Re: AT commands (Re: But wich GSM chip? Re: AT commands document (Was: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?))
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 09:48:08AM +0200, Aloril wrote: Wild guess: some of vendor-specific, proprietary TI AT commands allow user to write/read GSM module flash. I do not think so ;) -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AT commands (Re: But wich GSM chip? Re: AT commands document (Was: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?))
Salve Harald! Harald Welte schrieb am Samstag, den 03. Februar 2007 um 14:49h: I put the list into the wiki - it would be fine to mark out which are not the optional ones and how to use them. So from this list, every contribution, commentation of this commands are welcome. For everything but the few TI-proprietary ones, all this is in the GSM standard. I don't think it's worth replicating that inforation. For the standard we can takeover this informations http://wiki.openezx.org/AT_commands Not now - in some weeks a list and information about the TI-proprietary ones would be fine. If the community learns something about the TI-proprietary commands, that's certainly a different thing. E.g. the network quality - nearly non of us would run around (daily) with mobil/laptop/GPS device to monitor the networkquality, but with the Neo1973 it could be an interesting thing. network quality is sent as event from GSM Modem to our gsmd, from where any process can get it over a unix domain socket. Yes, and the community could collect some first step examples to make starting the first step using the freedom on the Neo more easy :) Greetings, rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AT commands (Re: But wich GSM chip? Re: AT commands document (Was: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?))
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 12:04 +0100, Harald Welte wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:11:53AM -0800, Dimitris Kogias wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/31/07 12:32 AM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So can you say us already a little more about the GSM chip? Sure. We're using a Ti Calypso chipset. Unfortunately this stuff is all under _super_ NDA :-( Isn't the AT-capable port going to be available to userland via a serial abstraction? If so, its AT command profile won't be a secret very long. there's nothing secret about that AT command profile. The chipset supports all of the mandatory ETSI GSM TS 07.07 commands (use http://pda.etsi.org/pda/queryform.asp to get it), plus some of the optional ones. This GSM standard even has a command that lists the list of available commands (AT+CLAC). See attachment. There are some vendor-specific, proprietary TI AT commands which will remain undocumented. But none of them are required for regular phone usage (including SMS, MMS, FAX, GPRS, Voice Call, Data Call (CSD), etc.) So I really don't understand all this fuzz. It's really very much standard compliant. Wild guess: some of vendor-specific, proprietary TI AT commands allow user to write/read GSM module flash. This is probably illegal in many countries. No surprise whole datasheet is under super NDA ;-) -- Aloril [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AT commands (Re: But wich GSM chip? Re: AT commands document (Was: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?))
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:11:53AM -0800, Dimitris Kogias wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/31/07 12:32 AM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So can you say us already a little more about the GSM chip? Sure. We're using a Ti Calypso chipset. Unfortunately this stuff is all under _super_ NDA :-( Isn't the AT-capable port going to be available to userland via a serial abstraction? If so, its AT command profile won't be a secret very long. there's nothing secret about that AT command profile. The chipset supports all of the mandatory ETSI GSM TS 07.07 commands (use http://pda.etsi.org/pda/queryform.asp to get it), plus some of the optional ones. This GSM standard even has a command that lists the list of available commands (AT+CLAC). See attachment. There are some vendor-specific, proprietary TI AT commands which will remain undocumented. But none of them are required for regular phone usage (including SMS, MMS, FAX, GPRS, Voice Call, Data Call (CSD), etc.) So I really don't understand all this fuzz. It's really very much standard compliant. As for the fax, it's just regular ITU-T.32 class 2.0 -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone AT+CACM AT+CAMM AT+CAOC AT+CBC AT+CBST AT+CCFC AT+CCUG AT+CCWA AT+CCWE AT+CEER AT+CFUN AT+CGACT AT+CGANS AT+CGATT AT+CGAUTO AT+CGCLASS AT+CGDATA AT+CGDCONT AT+CGEREP AT+CGMI AT+CGMM AT+CGMR AT+CGPADDR AT+CGQMIN AT+CGQREQ AT+CGREG AT+CGSMS AT+CGSN AT+CHLD AT+CHUP AT+CIMI AT+CLAC AT+CLAE AT+CLAN AT+CLCC AT+CLCK AT+CLIP AT+CDIP AT+CLIR AT+CLVL AT+CMEE AT+CMGC AT+CMGD AT+CMGF AT+CMGL AT+CMGR AT+CMGS AT+CMGW AT+CMOD AT+CMSS AT+CMMS AT+CMUT AT+CMUX AT+CNMA AT+CNMI AT+CNUM AT+COLP AT+COPN AT+COPS AT+CPAS AT+CPBF AT+CPBR AT+CPBS AT+CPBW AT+CPIN AT+CPMS AT+CPOL AT+CPUC AT+CPWD AT+CR AT+CRC AT+CREG AT+CRES AT+CRLP AT+CRSL AT+CRSM AT+CSAS AT+CSCA AT+CSCB AT+CSCS AT+CSDH AT+CSIM AT+CSMP AT+CSMS AT+CSNS AT+CSQ AT%CSQ AT+CSSN AT+CSTA AT+CSVM AT+CTFR AT+CUSD AT+DR AT+FAP AT+FBO AT+FBS AT+FBU AT+FCC AT+FCLASS AT+FCQ AT+FCR AT+FCS AT+FCT AT+FDR AT+FDT AT+FEA AT+FFC AT+FHS AT+FIE AT+FIP AT+FIS AT+FIT AT+FKS AT+FLI AT+FLO AT+FLP AT+FMI AT+FMM AT+FMR AT+FMS AT+FND AT+FNR AT+FNS AT+FPA AT+FPI AT+FPS AT+FPW AT+FRQ AT+FSA AT+FSP AT+GCAP AT+GCI AT+GMI AT+GMM AT+GMR AT+GSN AT+ICF AT+IFC AT+ILRR AT+IPR AT+VTS AT+WS46 AT%ALS AT%ATR AT%BAND AT%CACM AT%CAOC AT%CCBS AT%STDR AT%CGAATT AT%CGMM AT%CGREG AT%CNAP AT%CPI AT%COLR AT%CPRIM AT%CTV AT%CUNS AT%NRG AT%SATC AT%SATE AT%SATR AT%SATT AT%SNCNT AT%VER AT%CGCLASS AT%CGPCO AT%CGPPP AT%EM AT%EMET AT%EMETS AT%CBHZ AT%CPHS AT%CPNUMS AT%CPALS AT%CPVWI AT%CPOPN AT%CPCFU AT%CPINF AT%CPMB AT%CPRI AT%DATA AT%DINF AT%CLCC AT%DBGINFO AT%VTS AT%CHPL AT%CREG AT+CTZR AT+CTZU AT%CTZV AT%CNIV AT%PVRF AT%CWUP AT%DAR AT+CIND AT+CMER AT%CSCN AT%RDL AT%RDLB AT%CSTAT AT%CPRSM AT%CHLD AT%SIMIND AT%SECP AT%SECS AT%CSSN AT+CCLK AT%CSSD AT%COPS AT%CPMBW AT%CUST AT%SATCC AT%COPN AT%CGEREP AT%CUSCFG AT%CUSDR AT%CPBS AT%PBCF AT%SIMEF AT%EFRSLT AT%CMGMDU AT%CMGL AT%CMGR ATA ATB ATC ATD ATD ATE ATF ATF ATH ATI ATK ATL ATM ATO ATP ATQ ATS ATT ATV ATW ATW ATX ATZ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AT commands (Re: But wich GSM chip? Re: AT commands document (Was: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?))
Salve Harald! Thank you for the list. On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Harald Welte wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:11:53AM -0800, Dimitris Kogias wrote: Isn't the AT-capable port going to be available to userland via a serial abstraction? If so, its AT command profile won't be a secret very long. there's nothing secret about that AT command profile. The chipset supports all of the mandatory ETSI GSM TS 07.07 commands (use http://pda.etsi.org/pda/queryform.asp to get it), plus some of the optional ones. I put the list into the wiki - it would be fine to mark out which are not the optional ones and how to use them. So from this list, every contribution, commentation of this commands are welcome. So I really don't understand all this fuzz. It's really very much standard compliant. The fuzz could be based on - no documention yet what the chip supports - experiances that GSM devices/chips from siemens have own solutions - that some vendors has not good support/services Or positiv written that good documentations motivates to chooce a device/project to test and hack some ideas. Maybe it was a missunderstanding when we ask about the chip, it was not about secret things, just about normal open documentation about it. Even when the Neo1973 is not shipped, this list and e.g. the information about fax could motivate some people here on the list to start playing with there eqipment and tools to be a little bit prepared ... E.g. the network quality - nearly non of us would run around (daily) with mobil/laptop/GPS device to monitor the networkquality, but with the Neo1973 it could be an interesting thing. So thank you for this list, it helps to think about the power of the Neo1973 and motivats to play with AT commands... :) Greetings, rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AT commands document (Was: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?)
On 1/30/07 2:20 PM, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is: would the GSM chip has a modem for data connections and also fax support? Good question. And if it is, is it a standard class 1 faxmodem like common with GSM mobiles nowaday? Related question: is it possible to have (a pointer to) the document with the AT commands that the closed telephone module responds to? Most probably, the description of the AT+FCLASS command should contain info about fax functionality. Almost all GSM related documents can be downloaded from here: http://www.etsi.org/services_products/freestandard/home.htm Maybe, a repository with datasheets (I think about interfacing the telephone module and the GPS subsystem, but there may be more) could be already made available. Sorry but we not allowed to archive these things. They're pretty easy to download though. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: But wich GSM chip? Re: AT commands document (Was: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?)
On 1/31/07 12:32 AM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So can you say us already a little more about the GSM chip? Sure. We're using a Ti Calypso chipset. Unfortunately this stuff is all under _super_ NDA :-( AKA: If I post a datasheet I would get the CEO of FIC fired within 24 hours ;-) -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 12:02:42AM +0100, Andreas Kostyrka wrote: * Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070129 22:58]: My question is: would the GSM chip has a modem for data connections and also fax support? Good question. And if it is, is it a standard class 1 faxmodem like common with GSM mobiles nowaday? yes, the GSM Modem we use has standard AT command Fax modem functionality. -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: But wich GSM chip? Re: AT commands document (Was: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?)
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/31/07 12:32 AM, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So can you say us already a little more about the GSM chip? Sure. We're using a Ti Calypso chipset. Unfortunately this stuff is all under _super_ NDA :-( Isn't the AT-capable port going to be available to userland via a serial abstraction? If so, its AT command profile won't be a secret very long. D. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?
Harald Welte wrote: yes, the GSM Modem we use has standard AT command Fax modem functionality. I'm not 100% sure about everything I'm about to say, but I vaguely remember some things from a similar discussion a while back. In order for you to send/receive fax via a GSM connection requires you to notify your carrier and them enable some features (CSD fax/data service plan). Here are some links that have some information, but I'm not sure how current it is... http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/598950-1.html http://www.conklinsystems.com/palm/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212sid=4513920d88d45b8bc13c2d1b1bc4f661 http://www.ksesoftware.com/showthread.php?id=21 Hope this helps... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?
* Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070130 18:46]: Harald Welte wrote: yes, the GSM Modem we use has standard AT command Fax modem functionality. I'm not 100% sure about everything I'm about to say, but I vaguely remember some things from a similar discussion a while back. In order for you to send/receive fax via a GSM connection requires you to notify your carrier and them enable some features (CSD fax/data service plan). Naturally ;) It's a kind of CSD data connection, but it also needs support by the GSM module, that's the question. (btw, a mobile with some connection to my linux laptop, plus efax are quite ok to print single pages, like invoices on the run :) ) Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Andreas Kostyrka wrote: * Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070130 18:46]: Harald Welte wrote: yes, the GSM Modem we use has standard AT command Fax modem functionality. I'm not 100% sure about everything I'm about to say, but I vaguely remember some things from a similar discussion a while back. In order for you to send/receive fax via a GSM connection requires you to notify your carrier and them enable some features (CSD fax/data service plan). Naturally ;) It's a kind of CSD data connection, but it also needs support by the GSM module, that's the question. (btw, a mobile with some connection to my linux laptop, plus efax are quite ok to print single pages, like invoices on the run :) ) Not at all a Neo feature, but if we did have the ability to send a fax then a USB scanner (powered of course) would be a very handy way to scan documents and send them via fax, on the rare occassion that you have to do that. I'm sure there are portable battery powered USB scanners. Come to think of it, regardless of fax, it would be handy to be able to scan images into the Neo, such as business cards at conferences, or the brilliant invention you sketched on a bar napkin. I suppose we just need to get the device driver for the scanner and some image capture software cross-compiled. I suppose Gimp would be a little too heavy for the Neo :-) Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AT commands document (Was: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?)
Subject: Re: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway? Date: mar 30 gen 07 12:02:42 +0100 Quoting Andreas Kostyrka ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): My question is: would the GSM chip has a modem for data connections and also fax support? Good question. And if it is, is it a standard class 1 faxmodem like common with GSM mobiles nowaday? Related question: is it possible to have (a pointer to) the document with the AT commands that the closed telephone module responds to? Most probably, the description of the AT+FCLASS command should contain info about fax functionality. Maybe, a repository with datasheets (I think about interfacing the telephone module and the GPS subsystem, but there may be more) could be already made available. Carlo -- * Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da parte, * K * Carlo E. Prelz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] che bisogno ci sarebbe * di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine? (Chuang-Tzu) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
