A new open source hardware: TV-B-Gone
(should be posting this to hardware, but not sure of how much people are reading it :) ) the inventor of TV-B-Gone decided to opensource his greatest invention: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/11/patentbgone_inventor_mitc.html nice move :) PS: can we have IRDA on GTA0n? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
A new open source hardware: TV-B-Gone
(should be posting this to hardware, but not sure of how much people are reading it :) ) the inventor of TV-B-Gone decided to opensource his greatest invention: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/11/patentbgone_inventor_mitc.html nice move :) PS: can we have IRDA on GTA0n? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
strange ML behaviour
hi, sometimes I get a bunch of bugtracker related emails directly in my inbox. However I totally unscubscribed from this ML. Can someone from openmoko check my subscription status within trac? I never used it, but I feel I get messages from it without requesting it. thanks sl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: UMA anyone?
Hi, The answer is no, at least as long as Openmoko's phones use the current TI Calypso modem. This is because UMA requires hacking in the GSM firmware itself. But the firmware has to be certified and will never be open source so that it can be modified. The only possibility would be to get a GSM firmware and hardware that support a way of hooking so that the appropriate software can be implemented in the modem. Also, UMA authentication requires running the GSM A3/A5/A8/cant-remember in the sim, and this facility is not provided by the AT sim commands in the modem. Outside the modem, it's only a matter of IKE and IPSec. (Yes, I did my master degree internship on UMA, and I investigated how to do it on Openmoko ;) ) SL ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery crazy?
And still you can't assume consumption will be constant on a sub-second time scale... It would be more user friendly to report a remaining time based on an average consumption. 2008/10/13 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:30:22PM -0400, Joel Newkirk wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:35:48 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is with Om.2008.9 + opkg upgrade: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts# cat /proc/apm 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x00 0x00 77% 974 min [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts# cat /proc/apm 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x00 0x00 77% 974 min [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts# cat /proc/apm 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x00 0x00 76% 1158 min [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts# cat /proc/apm 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x00 0x00 76% 623 min [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts# cat /proc/apm 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x00 0x00 76% 843 min [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts# cat /proc/apm 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x00 0x00 76% 843 min [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts# cat /proc/apm 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x00 0x00 76% 843 min [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts# cat /proc/apm 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x00 0x00 76% 843 min [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts# cat /proc/apm 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x00 0x00 76% 2003 min Should I be worried? Rui I'd not think so. The estimated time remaining varies because your 'recent' power usage varies between checks. If GSM or wifi start requiring more power than before to maintain connection, for example, or backlight usage varies, etc, then the estimate will change according to recent usage. (I'm assuming those weren't invoked immediately after one another, but that some time elapsed between checks - regardless, only the estimated time is acting in any way unexpectedly - remaining capacity seems to be pretty consistent and presumably fairly accurate) I know it wasn't timestamped, bu these were consecutive readings, perhaps within less of a second between each... I'm not using wifi, no active call, not anything... Rui -- Frink! Today is Sweetmorn, the 67th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR adapter - shocking experience!
Just guessing, FR power supplies blocks are really high-tech ones if they contain a usb-powered 230V power inverter in the same package :-D to get 5VDC from 230VAC you need at least a transformer and a diode bridge + low voltage capacitors, or a step-down hasher like desktops/laptops power supplies. but, to get 230VAC from 5VDC, you will first need 5VAC with an oscillator, then a step-up transformer :) This is not something you'll find on a standard power supply plug :) Also, the shock would not be the same if you had been shocked with a normally operating 230v supply (I mean the amount of energy absorbed by your body) :) this is more likely to be a capacitor effect. There are some on the 230VAC side of all power supplies, to filter EMI. and a coil cannot store potential, it's a capacitor job :) a coil regulates spikes et reacts to transient voltages only. for DC current, a coil is a simple wire. sl 2008/10/9 Thorben Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] It might be a case of the transformator working in reverse: A small voltage applied to the usb output leads to a high voltage at the prongs. This could also be caused by a capacitator on the low voltage end, but I am not sure. Just guessing here. However, if you were to touch the prongs the moment they were out of the socket, the coil could still hold some potential to shock you. Also just guessing. Thorben 2008/10/9 Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, this morning, I pulled the FR adapter out of the (230 VAC) socket, and accidentally touched one of the prongs. I experienced a short shock. Is there a capacitor in there that can do that? It was fully out of the socket when I touched it! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
IIRC android needs a armv5 Instruction Set and the FR has a armv4 one. maybe google will change this in the future? or maybe gta03 will have an armv5 cpu? at least, now, on the freerunner, it's not possible. sl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
pfff... this rant is pointless. Do you prefer to see unterminated but promising software NOW, or finished, not evolving software in LONG future? buggy software is just a way to non buggy software. At least you can see what is done now. If you don't like it, go back to your iphone/windows vista, and wait for bugs to be corrected without even knowing about them. Moreover you can't say you haven't been warned: Openmoko is a work in progress. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
It's easy to blame an announcement. Openmoko NEVER said any software realeased as now was 100% ready for daily customer use. When it will become, be sure the announcement and publicity will be far greater than anyone we had up to now. Keeping hope is good, but expecting what was never promised is disappointing, yes. For my part I will always encourage the GREAT team work that comes out from this community/open company association. Keep up the intense work, Openmoko! Sebastien ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 - Was Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on theFreerunner?
+1415 :) 2008/8/13 Gilles Casse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Le mer 13/08/08 07:51, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: Please issue it when it's READY and not on 2008.9.9 at 09:09:09 just for the fun of it. It depends on expectations, all respectable; some people are also interested in providing feedback for alpha releases. And it is good : I feared at a moment that the OM community could just be exclusively a community of consumers. So why not a next _alpha_ release on 2008.09.10 at 11:12:13 :-) Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Congratulations Harald!
Yes, I saw this yesterday. Congrats too! Sebastien. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Hi, A single word: thank you all OM guys to share with us your internal schedule. We all have to be patient and understand that things not always run as planned. And weeks have only 5 days :) Working for a software company implied in large projects, I know what this means :) It's great that you share with us this manufacturing status, please keep us updated on future steps. I guess we would all love to know the outcomes of these PVT rounds. Sebastien. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Further details of theprocess as we ramp up production of Freerunner
/me hopes a quick answer from Michael I'm OK to rebuy a PVT prototype, even if it has a defect somewhere :) Just to say I have one of the prototypes ! And what is climatic testing? Put a phone under a shower and measure how long it takes to die? :) Sebastien ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: VoIP+IAX Program Theory for OM
Hi all, Not really the main subject of the thread, but let me recall that UMA is not possible on OpenMoko, since it requires direct access to the internals of the GSM modem (SIM access and others). http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-September/010575.html Moreover, at least in France, it's forbidden to use 3G data links to transfer VoIP steams. Just because it would be cheaper than voice plans, I guess :) Sebastien ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Access Linux Platform SDK released
This one is based on GTK http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9619/access-linux-platform-sdk-released/ What do you think of this? I'm worried about interoperability. There are a number of different Linux platforms now, but nothing guarantees applications will be easily portable across them. So I feel everyone is reinventing the wheel for every application! Is this really the case? seb ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
(keeping [EMAIL PROTECTED] and communitylist in the loop) Hehe, This is totally understandable. :) We will explain to you the best as we can. If you want to make a korean keyboard with a key for each letter then you'll need a keyboard with... (sit down before next line) ... 11,172 letters, ie from \uAC00 to \uD7A3 + 24 single letters or jamos ! see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul#Syllabic_blocks Of course there is a special method. The korean keyboard layout is a single qwerty, each key with a jamo (single letters). The 11172 syllabes are made of combined jamos , and a state machine can be used to track which keys have been pressed, and how they have to be combined. See my previous messages for an explanation. However when I searched the Internet for my use, I did not find a lot of information on this, so I did the research. About you soft keyboard, I think the problem can be solved with the use of plugins, ie a method that takes keystrokes and outputs characters. For European scripts, the routine will be quite trivial, but for other scripts, this is needed. With such plugins, we can also imagine support for other complex scripts such as chinese or indian or whatever. An input method will then be made of an XML file describing the layout, and a .so to hold the key-character translation algorithm. Sebastien 2008/2/7, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please forgive me for not putting much thought into the problem before. I'm really only familiar with European languages none of this work is in my area of expertise. I have started some reading on IME and other input methods. I'll have to think about the issue and what extensions would eventually need to be made. Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: The idea behind what I started is that you can make a soft keyboard with any number of rows keys. Each key could be assigned any arbitrary utf-8 value. If more symbols are needed a file can be created describing another keyboard layout with additional keys. Maybe it's impractical to have a key for each character place them all into different keyboard layouts. Any insight to the problem and how keyboards are typically used/configured in Korea would be appreciated. Even though I would be unable to do localization, I could try to rethink the current design to further meet international needs. Sébastien Lorquet wrote: Hi, nicely done, this program is complementary with what I did! But a Korean IME engine will require additions to your program, it's not only a matter of xml layout. Maybe a plugin system that receives key presses and emits characters. Basically it's a state machine that will read latin letters and output korean letters according to combinations. I have a small keypress stack and a ~60KB next states file. for example, you type b a and you get a ba syllabe as a single Unicode character. Not to mention we will need to add a korean font in the neo. I'm happy with this project. I'm OK to help, if needed. Sebastien -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
Sorry for the imprecision, and thanks for the correction. I spoke too fast. The backtracking should be trivial to implement with my prototype. I'm cleaning it a little before giving it to you. I'm also concerned with copyright. Is there any patent problem with this input method as with T9 (for mobiles) ? What I made is reverse engineering. I plan to release it under GPLv3 to be protected from software patents, will this be useful? What do you think? Sebastien. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
for what I recall, backspace starts by removing *letters* from the last syllable, then entire syllabes. Moreover, hitting a directional key like LEFT RIGHT or any key that changes the caret position terminates composition of the current syllabe. In fact, when you type, the currently composed syllabe appears in blinking inverted video, and a SPACE or the end of possible composition (ie, no more letters can be combined into a valid syllabe) terminates the sequence. At this point, the real syllabe is displayed normally as a unicode character and composition starts again. I noticed that in some editors where this blinking character cannot appear (e.g. in a cmd.exe console), the current combination is displayed in the corner of the current window in a small frame. Writing a complete spec is a good idea ;) seb ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
Hi, I have absolutely no idea on how to develop IM methods on OpenMoko, but one day I tried to implement a hangul IME for Windows CE. It's based on the one from windows XP IME2002, ie type tpqktmxldkd to get 세바스티앙. The UI does not work yet, but the internal state machine is OK. It's written in C. I don't know if you worked on this part but maybe it can help... (and what about copyright issues? :( ) Sebastien ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
First time I will publish a bit of my personal work... wow! :) Find here my notes about implementing the algorithm to turn jamos to han syllabes using IME 2002, reverse engineered from a number of keystokes ;) consider it's under CC-BY-SA, and not totally public domain as i've spent a bit of time on it ;) -8--- notes about understanding IME2002 algorithm Sébastien Lorquet, July 2006 Published under CC-BY-SA === Now I have (22:14) [EMAIL PROTECTED] core]# make run [EMAIL PROTECTED] core]# make run ./core ../../data/hantree.dat File size is 58226 bytes , mapped @ 0xb7f25000 Init ok, please type chars, exit to quit d stack len=1, contents=[d] currnode=0 , 33 childs searching char [d]...qQwWeErRtTyuioOpPasd-found state=3147 nxtoff=36828 out= temp disp: [3147] ㅇ h you typed h, len is 1 stack len=2, contents=[dh] currnode=36828 , 14 childs searching char [h]...yuioOpPh-found state=C624 nxtoff=37890 out= temp disp: [C624] 오 t you typed t, len is 1 stack len=3, contents=[dht] currnode=37890 , 19 childs searching char [t]...qwerRt-found state=C637 nxtoff=0 out=C637 temp disp: [C637] 옷 output: [C637] 옷 h you typed h, len is 1 stack len=4, contents=[dhth] currnode=0 , 33 childs searching char [h]...qQwWeErRtTyuioOpPasdfgh-found state=3157 nxtoff=0 out=3157 temp disp: [3157] ㅗ output: [3157] ㅗ here is the main bug of my basic method: i'm not using the stack correctly. a single vowel is not allowed. I should have cut the syllabe before. What to do PUSH d- [d] - sequence found, possible output ㅇ PUSH h- [dh] - sequence found, possible output 오 PUSH t- [dht] - sequence found, possible output 옷 PUSH h- [dhth] - sequence NOT FOUND - last (ㅗ) is a vowel, cant be alone. - output 오 - keep th in the stack - [th] - sequence found, possible output 소 PUSH f- [thf] - sequence found, possible output 솔 PUSH d- [thfd] - sequence NOT FOUND - last (ㅇ) is NOT a vowel, CAN be alone. - output 솔 - keep d in the stack - [d] - sequence found, possible output ㅇ PUSH l- [dl] - sequence found, possible output 이 PUSH v- [dlv] - sequence found, possible output 잎 etc... YAY IT'S OK eat sth then implement that here is the result (00:16) [EMAIL PROTECTED] core]# make run cc -I../../include -c -o himecore.o himecore.c cc himecore.o posix_main.o -o core ./core ../../data/hantree.dat File size is 58226 bytes, mapped at 0xb7f61000 Init ok, please type chars, exit to quit d stack len=1, contents=[d] sequence found current state:ㅇ h you typed h, len is 1 stack len=2, contents=[dh] sequence found current state:오 t you typed t, len is 1 stack len=3, contents=[dht] sequence found current state:옷 h you typed h, len is 1 stack len=4, contents=[dhth] last entered char is h This is a vowel 2 chars remaining on stack new stack: stack len=2, contents=[th] current state:소 output: 오 f you typed f, len is 1 stack len=3, contents=[thf] sequence found current state:솔 d you typed d, len is 1 stack len=4, contents=[thfd] last entered char is d This is not a vowel 1 chars remaining on stack new stack: stack len=1, contents=[d] current state:ㅇ output: 솔 l you typed l, len is 1 stack len=2, contents=[dl] sequence found current state:이 v you typed v, len is 1 stack len=3, contents=[dlv] sequence found current state:잎 8--- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
some more notes: - this is exactly the behaviour of IME2002 engine, at least what can be *observed* on a korean windows xp computer - as you can see, there is a state that should be displayed somewhere, and a output that is not generated regularly. - for the curious, I tested the algorithm on my girlfriend's name, whose syllabes are perfect for a last-vowel test :) Seb ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Input Method Development
(sorry for the multiple messages) I am also highly interested by a mobile phone-like korean typepad, but I've never seen one, and I don't know how it works. My idea is to have some common code, and a set of frontends that could be ported either to OpenMoko, Windows Mobile, and possibly others. Seb ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity
One of the dumbest tax we have here France is about multimedia hard drives, defined as an external hard drive (with usb) with a video output connecting to a tv without the use of a computer. There is a tax on these devices. But no (or less) tax on raw HDDs And no tax on empty hdd racks with video output. http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/41360-remuneration-redevance-copie-privee.htm(sorry, in french) :D sebastien ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: digital compass modules
I'm not sure a magnetic sensor is useful when you have a GPS, because a GPS can give you a heading as soon as the measured velocity is not zero! However I think it's possible to calibrate a magnetic sensor so that it forgets its close magnetic environment and is only sensitive to the intented magnetic signals. The magnetic environment is stored as a fingerprint and is then substracted to the raw measurements to get a correct value. Sebastien ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko on hx4700
Hi all, I managed to build OpenMoko with MokoMakefile for hx4700 (make setup, change machine to hx4700 in local.conf, make openmoko-devel-image, all went fine). Then I tried to run it. I lauched the kernel with haret, and booted from an ext2 256 MB SD card (a rootdelay option is needed on the kernel command line) So, this gives me a wince-openmoko dual boot :) With the 624 MHz pxa270, the speed is fine, kinetic scolling works like a charm, and the whole UI is very reactive :) but... The problem is, hx4700 has no GSM modem, while openmoko keeps searching for a network. So I get a full list of status messages at the bottom of the window, that are very annoying. Do you have any idea to remove them? I tried to stop /etc/init.d/gsmd, but it's not running. I guess I have to stop a gsm status applet, but I don't know how to do this. Here is an example: http://www.yaronet.com/mirari/BQ69 : Not searching blocks displayed at the bottom of the screen. Do you have any idea on how to map the hx4700 power button to the openmoko shutdown/suspend command, so that I can save battery life? I'll ask questions on the handhelds-hx4700-port mailing list too, but I need to know how buttons are managed in OM before I ask them how to achieve this ! Ah, last problem (and a minor one), at boot up I see on the fb console that some jffs2 mount operation is not happy with my flash (of course, it's full of wince and not jffs2 :) ) . I guess this is an init script trying to mount some inexistent partition. Can I disable this? Here is the screenshoot: http://www.yaronet.com/mirari/1RMS Cowardly refusing to erase blocks... fine, I didn't loose my wince image :D Thanks! -- Sébastien LORQUET ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko on h5550 (was OpenMoko on hx4700)
Basically building for another handheld is just a matter of kernel+drivers. OK not really but... You should give a try! Change your local.conf to h5500 and run the build! There are some information here: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH5000 2008/1/18, Fabian Off [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jan 18, 2008 11:58 AM, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I managed to build OpenMoko with MokoMakefile for hx4700 (make setup, change machine to hx4700 in local.conf, make openmoko-devel-image, all went fine). If it it possible to build OM for hx4700, may it be also working on h5550? I know there is a config file in OE for h5550, so the same procedure should work on it, too. Several weeks ago, I tried the same on my iPaq, but I wasn't able to run OM. So, my question is: Can anyone confirm OpenMoko runs on h5550? Of course, there is a lot to be done for the Neo itself, but before buying one I'd really like to test OpenMoko using other ways than QEMU. Thanks alot Fabian Off -- Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? Versuchen Sie´s mit dem neuen Yahoo! Mailhttp://de.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40593/*http://de.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/landing.html. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko on hx4700
2008/1/18, pHilipp Zabel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Sébastien, On Jan 18, 2008 11:58 AM, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I managed to build OpenMoko with MokoMakefile for hx4700 (make setup, change machine to hx4700 in local.conf, make openmoko-devel-image, all went fine). Then I tried to run it. I lauched the kernel with haret, and booted from an ext2 256 MB SD card (a rootdelay option is needed on the kernel command line) So, this gives me a wince-openmoko dual boot :) With the 624 MHz pxa270, the speed is fine, kinetic scolling works like a charm, and the whole UI is very reactive :) Congratulations. but... The problem is, hx4700 has no GSM modem, while openmoko keeps searching for a network. I think it is the openmoko-dialer2 doing that. I edited the file /etc/matchbox/session or something like that and removed the gsm applet. This is now ok :) So I get a full list of status messages at the bottom of the window, that are very annoying. Do you have any idea to remove them? I tried to stop /etc/init.d/gsmd, but it's not running. I guess I have to stop a gsm status applet, but I don't know how to do this. Here is an example: http://www.yaronet.com/mirari/BQ69 : Not searching blocks displayed at the bottom of the screen. Do you have any idea on how to map the hx4700 power button to the openmoko shutdown/suspend command, so that I can save battery life? I'll ask questions on the handhelds-hx4700-port mailing list too, but I need to know how buttons are managed in OM before I ask them how to achieve this ! Doesn't it work when you press the power button for a long time? OpenEmbedded already had a patch to neod to do that: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/openmoko2/neod_svn.bb http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/openmoko2/neod/ipaq.patch and since revision 3348 it is contained in upstream neod. Oh yeah sorry, I did not push long enough :) The menu shows up, but nothing happens when I hit shutdown. update: after a few seconds I get an openmoko splash screen with a scolling bar, that scolls, stop, and nothing more ! update2: after more time I get some kernel console messages saying tmpfs is busy update3: nothing happens after this. The kernel+his console are still alive, and no shutdown occurs. This item is for the hx4700 mailing list, I think. Ah, last problem (and a minor one), at boot up I see on the fb console that some jffs2 mount operation is not happy with my flash (of course, it's full of wince and not jffs2 :) ) . I guess this is an init script trying to mount some inexistent partition. Can I disable this? Here is the screenshoot: http://www.yaronet.com/mirari/1RMS Cowardly refusing to erase blocks... fine, I didn't loose my wince image :D Try removing the line containing jffs2 from /etc/fstab. Ah thanks, it was trying to mount mtdblock3 /home . No more jffs2 warnings. regards Philipp ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'll try usb networking this week end. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM Card Copy
I don't even understand how it's possible to register to the network with a different Ki! 2007/11/29, KISS Attila [EMAIL PROTECTED]: AFAIK, the duplicate SIM cards are not equivalent cards. They have different IMSI and different Ki code. Only the network's configuration bind them to the same phone number. Theoretically you could have a dozen of them, but usually only one is allowed to receive the calls. This should clarify the questions regarding chances of hacking the Ki code by obtaining multiple cards to have more chances before lockout. (Those limits are so low on som SIMs, that they died after 2-3 years in hands some of daily traveling business mans:-) ) It also explains that the operator will always be able to trace every single SIM card by IMSI, if they want. So, don't be too happy with second SIM cards. They really help you only when you have a second outdoor phone and don't like to swap the SIM every time you go to mountains.. Atlasz SIM cards are smartcards. They can not be copied by design! The only way to duplicate a SIM is to hack it. No idea if and how far that is possible. But it is certainly not legal. Ask your provider for a duplicate SIM. Many providers will give you multiple identical SIM if you need them. (At least here in germany) Cailan Halliday wrote: I just had an idea that I got from a couple of devices, how about a virtual SIM card? Is it possible to make an ISO of a SIM card and store it in the Neo to be, for lack of a better word, booted from? I've seen devices like these: http://www.thetravelinsider.com/phones/simsaver.htm http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/9ca8/ This could replace the idea of having multiple SIM card slots, this way you can have multiple carriers on your phone without the need for more slots. -Cailan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ Potrebujete vediet, ake pocasie bude na Slovensku aj vo svete. http://www.msn.sk/weather ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4??
sometimes RTFM is a good answer... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02#.22Phase_2.22_.28GTA02.2C_.22Mass_Market.22.29 * 802.11 b/g WiFi * Samsung 2442 SoC * SMedia 3362 Graphics Accelerator * 2 3D Accelerometers * 256MB Flash * 1700mAh Battery * Faster CPU - S3C2442/400 * LEDs illuminating the two buttons. 2007/10/23, Andreas Utterberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes im sorry, i meant the GTA02 :-) and by release date i mean when its available for ordering. I realy want to have a neo, but want to wait for the 02 since i have heard something about nov-dec? is that correct? Is it big differences in specs and looks of the GTA02 and the now available neo? /Andreas U On 10/22/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Community Hi, welcome! When is the exact release date of GTA01Bv4? The new Neo phone Do you mean the GTA02? There is no announcement yet. And just for my curiosity: how do you define exact release date? a) the first announcement that you can order b) the first device did leave the production line c) the first real shipment has started d) the first owner has it in his hands? -- hns ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andreas Utterberg Thundera AB ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 drawings
Ah, I checked. My version of SolidEdge can export objects to: - IGES (*.igs) - ProductVision (*.jt) - ACIS (*.sat) - STEP (*.stp) - ParaSolid (*.x_b,*.x_t) - XGL (*.xgl) - EMS (*.ems) - STL (*.stl) - VRML I have no idea of wether these formats are interesting for you or not. Google SketchUp may be a good alternative here. 2007/10/21, Eric Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I wrote: If this doesn't happen before next wednesday, remind me and I'll measure up one of my GTA01s with my digital micrometer. I happen to be 1000km from it this weekend (my micrometer not my neo :-) Robin Paulson wrote: Hi eric, have you been able to make any progress measuring the case for your neo1973? Hi Robin, I have, but haven't completed everything yet. I've got a bunch of measurements taken, but to be honest my digital micrometer has an accuracy of 0.01mm but I don't have the caffeine-free patience to get anything to more than 1-2mm at the moment. I have started some sketches/mockup in a free version of Google Sketchup. If I can't get any farther this week, I'll put up what I have finished so far. -E ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible to add OpenMoko to the email title
Well... Just follow wiki instructions to start developing an image. Program's sources are automatically downloaded, so you'll just have to browse the development tree to read the source code ! You'll find that openmoko software is developed like standard linux software, so learning how to compile a package for 'plain' linux should be a good starting point... -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible to add OpenMoko to the email title
You will notice that this person is using hotmail... He will probably read his mail with the hotmail's webmail... I feel sorry for him :( David, switch to gmail or other serious provider, hotmail won't display well on the Neo :) 2007/10/19, Clinton Ebadi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David Shanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suppose this is directed to the list moderators/admins. I was wondering if there is a way to have openmoko or some list descriptor like community added in front of the subject of the emails sent out by the list. It would make sorting my emails much simpler, as right now i'm forced to sort my mailbox by hand daily. -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 drawings
i assume solidedge can output in some friendly, non-proprietary format? eh eh eh... not sure... At least jpeg/png is OK :). I hope it can do DXF or something like that. I'll check this evening. Sébastien LORQUET Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dev mess
I don't know how to achieve it, but there should be a stable integration branch somewhere to avoid the risk of breaking everything at every svn commit... from openmoko and from other projects... Maybe a stable-srcdates thing? 2007/10/9, Thomas Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Kero, First off, perhaps you can explain a bit more about what you are trying to achieve with your set up. There are pre-built images available from buildhost.openmoko.org. Could you describe the problems with libgsmd and gsmd in a bit more detail? If you find the Neo1973 is completely locking up, then it is likely your Neo1973 is set up to multiplex the gsm and serial port. This can be disabled by editing a parameter in u-boot. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: cheap international roaming/wi-fi calls
Hi, I guess they use VoIP and doesn't provide seamless handover... do they? I didn't find this information. -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: VMWare-Image (again)
Hi all, Sorry, I was busy and saw this message just today. I'm currently downloading the new image, and I will provide a new torrent ASAP (even if few really use it!) 2007/8/28, George Barta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: New .rar image is now available at http://www.gcbdev.net/openmoko/OpenMoko_VMWare_2007-AUG-26.rar On 8/26/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I think it could be the right time to provide updated VMWare image with OM 2007.2 I have previuos one and I'm still trying to update it but OM does not compile because 15GB is not enough space! Now I resized vmdk to 20GB and in couple of hours I may finally succed. Anyway, could you make another image with OM 2007.2 so that newcommers would not have to deal with resing images and compilation by themselves? I could seed it as ussual ;) cheers cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: VMWare-Image (again)
When DNS propagation is complete, both images will be available at http://mirrors.unsads.com/openmoko 2007/8/9, Eric Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ubuntu does not use a root password. User: openmoko Pass: openmoko Let me know if you have any problems. I will attempt to help when possible. I am in the process of buying a new place and moving, so I might not answer right away. -Eric - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 3:56:51 PM Subject: Re: VMWare-Image (again) I just downloaded it from http://openmoko.montgoss.com/ whats the root password? thankS! If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image that I made several months ago. A few people have downloaded it, and I am not sure how well it works for actual development. I was able to compile everything using MokoMakefile and run the qemu image it produced. -Eric - Original Message From: Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:56:38 AM Subject: Re: VMWare-Image (again) There is QEmu images at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ OpenMoko_under_QEMU . QEMU is a generic and open source machine emulator and virtualizer: http://www.qemu.org/ True, but answers the wrong question. The question is whether there is a virtual machine image of an entire configured build system, similar to the one for the Neuros OSD. AFAIK the answer is no. I was going to make one using qemu and ubuntu, but other things got in the way and I won't have the time again before September. This isn't much help I know, but I'm doing just this - setting up a Parallels image for GP2X developers - for the GP2X handheld gaming console .. maybe I should consider merging openmoko into the same image while I'm at it .. probably a good idea .. j. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: VMWare-Image (again)
At the moment, I don't kown what amazon S3 is. The tracker is up and running now at http://tracker.unsads.com. I uploaded a test torrent. I don't think all is working now, but you can have some tests. Normally (if all is OK), I'm seeding this one (it's vmware server downloaded from their site) I tested bittorrent-curses under linux, but it didn't work because this is not a gzipped file. i need to understand this problem clearly. When resolved, I will be able to seed 24/7. This is a good experience for me, I'm learning how to run a tracker... useful and educative at the same time ! But, why not asking openmoko.org to host official torrents? We could have various devel environments (debian based, fedora based, your-distro-here-based) , and regular releases of official images. Just a suggestion... 2007/8/8, Nick Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why not upload it to Amazon S3 and use that as a seed? The costs should be minimal if it's just used to seed BitTorrent, and it's a lot easier than doing it yourself. -Nick On 8/8/07, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now it's 38% downlaoded. I found a PHP tracker (TorrentTrader), but it's designed for mysql 4. hope this will work with my mysql 5. (I won't downgrade) Do you know any PHP tracker? I found this one, but maybe other are better ? I knew PHPBT that was nice, simple, fast, but it seems to be unavailable now :( 2007/8/7, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED]: let us know if you put this up on bittorrent... I'll help seed On 8/7/07, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to create a minimal build host with a fedora. I can copy your file to my server, if I can download it somewhere. We can share it via bittorrent, too. 2007/8/7, Eric Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image that I made several months ago. A few people have downloaded it, and I am not sure how well it works for actual development. I was able to compile everything using MokoMakefile and run the qemu image it produced. -Eric - Original Message From: Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:56:38 AM Subject: Re: VMWare-Image (again) There is QEmu images at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ OpenMoko_under_QEMU . QEMU is a generic and open source machine emulator and virtualizer: http://www.qemu.org/ True, but answers the wrong question. The question is whether there is a virtual machine image of an entire configured build system, similar to the one for the Neuros OSD. AFAIK the answer is no. I was going to make one using qemu and ubuntu, but other things got in the way and I won't have the time again before September. This isn't much help I know, but I'm doing just this - setting up a Parallels image for GP2X developers - for the GP2X handheld gaming console .. maybe I should consider merging openmoko into the same image while I'm at it .. probably a good idea .. j. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: VMWare-Image (again)
Okay the first image is bitorrenting at: http://tracker.unsads.com/torrents-details.php?id=3 I'm currently seeding and leeching we'll soon have 2 seeds! Please contribute if you feel this is useful :) I will deal with the other one in RAR format within hours. Don't hesitate if you have other openmoko-related bigfiles to share. cheers -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming with the Neo
I love that thing ! It seems far easier to use than on-screen buttons! 2007/8/7, Mario Wewer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyone of you ever saw something like this? http://www.amazon.de/Handy-GamePad-Bluetooth-Smartphones-Pocket/dp/B000H8TQSM/ref=sr_1_57/028-7732093-9147747?ie=UTF8s=ce-deqid=1186487069sr=1-57 I just found this solution on the german Amazon-Page... Seems like a VERY CHEAP alternative (~25€) to use the Neo as a gaming-platform... (connected to the phone via bluetooth) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: VMWare-Image (again)
I'm planning to create a minimal build host with a fedora. I can copy your file to my server, if I can download it somewhere. We can share it via bittorrent, too. 2007/8/7, Eric Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image that I made several months ago. A few people have downloaded it, and I am not sure how well it works for actual development. I was able to compile everything using MokoMakefile and run the qemu image it produced. -Eric - Original Message From: Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:56:38 AM Subject: Re: VMWare-Image (again) There is QEmu images at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ OpenMoko_under_QEMU . QEMU is a generic and open source machine emulator and virtualizer: http://www.qemu.org/ True, but answers the wrong question. The question is whether there is a virtual machine image of an entire configured build system, similar to the one for the Neuros OSD. AFAIK the answer is no. I was going to make one using qemu and ubuntu, but other things got in the way and I won't have the time again before September. This isn't much help I know, but I'm doing just this - setting up a Parallels image for GP2X developers - for the GP2X handheld gaming console .. maybe I should consider merging openmoko into the same image while I'm at it .. probably a good idea .. j. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: VMWare-Image (again)
Now it's 38% downlaoded. I found a PHP tracker (TorrentTrader), but it's designed for mysql 4. hope this will work with my mysql 5. (I won't downgrade) Do you know any PHP tracker? I found this one, but maybe other are better ? I knew PHPBT that was nice, simple, fast, but it seems to be unavailable now :( 2007/8/7, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED]: let us know if you put this up on bittorrent... I'll help seed On 8/7/07, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to create a minimal build host with a fedora. I can copy your file to my server, if I can download it somewhere. We can share it via bittorrent, too. 2007/8/7, Eric Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image that I made several months ago. A few people have downloaded it, and I am not sure how well it works for actual development. I was able to compile everything using MokoMakefile and run the qemu image it produced. -Eric - Original Message From: Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:56:38 AM Subject: Re: VMWare-Image (again) There is QEmu images at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ OpenMoko_under_QEMU . QEMU is a generic and open source machine emulator and virtualizer: http://www.qemu.org/ True, but answers the wrong question. The question is whether there is a virtual machine image of an entire configured build system, similar to the one for the Neuros OSD. AFAIK the answer is no. I was going to make one using qemu and ubuntu, but other things got in the way and I won't have the time again before September. This isn't much help I know, but I'm doing just this - setting up a Parallels image for GP2X developers - for the GP2X handheld gaming console .. maybe I should consider merging openmoko into the same image while I'm at it .. probably a good idea .. j. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko future.
(This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel) hello, I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :( Targetting geeks only will never help to make OpenMoko known. Even if our resources are limited, I think we should interest other firms in opensource, to show them the benefits of such technologies. Of course we can't compete with big phone makers, but there is no reason to be afraid of that. Why no distribution deals with carriers? Why not targetting the normal phone market, even if it's a long term goal? Setting such goals will help to motivate developers, It's far more challenging that only for openwrt guys. One important point is reputation. If openmoko is known to be a geek phone no one else will get interested in it. Others developers will comment by themselves. -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
