/339965/openmoko-launches-neo-freerunner-open+source-smartphone-for-the-masses

Yes: the original official press release on business wire
(http://www.businesswire.com/news/google/20080103005343/en) states
that the device will have a faster 500MHz processor.

I would also be curious to know if this is a typo or if it really is the plan.

 - R.

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Incorrect UPS tracking numbers?

2007-08-07 Thread Roland Dreier
I just got my Your order has shipped! email (yay!), but the UPS
tracking number included showed a package signed for by Mike (not my
name) in San Ramon, CA, (not where my address is).  Did that happen to
anyone else?

Since I'm also in the San Francisco Bay area, I'm hoping my package
will already be delivered too when I get home

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