Re: [reader] Wikireader received
Hi david, Did you see this: http://www.qi-hardware.com/2009/10/17/recent-developments/ I've got some units in. It took a couple days but we have a browser on the device and wikipedia. It was easy when we just decided to use what the open source community had already created. Looking forward to doing other wikimedia on the device since we have color and audio. drop me a line Steve On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 2009/10/19 Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to: I ordered it a few hours after Sean's announcement. It arrived a few minutes ago. It works. However, I was disappointed that it contained no entry for Wikireader. ;-) Was pleased to see it came with nice alkaline batteries, not those cheap carbon ones that eventually fail and destroy the device they came with. But instead, I put in a pair of eneloop rechargeable NiMH batteries, 1.2 volts. Those seem to work just fine. It came with an 8GB microSDHC card. 3.2GB free, plenty of room for more data. Next: Figure out how to hack in a extra button at the top level that takes us to a custom page where we can link in our own personal content... ...and some code to run on my desktop machine, to manage the content of these SD cards... ...thanks, guys, there goes another chunk of my copious spare time... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community envy, a lot of envy :P David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT:Advances on Ben NanoNote and other things (was Re: [reader] Wikireader received)
Thanks David I saw your name and just hit reply. Lets take this to the www.qi-hardware.com list. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:29 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Hi Steve! Firts of all and to not distort the beautifull first blood thread of Doug I have started it in a another one and also maked it OT due in spite is interesting due is about open hardware is not strictly Openmoko related. So after the first intro here we go Yes I have seen this , maybe I'm too much quiet in the Qi Hardware List[1], but I read almost all messages there even those I don't understand about kernel things :), and of course the blog posts, and hey! I also start translating your(our) wiki to spanish :P. So be sure I have more than an eye there. Having GTK over Frambuffer, also see the benchmark , cool! is a great great news, you have open a lot of doors for port already existing apps and to do new developments.Now next step is have QT over Framebuffer too on Openwrt, (if it's not already done yet) and possibilities will just multiply :) Just a point about the envy, is not just to have a wikipedia in your pocket, is for have the device itself :) long time waiting that project B thing , yes geeks have a part of collector , and there is no much commercialized open gadgets out there so any new one is an object of desire. By the way I'm in touch with Wolfgang and Mirko to have one of those first Ben NanoNote and start playing with it and spread the results of the playing to the world, and yes a color/audio version of The Hitchhiker's Gu... sorry Wikipedia will be a cool cool thing :) A lot of beautiful devices will arrive at Tuxbrain soon, at least as sample, Wikireader, Ben Nanonote, Always Innovating Touchbook, Openpandora, and now I have in my hands an awesome Sharp Netwalker(some experiments along with Neo Freerunner soon :P), I wish having three or four more hands to handle all this beauties at once :) but at least they have the size to wear them everywhere. But I have no patience to wait for them without feeling greats amounts of envy when I saw other has the luck to play with them first. I'ts not so bad :) this ugly feeling disappears once the courier knocks my door :) and is fully forgotten once I start sending them to other envious and anxious geeks to calm their hungry of hacking. Steve, I don't know if your are aware about the om-showroom project[2][3], it stills on early stages but I hope in short I will have a test site up an running , I was thinking , due NanoNote is based on Openwrt that is based on ipk packages as is SHR, do a nanonote-showroom will not be so much difficult. I you think is a good Idea I can express it in the qi-hardware list. Just same requeriments as om-showroom, Tuxbrain logo as sponsor, and some classic banner about Tuxbrain products at the bottom ;P, Love to talk with you again on this list, man ;) [1]http://lists.qi-hardware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/developer [2]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! 2009/10/19 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com: Hi david, Did you see this: http://www.qi-hardware.com/2009/10/17/recent-developments/ I've got some units in. It took a couple days but we have a browser on the device and wikipedia. It was easy when we just decided to use what the open source community had already created. Looking forward to doing other wikimedia on the device since we have color and audio. drop me a line Steve On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 2009/10/19 Doug Jones dj...@frombob.to: I ordered it a few hours after Sean's announcement. It arrived a few minutes ago. It works. However, I was disappointed that it contained no entry for Wikireader. ;-) Was pleased to see it came with nice alkaline batteries, not those cheap carbon ones that eventually fail and destroy the device they came with. But instead, I put in a pair of eneloop rechargeable NiMH batteries, 1.2 volts. Those seem to work just fine. It came with an 8GB microSDHC card. 3.2GB free, plenty of room for more data. Next: Figure out how to hack in a extra button at the top level that takes us to a custom page where we can link in our own personal content... ...and some code to run on my desktop machine, to manage the content of these SD cards... ...thanks, guys, there goes another chunk of my copious spare time... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community envy, a lot of envy :P
Re: gta02-core weekly news
Congratulations all around. On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Alvie alvie...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, For your information, (As some of you might already know) I decided to create a blog to post weekly news about the #gta02-core project. Maybe this will attract those that hate emails and reading through email lists, anyway, my idea is to have something like Corbet et. al. do on LWN.net: a pretty much summarized, quick to read, easy to understand, change log of what is happening out there. Blog lies here: http://gta02-core-news.blogspot.com/ If anyone has ideas, suggestions, or wish to contribute in any way, you are (as always) very very welcomed. Best, Álvaro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO core team founds BGB company
Congratulations Mickey. Qi hardware supports your efforts and if there is anything we can do to assist you just let us know. There is a freesmartphone in Qi's future, hopefully sooner than people expect. FSO would be a vital part of that. I'll have mirko add your organizations to our list of links. Steve On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Braunschweig, Germany, 2009-07-29. For immediate release. The freesmartphone.org core-team founds a BGB company to facilitate the further development of free and open source middleware for Linux-based mobile systems: Lauer, Lübbe, Schmidt, Willmann, freesmartphone.org GbR. The core-team members of the freesmartphone.org project today announced the founding of a legal entity offering consulting, training, and implementation services around the freesmartphone.org middleware platform, also known as FSO[1]. We now have a single point of contact for both commercial and non-commercial parties who want to use our services to create compelling solutions. This is of interest for groups or individuals creating new devices or freeing existing devices (anti-vendor-ports) and who decided to incorporate the FSO middleware, says Dr. Michael Lauer, founder of the FSO project. If you care about the further development of this platform or if you need guidance for tailoring or customizing the FSO middleware, contact us via E-Mail at coret...@freesmartphone.org. With todays' smartphones evolving into ubiquituous companions, a gap has emerged between widely used FOSS components like the Linux kernel and core system libraries on one side, and end-user applications on the other side. The lack of a complete free mobile software stack hinders innovation and leads to reinventing proprietary solutions for services middleware. FSO's mission is to close this gap by designing and developing solid middleware for mobile systems in an open fashion; this refers to not only publishing source code under open source licenses, but also to sharing the whole design and development process with the community and giving both commercial and non-commercial entities a way to co-drive and steer the process. Built on top of the Linux kernel, FSO implements high level services for mobile application development, accessible via the DBus interprocess communication standard. Leveraging the FSO APIs allows the developer to concentrate on solving application domain problems, such as business logic and presentation of data, without having to worry about the device specifics and low level details, such as how to access resources, telephony, location awareness, data storage, etc. About freesmartphone.org: Previously funded by Openmoko Inc, freesmartphone.org is a collaboration platform for open source and open discussion software projects working on interoperability and shared technology for Linux-based smartphones. freesmartphone.org operates on the services layer (middleware) and offers APIs and reference implementations that support modern interconnected mobile devices. To provide reference solutions, freesmartphone.org works closely together with various device-specific communities such as the Openmoko, OpenEZX, and HTC-Linux groups. The FSO team honours and bases on specifications and software created by the freedesktop.org community. [1] http://www.freesmartphone.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Exactly, As I've said before people do a dis service to values of openess by these point comparisons between iPhone and everything else. But if that comparison must be made then let the first bullet point be this: Open versus Closed. That said if the goal is to create an iPhone clone with Linux on board then I see these paths: 1. Convince Apple that Copyleft is the way to go for hardware and software. Good chance there. NANNY APPLE won't even let you put adult content on your phone. I spent the day two days ago with a really cool company that signed all apple agreements, developed some VERY COOL hardware to attach to the phone and Apple shut them down COLD.. after they originally told the company that they could develop the hardware. Why? the hardware would fuck with apple's roadmap. thank you Nanny Apple. 2. Build a Copyleft version of the Iphone from scratch. pass me 400Million and I'll get right on it! But you can't just build the iPhone, you have to build what apple will ship 18 months from now to be competitive. 3. Do an Anti vendor port. I support mickey 100% in his anti vendor ports. This is one way to get open software on closed platforms. HOWEVER, by the time the port is done the hardware is obsolete ( by iPhone standards) and more importantly, the hardware hackers are left out. That said I think Mickey's approach is one that people should support with their time and effort. It will bear fruit over time. 4. Take an existing design ( like NanoNote) and over time add capability to it. Start small and simple. Open the design from the start. Allow the hardware community to mod the hardware ( and copy back design improvements) and give the software community a stable but evolving platform to develop on. So. #1. I didn't want to waste my time trying to talk apple into destroying their business. #2. I didnt have 400 Million dollars. #3. Mickey is going down his path. That's one front in the war. Put your efforts behind him. #4. I can start down the long long path of planting a seed and helping it grow. The beginning of that Journey ( #4) happens to be a cool little linux in my pocket. We've been contacted by people who want to turn it into a twitter client or jabber client. Will we do that? I'm not sure. But since the hardware will be copyleft, if SOMEBODY wants to take the design and optimize it for SMS or email, then 1.) the community will have another device with Linux on it. 2) they won't be able to charge outrageous prices. 3 They'll have to copy back the design improvements. When they copy back designs then one can hope for network effects and the long journey gets some momentum. Many are missing the importance and the critical difference that Copyleft hardware brings. If you don't like the fact that nanonote doesnt have a touch screen then, take the design files add a touch screen, copy back the design. If you have money, then get that design built and sell it. Qi-hardware won't complain. Why? because the community will have more choice about what to buy. If somebody, for example, really really thinks that clamshell sucks, then there is a ready solution. take our design, modify and improve it, copy back the improvements, build the thing and let the market decide. In short, I think the only effective way I have of competing on the hardware side is by applying the principles of Copyleft. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:27 AM, john jptmo...@gmail.com wrote: Actually one of the things I would like to do with a NanoNote is turn it into a dedicated Twitter client! I think opinion will always be divided on form factor. I have owned many devices from the Psion Series II through to the iPhone but I still like Zaurus clamshell designs. I also like the idea of a tiny Linux computer in my pocket or even on a key chain. I don't see the progression as trying to compete with the iPhone but to look at new areas such as hackable wearable computing. Thus I am interested in seeing things get smaller and cheaper and more hackable and not getting more shiny! John. 2009/7/24 Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de: [snip] Psion Plc. invent the clamshell and set the top-level of usable keyboard verses form-factor with Series 3 twenty years ago. We are in the SMS/twitter age now. Some vitual keyboard with multi-touch usability is sufficient. People who want to write full sentences buy a pencil with white paper. In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with Linux installed ? Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org
Re: New Open Hardware company
Yes, that would be a great april fools joke. Vintage is very trendy http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10021523-1.html hehe Werner, small keyboards, vi. It's an inside joke. Or rather a hat tip to a good man, great programmer, and founder of OM. On that note, it's not kosher to use this list to discuss OT things. We appreciate and welcome your thoughtful point of view. We've added your projects to our blogroll, so we should continue discussions there On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Am 21.07.2009 um 22:52 schrieb steven mosher: Glad you noticed that Werner. When we went over the keyboard vi was on my mind. So next year on April 1st the company will be relaunched as vi- hardware :) Some corollary: vi = vi-ntage Real programmers do everything in vi (e.g. http://hulubei.net/tudor/humor/programmers.html ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Thanks for your kind words. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.orgwrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:47:47AM -0700, steven mosher wrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Heh, it seems like I'm not in your target sets, but good luck in this venture! :) Rui -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
no touch screen. I've got a post on features coming out tommorrow On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: One thing is not clear to me - does the NanoNote have a touchscreen (in addition to QWERTY) or not? Nikolaus Am 20.07.2009 um 17:47 schrieb steven mosher: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:18 PM, GNUtoo gnu...@no-log.org wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:47 -0700, steven mosher wrote: It would be a great device...It has usb-2.0...wow(I hope it works fine...not like on my bug device( http://www.buglabs.net/ ) where most of the USB device I have work...but not my usb tv card) but...unfortunately it has 320x240 screen and only 32M of ram...ouch...I've a 320x240 screen on my bug device and it's so small...I have problem with some applications...and is not very comfortable to use. Are 32M of ram sufficient for a GUI like illume but without the FSO+SHR stack? But in another hand I saw that there are future devices in preparation...a bit like for GTA01 and freerunner Another problem would be the lack of wifi... We are investigating a microSD wifi card. The driver is GPL. We will let you all know the outcome But wait a second...it has microsd...it would makes a great ogg player... Yes it would. maybe it could do tv too(with USB 2.0 tv card) But I wonder how usable it is as a a general purpose computer By the way will the micro-sd be removable...what would be the costs and the size compared to the openpandora(If I ever buy one I won't use the 3d because it's proprietary,unmaintained(so old kernel) etc...) Yes the microSD is remove able. the size? check the product page on qi-hardware. the price? Depends on peoples reaction. $99 is not out of reach if we hit the right volumes, but for now plan on around $149. And what would be the battery life? Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
opps forgot battery life. Michael shiloh has my unit. When I get some time I'll just test it. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:57 PM, steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:18 PM, GNUtoo gnu...@no-log.org wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:47 -0700, steven mosher wrote: It would be a great device...It has usb-2.0...wow(I hope it works fine...not like on my bug device( http://www.buglabs.net/ ) where most of the USB device I have work...but not my usb tv card) but...unfortunately it has 320x240 screen and only 32M of ram...ouch...I've a 320x240 screen on my bug device and it's so small...I have problem with some applications...and is not very comfortable to use. Are 32M of ram sufficient for a GUI like illume but without the FSO+SHR stack? But in another hand I saw that there are future devices in preparation...a bit like for GTA01 and freerunner Another problem would be the lack of wifi... We are investigating a microSD wifi card. The driver is GPL. We will let you all know the outcome But wait a second...it has microsd...it would makes a great ogg player... Yes it would. maybe it could do tv too(with USB 2.0 tv card) But I wonder how usable it is as a a general purpose computer By the way will the micro-sd be removable...what would be the costs and the size compared to the openpandora(If I ever buy one I won't use the 3d because it's proprietary,unmaintained(so old kernel) etc...) Yes the microSD is remove able. the size? check the product page on qi-hardware. the price? Depends on peoples reaction. $99 is not out of reach if we hit the right volumes, but for now plan on around $149. And what would be the battery life? Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Ouch! So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to position any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large enough trackpad somewhere? There is a 4 way key that can be used for up/down/right/left. etc . And an additional key for up and down. ( or vol+- ) Not sure where you got the mouse idea. What I wonder is how it will compare to this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipit_Wireless_Messenger_(Z2) and its community project - it appears also to be quite open - but not free(dom): http://linux.zipitwireless.com/ And it locks you into a service plan. Not much point in comparing apples and oranges. http://linux.zipitwireless.com/ Nikolaus Am 21.07.2009 um 08:47 schrieb steven mosher: no touch screen. I've got a post on features coming out tommorrow On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: One thing is not clear to me - does the NanoNote have a touchscreen (in addition to QWERTY) or not? Nikolaus Am 20.07.2009 um 17:47 schrieb steven mosher: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
inlined On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.orgwrote: Am 21.07.2009 um 10:52 schrieb steven mosher: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Ouch! So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to position any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large enough trackpad somewhere? There is a 4 way key that can be used for up/down/right/left. etc . And an additional key for up and down. ( or vol+- ) Not sure where you got the mouse idea. That is my own view (TM) what is needed to make it useable. useable as? Have you ever tried to operate a UI with the mouse-pointer paradigm through arrow keys? Yup. Size of the screen plays a role in this as does the application. So I expect that someone needs to write is a complete UI stack for arrow-key-only operation. Plus applications. No compatibility to most FOSS. Unless we restrict the Non-G-UI to commandline and ncurses. not so sure about that. I tend not to underestimate the creativity of software developers. What I wonder is how it will compare to this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipit_Wireless_Messenger_(Z2) and its community project - it appears also to be quite open - but not free(dom): http://linux.zipitwireless.com/ And it locks you into a service plan. Not much point in comparing apples and oranges. Hint: they have approx. 3 or 4 years experience with this device class and users of such devices. And they may have an (economic) reason to offer that with a service plan... Yes, of course. But I think it serves no useful purpose to compare devices that are sold on a different basis for different reasons. Service plans, as we all know, help to subsidize the hardware. So for example, I have to live with my ATT phone for 2 years before I can upgrade it. For me an unlocked feature phone is superior to locked smart phone. Why? because my principles put freedom ahead of technology. Let me put it another way.. What Qi hardware is about is changing the way design is done, just as you encouraged us to.. We start with the NanoNote and then we open that device, the hardware the schematics, the roadmap. So, in essence we are not just selling a device. Not merely putting linux on a device and calling it open. We too are selling a service. That service is open hardware and open roadmap. We are doing everything the community asked us to do while we were at OM. These are our important check boxes: GPL the code, open the schematics,upstream the kernel, Open the roadmap process. Those aren't product features, those are service guarantees. As members of the community when we start down the path of comparing closed devices to open devices and partially open devices to open devices we get our principles out of order. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
inlined On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Shaz shazal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM, steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.comwrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. This is good news. Congrats and good luck. By the way how are you guys planning to go along with OpenMoko efforts? the OM project is now a community effort. I continue to devote my spare time to helping out those I can in ways I can. mostly that's trying to find employment for ex employees or create opportunities for them. Are the hardware efforts in parallel to openMoko community or OpenMoko community decided hardware will be taken care of by your company. Not sure I understand this. The only hw related project is GTA02 core. werner's project. The software stacks are the same as much as I can comprehend from the thread. No. The Qi hardware only comes with a kernel. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Shaz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Thanks christoph. Please feel free to sign up over on the developer list at qi and post comments there. Inlined repsonses. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.dewrote: Hi, my thoughts to Qi / NanoBook: Mistakes repeated from Openmoko times: 1. you believe too much in the community. Guilty. 2. you announce products which are not exitant for sales. The first version of the NanoNote will be available for sale this fall. The Design files were released in early July. I will have marketing samples in a couple of weeks. Then we can order the product and be ready for shipping in 45 days or so, provided that the kernel is in good shape. WRT the follow on products. It is our intention to announce roadmaps in the most open way we can imagine. So, if we collectively decide that a touchscreen would be nice to add, then that can be investigated. A second LCD on the top of the case to see incoming calls or msgs, that too. A different keyboard? more connectivity, of course. 3. you got no MPEG-patent licences. We don't need them. I'll take MPLA as an example. At a previous company I shipped hardware with Mpeg capability ( could do decode) but with no software. The software was sold separately. I did this with the full knowledge and consent of the patent holder. The situation is different for companies that have already violated a patent. 4. you dont aim VAR. We target developers, including VARS. New mistakes: 1. you base on old-fashioned hardware (Zaurus was state-of-the-art, a hugh community existed, although Sharp did not give attention to it at all) We had a choice between two challenges: A. Select existing proven hardware and work with the community to shape it into what we collectively want it to be following the principles of freedom B. Design something new from scratch. Having made mistake B before, now we choose mistake A. 2. you base on made in China (synonym for crap in Europe) Iphone is made in China. 3. the PDA clam-shell form factor is obsolete, there is no small AND useable physical keyboard It's funny. I spent about a month showing the device to people in San Francisco. Every one of them was an Iphone user ( ok one owned a blackberry ) Not a single one commented negatively about the clamshell. Most of them made comments about things I hadn't considered.. not having to worry about scratching screens, not having to buy a cover to prevent scratches, they liked the weight and feel, loved the size of the keyboard (hated their touch screen keyboard ). The keyboard is bigger and has more keys than my samsung phone keyboard which is perfectly useable.. not for writing novels of course. Anyways I continue to see clamshell designs in the marketplace, of one form or another. Some people prefer it. I have a touchscreen phone ( Android dev platform) hate the keyboard. a couple clamshell devices, my samsung slider, and a phone that has two keyboard that slide out. When I look at the mechanical design of these devices I think about wine cork pullers. Huh? Did you ever notice how many different design approaches there were to wine cork pullers? You have the kind that just corkscrew in. You got ones that slide two thin pieces of metal past the cork. You've got corkscrews kinds that also hold the bottle in place. bunches of designs! why? because no design is optimal even for the simple task of pulling out a cork, much less complicated tasks like driving or communicating or playing music or..And of course everyone wanted different colors because they could not see that black was optimal. hehe. Anyway I wish you best success with your effords, Steve, I really do. Thank you. Christoph, that means a lot to me. Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Glad you noticed that Werner. When we went over the keyboard vi was on my mind. generally I tried to think of the things I could do with the device rather than the things one could not obviously do. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.orgwrote: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: most FOSS. Unless we restrict the Non-G-UI to commandline and ncurses. I noticed that is has an escape key. So vi will be fine. What else could one possibly wish for, except that more GUI designers would draw their inspiration from the grace and style of vi ? :-) Historical note: once I had Linux run on my Psion S5 and took it to a conference. The UI consisted of eight virtual consoles with a shell each, with whatever I chose to run there - typically a vi, so I could switch from taking notes on various topics just by changing consoles. Despite the device's many shortcomings, the system felt amazingly productive, almost on par with the HP-100LX. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
hehe. glad somebody has a sense of humor. But seriously when I was kid made in japan meant crap, as a young adult made in taiwan meant crap ( there were some budding geniuses who felt Nvidia was DOOMED because they used TSMC ). To be sure if you do not control the quality at any manufacturing site you will get crap out. That's part of the reason why we decided to start with a device that had good quality. You can, as we have, scour china like marco polo, and return with silk. Or you can just buy from some guy in HK and get what your efforts deserve. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fmwrote: 2009/7/21 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com 2. you base on made in China (synonym for crap in Europe) Iphone is made in China. Which confirms Christoph's point :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New Open Hardware company
A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
For the first device we wanted to be 100% sure that we had fully functioning hardware, so we left the ID alone, and just focused on a good keyboard layout ( given the keys we had) and getting linux to boot. If we start with that solid base and have a good engineering process then improving the device over time becomes a lot easier. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: 2009/7/20 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture. Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Congratulations on the launch of Qi Hardware! First thoughts: the space bar looks a little small.[1] That's a very minor quibble, though :) I've signed up to the mailing list and I'm looking forward to seeing what transpires from QiH. All best, Sam [1]http://www.qi-hardware.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ben-nanonote.png ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
For the NanoNote line of products we will stick with Clamshell. That doesn't mean otherproduct lines would be under the same restriction, but if it's a NanoNote, then it's a clamshell. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM, john jptmo...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats! Kudos for going clamshell! John. 2009/7/20 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture. Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
You can read more here http://linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mids/29263-openmoko-layoffs-lead-to-new-open-hardware-venture On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM, john jptmo...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats! Kudos for going clamshell! John. 2009/7/20 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture. Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
thx. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Kosa k...@piradio.org wrote: Congrats Steve! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - steven mosher wrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture. Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
There are two reasons, one pragmatic the other strategic. On the practical side we selected a device that we could open. So, of all the devices we looked at that could serve as the basis of a good roadmap, the device that presented itself was mips based. On the strategic side the Mips architecture is gaining a lot of traction in China. That doesn't mean we become a mips house Steve On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Kiam Peng Wee wee.kiamp...@orangeknob.com wrote: is there any reason for using mips? KP On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:27 AM, steven moshermosherste...@gmail.com wrote: thx. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Kosa k...@piradio.org wrote: Congrats Steve! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - steven mosher wrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture. Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Thanks for the comment. Perhaps you should repost it over on the blogs so everyone can benefit. See below. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:47 PM, steven moshermosherste...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Sorry for being ignorant, but who are the target group? For the initial device the target audience is developers. Period. Going forward the roadmap will be shaped by the community. In the Open. I, for myself would not buy a device like this. It resembles like the old manager calculator... (my mom had one like 15 years ago or so) That's fine. The difference is you probably couldn't turn that old calculator into a picture viewer, or offline wikipedia device, or notepad, or music player, or plug in a Wifi adapter or have a say in the roadmap. But physically, yes, it looks like one of those. Don't judge a book they say. It looks to me you are completely ignoring the world trend: More functions concentrate into less devices. People dont like to carry many things with them... A couple points: All all times during the evolution of devices you see two trends: one trend toward the all in wonder and another trend toward appliances. MP3 is my favorite example. being there at the start we faced the same argument with one set of people ( in design) arguing that the PC was going to be the center of convergence. Another set saying the phone was going to be the center. A third set saying the game console would be the center. Another set arguing the palm pilot would be the center. In the midst of this was another group. We thought that a device dedicated to music would get traction. And a device dedicated to video etc etc. At one point ( long before the flip camera) we argued for a dedicated simple device for video recording. The point is there are always two movements: one movement toward integration ( swiss army knives) and another movement toward specialized devices. All that said, our road aims at enabling the type device you are talking about. Over time we will add more capability to the device. But we will start with something that WORKS and improve on that. Adding capability in a well disciplined manner so that developers don't have to struggle with hardware that is dodgy. So what would be used for this device? A dictionary? An ebook? (too small display) A calendar? The device we adopted ( and opened) had the following proprietary software on it. 1. games 2. MP3 player 3. Audio recording 4. Video (Mp4) player 5. Dictionaries 6. Photo viewer. 7. Notepad. 8. calculator. We have no intention of creating our own software to go on this device. The Community has plenty of applications it can put on the device. Or you could target putting open content ( like wikitravel or wikidictionary etc ) on the device. If it is used for something specific, who will develop the (specific) software for it? See above. I dont want to ruin the party, but looks to me you are ignoring the basics. I like to think we are embracing the basics. If we want to get to a device that has all the features you want, what is the best way to get there? If I told you that the first device we would build was going to have wifi and gps and touchscreen, and bluetooth, and 3G and 3D graphics and replace your iphone, you'd rightly throw the bullshit flag. Instead, we start with the basics. A device that works. From that foundation we can move forward and build more complex things. You can be a part of that, contribute thoughts, make critical comments, shape the future. Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Done. Drop mirko a line at mi...@qi-hardware.com and he will add you to the blog roll. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Ah, you are using MIPS? Yes, digging around shows an Ingenic JZ4720. That is great since we already offer a low-cost Linux-Mini-Notebook (7'' screen, QWERTY WLAN) which uses the bigger brother JZ4730. We have Debian running on it and it is called Letux 400. And there is a small but nice community around such devices: http://projects.kwaak.net/twiki/bin/view/Epc700/WebHome http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/mipsbook-devel/ Nils has mostly completed a 2.6 kernel with Angstrom. So let me invite qi-hardware to support our project, Nikolaus Am 20.07.2009 um 20:29 schrieb Kiam Peng Wee: is there any reason for using mips? KP Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZimReader for Openmoko
cool. I wonder if that will work on the NanoNote? www.qi-hardware.com Sign up as developer, when device come it I'll look into getting you an early unit. Steve On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Marc Bantle openm...@rcie.de wrote: Hi all! Since an offline encyclopedia is most valuable on mobile devices, I worked on building ZimReader for the Openmoko Neo. As a start I did a native build on a Debian (hackable:1 [3]) driven Openmoko Freerunner. After fixing some minor build issue ([1], [2]), I can now browse Wikipedia offline on the phone. ZimReader performs amazingly well on the limited resources of the device. I use it in conjunction with woosh, a browser that comes with hackable:1. The content resides on SD-card. A full-text search takes around 5s, mostly even less. Since I'm not too much into packaging, I wrapped up a tar ball for those interested in binaries [4]. Please see the Readme for installation instructions. Note: The binaries will most likely _not_ run on OE-based distributions (OM2009, SHR). They have only been tested on hackable1. I'll try to supply packages for other distros, as soon as I find the time. Thank's a lot to the openzim team for their great work! Cheers, Marc [1] http://bugs.openzim.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6 [2] http://bugs.openzim.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5 [3] http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Main_Page [4] http://www.gut-informierte-kreise.de/openmoko/openzim/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
That's cool. It's kinda funny every female I have showed the device to wants one. And they alreadyown Iphones and blackberry's. perfect for my purse! weird I didnt expect that. One's learning PHP .. it would be her Personal Hack Pad. hehe. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/20/09, David Ford da...@blue-labs.org wrote: any general price range and is the usb port OTG for both client host? Question++ I'm interested in programming *on* something like that, and my girlfriend is interested in learning programming when she see what I'm doing on my Freerunner ;) Keyboard seems to be ok for programming, so i'm generally interested. Cheers, dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.cawrote: Hi Steve, Congratulations! Sounds like a very interesting project. The geek in me is say - W00t - when can I get one! Yup. same reaction of every geek I've showed it to. Unfortunately, the product manager in me is sounding a bit more like Laszlo: raising questions like: What's the business model - The business model. basically this question is how do you monetize your activity and the answer is we make money by selling hardware that hardware will come with a linux kernel. are you targeting end-users, Directly we target developers, yes. The numbers we need are very modest. More modest than the number of freerunners for example. or are you trying to convince someone to OEM the design, I don't rule this out. At OM for example I had many requests for small changes to FR that we could not execut on. VARs as well. customize it and market it to end-users? Yes, that's an option as well. But not required in the basic business case. Personally I kinda hope you are targeting OEMs, although I don't see much of a mention of that on the website so far.If you are targeting end-users, it seems to me that you are falling into the same trap that OpenMoko did - building some cool hardware, and assuming that the software side will eventually happen. The trap was a bit more complicated than that. At OM we tried to do: 1. hardware design. 2. Our own distro. 3. Our own special applications ( diversity) 4. Promote particular toolkits I'll blog more about this at Qi, but this much was clear. There was and is plenty of good open source software. The difficulties in bring this to FR are detailed all to well here. So, basically we think that we should start by shipping stable hardware and good kernels. If we as a community cannot bring good end user apps to a solid foundation, then we will figure out what other barriers need to be brought down. If however you have one or more visionary OEMs who will take your tech and build a compelling solution around it, that could be very interesting. I really believe that a device like this needs to have a seamless, well integrated hardware and software stack to be successful. Yes, when we look at that problem we see two ways of solving it. 1. Trying to do everything ourselves-- hardware and software. 2. Focusing on key software partners. At OM, for example, the question should have been: do OM2009? or focus on SHR ( for example ) For example, a device that a project manager inspecting a construction site could take with them and use to record the results of a site inspection could be very intersting.I'm not sure that the nano-note is the right form-factor for that, but something similar might work. My day job involves creating software for visual collaboration used across a wide range of industries - if you want to chat more about that, send me an email off list... Just contact me through the developer list over at qi-hardware Warren On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:47 AM, steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.comwrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Thanks Werner, Your project is a great inspiration for us. A lot of people just want to walk away from the dream of a truly open phone or just mouth platitudes about turning things over to the community. You actually picked up the ball and got in the game. Your project is on the blog roll and I'll blog about it in the near future.. or invite you to blog Steve On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.orgwrote: steven mosher wrote: A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop by and say hello. And so it has begun ... congratulations and good luck ! May the source be with you :-) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ZimReader for Openmoko
Perfect. Make sure you join up at qi. I'll have mirko contact the guys at openzim.org Steve On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Marc Bantle openm...@rcie.de wrote: Hi Steve, steven mosher schrieb: cool. I wonder if that will work on the NanoNote? You'll never know, but I'm quite positive ;-) www.qi-hardware.com http://www.qi-hardware.com Sign up as developer, when device come it I'll look into getting you an early unit. The credit goes to the guys from openzim.org. They did the real work. Maybe you've got some extra units for them. It'll be a pleasure to be part of your project :-) Cheers, Marc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Open Hardware company
Hi, Go ahead and report at qi-hardware, so I can share the answers with others. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Rafael Campos meth...@gmail.com wrote: Nice geek gadget!! (i also would like to have one) Do you have protypes and a working kernel? I could not stop my internal engieering questions!! ;) The device has been shipping for a while. What we have done is take that existing device, re layout the keyboard and start the process of getting a kernel up and working on it. The kernel is up and working and now comes the task of stabilizing it before shipping. My mainly question, rather that what is the target audience, what do you have in mind when you design the NanoNote? Some Assistant? We selected the device as a good point to start a roadmap. That is, it is just the beginning. A good place to start.. cpu, color screen, keyboard, storage. Going forward we work with the community to make that roadmap into a reality. One important thing is that it has USB 2.0, and doesn't have the glamo:) No glamo. check the website for a more in depth discussion of USB and SDIO Another important thing is MIPS!!! I only remember to develop some sw in MIPS at University in one assembler simulator (a MIPSR2000/3000). Other architecture to learn!! ;) Regards -- ___ Rafael Campos o0 Methril 0o http://openblog.methril.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
When demonstrating the phone SHR was always my distro of choice.. On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/16/09, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I hope you are are right that eventually the software will be in better shape than the hardware. I must admit that in my less optimistic moments, I wonder about that. The progress towards a stable, easily usable distro for the FR has been slow. I must disagree. SHR is progressing really fast, almost every day there is work on it or FSO, which SHR uses. There are also many initiatives unvisible from normal user's point of view, but development moves forward very quickly. There will be soon opimd integration, SHR Installer, and few other things. And after that - UI dbusification will allow everyone to make use of phone apps in his own scripts, which can bring UI consistense really easly. I feel that *now* FR software is much better than every time before. And it seems it still will be enhanced, just give it some time ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
Thanks maddog for staying on this over the past month or so. I really appreciatethe effort and I know the rest of the community does as well. As you know I'm unwilling to give up on the dream of the Freerunner and the dream of community driven hardware in general. I know Werner and his group, the GTA02 core team, is dedicated as well to this dream. Let me know how I can help. Steve On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: Dear Openmoko Community, In light of the refocusing of Sean's company on consumer items, there has been a perceived vacuum created in the Openmoko community's efforts to create next-generation open cellular smart phones. I happened to be working with Dr. Marcelo Zuffo, a full professor and the head of the Laboratory for Integrated Systems at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, on an unrelated project. I asked Dr. Zuffo if the university would be willing to join the Openmoko community and to provide critical resources to the task at hand. I subsequently have met with Dr. Zuffo several times on this matter, have seen his facilities (which include a very modern and state-of-the-art SMT line) and have discussed the goals of the community to design and prototype a completely open design for a cellular phone. Dr. Zuffo and the university understand your issues, understand free and open source software and hardware and are willing to assist the community with this project. I might add that the university can bring several new capabilities to the community: First of all, Dr. Zuffo has discussed the Openmoko project with the Minister of Telecommunications of Brazil, and the Minister is very enthusiastic about the concept. Having the support of the government of the twelfth largest economy behind the project might really help us with various negotiations with vendors. Secondly the University has been working on several aspects of telecommunications for a long time, and therefore has expertise in telephonic security and codecs (among other things) that could be of use to the Openmoko community. Third, the university has the ability and expertise to design new integrated circuits. Recently they designed a a range of analog-digital chips. Therefore the possibility of developing, manufacturing and freely licensing new chips to help reduce the cost of the phone is possible. Forth, while the facilities I mentioned are capable of producing up to 10,000 units at the rate of one circuit board every 30 seconds, the purpose of the facilities is research, developing and support projects that can lead innovation, the lab's charter does not allow them to manufacture more units then the 10,000 because that would be commercial production. Therefore the university has a goal of freely licensing the design to companies for manufacture. Fifth, the university would be happy to host the mailing lists and forums of the Openmoko project. If some of the software projects need hosting and can not find hosting services other places, the university will consider acting as a primary hosting facility for these projects. Sixth, personally I would like to see this concept extended, of inviting more universities and their facilities to help with this project world-wide. I hope that the leadership of the University of Sao Paulo will help create the structure and inspiration for this to happen. Finally, the university has a non-profit legal entity, LSITEC, which can easily do the type of paperwork that Sean's company did (NDAs, certification) so the community can leverage off that. I know that there will be a lot of questions and considerations to take before the community is comfortable with this relationship. Dr. Zuffo has asked that I help coordinate the joining together of the university with the community, and in the interest of seeing Openmoko continue to do the fine work started by Sean and all of you, I will be glad to help in this capacity. I am monitoring the community mailing list, and people are also welcome to email me directly (mad...@li.org) with questions that you do not (for any reason) wish to post to the list. Dr. Zuffo's letter of intent is below. Warmest regards, Jon maddog Hall President, Linux International CTO of Koolu, Inc. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New case (was Re: Freerunner's Future)
Werner has the ability to embed the debug board on board On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Jianming.Liu liuj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have posted the symbols and schematic of the debug board v3 in the list of GTA02-Core, and I think that could be a part of the GTA02-Core, or we could start a new debug board project? Thank you. Werner Almesberger wrote: [ Let's give threads that change direction a clearer name than just Freerunner's Future ] Fabian Sch?lzel wrote: I'm not an engineer, but a draftsman, so I could also help with the mechanical design and modeling of the case and other things related to the project. Great ! I think redoing the GTA02 case should be a project on its own, independent from gta02-core or such. There are no technical dependencies anyway - gta02-core will fit into any GTA02 case and a new GTA02 case can host any GTA02 board. Two considerations: I think just making a case equivalent to the existing one would be an interesting enough task on its own, without adding any changes that aren't motivated by feasibility (machinability, etc.) alone. Ideally, someone who's already experienced the whole process from design to prototype production getting done would take care of coordinating that project. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Freerunner%27s-Future-tp3012885p3186744.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
