Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
bingo Michele Renda wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This type of comments are the type of comment that I hate most of all. Please let the people to work in peace, and if you want to make an appoint, please make in a constructive way. We all was knowing that OM 2008.8 was in very early development, and no one force you to use it. People like you bring firms to have a close development process. Regards Michele Renda Olivier Berger wrote: Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear community, here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 was released. We simply forgot to send this report to a public list because we were too busy with the release preparations. Sorry. SNIP Due to all these critical major bugs, from our testing team point of view: Not stable enough to release our Om 2008.8. The subject says it all. No need for more comments, I guess. Maybe I should have quoted the release announcement email too ! Regards, -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIorE6SIAU/I6SkT0RArtsAJ9ga9+i0vG+Jo8Ke6WcrpBIBBH9IwCgrcv7 wbS2DAkeN67OZifSbq8H9Xk= =guq/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
Since we're top posting... I just want to throw in that I really like OM 2008.8. After seeing all the problems people had with it when it came out I went to the newest Qtopia but I had issues with reception and using devices like headsets/speakerphone. I then decided to try OM 2008.8. At first the bugs bothered me, but then I learned it a bit. I haven't had the incoming call-cannot answer problem in a while. That bugged me the most. Now, I am only using the phone features and texting really at this point, but it imported all my contacts just fine. The battery life isn't outstanding but I am sure it will get better. All-in-all I think its decent. I had a hard time on occasions when going to dialer, then contacts then tapping the contact. It wouldn't always select the contact and go to the screen where I could place a call. I found that double tapping with my finger seems to always work, lets the phone know I am serious I guess hahaha. Anyway, I am grateful OM is here, I waited a long time with my Treo 650, not replacing it until the Neo came out. So far its not perfect, but its definitely a step in the right direction, and I have a ton of confidence its going to be fantastic in the next several months as things get worked out. Thanks again. And thanks to the community that has been so supportive. Steve Mosher wrote: bingo Michele Renda wrote: This type of comments are the type of comment that I hate most of all. Please let the people to work in peace, and if you want to make an appoint, please make in a constructive way. We all was knowing that OM 2008.8 was in very early development, and no one force you to use it. People like you bring firms to have a close development process. Regards Michele Renda Olivier Berger wrote: Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear community, here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 was released. We simply forgot to send this report to a public list because we were too busy with the release preparations. Sorry. SNIP Due to all these critical major bugs, from our testing team point of view: Not stable enough to release our Om 2008.8. The subject says it all. No need for more comments, I guess. Maybe I should have quoted the release announcement email too ! Regards, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Fights, flamewars and other disputes are part of a live community, so Not the good part. Collaboration, cooperation, and positive attitudes are the only thing that really count. Most of what I read on our community mailing list is utter garbage spewed from people with bad attitudes and a chip on their should. They are not Linus and they shouldn't act like they are. They should spend more time meditating, doing QA, or software development and reporting bugs or providing patches in a fashion that help the project and less time ranting... Yeah we all wish the OM stack was more stable (especially OM!). Thanks all. Peace. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
pfff... this rant is pointless. Do you prefer to see unterminated but promising software NOW, or finished, not evolving software in LONG future? buggy software is just a way to non buggy software. At least you can see what is done now. If you don't like it, go back to your iphone/windows vista, and wait for bugs to be corrected without even knowing about them. Moreover you can't say you haven't been warned: Openmoko is a work in progress. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This type of comments are the type of comment that I hate most of all. Please let the people to work in peace, and if you want to make an appoint, please make in a constructive way. We all was knowing that OM 2008.8 was in very early development, and no one force you to use it. People like you bring firms to have a close development process. Regards Michele Renda Olivier Berger wrote: Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear community, here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 was released. We simply forgot to send this report to a public list because we were too busy with the release preparations. Sorry. SNIP Due to all these critical major bugs, from our testing team point of view: Not stable enough to release our Om 2008.8. The subject says it all. No need for more comments, I guess. Maybe I should have quoted the release announcement email too ! Regards, -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIorE6SIAU/I6SkT0RArtsAJ9ga9+i0vG+Jo8Ke6WcrpBIBBH9IwCgrcv7 wbS2DAkeN67OZifSbq8H9Xk= =guq/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:54, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pfff... this rant is pointless. Do you prefer to see unterminated but promising software NOW, or finished, not evolving software in LONG future? buggy software is just a way to non buggy software. At least you can see what is done now. If you don't like it, go back to your iphone/windows vista, and wait for bugs to be corrected without even knowing about them. Moreover you can't say you haven't been warned: Openmoko is a work in progress. Well of course but I think what he pointed is the misleading 2008.8 release and mail announcement. It looked like it was at least a bit stable. (Not perfect of course) But in fact it was not really more mature than previous ASU available. Looked like ASU was aplha dev, tadaaa here is the final beta 2008.8, finally a real releasable distro But actually I did not find it really more usable than previous ASU (evolutions of course, but not really usable...) Those waiting this release to switch to ASU (not totally mature enough for their use) were disappointed because it did not bring enough stability to justify the switch. And the announcement did not really show that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
It's easy to blame an announcement. Openmoko NEVER said any software realeased as now was 100% ready for daily customer use. When it will become, be sure the announcement and publicity will be far greater than anyone we had up to now. Keeping hope is good, but expecting what was never promised is disappointing, yes. For my part I will always encourage the GREAT team work that comes out from this community/open company association. Keep up the intense work, Openmoko! Sebastien ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 +1 Sébastien Lorquet wrote: It's easy to blame an announcement. Openmoko NEVER said any software realeased as now was 100% ready for daily customer use. When it will become, be sure the announcement and publicity will be far greater than anyone we had up to now. Keeping hope is good, but expecting what was never promised is disappointing, yes. For my part I will always encourage the GREAT team work that comes out from this community/open company association. Keep up the intense work, Openmoko! Sebastien ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIorfYSIAU/I6SkT0RArHmAJ9MOjV8tYkBvMmfM/uaVEuXWSayDACeNVJ9 IhGGlJUAb0zKsxdLAAQ+azE= =9COa -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 12:25 +0200, Sébastien Lorquet wrote: It's easy to blame an announcement. +10 Openmoko NEVER said any software realeased as now was 100% ready for daily customer use. I don't think that counts. This no excuse because people automatically expect things. So you don't have to announce it as 100%. You have to do it if it is not 100% to lower expectations and this would have been a good idea if the post about the test results came before the release announcement. Little strategic failure :) So -100 When it will become, be sure the announcement and publicity will be far greater than anyone we had up to now. Keeping hope is good, but expecting what was never promised is disappointing, yes. For my part I will always encourage the GREAT team work that comes out from this community/open company association. Keep up the intense work, Openmoko! +1000 still some cents left Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
On Wednesday, 13. August 2008 18:02:35 Michele Renda wrote: People like you bring firms to have a close development process. Following our new trac culture: +1 Marek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This type of comments are the type of comment that I hate most of all. Please let the people to work in peace, and if you want to make an appoint, please make in a constructive way. We all was knowing that OM 2008.8 was in very early development, and no one force you to use it. People like you bring firms to have a close development process. Please re-read http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025619.html ! I'd have expected a release announcement saying that it was not ready, because (as QA report exhibited) there were major problems, but that, still, people who would like to help could test-drive it. It was all like : it's much better than 2007.2, which it wasn't for serious reasons. Hence my disappointment (which turned into anger, with the bugtracker usage misunderstandings). Again, this was a big frustration for all those who believed in what was announced in the release message. But I think I have made enough rant. Be sure that this won't stop me from trying to be as constructive as I can in other technical areas. Lookin' forward for next batch of updates, and let's see if QA work is more seriously taken into consideration before releasing, then. Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Olivier Berger wrote: Please re-read http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025619.html ! Hi Oliver Usually I do this 2-3 times, because I am not an enlgish native speaker. And with written text usually is a bit more difficult to understand the tone of a message I'd have expected a release announcement saying that it was not ready, because (as QA report exhibited) there were major problems, but that, still, people who would like to help could test-drive it. It was all like : it's much better than 2007.2, which it wasn't for serious reasons. Hence my disappointment (which turned into anger, with the bugtracker usage misunderstandings). No one is perfect. Neither the person that work in Openmoko. They are only humans, and may be they liked so much 2008.8 that they said: for us is like a stable release. Is possible they was wrong, but these is no reason to be in angry with them, because they shared their errors with us. Belive me, in every development process errors happens. The important thing is how it will be solved. Some people asked to divide the development image from *enought* stables image, other did other propouse. To write an email when you are in angry and fustrated is not the best way to help them. If we continue to attach them in this way, them will finish to see us more like customers (or ennemy) than a community. And I don't like to be a customer. Again, this was a big frustration for all those who believed in what was announced in the release message. But I think I have made enough rant. Be sure that this won't stop me from trying to be as constructive as I can in other technical areas. I apologize if I said you was not constructive, but according me is very important to let them to understand we want to be with them, and not against them, like a lot of email I read in these days. Lookin' forward for next batch of updates, and let's see if QA work is more seriously taken into consideration before releasing, then. Best regards, Best regards :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIotXiSIAU/I6SkT0RApFaAJ93uodMWN/RbkiAK6m+j4rpJ5R6ewCfQopr W2u6ehl6W9/uYcneynDC+vI= =Bx9+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Be sure that this won't stop me from trying to be as constructive as I can in other technical areas. I apologize if I said you was not constructive, but according me is very important to let them to understand we want to be with them, and not against them, like a lot of email I read in these days. Fights, flamewars and other disputes are part of a live community, so I hope I won't have discouraged them too much by being harsh at welcoming them to the wonderfull world of angry customer both contributor mixed environment. Best luck Openmoko employees for next releases. /me goes back to fighting other bugs (not Openmoko related). -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ahah: and you released anyway ? - Re: [ Software Testing Report : 2008.08.07 ]
Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear community, here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 was released. We simply forgot to send this report to a public list because we were too busy with the release preparations. Sorry. SNIP Due to all these critical major bugs, from our testing team point of view: Not stable enough to release our Om 2008.8. The subject says it all. No need for more comments, I guess. Maybe I should have quoted the release announcement email too ! Regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
