Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
I vote for 3.5 mm too. My reasons: 1. There is 4-rings standard(good example is computer headfons with mic - it would be cool to be able to use it with OM). 2. I use handsfree more often to listen to music than to talk. my point - it's better to have an adaptor on handsfree and use it when you need it and be able to use any headphones to listen to music than to have special headphones or adaptor all the time with OM On 6/17/08, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/17 Mike Hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also vote for the 4 conductor 3.5mm jack. I vote for the same. There is already a standard headphone jack, and has been for over 30 years. Use it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
The vote is closed. We decided to use 3.5mm. Please see original thread! /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
First, my preference. Then some thought-provoking discussion (I know it's late - I've been finishing off a project of my own!) On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 08:18:16AM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) I think on the whole, a 4-conductor one of these is best (which, it seems, is the same conclusion you came to). However, I have some other things to say regarding the hardware, standards, and reliability. Read on... On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:21:35PM +0200, Kim Alvefur wrote: ipod shuffle does usb over 4 pol 3.5mm TRS, could be similar? This is a very bad idea. If this is true, then I just can't fathom what Apple were thinking at the time. I'm sick and tired of companies changing standards, and changing connectors from one hardware generation to the next. One of the reasons I'm giving up Palm-based devices and switching to OpenMoko is that Palm seem to have a new connector every new generation of hardware, which renders all previous peripherals useless. Also, their connectors are flimsy and poorly designed, as are the connectors on virtually every phone in the market. USB provides power and data, I think it's time all phones used it. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 03:36:40PM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Agree about the extra battery issue, but I have to agree with Thomas wired headsets no longer seem to be a fashion accessory in wide use, whereas BT cyborgs are all over the shop like a bad episode of Dr Who. Just a big bunch of nerds trying to look important. None of them is listening to music, while still able to take a call without panically removing the earpieces to listen to the phone-earspeaker ;-) Not so. I have one each of these, and they are fantastic: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-SHB6102-behind-neck-Bluetooth/dp/B000OY4RUG http://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-SHB6102-behind-neck-Bluetooth/dp/B000OY4RUG They both function as stereo headphones and as phone headsets. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:02:27AM +0200, Sander van Grieken wrote: External adapters are a bad idea since it could put extra force on the jack socket. I can attest to this; I've had about three Palm Treo 650 where the headset socket eventually died. However, I attribute this to poor design of the socket mechanism itself. Spefically, the very same solder joints that provide signal are the same solder joints that mechanically anchor the socket housing to the board. Over time, normal wear and tear causes the electrical connections to become intermittent and fail. Unless wiggling the plug in the socket does not stress the electrical connections between the socket and the board, then it will eventually fail. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:21:46AM +0200, Erland Lewin wrote: But of course it would be nice if the audio out was less sensitive to impedance issues than people have said the Freerunner probably will be. I heard about this, and I must admit I'm a bit concerned. I hope it will not be a problem. I don't think computer headsets with 3.5 mm plugs are normally very portable. This is probably true, and is a good case for 2.5mm + adapter being supplied on the next Neo. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:38:06AM +0200, Pawel Kowalak wrote: There's one issue though... Someone may like to listen mp3s and be able to answer phones without pulling Neo out of his pocket or changing to BT headset... Check out the BT headsets I list above. Nice solution! I believe that Philips have released newer models, too... On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 02:42:45PM +0200, Thomas Franck wrote: I vote for B (3.5mm) as well.. even if just headphone.. IMHO, the 2.5 ones are just too fragile... I agree: I once had a headset cord catch on a door; the cord was yanked out of the socket, and while the socket survived, the end of the plug was bent beyond repair. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 12:18:01PM +0200, Kim Alvefur wrote: http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=5262651 says that the iPhone plug uses: tip=R, ring1=L, ring2=Common, sleeve=Mic (which is not what I would have guessed) God damn it, Apple. Ground is supposed to be closest to the cable! WHY? In my experience, it seems that all manufacturers are guilty of violating common practise, written standards, and just common sense. More of them need to read books by Donald Norman... On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 05:00:25AM +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) A!!! And please also provide the adapter:) I agree that this would be suitable, but I don't really like the idea of yet another small piece of plastic to lose or forget. I think 3.5mm with 4 connectors and intelligence such as this
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) I vote for the 3.5. Supporting standard headphones is more important than being able to use a wired headset. However, some phones (at least the ROKR E2, maybe others) have had a 3.5 jack with an extra ring, which I think is for the microphone. If you follow this standard, the wired headsets designed for those can work. You can plug in standard stereo headphones (in which case the sleeve shorts out the microphone input) or the special wired headset with an extra ring. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
I also vote for the 4 conductor 3.5mm jack. I am not 100% sure the pinout of my Blackberry Curve, but I know that I can plug in my sony mdr-ex71 headphones and get perfect sound (added to this an 8gig microsd means I dont have to take my largish iriver out and about unless I want radio or recording). Anything to make it easier to connect to normal headphones, and maintain the mic ability with the 4 conductor connector. Mike On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
2008/6/17 Mike Hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also vote for the 4 conductor 3.5mm jack. I vote for the same. There is already a standard headphone jack, and has been for over 30 years. Use it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 21:37 -0700, Mike Montour wrote: http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=5262651 says that the iPhone plug uses: tip=R, ring1=L, ring2=Common, sleeve=Mic (which is not what I would have guessed) God damn it, Apple. Ground is supposed to be closest to the cable! WHY? *Greatly annoyed* signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Am Sa 31. Mai 2008 schrieb Mike Montour: Joerg Reisenweber wrote: your link: that's it Thanks for sharing your thoughts and giving this link If you do choose a 4-pin 3.5mm connector to be compatible with iPhone (or with another major vendor), please double-check that you use the same pin assignments. This forum post: http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=5262651 says that the iPhone plug uses: tip=R, ring1=L, ring2=Common, sleeve=Mic (which is not what I would have guessed). WAAH, they're NOT compatible to usual headphones which have tip1=L 2=R, (3)=4=GND. 3=GND, 4=mic makes their HS inoperable with any usual Walkman, though you still can use Walkman HP on their IPhone (the jack shorts 3 + 4). base4 is sleeve = shielding by definition and by design of jacks, so this is a bad choice for mic signal :-((( What a crap is THIS? Our design goal is to be compatible to classic 3.5mm headphones at very first, (while still supporting full mic functionality for HS) so at least left and right won't be connected the way apple does. In fact we already did and will follow / stay close to: Nokia AV-connector spec. http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/resources/technologies/connectivity/av_connector.html and maybe augment this. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: WAAH, they're NOT compatible to usual headphones which have tip1=L 2=R, (3)=4=GND. I can't guarantee the accuracy of that web page - it would be good to find someone with an iPhone who can make a direct measurement. In fact we already did and will follow / stay close to: Nokia AV-connector spec. That looks OK. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On Fri, 30 May 2008 09:23:16 -0700 Mike Montour [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: unsure of that adaptor, BUT my motorola rokr e6 uses a 3.5mm headphone plug that also has mic support with the 4-pin headphone+mic set that it came with. this headphone also works on all normal stereo 3.5mm sockets i have tried that are only audio out (laptop, desktop, mp3 player etc.) and it seems to work on my n800 too - the mic as well. standard 3.5mm headphones work on my rokr as well so they seem to have taken a 100% compatible path with this that works all ways (back and forth). whatever motorola did with the rokr e16 - we should do too as it works and works well. sure a 3.5mm plug is bigger than 2.5mm - but its in infinitely more convenient. we're not in the business of making such tiny phones yet where they are so small we can't fit on a 3.5mm plug... well.. not yet! :) Joerg Reisenweber wrote: B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) This one, but with a 4-pin (stereo+mic) format that's compatible with at least 1 major vendor (so that DIY means buy an adapter from a web store rather than fire up the soldering iron). See for example: http://www.meritline.com/earphone-adapter-iphone-into-3-5mm-mic-038.html Offtopic gripe - Bluetooth headsets are OK if they work, but so far I have been unable to get my GTA01 to talk to one (it pairs, but I can't get audio through it). I posted a query on device-owners and did not hear any other success stories. I hope that OM has done enough QA testing to guarantee that this is only a Linux software issue and that the Freerunner (at least) will eventually have full BT headset support. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2.5mm or 3.5mm
Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
3.5mm. I'd rather be able to take any headphones I have laying around and use them for music. If I wanted a headset I would buy a Bluetooth headset. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:18 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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A Please. -remember us voip - wifi er's (yes, that's voip over wifi...) I'm cheap. thanks for the good work. /matthew -- Have no fear of log files...no one reads them.'' And trim your posts g-damnit ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
B) 3.5mm Michal Borek On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
3.5mm. E.g. the Nokia N82 has a 3.5mm connector, with a 3.5mm headset included. /esbjörn On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3.5mm. I'd rather be able to take any headphones I have laying around and use them for music. If I wanted a headset I would buy a Bluetooth headset. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:18 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
3.5 mm, Like to hear on music Joerg Reisenweber skrev: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
I still think that wired headsets are not used by anyone out there. Even if every vendor adds a cheap wired headset to it's device I barely see anyone using it. Today bluetooth headsets are cheap and they are way more practical (and even have the better microphone placing, compared to the wired clip-micros. So I think there should be an 3.5mm to listen to music and use bluetooth for headsets. On 5/30/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
2008/5/30 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks 3.5mm definitely: there are so many decent quality phones with 3.5mm (even better if we could get 1/4.), but all the 2.5 ones are shite. plus, an adpater to then allow the use of 2.5mm phones is a lot smaller and less liable to break, than one for the other way round. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
2008/5/30 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) Definitely 3.5mm. If I'd use a headset, I'd use a Bluetooth one anyway, but for music listening I'd like to be able to use my own headphones without adapters. Regarding 3.5mm headset standards, N800 Internet Tablet seems to have one (stereo sound + mic), but it's probably not a standard (it says Nokia AV connector 3.5mm in the specs). That said, somehow hardware assisting Ogg Vorbis decoding would also be beneficial wrt battery life and Neo music player usage. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:18:16 +0200 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks 3.5 -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) B) 3.5 for me Regards, -- Lucas Bonnet Bearstech - http://bearstech.com pgporVeVFb1dj.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
you may have just changed my mind On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3.5mm. I'd rather be able to take any headphones I have laying around and use them for music. If I wanted a headset I would buy a Bluetooth headset. -- Have no fear of log files...no one reads them.'' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Both! External adapters are a bad idea since it could put extra force on the jack socket. They could be located very close together so you cannot connect both at the same time. grtz, Sander Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Hi all! On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3.5mm. I'd rather be able to take any headphones I have laying around and use them for music. If I wanted a headset I would buy a Bluetooth headset. I agree with Richard and vote for B too. Hermann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
A (but...why not use a bluetooth headset...would be cheaper I think (you don't need to implement the headphone connector)) Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:18:16 +0200 Von: Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development -- Super-Aktion nur in der GMX Spieleflat: 10 Tage für 1 Euro. Über 180 Spiele downloaden: http://flat.games.gmx.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Definitively 3.5mm. No need to repeat all the reasons. Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
My best choice would be C) (3.5 mic and phones) but if that is not possible right know, I'll rather get A). (and multi-touch screen please :P) Thanks for asking for our opinion. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Joerg Reisenweber escribi: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) "standard" 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your "old" headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones "Walkman(R)" connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
How about a 4-terminal 3.5mm connector as used on the iphone? It would work with ordinary headphones if that was all that was needed. If you want the mic too you get a mic adaptor like the Shure VoicePort, or a full headset. On Friday 30 May 2008, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
hi, i haven't seen a headset that worked for more then one phone-company yet. Oh, except for the bluetooth things.But i also needed always special headsets for just hearing music. So please take 3.5mm. so i can just take every normal speaker, headset, etc. that lies near by me. and with the 3.5mm i could use the phone like every other mp3 player in the world. And every audio system i know has a connector for a walkman input but what was the other thing? I don't think i have ever heared of it until now. but this is maybe because i always bought the false phones here in germany. i have never seen / used a 2.5mm connector in my life. (oh thats not true i have seen one on wikipedia [1] 2 minutes ago. ;) ) greetings beni [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS_connector Joerg Reisenweber schrieb: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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3.5 mm for me ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Friday 30 May 2008 skrev Joerg Reisenweber: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development Absolutely classic 3.5mm - a bluetooth headset is not a particularly big payout these days, and certainly won't be any more so when GTA03 is released, so... i'd certainly go with 3.5mm. -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Just out of curiousity - why is a 2.5mm headset better suited for voip over wifi? /esbjörn On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:09 AM, geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Please. -remember us voip - wifi er's (yes, that's voip over wifi...) I'm cheap. thanks for the good work. /matthew -- Have no fear of log files...no one reads them.'' And trim your posts g-damnit ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:18:16 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) I guess there is more than one standard here for the microphone button line, right? I vote for the same as what Nokia and many others do, because that's what most headsets are made for. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2.5mm. I'd rather be able to take any of my old phones headsets I have laying around and use them for music and calling. ;) And it saves place and is less prone to damage. Piotr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I vote for B) I prefer to use Blueetooth to the phone headset, and if you want sound quality use a wired headphones without any adaptor --- El vie, 30/5/08, Joerg Reisenweber lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; escribió: De: Joerg Reisenweber lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Asunto: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Para: community@lists.openmoko.org Fecha: viernes, 30 mayo, 2008 8:18 Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (gt;2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:18 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) one vote for B, or even better A and *include* an adapter to put standard headphones into the 2,5mm headset plug. -- Daniel Mewes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Phone: 0800 DAMEWES (3263937; from inside Germany, I call back) Mobile: +49 (0) 160 8577603 Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On Fri, May 30, 2008 4:18 pm, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) Does this classis Walkman(R) connector have mic-input (which the classic Walkman doesn't)? If so (or if there is a second 3.5mm for the mic) then I would say option B for me personally. But then I never use a headset on my phone, while I do use headphones on a music player. NeilBrown please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
2.5mm head set. coz 1. a phone should have a headset adapter for speaker and mic. 2. blue tooth adapters are costly ($40 ) and 2.5mm headsets are $2 in India ( please focus on the relative cost, I am sure its the same elsewhere). 3. its extremely easy to make a 2.5mm to 3.5mm adapter. but impossible to get the mic signal out if its a 3.5mm jack. a 3.5mm headset jack with mic is not standard Thanks -GK PS: I cannot get rid of this pesky warm feeling every time I see Openmoko out do themselves with all this openness nonsense, common, be a man and just take some random decisions will you (tongue in cheek). -- Forwarded message -- From: Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:18:16 +0200 Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I'm for 3,5mm as well, they are easier to come by! Here in Denmark it's illegal to use the wired once in cars any ways since they are not considered hands-free! So most people would properly buy a BT one any ways! And since all good headphones is using a 3,5mm. - Lasse On Thu, 29 May 2008 23:35:46 -0700 Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3.5mm. I'd rather be able to take any headphones I have laying around and use them for music. If I wanted a headset I would buy a Bluetooth headset. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:18 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
My preference: A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) But of course it would be nice if the audio out was less sensitive to impedance issues than people have said the Freerunner probably will be. I don't think computer headsets with 3.5 mm plugs are normally very portable. /Erland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 10:49:34 +0300 Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2008/5/30 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) Definitely 3.5mm. If I'd use a headset, I'd use a Bluetooth one anyway, but for music listening I'd like to be able to use my own headphones without adapters. Regarding 3.5mm headset standards, N800 Internet Tablet seems to have one (stereo sound + mic), but it's probably not a standard (it says Nokia AV connector 3.5mm in the specs). That said, somehow hardware assisting Ogg Vorbis decoding would also be beneficial wrt battery life and Neo music player usage. no hardware to do that on the freerunner. :( -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I'm for B, as I'd like to use a phone as a music player. Most people use a bluetooth headset, and anyway there are some 3.5 headsets if one don't like bt ones. 3.5 connectors are easier to solder, too. Thank you for asking, you demonstrate you really care about what customers *actually* want! On Friday 30 May 2008 08:18:16 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development -- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On Friday 30 May 2008 08:18:16 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) 3.5mm signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
It's 1mm smaller ;) Still, I'd go for 3.5. 2008/5/30 Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Exactly. 3.5mm for the same reason. Are there any tangible benefits to using 2.5mm though? Rahul J On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3.5mm. I'd rather be able to take any headphones I have laying around and use them for music. If I wanted a headset I would buy a Bluetooth headset. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:18 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I still think that wired headsets are not used by anyone out there. Even if every vendor adds a cheap wired headset to it's device I barely see anyone using it. Today bluetooth headsets are cheap and they are way more practical (and even have the better microphone placing, compared to the wired clip-micros. So I think there should be an 3.5mm to listen to music and use bluetooth for headsets. I'd rather not be forced to use bluetooth with a headset. My experience is that bluetooth interferes with wifi (same freq. band) and you'll have another battery to worry about. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Joerg Reisenweber wrote: B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) As mentioned earlier, BT headsets are cheap and more comfortable in use (e.g. in a car) than wired 2,5mm headsets. There's one issue though... Someone may like to listen mp3s and be able to answer phones without pulling Neo out of his pocket or changing to BT headset... There's no ideal option, so I vote for B :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
2.5mm. If you want to buy some earphones for a mobile, than you will get only some with 2.5mm connectors. Thomas Am Freitag 30 Mai 2008 09:35:36 schrieb Rahul Joshi: Exactly. 3.5mm for the same reason. Are there any tangible benefits to using 2.5mm though? Rahul J On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3.5mm. I'd rather be able to take any headphones I have laying around and use them for music. If I wanted a headset I would buy a Bluetooth headset. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:18 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Joerg Reisenweber a écrit : Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) B) 3.5mm or C) 3.5mm with 4 contacts, BUT backward compatible with standard 3.5mm headphones jacks. This mean that the mic contact must be the one which is far from the ground contact, not at the tip one like in GTA01 (and GTA02?) niclone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) B) 3.5mm all the way, and for the headset connector I'd go for what Nokia does (I've only see least N810 http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/resources/technologies/connectivity/av_connector.html Oh, and it would be terrific if the static noise could be kept low so it would give good quality with low impedance (13Ohm, 21Ohm) earphones. please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community regards Philipp ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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+1 -Marcel Am Freitag 30 Mai 2008 10:35:42 schrieb rakshat hooja: 3.5 mm for me ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 7:18 am, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Prefer B - Classic 3.5 mm connector. If I want a headset to make calls on, I will buy a BT one. There are loads to chose from these days from cheap chinese things up to high end High, but for listening to music I want to be able to plug in a 'normal' set of headphones. (Bluetooth A2DP headphones are expensive) I also like the Idea of copying the iPhone standard of a 3.5mm headset with an extra ring for the Microphone. I have also seen that in the past on some Motorola phones. Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) -- David Pottage Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Agree, it would be a hassle swapping your BT head set with the 3.5mm earphones before picking up a call while say, driving, jogging, on a bike (motored or otherwise ), or simply sunbathing on your hammock outside your house. Two 3.5mm jacks, one for mic and the other for earphone is probably the best option (considering the votes so far :-) ). The more I read Joerg's email the more I get the feeling that this is what he is talking about. He did suggest that one could DIY an adapter from 4 wire 2.5mm handsfree to a 3 wire 3.5mm jack (asuming 3+1 mic jack). I can totally live with that. -GK -- Forwarded message -- From: Sven Klomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:22:42 +0200 Subject: Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm 2.5mm, since I want to pick up a phone call while listening to music. Sven On Friday 30 May 2008 08:18:16 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I still think that wired headsets are not used by anyone out there. Even if | every vendor adds a cheap wired headset to it's device I barely see anyone | using it. | Today bluetooth headsets are cheap and they are way more practical (and even | have the better microphone placing, compared to the wired clip-micros. | | So I think there should be an 3.5mm to listen to music and use bluetooth for | headsets. | | I'd rather not be forced to use bluetooth with a headset. My experience is that | bluetooth interferes with wifi (same freq. band) and you'll have another battery to | worry about. There is some co-existence stuff in GTA02 and future products that reduces this effect... the two devices warn each other to defer what they had planned because the other device is using the air. Agree about the extra battery issue, but I have to agree with Thomas wired headsets no longer seem to be a fashion accessory in wide use, whereas BT cyborgs are all over the shop like a bad episode of Dr Who. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg/4/IACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoOvwCfd1LW7aWK/nUlUfjslvSW4SIv 0uIAn1U8NpXr7OvJN2L59hN8HlYKdcGg =vRmY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Sven Klomp schrieb: 2.5mm, since I want to pick up a phone call while listening to music. Sven And that isn't possible with the actual 3.5mm headset on the GTA01 / 02 ??? no further questions. your witness. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Am Fr 30. Mai 2008 schrieb niclone: Joerg Reisenweber a écrit : Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) B) 3.5mm or C) 3.5mm with 4 contacts, BUT backward compatible with standard 3.5mm headphones jacks. This mean that the mic contact must be the one which is far from the ground contact, not at the tip one like in GTA01 (and GTA02?) C) is exactly what we planned thus far. You can easily create an adapter from 3.5mm 4ring male to 2.5mm GTA01/2-style receptacle. Anyway I didn't see these adapters for sale anywhere, so I came with this poll to you. Thanks everybody for your quick answers. Seems 3.5 is very popular and we planned for he right thing :-) cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks I vote for B (3.5mm) as well.. even if just headphone.. IMHO, the 2.5 ones are just too fragile... BTW.. following the link of Phillip to nokia and on to the OMTP left me with a 404 so the link to the spec of their 3.5mm headset is.. http://www.omtp.org/Publications/Display.aspx?Id=e8dc6c67-9b36-4bf5-b532-05c7742ac36b# cheers, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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1 more vote for 'B'. I'm curious, though, why the decision has to be made in such a rush for future editions of the product? . . .shawn - Original Message From: Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:18:16 AM Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
3.5, definitely. And continuing the earlier comment about Nokia - the N95 (and possibly other models) has a very interesting 3.5mm connector that provides much more than just sound. If a 3.5mm headphones are inserted, it plays regular stereo. However it also accepts the more advanced connector of Nokia's provided headphones which also have a small console to control volume, play/stop/forward/backward, etc.. That one has 4 contact points and not 3 like in regular stereo headphones. It even supports video playback - there is a cable that comes in the box and uses the same connector point to output several video types. Sometimes the phone detects the plugged device automatically (I guess if it supports some Nokia standard), and if it doesn't recognize, it provides the user a list of options to choose from (headphones, tv-out cable, music stand). Just a thought... On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I still think that wired headsets are not used by anyone out there. Even if | every vendor adds a cheap wired headset to it's device I barely see anyone | using it. | Today bluetooth headsets are cheap and they are way more practical (and even | have the better microphone placing, compared to the wired clip-micros. | | So I think there should be an 3.5mm to listen to music and use bluetooth for | headsets. | | I'd rather not be forced to use bluetooth with a headset. My experience is that | bluetooth interferes with wifi (same freq. band) and you'll have another battery to | worry about. There is some co-existence stuff in GTA02 and future products that reduces this effect... the two devices warn each other to defer what they had planned because the other device is using the air. Agree about the extra battery issue, but I have to agree with Thomas wired headsets no longer seem to be a fashion accessory in wide use, whereas BT cyborgs are all over the shop like a bad episode of Dr Who. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg/4/IACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoOvwCfd1LW7aWK/nUlUfjslvSW4SIv 0uIAn1U8NpXr7OvJN2L59hN8HlYKdcGg =vRmY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 3,5mm, too Joerg Reisenweber schrieb: | Hi community! | A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have | A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a | cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's | for GTA01/02) | or | B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an | adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm | headSET standards or adapters?) | | | please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks | | cheers | jOERG | Openmoko-HW-development | | - | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIQACplYiDScJJ+7QRAg6CAJwP6qpcllimbNXKJAOP2mYV5YdqKgCgtjPz IpFCTjgVLsVes0KmSTnrK6o= =yxjp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Am Fr 30. Mai 2008 schrieb Andy Green: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I still think that wired headsets are not used by anyone out there. Even if | every vendor adds a cheap wired headset to it's device I barely see anyone | using it. | Today bluetooth headsets are cheap and they are way more practical (and even | have the better microphone placing, compared to the wired clip-micros. | | So I think there should be an 3.5mm to listen to music and use bluetooth for | headsets. | | I'd rather not be forced to use bluetooth with a headset. My experience is that | bluetooth interferes with wifi (same freq. band) and you'll have another battery to | worry about. There is some co-existence stuff in GTA02 and future products that reduces this effect... the two devices warn each other to defer what they had planned because the other device is using the air. Yoyoyo, the 2-wire-coexistence stuff. Sure this will work with high bandwidth stereo BT? Agree about the extra battery issue, but I have to agree with Thomas wired headsets no longer seem to be a fashion accessory in wide use, whereas BT cyborgs are all over the shop like a bad episode of Dr Who. Just a big bunch of nerds trying to look important. None of them is listening to music, while still able to take a call without panically removing the earpieces to listen to the phone-earspeaker ;-) The *real* geeks are wearing huge closed-type stereo headsets, which you can find rarely in decent quality with BT. If you find you pay a fortune. Decent quality wired stereo headsets are much more easy to find. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
JoHo This is for GTA03 +++ rigth? Not for Freerunner Joerg Reisenweber skrev: Am Fr 30. Mai 2008 schrieb niclone: Joerg Reisenweber a écrit : Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) B) 3.5mm or C) 3.5mm with 4 contacts, BUT backward compatible with standard 3.5mm headphones jacks. This mean that the mic contact must be the one which is far from the ground contact, not at the tip one like in GTA01 (and GTA02?) C) is exactly what we planned thus far. You can easily create an adapter from 3.5mm 4ring male to 2.5mm GTA01/2-style receptacle. Anyway I didn't see these adapters for sale anywhere, so I came with this poll to you. Thanks everybody for your quick answers. Seems 3.5 is very popular and we planned for he right thing :-) cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
normal headphones vs movile headphones?? Was Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Whats the difference between normal headphones vs movile headphones?, did you mean mobile headset(2 earspeakers+mic)? --- El vie, 30/5/08, Thomas Zimmermann lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; escribió: De: Thomas Zimmermann lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Asunto: Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Para: List for Openmoko community discussion lt;community@lists.openmoko.orggt; Fecha: viernes, 30 mayo, 2008 11:50 2.5mm. If you want to buy some earphones for a mobile, than you will get only some with 2.5mm connectors. Thomas Am Freitag 30 Mai 2008 09:35:36 schrieb Rahul Joshi: gt; Exactly. 3.5mm for the same reason. gt; Are there any tangible benefits to using 2.5mm though? gt; gt; Rahul J gt; gt; On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Richard Reichenbacher lt; gt; gt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; gt; 3.5mm. I'd rather be able to take any headphones I have laying around gt; gt; and use them for music. If I wanted a headset I would buy a Bluetooth gt; gt; headset. gt; gt; gt; gt; -Original Message- gt; gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; gt; [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg gt; gt; Reisenweber gt; gt; Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:18 PM gt; gt; To: community@lists.openmoko.org gt; gt; Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm gt; gt; gt; gt; Hi community! gt; gt; A short poll: on a future GTA0x (gt;2), would you prefer to have gt; gt; A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy gt; gt; a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like gt; gt; it's for GTA01/02) or gt; gt; B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY gt; gt; an gt; gt; adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of gt; gt; 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks gt; gt; gt; gt; cheers gt; gt; jOERG gt; gt; Openmoko-HW-development gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; ___ gt; gt; Openmoko community mailing list gt; gt; community@lists.openmoko.org gt; gt; http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Am Fr 30. Mai 2008 schrieb Benedikt Schindler: Sven Klomp schrieb: 2.5mm, since I want to pick up a phone call while listening to music. Sven And that isn't possible with the actual 3.5mm headset on the GTA01 / 02 ??? It IS possible with the ACTUAL *2.5mm* headset on GTA01/02. For GTA03 you will need an adapter to 3.5mm though, to use the actual GTA01 2.5mm stereo headset see niclone's and my other posting in this thread /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
2.5mm, definitely - but *not* the 4 contact 2.5mm used on the GTA01. Wired headsets for phone use give *far* better quality than any bluetooth headset I've used with the exception of maybe the jawbone. I talk about 4000 minutes/month on my phone so the convenience of being able to buy almost any headset on the market far outweighs (for me) the convenience of using any stereo earphones on the market. For stereo audio I'm far more likely to use bluetooth A2DP than wired headphones. As for how common they are, 2.5mm phone headsets are the most common by far. After that comes the 2.5mm 4-contact headsets (which nokia used for a long time). Then come the various proprietary connectors - but almost any third party wired headset is available with a 2.5mm 3-contact connector. They *do* have 3.5mm headsets, but they tend to be very large and not have as much variety because they're designed for people to use at a desktop computer for things like dictation or skype where size doesn't matter. - Michael On Fri, 30 May 2008, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: 2.5mm. If you want to buy some earphones for a mobile, than you will get only some with 2.5mm connectors. Thomas Am Freitag 30 Mai 2008 09:35:36 schrieb Rahul Joshi: Exactly. 3.5mm for the same reason. Are there any tangible benefits to using 2.5mm though? Rahul J On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3.5mm. I'd rather be able to take any headphones I have laying around and use them for music. If I wanted a headset I would buy a Bluetooth headset. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:18 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
B) 3.5mm Il giorno ven, 30/05/2008 alle 10.17 +, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen ha scritto: Friday 30 May 2008 skrev Joerg Reisenweber: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development Absolutely classic 3.5mm - a bluetooth headset is not a particularly big payout these days, and certainly won't be any more so when GTA03 is released, so... i'd certainly go with 3.5mm. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: normal headphones vs movile headphones?? Was Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
The main differences would be size and price. I can buy a decent 2.5mm mobile headset (one earpiece + one mic) for about $10US and al of those will fit in my pocket. The cheapest headsets for a computer (2 earpieces+one mic) start around $30US and are huge, since they aren't really meant to be portable. You can find smaller 3.5mm headsets (usually one earpiece+one mic) designed for use in businesses, but because they're used for business they are *very* expensive, although on the flip side they tend to be very comfortable and have excellent sound quality. But I have no wish to spend $100 on a headset that I'm going to carry with me everywhere I go. - Michael On Fri, 30 May 2008, David Samblas Martinez wrote: Whats the difference between normal headphones vs movile headphones?, did you mean mobile headset(2 earspeakers+mic)? --- El vie, 30/5/08, Thomas Zimmermann lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; escribi??: De: Thomas Zimmermann lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Asunto: Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Para: List for Openmoko community discussion lt;community@lists.openmoko.orggt; Fecha: viernes, 30 mayo, 2008 11:50 2.5mm. If you want to buy some earphones for a mobile, than you will get only some with 2.5mm connectors. Thomas Am Freitag 30 Mai 2008 09:35:36 schrieb Rahul Joshi: gt; Exactly. 3.5mm for the same reason. gt; Are there any tangible benefits to using 2.5mm though? gt; gt; Rahul J gt; gt; On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Richard Reichenbacher lt; gt; gt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; gt; 3.5mm. I'd rather be able to take any headphones I have laying around gt; gt; and use them for music. If I wanted a headset I would buy a Bluetooth gt; gt; headset. gt; gt; gt; gt; -Original Message- gt; gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; gt; [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg gt; gt; Reisenweber gt; gt; Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:18 PM gt; gt; To: community@lists.openmoko.org gt; gt; Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm gt; gt; gt; gt; Hi community! gt; gt; A short poll: on a future GTA0x (gt;2), would you prefer to have gt; gt; A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy gt; gt; a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like gt; gt; it's for GTA01/02) or gt; gt; B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY gt; gt; an gt; gt; adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of gt; gt; 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks gt; gt; gt; gt; cheers gt; gt; jOERG gt; gt; Openmoko-HW-development gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; ___ gt; gt; Openmoko community mailing list gt; gt; community@lists.openmoko.org gt; gt; http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada m??s inteligente.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
if i believe wikipedia, then there is also a 5 contact version of the 3.5mm connector. [wiki:] Four and five conductor versions of the 3.5 mm plug are used for certain applications. A four conductor version is becoming a de facto standard output connector for compact camcorders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camcorder, providing stereo sound plus a video signal. [end wiki] ... i like the idea of a such an inteligent TRS connector. like it is in your N95. Nadav schrieb: 3.5, definitely. And continuing the earlier comment about Nokia - the N95 (and possibly other models) has a very interesting 3.5mm connector that provides much more than just sound. If a 3.5mm headphones are inserted, it plays regular stereo. However it also accepts the more advanced connector of Nokia's provided headphones which also have a small console to control volume, play/stop/forward/backward, etc.. That one has 4 contact points and not 3 like in regular stereo headphones. It even supports video playback - there is a cable that comes in the box and uses the same connector point to output several video types. Sometimes the phone detects the plugged device automatically (I guess if it supports some Nokia standard), and if it doesn't recognize, it provides the user a list of options to choose from (headphones, tv-out cable, music stand). Just a thought... On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I still think that wired headsets are not used by anyone out there. Even if | every vendor adds a cheap wired headset to it's device I barely see anyone | using it. | Today bluetooth headsets are cheap and they are way more practical (and even | have the better microphone placing, compared to the wired clip-micros. | | So I think there should be an 3.5mm to listen to music and use bluetooth for | headsets. | | I'd rather not be forced to use bluetooth with a headset. My experience is that | bluetooth interferes with wifi (same freq. band) and you'll have another battery to | worry about. There is some co-existence stuff in GTA02 and future products that reduces this effect... the two devices warn each other to defer what they had planned because the other device is using the air. Agree about the extra battery issue, but I have to agree with Thomas wired headsets no longer seem to be a fashion accessory in wide use, whereas BT cyborgs are all over the shop like a bad episode of Dr Who. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg/4/IACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoOvwCfd1LW7aWK/nUlUfjslvSW4SIv 0uIAn1U8NpXr7OvJN2L59hN8HlYKdcGg =vRmY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) This one, but with a 4-pin (stereo+mic) format that's compatible with at least 1 major vendor (so that DIY means buy an adapter from a web store rather than fire up the soldering iron). See for example: http://www.meritline.com/earphone-adapter-iphone-into-3-5mm-mic-038.html Offtopic gripe - Bluetooth headsets are OK if they work, but so far I have been unable to get my GTA01 to talk to one (it pairs, but I can't get audio through it). I posted a query on device-owners and did not hear any other success stories. I hope that OM has done enough QA testing to guarantee that this is only a Linux software issue and that the Freerunner (at least) will eventually have full BT headset support. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm (to be?: sendind video trough 3.5mm jack)
I think we should consider this one. I know we have some issues with video right now, but for GTA03 most of them could be solved. I would be very nice to be able to send video using the same jack we use to send audio. 5G iPods and some other devices do it. My 2 centavos. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Nadav escribi: 3.5, definitely. And continuing the earlier comment about Nokia - the N95 (and possibly other models) has a very interesting 3.5mm connector that provides much more than just sound. If a 3.5mm headphones are inserted, it plays regular stereo. However it also accepts the more advanced connector of Nokia's provided headphones which also have a small console to control volume, play/stop/forward/backward, etc.. That one has 4 contact points and not 3 like in regular stereo headphones. It even supports video playback - there is a cable that comes in the box and uses the same connector point to output several video types. Sometimes the phone detects the plugged device automatically (I guess if it supports some Nokia standard), and if it doesn't recognize, it provides the user a list of options to choose from (headphones, tv-out cable, music stand). Just a thought... On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I still think that wired headsets are not used by anyone out there. Even if | every vendor adds a cheap wired headset to it's device I barely see anyone | using it. | Today bluetooth headsets are cheap and they are way more practical (and even | have the better microphone placing, compared to the wired clip-micros. | | So I think there should be an 3.5mm to listen to music and use bluetooth for | headsets. | | I'd rather not be forced to use bluetooth with a headset. My experience is that | bluetooth interferes with wifi (same freq. band) and you'll have another battery to | worry about. There is some "co-existence" stuff in GTA02 and future products that reduces this effect... the two devices warn each other to defer what they had planned because the other device is using the air. Agree about the extra battery issue, but I have to agree with Thomas wired headsets no longer seem to be a fashion accessory in wide use, whereas BT cyborgs are all over the shop like a bad episode of Dr Who. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg/4/IACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoOvwCfd1LW7aWK/nUlUfjslvSW4SIv 0uIAn1U8NpXr7OvJN2L59hN8HlYKdcGg =vRmY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) Would it be possible to fabricate a small, conductive 1 mm thick sleeve that could fit flush(ly) within a 3.5 mm jack to convert it to a 2.5 mm jack? Do such things exist? This could potentially make everybody happy. -- Dylan Type faster. Use Dvorak: http://dvzine.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
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Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Am Fr 30. Mai 2008 schrieb Shawn: 1 more vote for 'B'. I'm curious, though, why the decision has to be made in such a rush for future editions of the product? . . .shawn because we're moving forward very fast ;-) You see it took long time for GTA02, we're trying to speed up, and product spec is one of the very first things to do, before you even start to design housing etc... /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Am Fr 30. Mai 2008 schrieb Mike Montour: Joerg Reisenweber wrote: B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) This one, but with a 4-pin (stereo+mic) format that's compatible with at least 1 major vendor (so that DIY means buy an adapter from a web store rather than fire up the soldering iron). See for example: http://www.meritline.com/earphone-adapter-iphone-into-3-5mm-mic-038.html This one is completely off topic. I'm talking about STEREO headSET(=with mic), which usually commes with 2.5mm. We are planning to use a 3.5mm 4-ring connector, that complies with usual 3-ring headPHONES(=w/o mic), and I didn't see an adapter 3.5/4wire-male-2.5-4w-receptacle yet. So you probably have to DIY, to use standard headSETs with future OM devices. But you get benefit of plug-and-play for classic Walkman(R)-headPHONES. BTW: audio quality and versatility of this connector will be vastly improved, if it pans out right. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 09:16 -0400, Kevin Dean wrote: 3.5 mm. I hear mention of standard 2.5 mm and other than my 1973 and the Freerunner, I don't think I've ever seen a 2.5 mm used. Most wired headsets on phones I've purchased in the past each used their own proprietary connector with the exception of my recent Motorolas which used USB. That means every set of headphones I've EVER used were 3.5 mm (actually, they're labeled as 1/8 inch) and that's what my Element has as it's AUX input, so I'll stick with that. :) My old Nokia 3310 has 2.5mm for headsets. However for GTA0x2 3.5mm plug wold be nice, as long as standard stereo plugs work properly. Should not be a problem i one uses 4-pol TRRS like ===[ ground, mic, right, left signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 09:13 -0400, Nadav wrote: [...] Nokia N95 [...] That one has 4 contact points and not 3 like in regular stereo headphones. It even supports video playback - there is a cable that comes in the box and uses the same connector point to output several video types. ipod shuffle does usb over 4 pol 3.5mm TRS, could be similar? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: normal headphones vs movile headphones?? Was Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
ok so you where talking about headsets not headphones alone thanks :) --- El vie, 30/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; escribió: De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Asunto: Re: normal headphones vs movile headphones?? Was Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussion lt;community@lists.openmoko.orggt; Fecha: viernes, 30 mayo, 2008 5:46 The main differences would be size and price. I can buy a decent 2.5mm mobile headset (one earpiece + one mic) for about $10US and al of those will fit in my pocket. The cheapest headsets for a computer (2 earpieces+one mic) start around $30US and are huge, since they aren't really meant to be portable. You can find smaller 3.5mm headsets (usually one earpiece+one mic) designed for use in businesses, but because they're used for business they are *very* expensive, although on the flip side they tend to be very comfortable and have excellent sound quality. But I have no wish to spend $100 on a headset that I'm going to carry with me everywhere I go. - Michael On Fri, 30 May 2008, David Samblas Martinez wrote: gt; Whats the difference between normal headphones vs movile headphones?, did you mean mobile headset(2 earspeakers+mic)? gt; gt; --- El vie, 30/5/08, Thomas Zimmermann amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]amp;gt; escribi贸: gt; De: Thomas Zimmermann amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]amp;gt; gt; Asunto: Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm gt; Para: List for Openmoko community discussion amp;lt;community@lists.openmoko.orgamp;gt; gt; Fecha: viernes, 30 mayo, 2008 11:50 gt; gt; 2.5mm. gt; If you want to buy some earphones for a mobile, than you will get only some gt; with 2.5mm connectors. gt; gt; Thomas gt; gt; Am Freitag 30 Mai 2008 09:35:36 schrieb Rahul Joshi: gt; amp;gt; Exactly. 3.5mm for the same reason. gt; amp;gt; Are there any tangible benefits to using 2.5mm though? gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; Rahul J gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Richard Reichenbacher amp;lt; gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]amp;gt; wrote: gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; 3.5mm. I'd rather be able to take any headphones I have laying gt; around gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; and use them for music. If I wanted a headset I would buy a gt; Bluetooth gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; headset. gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; -Original Message- gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; Reisenweber gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:18 PM gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; To: community@lists.openmoko.org gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; Hi community! gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; A short poll: on a future GTA0x (amp;gt;2), would you prefer to have gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where gt; you have to buy gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, gt; (the way like gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; it's for GTA01/02) or gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where gt; you have to DIY gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; an gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; cheers gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; jOERG gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; Openmoko-HW-development gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; ___ gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; Openmoko community mailing list gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; community@lists.openmoko.org gt; amp;gt; amp;gt; http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community gt; gt; gt; gt; ___ gt; Openmoko community mailing list gt; community@lists.openmoko.org gt; http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community gt; gt; gt; __ gt; Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada m谩s inteligente. __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On Fri, 30 May 2008 13:31:10 -0400 Dylan Semler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) Would it be possible to fabricate a small, conductive 1 mm thick sleeve that could fit flush(ly) within a 3.5 mm jack to convert it to a 2.5 mm jack? Do such things exist? This could potentially make everybody happy. Shouldn't be impossible to make a »sleeve« like that, but i don't think it exists. Neither does a 3.5mm jack to 2.5mm plug seem to exists, even less imaginable is it that it would support 4 conductors (stereo + mic). But as soon as it is reasonable to mass produce them some company will. And in the meantime i am certain that there is some one in you local OMG/LUG/UUG that have at least basic soldering skills. The parts needed cost ca. 4-6€ in Denmark at the local RadioShack (Brink Elektronik or what ever your local eletronics store is called!) - Lasse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) I'm all for B) 3.5, id rather use a bluetooth headset if I need a headset at all. /Rune T. S. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: http://www.meritline.com/earphone-adapter-iphone-into-3-5mm-mic-038.html This one is completely off topic. I'm talking about STEREO headSET(=with mic), which usually commes with 2.5mm. We are planning to use a 3.5mm 4-ring connector, that complies with usual 3-ring headPHONES(=w/o mic), and I didn't see an adapter 3.5/4wire-male-2.5-4w-receptacle yet. So you probably have to DIY, to use standard headSETs with future OM devices. But you get benefit of plug-and-play for classic Walkman(R)-headPHONES. I don't see how it's completely off topic as it's an example of a commercially-available adapter with a 4-ring 3.4mm plug (even if the other end of it isn't what's wanted). I understand the benefit of plug-and-play for regular headphones - that's why I voted for the 3.5mm option. However I also feel that it is important to have at least one commercially-available headset (or headset+adapter) that can be used without requiring DIY cable assembly. I don't have an iPhone, but it looks like it uses a 4-pin 3.5mm connector that is electrically compatible with regular 3-pin 3.5mm headphones (just mechanically recessed so that you have to buy official adapters). If that is the case, then OM might be able to use a non-recessed 4-bin receptacle with a compatible pinout. That way, any iPhone adapters or headsets could be used with the OM phone. BTW I did a bit more searching and found another adapter that may be closer to what you are looking for: http://www.mac-pro.com/iPhone-Handsfree-Stereo-Adapter-3-5mm-White_2 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
A) 2,5mm Joerg Reisenweber schrieb: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
A. you have to have a mic. If it were a walkman then the 3.5 makes sense but this is a phone+. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:18 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: 2.5mm or 3.5mm Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Since there seems to be a difference in operation between them (2.5+mic and 3.5 without), can both be fitted? One of the really stupid things about my treo and palm BT headset is I cant listen to music on it - its designed to handle phone calls only - hence its NEVER used - hope the freerunner/bt headsets in general isnt so limited. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Am Fr 30. Mai 2008 schrieb Kim Alvefur: On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 09:16 -0400, Kevin Dean wrote: 3.5 mm. I hear mention of standard 2.5 mm and other than my 1973 and the Freerunner, I don't think I've ever seen a 2.5 mm used. Most wired headsets on phones I've purchased in the past each used their own proprietary connector with the exception of my recent Motorolas which used USB. That means every set of headphones I've EVER used were 3.5 mm (actually, they're labeled as 1/8 inch) and that's what my Element has as it's AUX input, so I'll stick with that. :) My old Nokia 3310 has 2.5mm for headsets. However for GTA0x2 3.5mm plug wold be nice, as long as standard stereo plugs work properly. Should not be a problem i one uses 4-pol TRRS like ===[ ground, mic, right, left that's it. plus: gnd,video,line-inL,line-inR gnd,remote-R-ladder,analog-DC-out,DC-meter-in etc... ;-) (mix as you like, I'm trying to get max for every geek ;) [[no video on next device though]] /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
your link: that's it Thanks for sharing your thoughts and giving this link /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
see URL in prev post. there are adapters 3.5male-2.5female /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
that's been my idea when I started. But obviously there's a demand for adapter-free 3.5 connectivity. So you probably have to use an adapter for headsets (with mic)[see other post]. No big thing though. Thanks for voting jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On 5/30/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development A!!! And please also provide the adapter:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: your link: that's it Thanks for sharing your thoughts and giving this link If you do choose a 4-pin 3.5mm connector to be compatible with iPhone (or with another major vendor), please double-check that you use the same pin assignments. This forum post: http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=5262651 says that the iPhone plug uses: tip=R, ring1=L, ring2=Common, sleeve=Mic (which is not what I would have guessed). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
