Re: Broken Screen
cc'd community. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Matthias Stone matthias.stone.li...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Long story short: Went to party (took freerunner) Played physically rough games at party. Broke freerunner screen. Now, I've actually come to love this device over the last seven months, and am more interested in fixing my current device than purchasing a new one. So I was wondering: 1. If it's possible to just puchase a new screen if not then 2. If anyone has a broken freerunner they're currently interested in selling for ~$150, with a working screen. if not then 3. If anyone has a used freerunner they're interested in selling for ~$200. I'd rather not get stuck with two of them, but I can still ssh into my current one (lets be honest, it's a sweet, open device, screen or no screen) I currently live in Edmonton (Alberta, Canada), but have a mailing address in the USA I can use if that helps. Thanks, Matthias Stone ___ support mailing list supp...@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: State of OM/Freerunner
OM has done vertical stack integrations for Dash before, and their device is pretty neat. I assume: A) You'll want a different piece hardware B) You'll write a totally new frontend on top of FSO. You really shouldn't have any problems On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:28 PM, wim.delv...@adaptiveplanet.com wrote: Hi all, I have been 'following' - admittingly - from a distance the dicussions on this list. As till now i have not found a CLEAR (!) overview over the current state of the freerunner and its software stack(s). In fact scanning through the 'issues' on the list it looks as if things are not really workable at all. However knowing lists and the things ppl. try with the device, this view might be overly negative. What I would like to see or be pointed to is a web page or YouTube movie or what not that shows what WORKS and with WHICH environment (OM, QT, Android, ... ). We are looking for a device that could be used in a professional context. I.e. the device would be preconfigured for its purpose and no 'regular' end user would need to 'configure' anything. So could somebody point me to a place I could read that is CURRENT and allows me to get a good (non-kernel, non-hardware, ...) overview over how usefull FR is could be in the above situation. Thanx W ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what tests for (non working) 3G SIM?
This assumes you've turned on your modem already... A bit more detail: kill -9 `ls -l1d /proc/*/fd/*|grep ttySAC0|cut -f3 -d/|grep -v self` echo 0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on #Yes, do it twice... Ignore errors you see on the GUI... kill -9 `ls -l1d /proc/*/fd/*|grep ttySAC0|cut -f3 -d/|grep -v self` echo 0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on cat /dev/ttySAC0 echo -en 'AT\r' /dev/ttySAC0 echo -en 'AT+CGMR\r' /dev/ttySAC0 kill %1 #paste ALL of the output of this when you send an e-mail complaining about GSM firmware issues. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sargun Dhillon wrote: When reporting broken 3G SIMs please give us the output of: r...@om-gta02:~# cat /dev/ttySAC0 r...@om-gta02:~# echo -en 'AT\r' /dev/ttySAC0 r...@om-gta02:~# echo -en 'AT+CGMR\r' /dev/ttySAC0 +CGMR: HW: GTA, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal_amd8_ts0-Moko10 r...@om-gta02:~# kill %1 -Thanks Sorry I should have said my phone is a bit confused and the command cat /dev/ttySAC0 returns immediately as done so there is no output from the other echo commands. I'll reflash the phone and see if I can get some sense out of it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmAI+IACgkQXlbjSJ5n4BCo/gCfXrAOFKIKYe0Q39tzBo9ej8Eu QsEAoMI4RnhEDW5nHEeOGNU4drdR6Ibd =3MNb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what tests for (non working) 3G SIM?
When reporting broken 3G SIMs please give us the output of: r...@om-gta02:~# cat /dev/ttySAC0 r...@om-gta02:~# echo -en 'AT\r' /dev/ttySAC0 r...@om-gta02:~# echo -en 'AT+CGMR\r' /dev/ttySAC0 +CGMR: HW: GTA, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal_amd8_ts0-Moko10 r...@om-gta02:~# kill %1 -Thanks On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Syntichakis wrote: Hi, As I see the SIM from 3mobile (UK) is not working with the GTA02v6 (running SHR unstable). Should I run any debugging tests (just for your info..)? If so, what can I do? Chris 3mobile Ireland SIM doesn't work in the GTA02v05 either. Haven't had a chance to look into it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl/GLQACgkQXlbjSJ5n4BDU6wCghFfOp4GoRVJXL++EgY65M0W0 ea0AoNxKMKVvi+kd5F4+C5nWjuX9WWCF =NRjg -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what tests for (non working) 3G SIM?
I assume you've put moko10 on there? On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Chris Syntichakis ch...@c-64.mobi wrote: Hi, As I see the SIM from 3mobile (UK) is not working with the GTA02v6 (running SHR unstable). Should I run any debugging tests (just for your info..)? If so, what can I do? Chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/what-tests-for-%28non-working%29-3G-SIM--tp2220544p2220544.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what tests for (non working) 3G SIM?
Read the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing Good luck, I wish you godspeed. :-P On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Chris Syntichakis ch...@c-64.mobi wrote: err.. you mean the gsm firmware? no.. should I put this? chris Sargun Dhillon wrote: I assume you've put moko10 on there? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/what-tests-for-%28non-working%29-3G-SIM--tp2220544p2220693.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IPv6 for minimo
Installing debian would be one. I use Debian with v6 regularly. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: Hi All, I use IPV6 and minimo doesn't seem to support it. Is there a way to get ipv6 working with it? Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner corrupts dhcp forwarding of Linksys WRE54G wirelessrange extender
It's not the freerunners fault. Don't blame it. Your forwarding device is obviously crap... On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us wrote: On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:38:08 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Jan Vlug jan.pub...@famvlug.nl writes: Resetting the WRE54G by unplugging it fixes this problem. I am surprised by this behavior because in theory, the WRE54G should only forward network packets... Can you capture the network traffic to file and put it online somewhere? It would be useful to see both the working and non-working case. Indeed this is odd. A traffic cap from the DHCP server would be quite helpful, if it's capable of that. If it's a linux box, then tshark -i eth0 -f 'udp port 67 or udp port 68' -w dhcpsniff.cap should stuff full packets into the designated file - alter the interface designation as needed. The resulting file will be a binary capture that can subsequently be opened and analyzed by tshark and wireshark, among other programs. It'd be good if you could capture samples of: A successful DHCP request from a PC. The successful DHCP request from the FreeRunner. A failed DHCP request from the same PC once the FR request has processed. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Multiple internet connections
So, this is probably better for the support list, but, what you're talking about is possible. Also, university is useless, getting yourself kicked out may actually be useful. Howto: Create two routing tables echo 20 gprs /etc/iproute2/rt_tables ip route add default via $PPP_ENDPOINT dev ppp0 table gprs ip rule add from $PPPADDRESS lookup gprs then keep the other routing table in place, you can manipulate that without knocking out your PPP connectivity. On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Leonti Bielski wrote: Hello! Is it possible to use multiple internet connections on Freerunner at the same time? There are several possible ways depending on circumstances. Bridges, routes or iptables rules could all do this to some degree. Now would be a good time to start reading linux networking howtos and documentation. Say I want to use ssh via GPRS, and all other programs via WLAN or usb. Is it possible? I think it could be done with packet marking and some interesting iptables rules. If you know what ports the app uses then it would be easier. You probably don't really want to do this though. Real life example - in my university we have very good unlimited WiFi, actually 2 of them. In my dormitory room I have connection limited by proxy (no torrent :(). What I want to do is to leave my FR at school at some place safe, connect it to wall charger, insert 4GB memory card in it, and turn on gprs connection. Then I would go home, log in to my phone via GPRS, then connect to WIFI and start downloading some stuff via torrent on my memory card. Neat :D If you know your home IP address, or address range, you can set the default route to be via wifi, but the route to that address or range to be via GPRS. There is a problem though; with the telcos in the UK the GPRS connection is usually on NAT, so you can't actually ssh into the phone over GPRS. You could probably get the phone to initiate an openvpn connection to your home and keep the connection open though, and you could then ssh in over the VPN. Or you could make a standard modem-style GSM data call to the phone and use screen to keep your session running when you end the data call. BTW this would probably violate several points of your university acceptable use policy, and in some places would be enough to get you kicked out. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Offer to write some neat programs for the Freerunner
So, I want to start my Freerunner development back up. I was thinking of a few different Apps to write, please give your comments (Tell me what you want): A) Assassin game A game where you can 'kill' other Openmokos, it would like Via Bluetooth/Wifi. This would mostly be a gimmick based off of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin_%28game%29 B) Open Source Push Everybody has heard of Push, right. This whole Push E-mail, Push application notification. I was basically playing with the idea of writing a push framework for the Freerunner. People could write apps that would be triggered by emails, weather changes, etc. C) Traffic monitoring, and call management This idea entails that when you are driving at high speeds on the roads, it'll put your phone into a silent profile mode. It could also setup call forwarding/allow an SMS to come in that would unlock the freerunner's mode, in case of emergency call. Now one thing, I'm planning on charging for these apps. A tiny bit, but still a bit. I need the cash. So, tell me what do you guys want to buy first? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Offer to write some neat programs for the Freerunner
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:58 AM, Alexandre Franke alexandre.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Sargun Dhillon xbmodder+openm...@gmail.com wrote: B) Open Source Push Everybody has heard of Push, right. This whole Push E-mail, Push application notification. I was basically playing with the idea of writing a push framework for the Freerunner. People could write apps that would be triggered by emails, weather changes, etc. Have a look at Tinymail, seems like it already does that. http://www.tinymail.org/ -- Alexandre Franke ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Tiny mail is query based, or pull. That means it eats up more batteries than a push based system, also it is not a general purpose push framework... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Offer to write some neat programs for the Freerunner
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Jos vd Snepscheut j...@snepscheut.nl wrote: Hello Sargun. Yes I have a few programs I would like to pay for a little (as I did for windows) 1) a keyboard, yes yet an otherone, like Touchpal. See http://www.CooTek.com. TouchPal is an innovative soft keyboard on Windows Mobile platform, powered by T+ input technology. Why TouchPal? It's Cool! Flow your keyboard by sweeping with your finger! Switch between three layouts: T+, Full-Qwerty, 9-key PhonePad. Resize your keyboard anytime! It's Easy! Big buttons. Finger friendly. Up to 300 chars/min, faster than your hard keyboard! Input puntuations, numbers and uppercase letters without view switching It's Smart! Powerful mistyping correction Clever prediction based on context Predict next word It's Innovative! T+ technology. Predictive + Precise. Word association Super big dictionaries (40,000 English words, 140,000 French words...) It's Customizable! My Sentences with parameters (e.g., See you in X mins) Customizable emotion symbols (e.g. :-o, ^_^) You can develop your own layout or language pack with SDK tool. 2) My agenda on my Desktop just like alarmToday see http://www.pocketmax.net starting apps and turning on/off wifi bluethooth is already don by Openmokopanel 3) Make Openmokopanel better, less cpu and mem, possibility to make it lager (my eyes are getting less) This are my 2 cents (willing to pay a little bit more =^D, see price's an the website's above. payment by paypall??) hope this is wat you want, Greetings, Jos. Sargun Dhillon wrote: So, I want to start my Freerunner development back up. I was thinking of a few different Apps to write, please give your comments (Tell me what you want): A) Assassin game A game where you can 'kill' other Openmokos, it would like Via Bluetooth/Wifi. This would mostly be a gimmick based off of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin_%28game%29 B) Open Source Push Everybody has heard of Push, right. This whole Push E-mail, Push application notification. I was basically playing with the idea of writing a push framework for the Freerunner. People could write apps that would be triggered by emails, weather changes, etc. C) Traffic monitoring, and call management This idea entails that when you are driving at high speeds on the roads, it'll put your phone into a silent profile mode. It could also setup call forwarding/allow an SMS to come in that would unlock the freerunner's mode, in case of emergency call. Now one thing, I'm planning on charging for these apps. A tiny bit, but still a bit. I need the cash. So, tell me what do you guys want to buy first? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Offer-to-write-some-neat-programs-for-the-Freerunner-tp2108659p2108818.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Sorry, I'm not a desktop developer. I stay far away from complicated GUIs, otherwise I might end up with something like this: http://www.jensroesner.de/wgetgui/#screen. ;-). Maybe someone else can pickup your idea, and fly with it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Offer to write some neat programs for the Freerunner
IMAP IDLE is not a push mechanism... SMS is a push mechanism. Something that doesn't require the FR to be out of suspend mode before a push... Also, tinymail is designed around e-mail messages, and isn't designed as a general purpose push mechanism. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Graeme Gregory gra...@openmoko.org wrote: Tiny mail is query based, or pull. That means it eats up more batteries than a push based system, also it is not a general purpose push framework... Not so true, tinymail will use IMAP IDLE if available and that is a push mechanism. Graeme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
I don't care for 3G. GSM is a crappy technology here in the states (I blame the implementors). We have flat data rates for a variety of reasons. Additionally, why are we expecting 3G from OM, they are having a hard time getting a phone right. Why are we holding them to the same standards as Apple, HTC, etc... Apple can't get 3G in the iPhone for two years. Their hardware staff is probably a thousand times bigger than the 2 guys working on mokoforesight right now. (Based on the assumption they have 2000 people doing hardware, including vendors, and contractors. Give OM a break. Please On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Milos Mandaric mi...@manda.com.ba wrote: U Uto, 23. 12. 2008., u 20:24 -0800, Sargun Dhillon je napisao/la: Quick thing, what are you guys calling 3G. EDGE is considered 3G by the terrible company by the name of Apple, but as a CDMA (EV-DO) user, I consider UMTS/HS?PA as 3G. Please clarify. -Thanks. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Milos Mandaric mi...@manda.com.ba wrote: U Sri, 24. 12. 2008., u 15:02 +1100, Ben je napisao/la: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory. You should mention what country you're in, as you can see, it makes a big difference. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I live in Bosnia and here there is no 3G, so I don't need it at all! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When I am talking about 3G, I am thinking about UMTS/HS?PA. I have EDGE. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: merry christmas
There are female OpenMoko users? Where? :-P In a slightly more politically correct way: Happy holidays! (It's only 15:47 here, PST8PDT) On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Marc Verwerft marc.js.verwe...@gmail.com wrote: You 2 (and everybody else also) May the new year bring loads of fun and applications to OpenMoko! Cheers guys (and girls) On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Carlo Minucci ge...@napodano.com wrote: merry christmas (now in italy is 00:00) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Man, I really don't care for 3G. I don't know if the GTA03 is going to be slated on a production-quality phone, but for development purposes, and as a device which I can use as a general purpose embedded projects base, 3G doesn't matter. If I want data speeds, I'm going to veer away from GSM, as GSM speeds will not touch CDMA providers (at least in the USA). I'd like a user-upgradeable model, but in the end it doesn't really matter. I'd prefer a cheaper, better quality phone, that comes out soon. On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net wrote: rakshat hooja wrote: I am talking about GTA 02 and people who already own it and need to use 3G. GTA 02 does not have 3G built in sorry if if this was not clear in my mail Rakshat Sorry, thought you were suggesting it as a get-out-of-jail-free for OM and 3G on the 03. If you need it now then sure, that might be an idea. Personally, my focus on the FR is having a phone that works... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Stage-of-GTA03-development--tp1664400p1758082.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Quick thing, what are you guys calling 3G. EDGE is considered 3G by the terrible company by the name of Apple, but as a CDMA (EV-DO) user, I consider UMTS/HS?PA as 3G. Please clarify. -Thanks. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Milos Mandaric mi...@manda.com.ba wrote: U Sri, 24. 12. 2008., u 15:02 +1100, Ben je napisao/la: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory. You should mention what country you're in, as you can see, it makes a big difference. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I live in Bosnia and here there is no 3G, so I don't need it at all! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Does OM even sell that many units? I thought it was more in the 3-5k range as of now. The Telit module would be nice, but is quite expensive. I've also looked at Sierra, but all their modules are MiniPCI based. One of the neat things about going with a Telit module, would be OM could ship with the 'low-end' modem (GSM/GPRS/EDGE, maybe?), and it would be user-upgradeable to a 3/3G/CDMA module. Additionally, if Telit puts out new modules in the future, we could just purchase those and stick them in our phones. It'd be nice if OpenMoko resold them at a discounted price of course :-). I understand the antenna problem, and RF issues. We would have to figure out a way to make that work. For now: I am very happy with the choice of the mc75i. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:50 AM, Justyn Butler justynbutler+openm...@googlemail.com wrote: This is all very interesting (and sad, of course). 2008/12/22 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: less than 1/3 the cost. as best i know anyone selling pre-made 3g modules so you dont have to set up your own production is charging in the range of $100-$300 per module (depending who you go to and the volume you buy). this is where someone developed the module (did what nokia/apple etc. do) and now re-sell their work. 1-offs i have seen for sale for $250 or so for a 3g module. buy in bulk and you get a discount of course (thus the $100-$300 range). and the fewer suppliers in between the better. The Telit UC864-G mentioned on the MokoForesight page is a global 3.5G module with built-in GPS. I don't know of it's actual suitability for OM. http://www.telit.com/en/products/umts-hsdpa.php?p_id=14p_ac=showp=14 This company, Round Solutions, sells it: http://www.roundsolutions.com/uc864.htm And they have a price list: http://www.roundsolutions.com/pdf/Price-Modules-GSM.pdf Which lists it at €145 for 100-500 quantity. That is around US $200. Clearly very expensive. But the quantity we are talking about Openmoko buying is at least an order of magnitude larger, so I wonder how much below $200 the module could be bought. And it does integrate the GPS chip (a small saving there though). Anyway, I thought some people might be interested in a solid example with pricing. It is costly, that is for sure. I'd still be interested to see how much the UC864-G costs when buying in bulk of 10K. Can anyone else find figures for this? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
Most Linux users, or most users that this device is aimed at are intelligent enough to do a ip addr add 192.168.0.200/32 dev usb0 ip route add 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 This will only make two addresses on your network inaccessible. Then you can SSH into it, and change the IP address. This takes a whole 5 minutes! It'll make you miserable to not have connectivity, I understand, but just handle it. We've finally standardized on a set of IPs, and -everyone- is happy with it, except a few individuals who don't know how to use their system. Please stop complaining. -Thanks On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Tilman Baumann til...@baumann.name wrote: One word. zeroconf Oh, it is two words zeroconf and bonjour www.zeroconf.org/ PS: As fallback for DHCP of course. Esben Stien wrote: Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*? This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in the world and of course this means problems. If your network is configured with this IP range and you pop a freerunner in, it of course cause a world of pain. Please choose a more sensible default. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
The OpenMoko FreeRunner was never aimed at end users. It's always been aimed at developers, and if you don't know how to set routes do a man ip or ip help. There are a fair chunk of those developers who don't have the IP overlap issue. I'd say there are maybe 1000 active freerunner users, and maybe 60% of them have an overlapping IP. I counted how long it takes to change the IP (on debian) (including adding routes, setting link up), and it was about 45 seconds. That's a total of 7.5 man hours world wide. Installing active desktop, and all the other crap for my palm phone takes 20-35 minutes--way longer. Anyways, I'm just saying 7.5 global hours isn't very much when you're considering mass market smart phones probably soak up millions of hours a year. Additionally, 7.5 is NOTHING, especially when there are 6.5 billion people in the world. Stop yer whining. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Am 18.12.2008 um 19:50 schrieb Sargun Dhillon: Most Linux users, or most users that this device is aimed at are intelligent enough to do a ip addr add 192.168.0.200/32 dev usb0 ip route add 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 This will only make two addresses on your network inaccessible. Then you can SSH into it, and change the IP address. This takes a whole 5 minutes! It'll make you miserable to not have connectivity, I understand, but just handle it. I read the discussion as the request to avoid the situation completely (spend 0 minutes) instead of handling it. Saves 1 people 5 minutes each, i.e. 34.7 days. And, you have forgot that learning how to do that takes more than 5 minutes if you are not an experienced sysadmin. We've finally standardized on a set of IPs, and -everyone- is happy with it, except a few individuals who don't know how to use their system. Hm, I always thought that the FR is aimed at the *mass market* Not for the 0.01% of individuals (i.e. PC users worldwide) who know by heart how to set IP routes... Just my 2ct. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] How to make a beep in C++/Qt
Please don't send HTML e-mail to list. Just add a sound with an annoying enough beep and use the proper FSO calls to play it. On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Michael Tansella michael-tanse...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, how can I make a simple beep in C++/Qt? neither the Ascii commands printf(\a) or cout \a nor the Qt command QApplication::beep () seem to work. Do I have to change the volume settings for that? Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
That's a pretty neat device. TCP/IP offload anyone? Or Push on the modem? Also, are we expecting any updates from the page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 Are the prototype boards available to the public? On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com wrote: Il 17/12/2008 00:28, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer ha scritto: Cinterion mc75i If someone need, here the specifications: http://www.wmocean.com/cinterion-siemens-mc75i/1007431/datasheet_scalableplatformmc75itc65itc63i_175016.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ATT sim 71234G 3022 not working in FR
Do 2 first. It's easy, cheap, useful, and who knows what else it will fix? On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Rajendran Thirupugalsamy rajendran.thirupu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, My ATT sim 71234G 3022 is not working in Neo Freerunner. This sim is shown as working one in the link. (My sim exactly resembles the one listed as working) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards#Working_and_not_working_AT.26T_card When I use a 71234O 4122 sim card it is working. What are my options now ? 1. sim card seating: As specified in a number of places I am still trying to reseat the sim and somehow make it work http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT 2. GSM flashing as in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing I am not sure it will work as I have a new Freerunner. 3. Cheap gsm sim cards: Any cheap simcards that have high possibility to work ? and options where I can buy. -- Regards, Rajendran.T ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips! A5/A6 rework. Corrected URL
Joel, any update on this? On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us wrote: I'm going to talk to the guys at work tomorrow and show them the rework PDF - we are equipped to make this fix, could probably offer it inexpensively to those nearby (southeastern North Carolina) or those willing to ship. (among other things - like security systems and internet services - we repair handheld radios and wireless broadband networking gear, including replacing BGAs and more mundane SMD components) I'm betting we have the resistors on hand, would probably need to order a hundred or so of the caps. I'll post back here if the answer is positive. We're located in Hamlet NC, near Ft Bragg, but we're gearing up to offer repairs nationwide for specific wireless networking gear, so shipping and processing of customer repair items in/out is forthcoming anyway, this is just a different board with a much simpler fix to be performed, I'm just not sure they'll be interested in offering it as inexpensively as I'd like. j On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:29:32 -0800, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: If guys raise there hand to help others out I'll come up with a program to help them out/ reward them. If you are willing to raise your hand, drop me a mail. st...@openmoko.com Sargun Dhillon wrote: Very cool. Now, all the hardware hackers out there who want to make a buck to fix our Free runners, raise your hands. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Probably best to send the requests directly to Joerg. Vasco Névoa wrote: I'd really like pictures with better focus and a little more light... especially the last one, which is very blurred! Citando Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com: Sorry, I pulled the old copy. See below SOP paper (draft3, 2008-12-10 19:00) placed here: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf Please have a look and report on any mistakes or things that need improvement. Thanks jOERG Neil Jerram wrote: 2008/12/10 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com: The DRAFT fix for the buzz problem is here: CP of joerg's mail. http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT!!__.pdf I'm getting 404 for this URL. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about Openmoko
Those are subsidized prices. Sometimes you can get them used for $99. I never buy used phones as they usually are broken. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:20 PM, mike wmichaeltr...@yahoo.com wrote: ok, with all the old smartphones going on sale unlocked for as low as $99-$149, how soon can i buy a moko for $99 (i'd prolly take three) mike --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com wrote: From: Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com Subject: [openmoko-announce] Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about Openmoko To: annou...@lists.openmoko.org Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 3:33 AM Dear Community The other day I was working on a year-in-review letter when Minh (the incredible community update author) ask me if I would be willing to answer questions about community matters. I would love to! was my response. What a relief, I thought to myself, as I was seriously stuck trying to find the right words to describe all that happened in 2008. So if you're interesting in taking part in this interview, please send your questions to Minh. Nothing is off limits. Your questions will help me immensely as I review what we have experienced and what meaning it holds for us moving forward. Happy holidays to all. Sincerely, Sean PS: Below is Minh's original post: --- From:Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date:Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:43:13 +0100 Subject: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters Dear friends, Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general topic is Openmoko, the community, past-present-future, but yours truly will select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. Minh PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
I already bought 4 Freerunners. I don't really think I'm getting many more. Now tell me, what's next? On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Tuesday 16 December 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:13:39 +0100 Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com babbled: I don't think closing such information (which is not any dangerous inside info) would be a good policy for a company which main goal is creating an OPEN phone ;) Some of the questions like availability and price are not important to me because I'm not going to buy it anyway, but I'm interested in specifications :D actually - it makes sense not to be open. why? you cannibalise sales on the freerunner as people go ooh.. ok. i'll just wait for gta03 instead of buying gta02. so it's bad business to go parading around your next gen device while you still sell the existing one (before the next gen is for sale). :) Depending on the feature set that can cut both ways. It could also be a case of I was going to wait for gta03, but I absolutely can't have a phone with a camera so I may as well get gta02 now for example. A must have for one person can be a deal breaker for another. I pick the camera as an example as I used to work on a site where cameras weren't allowed, but keypads and screen resolution have polarised opinions before too. I'm still waiting for the Psion 5 form factor with modern guts ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Changes on org.freesmartphone.frameworkd
What about all the existing FSO consumers? Is there any way in DBUS to provide a compatibility layer? Additionally, what if we need to operate the modem's power independently of the resource (things like if you have a thread that restarts the modem when there is an exceptional condition). How will these work? On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@openmoko.org wrote: Am Monday 15 December 2008 01:05:37 schrieb Michele Renda: watching the dbus interface on org.freesmartphone.frameworkd I saw there is not more support to the function GetPower and SetPower on GSM (Yes, I remember Steve told to me it had to be removed) and for GPS too. Is still possible to remove power to gps chip? Or I have to simply use the functions Disable / Enable / Resume / Suspend? If it is so, how can I check the status of the power of the chip? Use the resource interface and everything will be handled for you: http://docs.freesmartphone.org/org.freesmartphone.Usage.html -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Happiness
Seconded. Regarding the software: It's awesome, and progressing very well Regarding the hardware: The Freerunner gods must be looking down on me. I've purchased 4 FRs (3 for work, 1 personal). Currently there are two sitting in data centers monitoring our critical infrastructure, one sitting next to my home server, and yet another sitting on my office desk. These devices fill very small niches. Anyways, onto the bad: I have avoided the GSM buzz bug, #666, etc... The only bugs I have experienced are the SDHC card failure (Stupid, crappy glamo, we really should bitch out Smedia..., see below for contact info), and the GSM echo. I gotta say, well done. Keep it coming. Smedia's addresses: 8F., No.1, Jinshan 7th St., Hsinchu City, Taiwan Tel: +886-3-6661166 Fax: +886-3-5670055 Addr :9F,No.233-1, Baociao Rd.,Sindian City, Taipei County 23145.Taiwan. Tel: +886-2-2918-9958 Fax: +886-2-2918-9975 E-mail addresses: market...@smediatech.com sa...@smediatech.com If you contact Smedia, please don't say you have a direct affiliation with the OM project, I'm sure Sean and Steve would not approve. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Greg lun...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hi, With all the recent talk about FR problems I think its a good time to share my recent good experiences. When the kernel with the WSOD fix went into testing I immediately installed a clean image on a 2Gb SD card. I changed the boot params to remove the ro, installed Raster's keyboard, I got rid of the default keyboard, switched to the illume theme, changed the engine to the software_x, and imported my contacts. I've been using it as a daily phone for a week now with no problems. No WSOD (Yay!), no recamping issues, only one caller mentioned echo (their end was loud, so I turned the vol down - sorted). Everything just worked. Sure, the UI seems a bit slow, and answering calls can take a bit of guessing as to when the audio paths are setup, but I'm really happy with it. I get about 60 hours before the battery icon starts to go red, which is not a huge amount, but easily enough to work with. Now I have a phone with a notepad, an ebook reader, a PDF reader, and a GPS. This means I can always take notes, refer to manuals and locate new sites. Since I work for a systems integration company this is great stuff - its like having a toolkit and reference set in my pocket. Oh yeah - it is also a phone :-) Have fun, Greg. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FreeRunner Happiness
Sorry if this double posted guys. I was having issues with Gmail. Well, usually companies like these have huge firewalls before you hit someone with a respectable IQ. Though, their phones are slightly more vulnerable. So, who is up to calling them? If I had some amount of donations, I would be willing to create two 800 numbers that redirect to the two known smediatech numbers. The rates would be $0.0415/minute. Additionally snail mail is useful, because it creates a pain in the ass for whoever is filtering the mail. I don't know if there is a Taiwainese equivalent of the BBB, but if there is, please chime in. Other ideas: -Google bomb the name Smediatech to something nasty [like a page about how smedia sucks] -Just a general web page about smedia's suckage. Remember guys, stay legal. On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Yogiz yog...@gmail.com wrote: I really like this idea. I know we can contact Openmoko and sign the NDA to get the data sheet, but it seems to negate the point of free software for me (everything being open and developing as a community). Here http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1505667i40 Wolfgang Spraul feels promises were broken in regards to opening documentation- so our letters of complaint would be valid. If enough pissed off people write in, would they open up the specs? Actually, they will probably just delete your e-mails and trash your mails. I tried: On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:37:27 +0300 *...@. wrote: Hello, I'm writing on this address only because it was the only e-mail contact I found on your site. If it's possible for you to forward it to a more relevant department (management, engineering, design, ...) then please do so. My questions regard your Glamo 3362 chip that is used in my new phone - Neo Freerunner. I'm wondering on the constraints that you have set on the documentation concerning this chip. As you probably know, Openmoko is all about freedom, both in software and hardware. This has managed the company to draw a considerable community around it, many members of it quite skilled in both software and hardware development. I'm not kidding myself with hoping you to make your hardware completely open but I would really care for letting the community have access to the documentation. As I've understood, your documentation is only available under heavy NDA and can thus only be accessed by Openmoko employees. For that reason the potential of your hardware remains largely unused. There are many new ideas that could be made work on the chip and quite a lot of problems that could easily be engineered around if we only had the means to. Unfortunately this is too big of a job for the Openmoko team to do by themselves (which is probably why they decided to abandon the Glamo chip for the next version of Freerunner - GTA03). This is why I ask if there is a possibility the Glamo documentation will be released to the public. What are the problems you expect following this potential action? What are the reasons the documentation has been kept secret for the time being? I would be most grateful if you could reply to these few questions and consider my points for a minute. I'm sure respecting and trusting your customers would open up a completely new market for your exellent hardware. I hope to hear from you soon, I did not receive a reply and reminded them two weeks later. Still haven't got a reply. You're welcome to try though. Perhaps they'll give in once enough of a number contacts them. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.9 GPS Fix some help, please
Find a place about 80 feet from anything higher than the Freerunner. Leave the freerunner sitting for about 20 minutes, and you should be able to get a fix. Also, try to get the AGPS data from ublox if you're using a distribution which does not save the almanac. On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/10 Samuel Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have a new freerunner for a week, and i'm testing software, and dists... This neo already have a capacitor on the sd slot, so i dont have hardware problem with SD card. But sometimes i can get a fix, and i can work TangoGPS with any problem! Other times, i can get nothing... Any solution for this? This can happen on different locations? make sure you're outside, the freerunner is not in a pocket, bag, etc. and that there are no trees/buildings nearby. also, stand still till it gets a fix all these will help reduce time to first fix, after which you can move around, put it in your pocket, and so on, and it will keep the fix i hear manhole covers make good aerials, although this may be a myth - i imagine any large metal object will do the same ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?
This is one of those modular devices, correct? Does this mean there is a chance of being able to swap in a CDMA module? On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It's been quite a while since the MokoForesight page was updated, so I was wondering whether any more research went into the Telit UC864G modem (3.5G with integrated GPS). On the MokoForesight page it says: Detailed documentation on Web. Can get even more documentation from reseller. First impression is good. UC864G includes all known bands and GPS receiver (saves more space complications). Which all sounded quite promising. Did it turn out to be a dead end? Regards, Justyn. ___ devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Bounties?
Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How much would you pay? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
