Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On 9/21/08 Tom Yates wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, Hire wrote: Instead I find it very usable and better stability. The only thing that I find totally useless is the OM-Locations... we need a very usable gps sotfware like navit ( with complete maps as navteq o telealtas and a routes engine ) so why don't port it onto Openmoko and use it instead of Om-Locations? i don't think it offers a routing engine, but have you tried tangoGPS? it does everything else you want, given the excellent hooks to openstreetmap.org. i am told that others are working on general-purpose routing engines using PSM data, but i can't find confirmation. anyway, having a map's the main thing for me. All The point of Locations is not to become a routing engine. It's reverse routing if you will. I'm in a place I want to remember, so I tag that location. And share it friends. Or friends want to share a location with me. So they send me a tag that appears on my map. That's it. Very very simple. You can read more about it here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Locations Hope that helps clarify things. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, Hire wrote: Instead I find it very usable and better stability. The only thing that I find totally useless is the OM-Locations... we need a very usable gps sotfware like navit ( with complete maps as navteq o telealtas and a routes engine ) so why don't port it onto Openmoko and use it instead of Om-Locations? i don't think it offers a routing engine, but have you tried tangoGPS? it does everything else you want, given the excellent hooks to openstreetmap.org. i am told that others are working on general-purpose routing engines using PSM data, but i can't find confirmation. anyway, having a map's the main thing for me. -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
For a complete and working routing solution just use navit. It uses maps from openstreetmaps.org compiled to a binary format which consumes just ~90MB for whole germany. It also supports speach output for directions. I tested it between two cities where i live and it routed me very well. The speech output maybe is a bit robocup like, but this is based on free text2speech engines and not navit itself. ;) Navit and tangogps fit perfect together for different use cases. Ciao, Rainer Ciao, Rainer Tom Yates wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2008, Hire wrote: Instead I find it very usable and better stability. The only thing that I find totally useless is the OM-Locations... we need a very usable gps sotfware like navit ( with complete maps as navteq o telealtas and a routes engine ) so why don't port it onto Openmoko and use it instead of Om-Locations? i don't think it offers a routing engine, but have you tried tangoGPS? it does everything else you want, given the excellent hooks to openstreetmap.org. i am told that others are working on general-purpose routing engines using PSM data, but i can't find confirmation. anyway, having a map's the main thing for me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
I also experienced the problem that the FR slowes down to a point where it freezes when the memory consumption goes to the limit of the internal ram. And this happenes quite often when using many programs. To solve this problem i created a swap file with 64MB on my sd-card (vfat, but this shouldn't matter) and added it to the fstab like this: /dev/mmcblk0p3 /media/disk vfatdefaults,noatime0 2 /media/disk/swapfile swap swapdefaults0 0 I know that swap on a sd-card isn't the best thing to to, but i didn't notice any sd-card performance problems. And since i use this my freerunner didn't freeze at all anymore because i never get close to the 192MB ram even when starting many programs. :) Ciao, Rainer William Kenworthy wrote: On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 21:40 -0400, Alex Fitzpatrick wrote: Iain B. Findleton wrote: And of course, the buggy software can hurt. Surprisingly, I activated swap on my FR and stability and periodic slowing have improved. Don't know why that should be, but there you are. The answer there is to run top while using the phone... you'll see that it's running at pretty much at the limits of the 128MB built in. Adding a swap file, while inefficient, will allow the kernel to swap unused pages to disk and allow more things to run, or at least lurch... 128MB is damned small these days... but then my first Linux box had 16MB of RAM, a 33Mhz CPU, a 100MB hard drive and a VGA card that could barely handle 800x600x 256 colors. Is there a reccomended or best way to run swap on a FR. swapfile on the vfat partition (/media/card/), swapfile on an ext2 partition (/media/mmcblk0p2) or an actual swap partition (is the mounting of multiple partitions working reliably now? - used to be disastrous :) Size: 128Mb or 256Mb (the old recomendations for Unix was always 2 x memory because of core dumps) BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Memory usage and swap (was Re: 2008.9 Basic questions)
Alex Fitzpatrick wrote: Iain B. Findleton wrote: And of course, the buggy software can hurt. Surprisingly, I activated swap on my FR and stability and periodic slowing have improved. Don't know why that should be, but there you are. The answer there is to run top while using the phone... you'll see that it's running at pretty much at the limits of the 128MB built in. I always thought that only free would report the correct memory numbers. Right now, top reports this on my FR: Mem:123856k total, 118412k used, 5444k free, 136k buffers Compare that to the output of free: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:123856 118272 5584 0136 75712 -/+ buffers/cache: 42424 81432 Swap:65528 28 65500 The line Mem shows memory used including caches that will be overwritten whenever a program requires more memory. The line -/+ buffers/cache supposedly shows the real memory usage, currently about 42M. If that were to reach 128M, we would be in real trouble. I'm going to turn the swap off again... Marcel signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2008.9 Basic questions
1. Is it necessary to do a reflash, or will update upgrade from 2008.8 work? 2. Is it worth the effort? From what I read on the wiki, the worst problems are yet unresolved. I should have waited before buying the FR. When I bought it in July, there was no proper notice on the wiki or on the IDA Systems' website that this phone isn't fit for daily use. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Hi, --- On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I should have waited before buying the FR. When I bought it in July, there | was no proper notice on the wiki or on the IDA Systems' website that this | phone isn't fit for daily use. \-- The Qtopia version works for me for daily use: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
2008/9/20 Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. Is it necessary to do a reflash, or will update upgrade from 2008.8 work? update and upgrade does the same thing 2. Is it worth the effort? From what I read on the wiki, the worst problems are yet unresolved. i can't see any difference. except more instability - enlightenment crashes constantly. someone i know reported speed increases I should have waited before buying the FR. When I bought it in July, there was no proper notice on the wiki or on the IDA Systems' website that this phone isn't fit for daily use. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, --- On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I should have waited before buying the FR. When I bought it in July, there | was no proper notice on the wiki or on the IDA Systems' website that this | phone isn't fit for daily use. \-- The Qtopia version works for me for daily use: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia My old phone works as a daily phone. I bought the FR for what I did not have - misery. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
When i ordered the phone the reseller said on the website that the phone isn't useable for daily use and is only for enthusiasts. And this information was everywhere in the net even at july when i ordered my phone. So don't say you didn't noticed this when you ordered your phone. Or did you just click-buy without researching anything about the things you want to buy? ;) Ciao, Rainer Nishit Dave wrote: 1. Is it necessary to do a reflash, or will update upgrade from 2008.8 work? 2. Is it worth the effort? From what I read on the wiki, the worst problems are yet unresolved. I should have waited before buying the FR. When I bought it in July, there was no proper notice on the wiki or on the IDA Systems' website that this phone isn't fit for daily use. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When i ordered the phone the reseller said on the website that the phone isn't useable for daily use and is only for enthusiasts. And this information was everywhere in the net even at july when i ordered my phone. So don't say you didn't noticed this when you ordered your phone. Or did you just click-buy without researching anything about the things you want to buy? ;) See: http://www.idasystems.net/ and http://www.idasystems.net/freerunner They have updated the website, raised the FR's price (because they didn't figure out octroi earlier?) but still no mention of it not being usable for daily use. In fact, when I bought it, they had a 30 day return policy, which I did not invoke, considering I should support the effort and trust Openmoko to deliver. Now they seem to have removed the return policy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When i ordered the phone the reseller said on the website that the phone isn't useable for daily use and is only for enthusiasts. And this information was everywhere in the net even at july when i ordered my phone. So don't say you didn't noticed this when you ordered your phone. Or did you just click-buy without researching anything about the things you want to buy? ;) See: http://www.idasystems.net/ and http://www.idasystems.net/freerunner They have updated the website, raised the FR's price (because they didn't figure out octroi earlier?) but still no mention of it not being usable for daily use. In fact, when I bought it, they had a 30 day return policy, which I did not invoke, considering I should support the effort and trust Openmoko to deliver. Now they seem to have removed the return policy. And by the way, what do Openmoko have to say about the FR? http://www.openmoko.com/product.html# The only (implied) warning one could have come across in the early days of the launch was the *Community Portal*, which is the wiki, saying that this was a developer release of the FR. So how many phone purchase decisions are made on the basis of a *community portal's* hint, when the corporate and reseller websites do not point out that it is an experimental device at all? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: And by the way, what do Openmoko have to say about the FR? http://www.openmoko.com/product.html# The only (implied) warning one could have come across in the early days of the launch was the *Community Portal*, which is the wiki, saying that this was a developer release of the FR. So how many phone purchase decisions are made on the basis of a *community portal's* hint, when the corporate and reseller websites do not point out that it is an experimental device at all? Sorry for the chain of posts, but when I bought the phone, IDA Systems claimed it had a 500 MHz processor. Now they have corrected their website to say it is 400 MHz. Are we trying to promote openness here, or damage it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Nishit Dave wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When i ordered the phone the reseller said on the website that the phone isn't useable for daily use and is only for enthusiasts. And this information was everywhere in the net even at july when i ordered my phone. So don't say you didn't noticed this when you ordered your phone. Or did you just click-buy without researching anything about the things you want to buy? ;) See: http://www.idasystems.net/ and http://www.idasystems.net/freerunner They have updated the website, raised the FR's price (because they didn't figure out octroi earlier?) but still no mention of it not being usable for daily use. In fact, when I bought it, they had a 30 day return policy, which I did not invoke, considering I should support the effort and trust Openmoko to deliver. Now they seem to have removed the return policy. And by the way, what do Openmoko have to say about the FR? http://www.openmoko.com/product.html# The only (implied) warning one could have come across in the early days of the launch was the *Community Portal*, which is the wiki, saying that this was a developer release of the FR. So how many phone purchase decisions are made on the basis of a *community portal's* hint, when the corporate and reseller websites do not point out that it is an experimental device at all? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I fail to see the purpose of this argument. With the right level of enthusiasm, a little configuration and remembering to plug it in when you're not there to manually suspend it, the phone works as a phone with 2008.8 just fine. I use mine every day and since receiving it have not turned on my old phone, not even once! Before I get flamed though I will state I am an avid Linux user. I am comfortable with command line or GUI, and actually tend to prefer the CLI. For those who are very new to Linux or are still scared of the command line might I suggest studying and becoming comfortable with CLI first for now since, until the software has been stabilized further, these complains will continue to exist. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see the purpose of this argument. With the right level of enthusiasm, a little configuration and remembering to plug it in when you're not there to manually suspend it, the phone works as a phone with 2008.8 just fine. I use mine every day and since receiving it have not turned on my old phone, not even once! More power to you! Before I get flamed though I will state I am an avid Linux user. I am comfortable with command line or GUI, and actually tend to prefer the CLI. For those who are very new to Linux or are still scared of the command line might I suggest studying and becoming comfortable with CLI first for now since, until the software has been stabilized further, these complains will continue to exist. I will wait avidly for the day, but I don't think I should be holding my breath. In the mean time, I hope the people at OM get their hands on a proper Linux phone, so they can see how really usable and bug-free it can be. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Robin Paulson wrote: i can't see any difference. except more instability - enlightenment crashes constantly. someone i know reported speed increases I should have waited before buying the FR. When I bought it in July, there was no proper notice on the wiki or on the IDA Systems' website that this phone isn't fit for daily use. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Instead I find it very usable and better stability. The only thing that I find totally useless is the OM-Locations... we need a very usable gps sotfware like navit ( with complete maps as navteq o telealtas and a routes engine ) so why don't port it onto Openmoko and use it instead of Om-Locations? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/2008.9-Basic-questions-tp1106131p1106178.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Nishit Dave wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see the purpose of this argument. With the right level of enthusiasm, a little configuration and remembering to plug it in when you're not there to manually suspend it, the phone works as a phone with 2008.8 just fine. I use mine every day and since receiving it have not turned on my old phone, not even once! More power to you! Before I get flamed though I will state I am an avid Linux user. I am comfortable with command line or GUI, and actually tend to prefer the CLI. For those who are very new to Linux or are still scared of the command line might I suggest studying and becoming comfortable with CLI first for now since, until the software has been stabilized further, these complains will continue to exist. I will wait avidly for the day, but I don't think I should be holding my breath. In the mean time, I hope the people at OM get their hands on a proper Linux phone, so they can see how really usable and bug-free it can be. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'd like to see one that isn't based heavily on Java other than openmoko. I had been waiting for this phone for 3 years because it just happened to be my forte. I know it's current usage as a phone can be daunting or limited but from the advancements I've seen just since I've started watching the community I can't wait to see what happens before the year is even over. Usability has improved, according to what I've read before I purchased my FR, by leaps and bounds in the past 6 months, I wait to see what the next 6 months hold. Also the OpenMoko software is going to change by leaps and bounds when FSO becomes stabilized. Software will have a base platform from which to build upon. It will be up to the developer to choose a front end and a language but the calls will all go to dbus. I do agree, the people who run that vendor's site SHOULD state it is still a developer centric release as of right now but there's nothing that will change what has already happened. If you're not impressed then please submit bug reports, feature requests, etc to the mailing lists, bug tracker or even the IRC chat. If there's one thing I have learned since joining the OpenMoko community, it is that people love to help in any way they can. I have worked with two developers so far to work on making a gui for flashing or managing your openmoko. I haven't contributed much code if any but I was just happy to help. Isn't that the point of open source and free software, /to share the knowledge you have with someone who has knowledge you might not/? -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Sorry for the chain of posts, but when I bought the phone, IDA Systems claimed it had a 500 MHz processor. Now they have corrected their website to say it is 400 MHz. Are we trying to promote openness here, or damage it? Dear Nishit, The 500MHz was based on early confusion based on the fact that the Samsung processor is capable of 500 Mhz but is clocked at 400 Mhz. The early buyers were offered 30 days return policy (we only get 28 days dead on arrival from Openmoko) for the very reason that some buyers may not like what the Freerunner offers. 30 days are over but in your case, as a special consideration, if you are not satisfied with the Freerunner please post it back to us and we will give you a full refund. We have limited supply of the Freerunner and need devices to send as review samples. Hope this will take you out of your misery a little. Regards, Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Just to add I too use Qtopia for my business use on a daily basis. Get some complains about voice quality otherwise managing ok. Rakshat On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 7:51 PM, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the chain of posts, but when I bought the phone, IDA Systems claimed it had a 500 MHz processor. Now they have corrected their website to say it is 400 MHz. Are we trying to promote openness here, or damage it? Dear Nishit, The 500MHz was based on early confusion based on the fact that the Samsung processor is capable of 500 Mhz but is clocked at 400 Mhz. The early buyers were offered 30 days return policy (we only get 28 days dead on arrival from Openmoko) for the very reason that some buyers may not like what the Freerunner offers. 30 days are over but in your case, as a special consideration, if you are not satisfied with the Freerunner please post it back to us and we will give you a full refund. We have limited supply of the Freerunner and need devices to send as review samples. Hope this will take you out of your misery a little. Regards, Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Well, the box certainly is in a fairly raw state, and most of the apps there are pretty basic in terms of polish and performance, surprisingly so to me, as it is a machine that is roughly the equivalent of a desktop that one might have used in the late '90s. However, I make use of it instead of carting around a laptop. You can run a lot of stuff on the machine from the Linux community if you just use the usb network connection to another PC. With 8 GB of storage on it, you probably don't need more for usual daily business apps, and while the bloatware out there is a possible problem, there is a huge amount of stuff that runs very nicely, thankyou, right on the phone. It also works fairly well as a basic phone/text gaget for me if the network signal is good. The only real irritations that I have found are: 1) GSM reception is poor compared to most standard phones, and positively crappy compared to an ancient Nokia I use. 2) GPS reception is flakey when not actually under clear sky. 3) Battery life is lousy. And of course, the buggy software can hurt. Surprisingly, I activated swap on my FR and stability and periodic slowing have improved. Don't know why that should be, but there you are. Generally, the performance of all the parts of this box is far better than the 33 Mhz i486 I ran Slackware 96 on back in the previous century, so, there is a solution out there. Whether the OM people are able to put it together is an open question. I suggest they hire some old people if they have not gotten some there already. If a programmer is old enough, he/she will know how to make everything run well in 16KB of memory and 128KB of 230ms disk access. rakshat hooja wrote: Sorry for the chain of posts, but when I bought the phone, IDA Systems claimed it had a 500 MHz processor. Now they have corrected their website to say it is 400 MHz. Are we trying to promote openness here, or damage it? Dear Nishit, The 500MHz was based on early confusion based on the fact that the Samsung processor is capable of 500 Mhz but is clocked at 400 Mhz. The early buyers were offered 30 days return policy (we only get 28 days dead on arrival from Openmoko) for the very reason that some buyers may not like what the Freerunner offers. 30 days are over but in your case, as a special consideration, if you are not satisfied with the Freerunner please post it back to us and we will give you a full refund. We have limited supply of the Freerunner and need devices to send as review samples. Hope this will take you out of your misery a little. Regards, Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com http://www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Iain B. Findleton Tel: 514-457-0744 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Iain B. Findleton wrote: And of course, the buggy software can hurt. Surprisingly, I activated swap on my FR and stability and periodic slowing have improved. Don't know why that should be, but there you are. The answer there is to run top while using the phone... you'll see that it's running at pretty much at the limits of the 128MB built in. Adding a swap file, while inefficient, will allow the kernel to swap unused pages to disk and allow more things to run, or at least lurch... 128MB is damned small these days... but then my first Linux box had 16MB of RAM, a 33Mhz CPU, a 100MB hard drive and a VGA card that could barely handle 800x600x 256 colors. -- Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 21:40 -0400, Alex Fitzpatrick wrote: Iain B. Findleton wrote: And of course, the buggy software can hurt. Surprisingly, I activated swap on my FR and stability and periodic slowing have improved. Don't know why that should be, but there you are. The answer there is to run top while using the phone... you'll see that it's running at pretty much at the limits of the 128MB built in. Adding a swap file, while inefficient, will allow the kernel to swap unused pages to disk and allow more things to run, or at least lurch... 128MB is damned small these days... but then my first Linux box had 16MB of RAM, a 33Mhz CPU, a 100MB hard drive and a VGA card that could barely handle 800x600x 256 colors. Is there a reccomended or best way to run swap on a FR. swapfile on the vfat partition (/media/card/), swapfile on an ext2 partition (/media/mmcblk0p2) or an actual swap partition (is the mounting of multiple partitions working reliably now? - used to be disastrous :) Size: 128Mb or 256Mb (the old recomendations for Unix was always 2 x memory because of core dumps) BillK -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
