Compatibility with dual sim tool
Hi guys, just lost my phone and it's the best occasion for buying a FreeRunner! As I'd like to use it for both work and home number, I'd like to know if it might work with this dual-sim tool: http://www.simore.ch/en/index.php They have two options: a version with sim card cutting and a version that allow not to cut it. I'd prefer the second one, for being the second sim card belonging to the office. Mainly I think it's a space problem, but I really know a few about the free runner sw compatibility and the space inside. Forgot to mention that I'd have no problem to use it with OpenMoko and Android, for if they have different compatibility. I really hope to have an answer as it would give a definitive solution to my phone problems!. Thanks a lot. emanuele ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Compatibility with dual sim tool
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 03:40:51PM +0200, emanuele carrea wrote: Hi guys, just lost my phone and it's the best occasion for buying a FreeRunner! As I'd like to use it for both work and home number, I'd like to know if it might work with this dual-sim tool: http://www.simore.ch/en/index.php It doesn't really use two SIMs at the same time, does it? If I understand correctly, you need some software to alternate between one and the other. If that is so, and if the interface for the adaptor is undocumented, it is likely it won't ever work. Rui -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Compatibility with dual sim tool
Actually thei claim you can use both or choose which one to use, it probably emulates one sim, comprehensive of the two you put inside. They say it's compatible with smartpgones and pdas. here is a brief description. http://www.simore.ch/en/technology.php For what I can get from the site, but it's my interpretation, in thus unified sim they create some additional services, like the ones you get from the telephony providers, for managing the two sims. On the faqs I found this one that is quite discouraging: *May I receive phone calls on both numbers at the same time?* Mobile Phone are composed by only 1 receptor and 1 transmitter. So they can not connect simultaneously 2 SIM card on 2 different networks. Nevertheless you can activate the auto switch function allowing you to settle you switch sequence with a high flexibility. That way, you are rapidly notified of a missing call. Example: 1 hour 35 minutes on SIM 1 and 5 minutes on SIM 2. Thus it's just a card switcher...It seemd strange it could connect to twp different networks. Anyway still it's an interesting tool. Cheers 2009/7/20 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 03:40:51PM +0200, emanuele carrea wrote: Hi guys, just lost my phone and it's the best occasion for buying a FreeRunner! As I'd like to use it for both work and home number, I'd like to know if it might work with this dual-sim tool: http://www.simore.ch/en/index.php It doesn't really use two SIMs at the same time, does it? If I understand correctly, you need some software to alternate between one and the other. If that is so, and if the interface for the adaptor is undocumented, it is likely it won't ever work. Rui -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Compatibility with dual sim tool
hi, Are these cards managed via the 'SIM application toolkit'? If so, I think only the QT has a menu for the SIM application toolkit. (does not exist on other distros) chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Compatibility-with-dual-sim-tool-tp3288865p3290807.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
would it, in theory, be possible to emulate a 2nd sim-card which was inserted and saved on the flash memory before and switch between it and the inserted one? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
No, because you don't have access to everything in a sim card and thus can't copy it. Ortwin On 6/12/08, Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would it, in theory, be possible to emulate a 2nd sim-card which was inserted and saved on the flash memory before and switch between it and the inserted one? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dual SIM?
this should do the trick: http://ucables.com/ref/2-SIMS-IN1 or http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-CLONE you still need the IMSI and Ki numbers, but those can be obtained (at least that is what i read a long while ago) but emulating would be much more fun :) y _ Probeer Live Search: de zoekmachine van de makers van MSN! http://www.live.com/?searchOnly=true___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
On Thu, June 12, 2008 3:21 pm, Bumbl wrote: would it, in theory, be possible to emulate a 2nd sim-card which was inserted and saved on the flash memory before and switch between it and the inserted one? In theory this is possible if you can extract the 128 bit crypto key inside the SIM which is used to authenticate the SIM card to the network. Because of weaknesses in the crypto algorithms used by GSM it is possible to extract that secret from a SIM card using about 60 000 chosen challenges, which can be done in about 12 hours. (assuming the SIM card does not have a retry counter) If you manage to do all of that, then yes you could have as software copy of one or more SIM cards and switch between them, thought the GSM module will only ever be able to use one at a time. You should also bear in mind, that some people may consider cloning SIM cards to be illegal computer hacking or circumvention technology, especially networks who might object to you using cloned SIM cards to do least cost routing. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SE-17.pdf -- David Pottage Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Bumbl: would it, in theory, be possible to emulate a 2nd sim-card which was inserted and saved on the flash memory before and switch between it and the inserted one? SIM cards implement an on-board crypographic authentication mechanism that simply can't be downloaded and saved somewhere else. You may download and copy your contacts, that's it. Noting else. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Yorick Matthys: this should do the trick: http://ucables.com/ref/2-SIMS-IN1 or http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-CLONE you still need the IMSI and Ki numbers, but those can be obtained (at least that is what i read a long while ago) but emulating would be much more fun :) [quote] System Requirements: Software works best with Windows98 IMPORTANT NOTE: The device is only compatible with GSM SIM COMP128-V1, If you try to read a SIM card bought since June 2002 you may not be able to do it, because phone operator companies are changing the algorhythm for the implementation of KI and IMSI encryptation. [/quote] Do you have MORE THAN ONE simcard that's older than 6years and you still want to use them? /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb David Pottage: On Thu, June 12, 2008 3:21 pm, Bumbl wrote: would it, in theory, be possible to emulate a 2nd sim-card which was inserted and saved on the flash memory before and switch between it and the inserted one? In theory this is possible if you can extract the 128 bit crypto key inside the SIM which is used to authenticate the SIM card to the network. Because of weaknesses in the crypto algorithms used by GSM it is possible to extract that secret from a SIM card using about 60 000 chosen challenges, which can be done in about 12 hours. (assuming the SIM card does not have a retry counter) If you manage to do all of that, then yes you could have as software copy of one or more SIM cards and switch between them, thought the GSM module will only ever be able to use one at a time. And our GSM-module uses the card inserted in the reader by directly connecting to it, in the first place. You probably could emulate sim-auth profile over BT to the AT-port of GSM-module, though. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dual SIM?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi. I'm quite sure the answer is no but as I didn't find any definitive answer for that I decided to ask: does the openmoko hardware support 2 SIM cards? []s Adilson. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIUBYZ2cB5Bt7H7YARAranAJ42l1mQeDd8z/HlYC9bcqTptAI1UgCgoJZC XRsqcU6XHall3sYaq42jgcs= =tW0/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
no Not directly at least, it should be possible however to connect another phone that has bluetooth up to it, and allow it to act in nearly the same way. HTH, Federico On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Adilson Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi. I'm quite sure the answer is no but as I didn't find any definitive answer for that I decided to ask: does the openmoko hardware support 2 SIM cards? []s Adilson. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIUBYZ2cB5Bt7H7YARAranAJ42l1mQeDd8z/HlYC9bcqTptAI1UgCgoJZC XRsqcU6XHall3sYaq42jgcs= =tW0/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
No ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joerg Reisenweber escreveu: No. ;-) I thought so :) It's a pity, but the GSM-module won't support that - none will. And anything less than true *concurrent* usage - like electrical swappers where you can select which SIM to boot to, is just crap not worth designing for. Well we could implement two modules XD . Obvious case of it's not that free as we would like it. Otherwise we could have hacked the GSM-firmware. Can't be that hard, simple periodic context switching. So, cells like the samsung d880 just swap electrically between the 2 SIM cards? The spec say you can use both cards at the same time but don't say exactly what same time means. []s Adilson. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIUDi32cB5Bt7H7YARAqW0AKCIzYgIfTtdgNkBLMlFE9zt7PFMygCg0Zmn 1QEx2kze+ljYAHDmIF20FW0= =NiMx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
The Freerunner has a single SIM slot. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Adilson Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi. I'm quite sure the answer is no but as I didn't find any definitive answer for that I decided to ask: does the openmoko hardware support 2 SIM cards? []s Adilson. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIUBYZ2cB5Bt7H7YARAranAJ42l1mQeDd8z/HlYC9bcqTptAI1UgCgoJZC XRsqcU6XHall3sYaq42jgcs= =tW0/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual SIM?
Am Mi 11. Juni 2008 schrieb Adilson Oliveira: So, cells like the samsung d880 just swap electrically between the 2 SIM cards? The spec say you can use both cards at the same time but don't say exactly what same time means. There are phones out there that use 2 or 3 cards true-concurrently. I'm speaking of modules we can use for freerunner - I don't know of any that's supporting this feature. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
Hello. Ilja O. pisze: It was already said that two SIMs working simultaneously would require two trancievers. This is obviously is not a case of GTA02. Planning feature list for GTA(03|04) is quite a waste of time until GTA02 will be released. AFAIK gsm modem is about 1/3 of phone production costs. IMHO basic neo would never have two modems as it's still very rare to use dual-sim and it would generate unwanted neo's price rise. Regards. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
On 11 Dec 2007, at 13:37, David Pottage wrote: On Tue, December 11, 2007 8:08 am, Bartlomiej Zdanowski [Zdanek] wrote: dual-SIM slot in their products. And both SIMs are active at the same time! It requires two GSM modems inside Neo. That closes this issue. Only if both SIMs are active on networks at once. While that would be nice, I don't think that is what people are asking for. pantomime Oh, yes it is! /pantomime Stroller. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
On 11 Dec 2007, at 14:06, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:37:02 +0100, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoon.com wrote: The dual SIM products you can buy after market, take two SIM cards, and provide a way for to switch between them, either by rebooting the phone, or via a SIM services menu. This isn't exactly true. In some dual-SIM phones that have recently entered the market... Those would no longer be _after market_ products. Stroller. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
Hi. kkr pisze: dual-SIM slot in their products. And both SIMs are active at the same time! It requires two GSM modems inside Neo. That closes this issue. Regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
dual-SIM slot in their products. And both SIMs are active at the same time! It requires two GSM modems inside Neo. That closes this issue. Here is a description what dual SIM means and why: http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_SIM -- hns Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.goldelico.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
Hello. Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller pisze: dual-SIM slot in their products. And both SIMs are active at the same time! It requires two GSM modems inside Neo. That closes this issue. Here is a description what dual SIM means and why: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_SIM I knew that and this is an excerpt from article you metioned: Normal GSM phones contain a single transceiver http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transceiver; dual-SIM phones must have dual transceivers, and according to what kkr wrote dual-SIM slot in their products. And both SIMs are active at the same time! I suspend what I wrote - if both SIMs should be active at the same time (above) it reqiures two modems (aka transceivers)... Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
Bartlomiej Zdanowski [Zdanek] pisze: I suspend what I wrote - if both SIMs should be active at the same time (above) it reqiures two modems (aka transceivers)... I meant I affirm what I wrote - sorry, spelling mistake. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:37:02 +0100, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dual SIM products you can buy after market, take two SIM cards, and provide a way for to switch between them, either by rebooting the phone, or via a SIM services menu. This isn't exactly true. In some dual-SIM phones that have recently entered the market, such as Fly B700 Duo, both SIM cards can be used simultaneously without the need for any kind of switching. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
This isn't exactly true. In some dual-SIM phones that have recently entered the market, such as Fly B700 Duo, both SIM cards can be used simultaneously without the need for any kind of switching. It was already said that two SIMs working simultaneously would require two trancievers. This is obviously is not a case of GTA02. Planning feature list for GTA(03|04) is quite a waste of time until GTA02 will be released. So, let's concentrate on GTA02, perhaps? -- I'm sorry for being keen, but I've waiting GTA02 for a quite lot of time by now, so I panic when seeing any proposal of hardware modifications that could delay (if accepted) phone release. (Me want my toy yesterday!) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
I remembered a discussion about how to use more than one SIM card in the neo. Until recently, I've only seen some kind of hack about it. For example, in the battery or in a SIM card adapter (or by cloning a sim card = illegal). http://www.dualsim.de/ http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-CLONE It seems that some manufacturers (Samsung and Verzio) have integrated a dual-SIM slot in their products. And both SIMs are active at the same time! http://www.verzioworld.com/as/pressroom.html http://www.mobilegazette.com/samsung-duos-d880-07x10x08.htm snip The Samsung DuoS gets around this by having two SIM slots in the back, and both SIMs are active at the same time. ... At the moment, the Samsung DuoS / D880 has only been confirmed for release in Russia later this month. It's a relatively expensive device at 18,000 rubles (around £350 or €510) before tax. Expect to have to pay the full price without any discount, because no carrier will want to subsidise a handset that another carrier will use and locking the device to a single network would be pointless. snip I'll have use of it (professional/private number with two differents operators) and imagine that will be wished too by people which travel a lot (in a way to reduce roaming costs). Any chance to have it on a future product (gta-03 or 04 ;-)? Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST? Re: Using UART/SPI... for swithing 2-8 SIM-cards Re: [Neo1973] Hardware access: additional solder points ; )
Why not just copy the sim card into the phone? We use Linux, so we can do whatever we like ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST?
On 12/1/06 11:28 PM, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just copy the sim card into the phone? We use Linux, so we can do whatever we like I'm not sure, but doesn't the GSM module want to talk to the SIM card directly? The SIM card initialization details are handled by the closed system. The open processor (2410) can only talk over AT commands. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST?
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 7:59, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 12/1/06 11:28 PM, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just copy the sim card into the phone? We use Linux, so we can do whatever we like I'm not sure, but doesn't the GSM module want to talk to the SIM card directly? The SIM card initialization details are handled by the closed system. The open processor (2410) can only talk over AT commands. -Sean That only means you can't do it without some modification of the motherboard and module. I was planning on building my own linux based phone from components before I found this project. Assembled from modules, it would not be hard, just the sofware side would take time... Right..? So I also thought about this multi-sim thing and I concluded that the protocal for talking to a sim is available.. Indeed, you can build something to copy the sim to your laptop if you wanted... So I thought of making a virtual sim software which would store and allow switching between multiple copies of sims... Then you wire the sim interface from the gsm module to gpio on the processor and write the necessary driver to make it look like a sim. The technical aspect isn't really that hard. Just time consuming. --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST? Re: Using UART/SPI... for swithing 2-8 SIM-cards Re: [Neo1973] Hardware access: additional solder points ; )
On 12/1/06, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just copy the sim card into the phone? We use Linux, so we can do whatever we like ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community as I understand it, the GSM module is a closed-box... we just send commands to it and let it handle the work -- --Jeff What DO you call whitewater when you live in the desert? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST? Re: Using UART/SPI... for swithing 2-8 SIM-cards Re: [Neo1973] Hardware access: additional solder points ; )
Hi all, did you check www.simore.ch ? its a great system to put 2 sim card in one slot. i got one, it works fine (*) on most of standard handset but not very well my wistron ( a linux phone ) i must reboot to change number. (*)unfortunatly, you cant use 2 numbers at the same time, because there's only one GSM recept/transmit chip ( http://www.simore.ch/en/faq.php#2 ) but you can setup the phone to switch from one number to the other in 2 clicks without switching off your Mobile cheers, Thomas Robert Michel wrote: Salve Gabriel, *! Gabriel Ambuehl schrieb am Sonntag, den 19. November 2006 um 16:56h: On Sunday 19 November 2006 16:36, Robert Michel wrote: One of the potential would be a software controlled switching of different SIM-cards. AFAIK Benefon Twin Dual SIM was the first phone that allows the user to switch between two SIM-cards with the phone GUI. Pushing this further, I'd LOVE to see a phone that can use two SIM cards at the SAME time (so I can have two numbers which would be useful for anyone who has both business and private mobile numbers or got screwed with a bad tariff and can't transfer his number right now...). I doubt this is possible but still one can dream ;) Technicaly it would be no problem but the question would be if this device will populare enough to be a mass market product. I could imagine a (open linux) smartphone with a CF-II port and a CF-II GSM/GPRS or GSM/UMTS card to buid this - e.g.: http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=140979stack=technicalaction=open First I thought that just one number and a PBX like asterisk on the mobile, would solve your problem: with different profiles and forwarding private calls during worktime to the mailbox Hello $callername I'm at work and I will hear your message until $calender.break.next - when it realy can't wait press 9 - or leave now your message after the beeep But when the phone is off - both - business and private would go to the same network mailbox. And second the phone cost will be mixed on the same bill - but for this, a Dual-SIM could help you ;) When you are screwed by a bad tariff you could just switch a network mailbox on I'm sorry, I have a new number... For my friends I prefer to give them a PSTN (voip) number cheaper for them to call me and forward it to my mobile with asterisk. With a the Neo1973 asterisk will be able to inform me via GPRS (in the background) who is calling. And asterisk could be used for call backs so for your monthly billing of your mobile would be only business calls. But I have a reason to add, why such a dual mobile would be nice: Using GPRS with a different SIM then the phone calls. BACK to the near future and let us think what would be possible to do with the Neo1973: #Will the Neo1973 support dual-SIM with SPST?# This allows to use 2 SIM and switch with the most mobiles on the market - you need only an adapter like:www.dual-sim.com/ This pdf explains the ciruit http://www.novotechdistribution.com/productinfo/sonyericsson/GSM_GPRS/GM48-47/Application Note - Dual SIM connection.pdf and the secret is a signal line Hi=SIM1, Low=SIM2 and an analog multiplexer NLAS325 (given example by sonyericsson) The NLAS325 is a dual SPST (Single Pole, Single Throw) switch http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/NLAS325-D.PDF So when the Neo1973 GSM Hardware and driver support SPST switching, we could programm the switching in dependences of time and localisation and no hardwarehacking would be neccessery, just to by such an adapter for 10€. Further hacking - with the signalisation of Hi and Low and a free access to programm it would it also possible to build a small circuit for _4_ (6 or 8) SIM cards - HIGH and LOW would be used for signaling :)) And no I/O solderpoint would be used/blocked/wasted for such a muti-card switching :)) So it would be great, when the phone GSM software and hardware would support DUAL-SIM ;) And Sean, please remember that free (just one) PIC (or/and I2C) bus(es) for sensors/interfaces would be great ;) Greetings, rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST? Re: Using UART/SPI... for swithing 2-8 SIM-cards Re: [Neo1973] Hardware access: additional solder points ; )
On 11/30/06 7:42 PM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you remind us ;)) that dual-sim is an intereting feature and Sean still haven'd answerd: #Will the Neo1973 support dual-SIM with SPST?# This is needed to use products like from simore.ch or dual-sim.com would work. I'll check tomorrow at work! -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will the Neo1973 support Dual-SIM with SPST? Re: Using UART/SPI... for swithing 2-8 SIM-cards Re: [Neo1973] Hardware access: additional solder points ; )
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 11/30/06 7:42 PM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you remind us ;)) that dual-sim is an intereting feature and Sean still haven'd answerd: #Will the Neo1973 support dual-SIM with SPST?# This is needed to use products like from simore.ch or dual-sim.com would work. I'll check tomorrow at work! :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
