Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 09:35 -0500, Adam King wrote: Hi Michael: As I mentioned in a previous email to you, I'm in a 850Mhz _only_ area - so I can test the handset for you - though I am in Canada. Provider is Rogers and the area is Ottawa. Also, would there be any possibility of releasing the changes made to the GTA01 to make it 850Mhz compatible? Or maybe a service to send in our GTA01 to have the modifications made (for a reasonable price)? Hey, what area of town do you live in? I have a 1900-only phone (afaik) and it gets reasonable coverage. Thanks, Adam King -- Regards, Andrew Clunis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Dnia poniedziałek, 10 grudnia 2007, Richard Reichenbacher napisał: I am a student at the University of Arizona and work for the IT department. We have one of the worlds largest Cisco Radius wifi setups in the world. Our main wifi network uses wpa enterprise with peap authentication and the equifax secure certificate for loging in. Currently, we are unable to find a cell phone that will work with our network. None of them support wpa enterprise with peap authentication. Is there any chance that the GTA02 will support this? For connecting to WPA networks WPA Supplicant [1] is used. Currently it supports few EAP-PEAP modes: EAP-PEAP/MSCHAPv2 (both PEAPv0 and PEAPv1) EAP-PEAP/TLS (both PEAPv0 and PEAPv1) EAP-PEAP/GTC (both PEAPv0 and PEAPv1) EAP-PEAP/OTP (both PEAPv0 and PEAPv1) EAP-PEAP/MD5-Challenge (both PEAPv0 and PEAPv1) If you are able to connect to that network with Linux laptop then you should be able to connect with GTA02. I do not know does WiFi driver was tested with encryption yet. 1. http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/ We have been able to connect perfectly with any distro and Network-Manager. It's actually much easier to do it in Linux than in Windows. The issue is that most companies don't see wpa-enterprise as a necessity for a cell phone. Unfortunately our setup is become very popular among other college campuses and wifi capable cell phones are becoming more popular among college students. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
On Monday 10 December 2007, Nick Guenther wrote: On 12/9/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, GSM Firmware update: We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties, and all that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks! 850MHz experiment: As mentioned before we're looking into offering an 850MHz variant of the triband GTA02. Since the GSM section is essentially the same between GTA01 and GTA02, we thought a good experiment would be to modify a couple GTA01 handsets for 850MHz and to test them out here in the USA. I just received these handsets on Friday and am now trying to figure out how to thoroughly test them. Rather than me traveling around the country, it might make sense to ship them to various users to test them with different carriers. Please write to me if you are in an 850MHz area and are interested in participating. By modify do you mean update GSM chip firmware or update linux-level GSM driver or something else all together? I have a GTA01 and I'm in an 850/1900 area. I can help test, if you point me in the right direction. Modify as in change some of the components on the board. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Michael, I'm in an 850/1900 area as well. I live in eastern Pennsylvania (Lehigh Valley) and often drive to/from New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. I sometimes drive to the suburban Philadelphia area as well. My mobile provider is ATT and my current phone's SIM chip is listed as working with GTA01 in the wiki. Pat -- http://tllts.org/ - The Linux Link Tech Show http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/blog/ - My blog ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
In regards to the 850MHz Issue: It seems that very little effort was required to switch a phone board to 850 for testing. So my question is what exactly is involved. Was it simply switching which pin is attached to the antenna? If it is a relatively simple circuit change and involving only a top (or bottom) layer trace, is it possible to tell us what connections to change to convert an existing unit to 850MHz. Obviously only for the very experienced people. If there is different capacitor, etc required to match the frequency it might be less doable, but details would be nice. once the design has been confirmed. On a side note this is excellent news that the 850 variant may not be far behind GTA02. Mark Mark ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Hi Michael: As I mentioned in a previous email to you, I'm in a 850Mhz _only_ area - so I can test the handset for you - though I am in Canada. Provider is Rogers and the area is Ottawa. Also, would there be any possibility of releasing the changes made to the GTA01 to make it 850Mhz compatible? Or maybe a service to send in our GTA01 to have the modifications made (for a reasonable price)? Thanks, Adam King On Dec 9, 2007 7:01 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, GSM Firmware update: We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties, and all that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks! 850MHz experiment: As mentioned before we're looking into offering an 850MHz variant of the triband GTA02. Since the GSM section is essentially the same between GTA01 and GTA02, we thought a good experiment would be to modify a couple GTA01 handsets for 850MHz and to test them out here in the USA. I just received these handsets on Friday and am now trying to figure out how to thoroughly test them. Rather than me traveling around the country, it might make sense to ship them to various users to test them with different carriers. Please write to me if you are in an 850MHz area and are interested in participating. Wifi driver: We're making very good progress, but it's still not finished. GTA02 hardware: Still waiting for the Wifi driver to verify the Wifi hardware, but so far we're feeling quite good about this part. There are a couple of other things to verify, and as mentioned before we will most likely make another revision of the board, which will hopefully be the production-ready revision. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Depending on the level of complexity, this could be *great* news for me. I don't travel internationally that often (currently, but the frequency could always up in the future) so having quad-band is borderline nice and necessity. But if I could make changes (before/after trips) to switch the bands, then I might consider that a workable solution. I'm fairly handy with a soldering iron, so as long as it isn't too complex I'd feel comfortable doing it. I know that they are probably into very finalized versions of the hardware, but it might be worth looking into how much change would be required to ease the transition between bands. Example, if it is just a small number of wires that has to be changed, possibly creating a switch to toggle between the settings. I, for one, would consider that a more than suitable workaround and almost nullify my no-quadband issues. -Jonathon -Original Message- From: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:32:50 -0500 In regards to the 850MHz Issue: It seems that very little effort was required to switch a phone board to 850 for testing. So my question is what exactly is involved. Was it simply switching which pin is attached to the antenna? If it is a relatively simple circuit change and involving only a top (or bottom) layer trace, is it possible to tell us what connections to change to convert an existing unit to 850MHz. Obviously only for the very experienced people. If there is different capacitor, etc required to match the frequency it might be less doable, but details would be nice. once the design has been confirmed. On a side note this is excellent news that the 850 variant may not be far behind GTA02. Mark Mark ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
I would also be very interested in re-work instructions for modifying a GTA01 to support 850MHz as many of us are capable doing circuit modifications. Thanks, Cliff On Dec 10, 2007 9:32 AM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In regards to the 850MHz Issue: It seems that very little effort was required to switch a phone board to 850 for testing. So my question is what exactly is involved. Was it simply switching which pin is attached to the antenna? If it is a relatively simple circuit change and involving only a top (or bottom) layer trace, is it possible to tell us what connections to change to convert an existing unit to 850MHz. Obviously only for the very experienced people. If there is different capacitor, etc required to match the frequency it might be less doable, but details would be nice. once the design has been confirmed. On a side note this is excellent news that the 850 variant may not be far behind GTA02. Mark Mark ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- === Cliff Brake http://bec-systems.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
As has been discussed earlier, this is not a change you can make yourself. Conceivably, you could change the components yourself, if you had the right equipment, but there are also changes to the firmware that you can not make yourself. There is no possibility of adding a switch, as a number of components have to be replaced. Michael Jonathon Suggs wrote: Depending on the level of complexity, this could be *great* news for me. I don't travel internationally that often (currently, but the frequency could always up in the future) so having quad-band is borderline nice and necessity. But if I could make changes (before/after trips) to switch the bands, then I might consider that a workable solution. I'm fairly handy with a soldering iron, so as long as it isn't too complex I'd feel comfortable doing it. I know that they are probably into very finalized versions of the hardware, but it might be worth looking into how much change would be required to ease the transition between bands. Example, if it is just a small number of wires that has to be changed, possibly creating a switch to toggle between the settings. I, for one, would consider that a more than suitable workaround and almost nullify my no-quadband issues. -Jonathon -Original Message- From: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:32:50 -0500 In regards to the 850MHz Issue: It seems that very little effort was required to switch a phone board to 850 for testing. So my question is what exactly is involved. Was it simply switching which pin is attached to the antenna? If it is a relatively simple circuit change and involving only a top (or bottom) layer trace, is it possible to tell us what connections to change to convert an existing unit to 850MHz. Obviously only for the very experienced people. If there is different capacitor, etc required to match the frequency it might be less doable, but details would be nice. once the design has been confirmed. On a side note this is excellent news that the 850 variant may not be far behind GTA02. Mark Mark ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
As mentioned earlier, this requires replacing a number of components, firmware changes, and recalibration. Michael Mark wrote: In regards to the 850MHz Issue: It seems that very little effort was required to switch a phone board to 850 for testing. So my question is what exactly is involved. Was it simply switching which pin is attached to the antenna? If it is a relatively simple circuit change and involving only a top (or bottom) layer trace, is it possible to tell us what connections to change to convert an existing unit to 850MHz. Obviously only for the very experienced people. If there is different capacitor, etc required to match the frequency it might be less doable, but details would be nice. once the design has been confirmed. On a side note this is excellent news that the 850 variant may not be far behind GTA02. Mark Mark ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Yes, but not the recalibration or the firmware changes. One step at a time - let's see if these units work, and if so, we'll look into if there is any way to tackle the other issues. Michael Cliff Brake wrote: I would also be very interested in re-work instructions for modifying a GTA01 to support 850MHz as many of us are capable doing circuit modifications. Thanks, Cliff On Dec 10, 2007 9:32 AM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In regards to the 850MHz Issue: It seems that very little effort was required to switch a phone board to 850 for testing. So my question is what exactly is involved. Was it simply switching which pin is attached to the antenna? If it is a relatively simple circuit change and involving only a top (or bottom) layer trace, is it possible to tell us what connections to change to convert an existing unit to 850MHz. Obviously only for the very experienced people. If there is different capacitor, etc required to match the frequency it might be less doable, but details would be nice. once the design has been confirmed. On a side note this is excellent news that the 850 variant may not be far behind GTA02. Mark Mark ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Jason Joines wrote: Is there any possibility of a future hardware version becoming quad band? As mentioned earlier, there is no chance that GTA02 will be quad-band. There is certainly a possibility that future products will be quad-band. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
I'm curious, since these 850 variants are most likely going to be an option, when can we expect them? Are they going to be available at the same time as the public offering of the GTA02, or are they going to be available way after that? On Dec 9, 2007 6:01 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, GSM Firmware update: We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties, and all that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks! 850MHz experiment: As mentioned before we're looking into offering an 850MHz variant of the triband GTA02. Since the GSM section is essentially the same between GTA01 and GTA02, we thought a good experiment would be to modify a couple GTA01 handsets for 850MHz and to test them out here in the USA. I just received these handsets on Friday and am now trying to figure out how to thoroughly test them. Rather than me traveling around the country, it might make sense to ship them to various users to test them with different carriers. Please write to me if you are in an 850MHz area and are interested in participating. Wifi driver: We're making very good progress, but it's still not finished. GTA02 hardware: Still waiting for the Wifi driver to verify the Wifi hardware, but so far we're feeling quite good about this part. There are a couple of other things to verify, and as mentioned before we will most likely make another revision of the board, which will hopefully be the production-ready revision. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Hello Tim, OpenMoko does not predict when things will be ready; rather, we try to communicate as much as possible on what we are doing and what we hope to do. By the way, you say ... most likely going to be an option I'd like to point out that we are still evaluating the possibility of offering an 850MHz variant and have come to no such conclusion ourselves. Regards, Michael Tim Shannon wrote: I'm curious, since these 850 variants are most likely going to be an option, when can we expect them? Are they going to be available at the same time as the public offering of the GTA02, or are they going to be available way after that? On Dec 9, 2007 6:01 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, GSM Firmware update: We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties, and all that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks! 850MHz experiment: As mentioned before we're looking into offering an 850MHz variant of the triband GTA02. Since the GSM section is essentially the same between GTA01 and GTA02, we thought a good experiment would be to modify a couple GTA01 handsets for 850MHz and to test them out here in the USA. I just received these handsets on Friday and am now trying to figure out how to thoroughly test them. Rather than me traveling around the country, it might make sense to ship them to various users to test them with different carriers. Please write to me if you are in an 850MHz area and are interested in participating. Wifi driver: We're making very good progress, but it's still not finished. GTA02 hardware: Still waiting for the Wifi driver to verify the Wifi hardware, but so far we're feeling quite good about this part. There are a couple of other things to verify, and as mentioned before we will most likely make another revision of the board, which will hopefully be the production-ready revision. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Wifi driver: We're making very good progress, but it's still not finished. GTA02 hardware: Still waiting for the Wifi driver to verify the Wifi hardware, but so far we're feeling quite good about this part. There are a couple of other things to verify, and as mentioned before we will most likely make another revision of the board, which will hopefully be the production-ready revision. Regards, Michael Hey Michael, I am a student at the University of Arizona and work for the IT department. We have one of the worlds largest Cisco Radius wifi setups in the world. Our main wifi network uses wpa enterprise with peap authentication and the equifax secure certificate for loging in. Currently, we are unable to find a cell phone that will work with our network. None of them support wpa enterprise with peap authentication. Is there any chance that the GTA02 will support this? Thanks, Richard Reichenbacher ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Wifi driver: We're making very good progress, but it's still not finished. GTA02 hardware: Still waiting for the Wifi driver to verify the Wifi hardware, but so far we're feeling quite good about this part. There are a couple of other things to verify, and as mentioned before we will most likely make another revision of the board, which will hopefully be the production-ready revision. Regards, Michael Hey Michael, I am a student at the University of Arizona and work for the IT department. We have one of the worlds largest Cisco Radius wifi setups in the world. Our main wifi network uses wpa enterprise with peap authentication and the equifax secure certificate for loging in. Currently, we are unable to find a cell phone that will work with our network. None of them support wpa enterprise with peap authentication. Is there any chance that the GTA02 will support this? Hi Richard, That's an excellent question, one to which I don't know the answer. I'll forward this on to the Wifi driver people, in case they are not on this list. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
On 12/9/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, GSM Firmware update: We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties, and all that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks! 850MHz experiment: As mentioned before we're looking into offering an 850MHz variant of the triband GTA02. Since the GSM section is essentially the same between GTA01 and GTA02, we thought a good experiment would be to modify a couple GTA01 handsets for 850MHz and to test them out here in the USA. I just received these handsets on Friday and am now trying to figure out how to thoroughly test them. Rather than me traveling around the country, it might make sense to ship them to various users to test them with different carriers. Please write to me if you are in an 850MHz area and are interested in participating. By modify do you mean update GSM chip firmware or update linux-level GSM driver or something else all together? I have a GTA01 and I'm in an 850/1900 area. I can help test, if you point me in the right direction. -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, GSM Firmware update: We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties, and all that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks! 850MHz experiment: As mentioned before we're looking into offering an 850MHz variant of the triband GTA02. Since the GSM section is essentially the same between GTA01 and GTA02, we thought a good experiment would be to modify a couple GTA01 handsets for 850MHz and to test them out here in the USA. I just received these handsets on Friday and am now trying to figure out how to thoroughly test them. Rather than me traveling around the country, it might make sense to ship them to various users to test them with different carriers. Please write to me if you are in an 850MHz area and are interested in participating. Hey Michael, I just realized that I might be road tripping from Tucson, AZ to Fort Myers, Fl sometime soon. I'd be able to test 850 all along the south. Let me know if I might qualify for the test. Richard Reichenbacher ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Hi, I live in Southern Minnesota, in the area indicated by the blue spot on this map: http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/cing-attws_800_850.html It would seem that I would be a candidate for testing the 850mhz reception. Let me know if I can help. -Will On Dec 9, 2007 8:46 PM, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, GSM Firmware update: We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties, and all that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks! 850MHz experiment: As mentioned before we're looking into offering an 850MHz variant of the triband GTA02. Since the GSM section is essentially the same between GTA01 and GTA02, we thought a good experiment would be to modify a couple GTA01 handsets for 850MHz and to test them out here in the USA. I just received these handsets on Friday and am now trying to figure out how to thoroughly test them. Rather than me traveling around the country, it might make sense to ship them to various users to test them with different carriers. Please write to me if you are in an 850MHz area and are interested in participating. Hey Michael, I just realized that I might be road tripping from Tucson, AZ to Fort Myers, Fl sometime soon. I'd be able to test 850 all along the south. Let me know if I might qualify for the test. Richard Reichenbacher ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
Dnia poniedziałek, 10 grudnia 2007, Richard Reichenbacher napisał: I am a student at the University of Arizona and work for the IT department. We have one of the worlds largest Cisco Radius wifi setups in the world. Our main wifi network uses wpa enterprise with peap authentication and the equifax secure certificate for loging in. Currently, we are unable to find a cell phone that will work with our network. None of them support wpa enterprise with peap authentication. Is there any chance that the GTA02 will support this? For connecting to WPA networks WPA Supplicant [1] is used. Currently it supports few EAP-PEAP modes: EAP-PEAP/MSCHAPv2 (both PEAPv0 and PEAPv1) EAP-PEAP/TLS (both PEAPv0 and PEAPv1) EAP-PEAP/GTC (both PEAPv0 and PEAPv1) EAP-PEAP/OTP (both PEAPv0 and PEAPv1) EAP-PEAP/MD5-Challenge (both PEAPv0 and PEAPv1) If you are able to connect to that network with Linux laptop then you should be able to connect with GTA02. I do not know does WiFi driver was tested with encryption yet. 1. http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/ -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant Gdyby człowiek musiał zezwalać innym na to, co toleruje u siebie, życie byłoby nie do wytrzymania. [Georges Courteline] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
