Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
On 06/02/2010 15:51, Neil Jerram wrote: On 2 December 2009 13:47,r...@1407.org wrote: 3. change control 63 (it's also on line 63), so that it ends in 3 rather than in 2: * Old value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:2 * New value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:3 I just rediscovered this improvement, by playing with alsamixer; then found this existing thread by googling. So: yes, I can confirm that changing 'Mic Sidetone Mux' from 'Mic 2' to 'Right PGA' improves call audio for my callees. My wife even described it as 'quite fine' :-). Regards, Neil But if you use the speaker (intone, podboy, mplayer...), don't you have sound only in one side (right in your case) ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
Am Mittwoch, den 02.12.2009, 22:04 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini: uhm it seems that dictator uses this scenario /usr/share/scenarios/dictator/dictator_rec.state so...buh... is there a way to let dictator use standard scenarios? Recording is done via this state cause with it Dictator can record gsm-sound too. You could backup dictator_rec.state and overwrite it. If not, try arecord. A new version of dictator will be out soon, I hope this year but I cannot promise anything cause I'm developing it all alone. cheers Matthias (just to test this damn alsastate). But the question still remains: if i find a nice regulation with alsamixer, how do i revert this in the gsmhandset file? thanks again d r...@1407.org ha scritto: Experiment: better sound on remote end http://blog.1407.org/2009/12/02/experiment-better-sound-on-remote-end/ One of the problems people complain about my calls from the Freerunner is *bad*sound*. Lot's of background noise, static, etc. I'm not talking about the familiar buzz problem, as I've had the buzz fix applied to my phone. http://picasaweb.google.com/RuiMSeabra/DebConf9OpenMokoBuzzFixParty# However what I found to fix this problem on my phone model (GTA02v5 + buzz fix) goes totally against the official information. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls So much so that there's at least one person who, from his very good knowledge about this subject (Really! This is *not* sarcasm!), thinks this fix is as good as putting some peanut butter over the microphone :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystemoldid=77886 I know of at least one other person who claims to have better sound on remote end from this fix, but I think I need to drop the challenge. Can you try the current SHR Unstable, apply this fix and then report on the mailing lists your results? You can? Good! So here's the fix: 1. call someone who noticed your bad sound and check whether the sound is still bad, then finish the call 2. edit /etc/freesmartphone/alsa/default/gsmhandset 3. change control 63 (it's also on line 63), so that it ends in 3 rather than in 2: * Old value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:2 * New value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:3 4. call that person again and check the result Alternatively, in one call, you can ssh into your phone and use alsamixer to change the same control, but this change will not be persistent until you do the steps above. http://blog.1407.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/oldValue.png http://blog.1407.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/newValue.png So let's hear your results, nothing like a good empirical experiment. In the following recordings (complete set here), http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/ I said «The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog» starting with Mic2, then Right PGA, then Left PGA. 1. in perfect conditions; http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test1-perfect-conditions.wav 2. with tv making background noise (news); http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test2-with-tv.wav 3. 2. + computer playing loud music («Te Quiero Puta» from Rammstein) at the same time. http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test3-with-tv-and-music.wav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
It'd be helpful for the rest of the stack, if dictator would just use FSO's Push/Pull scenario methods instead. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
Am Donnerstag, den 03.12.2009, 12:51 +0100 schrieb Dr. Michael Lauer: It'd be helpful for the rest of the stack, if dictator would just use FSO's Push/Pull scenario methods instead. Ah ok! Did not know about them. This looks more convenient and tidy. Will be done like that. Besides: I've implemented Dictator 0.3 as Dbus-Service and -Client. Will be released soon. Don't know lot about fso-progress of the last months. Do you already have something for recording sound I should rather use than to have another dbus-service next to fso? Would it be worth to integrate it into fso? I mean every smartphone has a microphone and taking voicenotes or do audio-happy-slapping ;-) is a nice feature. One could make up local answer-machine or so. Are you guys working one somewhat like this? Matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 23:21, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:31:22PM +0100, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 15:17, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: On Wednesday 02 December 2009 15:12:36 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:56:28PM +0100, arne anka wrote: did you ever change the gsmhandset.state file after applied buzz fix? the tracker links to an improved file specifically tuned for buzz fixed devices and so far used by a lot of peoples. I'm using current SHR with the state file that's provided. I can't understand why they changed state file. Old one worked OK on most Neos. New one sounds bad on almost every one... You can try the state.file from old SHR... Here old one was unusable at all here, new one is quite good. And new one was official Openmoko's one, and now you can adjust volume with sliders in UI - so what's the problem? Speaking of the sliders, are they persistent in the value they set? Rui AFAIK yes. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
O Mércores, 2 de Decembro de 2009, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak escribiu: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 15:17, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: You can try the state.file from old SHR... Here old one was unusable at all here, new one is quite good. And new one was official Openmoko's one, and now you can adjust volume with sliders in UI - so what's the problem? If you say sliders now store last value, I suppose there's not problem. But initially you had to adjust volume on every call... not so practical. -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
Am Donnerstag, den 03.12.2009, 17:25 +0100 schrieb Matthias Felsche: Besides: I've implemented Dictator 0.3 as Dbus-Service and -Client. Will be released soon. Don't know lot about fso-progress of the last months. Do you already have something for recording sound I should rather use than to have another dbus-service next to fso? Would it be worth to integrate it into fso? Absolutely. There's no code that yet, but I think simple recording at least should eventually be provided by FSO as well. Cheers, -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Experiment: better sound on remote end
Experiment: better sound on remote end http://blog.1407.org/2009/12/02/experiment-better-sound-on-remote-end/ One of the problems people complain about my calls from the Freerunner is *bad*sound*. Lot's of background noise, static, etc. I'm not talking about the familiar buzz problem, as I've had the buzz fix applied to my phone. http://picasaweb.google.com/RuiMSeabra/DebConf9OpenMokoBuzzFixParty# However what I found to fix this problem on my phone model (GTA02v5 + buzz fix) goes totally against the official information. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls So much so that there's at least one person who, from his very good knowledge about this subject (Really! This is *not* sarcasm!), thinks this fix is as good as putting some peanut butter over the microphone :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystemoldid=77886 I know of at least one other person who claims to have better sound on remote end from this fix, but I think I need to drop the challenge. Can you try the current SHR Unstable, apply this fix and then report on the mailing lists your results? You can? Good! So here's the fix: 1. call someone who noticed your bad sound and check whether the sound is still bad, then finish the call 2. edit /etc/freesmartphone/alsa/default/gsmhandset 3. change control 63 (it's also on line 63), so that it ends in 3 rather than in 2: * Old value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:2 * New value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:3 4. call that person again and check the result Alternatively, in one call, you can ssh into your phone and use alsamixer to change the same control, but this change will not be persistent until you do the steps above. http://blog.1407.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/oldValue.png http://blog.1407.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/newValue.png So let's hear your results, nothing like a good empirical experiment. In the following recordings (complete set here), http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/ I said «The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog» starting with Mic2, then Right PGA, then Left PGA. 1. in perfect conditions; http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test1-perfect-conditions.wav 2. with tv making background noise (news); http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test2-with-tv.wav 3. 2. + computer playing loud music («Te Quiero Puta» from Rammstein) at the same time. http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test3-with-tv-and-music.wav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
did you ever change the gsmhandset.state file after applied buzz fix? the tracker links to an improved file specifically tuned for buzz fixed devices and so far used by a lot of peoples. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:56:28PM +0100, arne anka wrote: did you ever change the gsmhandset.state file after applied buzz fix? the tracker links to an improved file specifically tuned for buzz fixed devices and so far used by a lot of peoples. I'm using current SHR with the state file that's provided. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
On Wednesday 02 December 2009 15:12:36 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:56:28PM +0100, arne anka wrote: did you ever change the gsmhandset.state file after applied buzz fix? the tracker links to an improved file specifically tuned for buzz fixed devices and so far used by a lot of peoples. I'm using current SHR with the state file that's provided. I can't understand why they changed state file. Old one worked OK on most Neos. New one sounds bad on almost every one... You can try the state.file from old SHR... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
I had my fr just fixed, and i cannot place a call! ...better: i can call, but they just hear a crackling sound (not my voice). Tonight i'll try to apply your fix, i'm on the very very nice last shr-u (from 301109). Thanks d On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.comwrote: On Wednesday 02 December 2009 15:12:36 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:56:28PM +0100, arne anka wrote: did you ever change the gsmhandset.state file after applied buzz fix? the tracker links to an improved file specifically tuned for buzz fixed devices and so far used by a lot of peoples. I'm using current SHR with the state file that's provided. I can't understand why they changed state file. Old one worked OK on most Neos. New one sounds bad on almost every one... You can try the state.file from old SHR... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
On Wednesday 02 December 2009, r...@1407.org wrote: Experiment: better sound on remote end http://blog.1407.org/2009/12/02/experiment-better-sound-on-remote-end/ One of the problems people complain about my calls from the Freerunner is *bad*sound*. Lot's of background noise, static, etc. I'm not talking about the familiar buzz problem, as I've had the buzz fix applied to my phone. http://picasaweb.google.com/RuiMSeabra/DebConf9OpenMokoBuzzFixParty# However what I found to fix this problem on my phone model (GTA02v5 + buzz fix) goes totally against the official information. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_chan nel_controls So much so that there's at least one person who, from his very good knowledge about this subject (Really! This is *not* sarcasm!), thinks this fix is as good as putting some peanut butter over the microphone :) The suggested default values on the wiki (48 on max) will cause distortion for a lot of people, but the procedure described below isn't bad if you set control 12 to 5. http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsyste moldid=77886 I know of at least one other person who claims to have better sound on remote end from this fix, but I think I need to drop the challenge. Can you try the current SHR Unstable, apply this fix and then report on the mailing lists your results? I still don't believe there's one mixer setting that suits everyone. If we had a working AGC we might have a better chance though. You can? Good! So here's the fix: 1. call someone who noticed your bad sound and check whether the sound is still bad, then finish the call 2. edit /etc/freesmartphone/alsa/default/gsmhandset 3. change control 63 (it's also on line 63), so that it ends in 3 rather than in 2: * Old value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:2 * New value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:3 4. call that person again and check the result Unless you've stumbled upon some settings that make the AGC do something useful, there's nothing to be gained by routing audio through the PGA that can't be achieved just by setting the gain controls correctly on the existing route. You could try fso-simplemixer.py though I've not checked to see if it still works with the changes in the new SHR-U yet. Those that tried it said it made adjustment much easier, and improved the audio quality in calls. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/50771/focus=50802 Alternatively, in one call, you can ssh into your phone and use alsamixer to change the same control, but this change will not be persistent until you do the steps above. http://blog.1407.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/oldValue.png http://blog.1407.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/newValue.png So let's hear your results, nothing like a good empirical experiment. In the following recordings (complete set here), http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/ I said «The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog» starting with Mic2, then Right PGA, then Left PGA. 1. in perfect conditions; http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test1-perfect-conditions.w av 2. with tv making background noise (news); http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test2-with-tv.wav 3. 2. + computer playing loud music («Te Quiero Puta» from Rammstein) at the same time. http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test3-with-tv-and-music.wa v An interesting result. It suggests your max setting on control 48 is ok, and the distortion is introduced by having control 12 set to 7, boosting the signal by 6dB. Try dropping it to 5, and increasing control 5 if needed. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 15:17, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: On Wednesday 02 December 2009 15:12:36 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:56:28PM +0100, arne anka wrote: did you ever change the gsmhandset.state file after applied buzz fix? the tracker links to an improved file specifically tuned for buzz fixed devices and so far used by a lot of peoples. I'm using current SHR with the state file that's provided. I can't understand why they changed state file. Old one worked OK on most Neos. New one sounds bad on almost every one... You can try the state.file from old SHR... Here old one was unusable at all here, new one is quite good. And new one was official Openmoko's one, and now you can adjust volume with sliders in UI - so what's the problem? -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
I have crackilg sound... so I want to figure out what to do... I installed dictator (just not to spend tons of €) and then I play with alsamixer opened. Now the questions: 1) How do I set a numeric value in the gsmhandset? 2) I set New value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:3 but it seems it's not persistent, if I open alsamixer i find Mic2 and not Left PGA... wtf? 3) It seems that my audio is everytime over saturated, that much that crackles... any idea? d (it's about an year that i own this fr and i still don't use it as a phone... wtf! :P) r...@1407.org ha scritto: Experiment: better sound on remote end http://blog.1407.org/2009/12/02/experiment-better-sound-on-remote-end/ One of the problems people complain about my calls from the Freerunner is *bad*sound*. Lot's of background noise, static, etc. I'm not talking about the familiar buzz problem, as I've had the buzz fix applied to my phone. http://picasaweb.google.com/RuiMSeabra/DebConf9OpenMokoBuzzFixParty# However what I found to fix this problem on my phone model (GTA02v5 + buzz fix) goes totally against the official information. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls So much so that there's at least one person who, from his very good knowledge about this subject (Really! This is *not* sarcasm!), thinks this fix is as good as putting some peanut butter over the microphone :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystemoldid=77886 I know of at least one other person who claims to have better sound on remote end from this fix, but I think I need to drop the challenge. Can you try the current SHR Unstable, apply this fix and then report on the mailing lists your results? You can? Good! So here's the fix: 1. call someone who noticed your bad sound and check whether the sound is still bad, then finish the call 2. edit /etc/freesmartphone/alsa/default/gsmhandset 3. change control 63 (it's also on line 63), so that it ends in 3 rather than in 2: * Old value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:2 * New value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:3 4. call that person again and check the result Alternatively, in one call, you can ssh into your phone and use alsamixer to change the same control, but this change will not be persistent until you do the steps above. http://blog.1407.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/oldValue.png http://blog.1407.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/newValue.png So let's hear your results, nothing like a good empirical experiment. In the following recordings (complete set here), http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/ I said «The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog» starting with Mic2, then Right PGA, then Left PGA. 1. in perfect conditions; http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test1-perfect-conditions.wav 2. with tv making background noise (news); http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test2-with-tv.wav 3. 2. + computer playing loud music («Te Quiero Puta» from Rammstein) at the same time. http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test3-with-tv-and-music.wav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
uhm it seems that dictator uses this scenario /usr/share/scenarios/dictator/dictator_rec.state so...buh... is there a way to let dictator use standard scenarios? (just to test this damn alsastate). But the question still remains: if i find a nice regulation with alsamixer, how do i revert this in the gsmhandset file? thanks again d r...@1407.org ha scritto: Experiment: better sound on remote end http://blog.1407.org/2009/12/02/experiment-better-sound-on-remote-end/ One of the problems people complain about my calls from the Freerunner is *bad*sound*. Lot's of background noise, static, etc. I'm not talking about the familiar buzz problem, as I've had the buzz fix applied to my phone. http://picasaweb.google.com/RuiMSeabra/DebConf9OpenMokoBuzzFixParty# However what I found to fix this problem on my phone model (GTA02v5 + buzz fix) goes totally against the official information. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls So much so that there's at least one person who, from his very good knowledge about this subject (Really! This is *not* sarcasm!), thinks this fix is as good as putting some peanut butter over the microphone :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystemoldid=77886 I know of at least one other person who claims to have better sound on remote end from this fix, but I think I need to drop the challenge. Can you try the current SHR Unstable, apply this fix and then report on the mailing lists your results? You can? Good! So here's the fix: 1. call someone who noticed your bad sound and check whether the sound is still bad, then finish the call 2. edit /etc/freesmartphone/alsa/default/gsmhandset 3. change control 63 (it's also on line 63), so that it ends in 3 rather than in 2: * Old value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:2 * New value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:3 4. call that person again and check the result Alternatively, in one call, you can ssh into your phone and use alsamixer to change the same control, but this change will not be persistent until you do the steps above. http://blog.1407.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/oldValue.png http://blog.1407.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/newValue.png So let's hear your results, nothing like a good empirical experiment. In the following recordings (complete set here), http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/ I said «The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog» starting with Mic2, then Right PGA, then Left PGA. 1. in perfect conditions; http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test1-perfect-conditions.wav 2. with tv making background noise (news); http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test2-with-tv.wav 3. 2. + computer playing loud music («Te Quiero Puta» from Rammstein) at the same time. http://files.1407.org/openmoko/mic_sidemux_test/test3-with-tv-and-music.wav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:31:22PM +0100, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 15:17, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: On Wednesday 02 December 2009 15:12:36 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:56:28PM +0100, arne anka wrote: did you ever change the gsmhandset.state file after applied buzz fix? the tracker links to an improved file specifically tuned for buzz fixed devices and so far used by a lot of peoples. I'm using current SHR with the state file that's provided. I can't understand why they changed state file. Old one worked OK on most Neos. New one sounds bad on almost every one... You can try the state.file from old SHR... Here old one was unusable at all here, new one is quite good. And new one was official Openmoko's one, and now you can adjust volume with sliders in UI - so what's the problem? Speaking of the sliders, are they persistent in the value they set? Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
