Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)
Hi Gergely, That's wonderful news. This would make a great story for Linux Journal or Linux Magazine (not to great mention publicity for OpenMoko). I will be trying to make contact with those teaching courses like this in the universities around me (Stanford, UC Berkeley, etc.). If I am able to do so, I may contact you offlist for more information. I trust that's OK? Regards, Michael On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Gergely Kis wrote: Hello, Actually we are planning on doing this at the Technical University of Hungary. I have an Embedded Linux course, where in the past years we used Siemens Blue2Net devices + HP Ipaq 5500s with Familiar as the target, but the former device is very low power (50 Mhz PPC, limited peripherials), and the later is not really designed for Linux, altough it can be used for education. We just acquired Glomation GESBC-9315 developer boards, which has similar parameters as the Neo + a CAN / RS485 bus controller which makes it useful to demonstrate industrial applications. We also plan to acquire Neo/OpenMoko devices to replace/complement the Ipaqs. Best Regards, Gergely On 2/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Something else your post made me think of: Many engineering programs have labs that involve a particular hardware platform. OpenMoko would make an ideal platform for labs on all the different technologies involved: embedded systems programming, small screen UI, hardware control, modem interfacing and control, GPRS applications, etc. With access to the openmoko website and sourcecode, instructors have a huge range of material to work with. Students will have access to the hardware via JTAG, and more via the lunchbox. All this at an extremely inexpensive price. I'll bet most lab platforms are much more expensive as they are low volume development platforms. Heck, some of you here could be teaching these classes. Perhaps just write up a proposal and send it to your local college extension program? Thoughts? Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)
Hello, Actually we are planning on doing this at the Technical University of Hungary. I have an Embedded Linux course, where in the past years we used Siemens Blue2Net devices + HP Ipaq 5500s with Familiar as the target, but the former device is very low power (50 Mhz PPC, limited peripherials), and the later is not really designed for Linux, altough it can be used for education. We just acquired Glomation GESBC-9315 developer boards, which has similar parameters as the Neo + a CAN / RS485 bus controller which makes it useful to demonstrate industrial applications. We also plan to acquire Neo/OpenMoko devices to replace/complement the Ipaqs. Best Regards, Gergely On 2/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Something else your post made me think of: Many engineering programs have labs that involve a particular hardware platform. OpenMoko would make an ideal platform for labs on all the different technologies involved: embedded systems programming, small screen UI, hardware control, modem interfacing and control, GPRS applications, etc. With access to the openmoko website and sourcecode, instructors have a huge range of material to work with. Students will have access to the hardware via JTAG, and more via the lunchbox. All this at an extremely inexpensive price. I'll bet most lab platforms are much more expensive as they are low volume development platforms. Heck, some of you here could be teaching these classes. Perhaps just write up a proposal and send it to your local college extension program? Thoughts? Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 14:14 +0530, Aanjhan R wrote: > On 2/25/07, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How do we get to the pictures to see them? Are they posted > anywhere? > > Is it possible to get the presentation as well. Is it posted in the > FOSDEM site? I tried hard finding them. I could nt except for a pic of > Sean and a brief abstract of the talk :-) I'll post this within 48 hours. Sorry for the delays! -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)
Don't expect too much from the pics. The one showing the "hacker's lunchbox" was a picture of a closed plastic case with reinforcements along the sides and a handle. Nothing of the inside :-( Regards, Marc. On 2/25/07, Aanjhan R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, On 2/25/07, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do we get to the pictures to see them? Are they posted anywhere? Is it possible to get the presentation as well. Is it posted in the FOSDEM site? I tried hard finding them. I could nt except for a pic of Sean and a brief abstract of the talk :-) Reggies. -- Aanjhan -- a.k.a Tuxmaniac Locations: #ubuntu-in, #linux-india, #gnu-india @irc.freenode.net CyberHome: http://www.tuxmaniac.com -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)
Hi, On 2/25/07, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do we get to the pictures to see them? Are they posted anywhere? Is it possible to get the presentation as well. Is it posted in the FOSDEM site? I tried hard finding them. I could nt except for a pic of Sean and a brief abstract of the talk :-) Reggies. -- Aanjhan -- a.k.a Tuxmaniac Locations: #ubuntu-in, #linux-india, #gnu-india @irc.freenode.net CyberHome: http://www.tuxmaniac.com -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:45, Richard Bennett wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2007 01:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Students will have access to the hardware via JTAG, and more via the lunchbox. Yesterday photos were shown of the lunchbox. Sean said they were thinking of changing the name to something like 'OpenMoko Bombsquad' as 'lunchbox' carries too many negative connotations of school bullies and stolen lunch money ;o) It also *looks* like something out of Ghostbusters (as does the car-kit BTW, definitely high geek-appeal), I'm sure any science class could double its attendance just because people wanted to get their hands on the Bombsquad carrying case... How do we get to the pictures to see them? Are they posted anywhere? --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)
On Sunday 25 February 2007 01:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Students will have access to the hardware via JTAG, and more via the > lunchbox. Yesterday photos were shown of the lunchbox. Sean said they were thinking of changing the name to something like 'OpenMoko Bombsquad' as 'lunchbox' carries too many negative connotations of school bullies and stolen lunch money ;o) It also *looks* like something out of Ghostbusters (as does the car-kit BTW, definitely high geek-appeal), I'm sure any science class could double its attendance just because people wanted to get their hands on the Bombsquad carrying case... Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)
Hi Michael, On 2/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Something else your post made me think of: Many engineering programs have labs that involve a particular hardware platform. OpenMoko would make an ideal platform for labs on all the different technologies involved: embedded systems programming, small screen UI, hardware control, modem interfacing and control, GPRS applications, etc. Yes. For sure. This would make things easier for the students to understand/experience practically. "Learning by practice" is the best way IMO. Heck, some of you here could be teaching these classes. Perhaps just write up a proposal and send it to your local college extension program? Thoughts? I have already submitted a proposal and will be speaking at a local Engineering School Annual FLOSS Event (http://www.foss.nitc.ac.in) next weekend. OpenMoko is definitely on the list and am collecting information that will be apt to speak. Except that I have not got the hardware or will not be able to until march to show some live demos :-) But still since this event will be attended by quite some Engineering school students I feel this would be a nice place to promote it. Suggestions on the content of OpenMoko Presentation are most welcome. Reggies. -- Aanjhan -- a.k.a Tuxmaniac Locations: #ubuntu-in, #linux-india, #gnu-india @irc.freenode.net CyberHome: http://www.tuxmaniac.com -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Something else your post made me think of: Many engineering programs > have labs that involve a particular hardware platform. ... > All this at an extremely inexpensive price. I'll bet most lab platforms are > much more expensive as they are low volume development platforms. An real-life example of this idea can be found at: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~cs9242/06/project/slug.shtml (No UI or GSM/GPRS on this system, of course) -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)
Something else your post made me think of: Many engineering programs have labs that involve a particular hardware platform. OpenMoko would make an ideal platform for labs on all the different technologies involved: embedded systems programming, small screen UI, hardware control, modem interfacing and control, GPRS applications, etc. With access to the openmoko website and sourcecode, instructors have a huge range of material to work with. Students will have access to the hardware via JTAG, and more via the lunchbox. All this at an extremely inexpensive price. I'll bet most lab platforms are much more expensive as they are low volume development platforms. Heck, some of you here could be teaching these classes. Perhaps just write up a proposal and send it to your local college extension program? Thoughts? Michael On Sat, 17 Feb 2007, Steven ** wrote: While I do think engineering schools would be a good target, some of your restrictions are unnecessary and some of your assumptions on the usage are out-of-sync. I graduated from an engineering only college a little less than 2 years ago. We didn't have to buy programmable calculators. We had to buy laptops. These laptops had to run Maple and Matlab for the math courses. These laptops had built-in Wifi. We used the laptops during tests. The professors weren't running any monitoring systems to ensure we weren't connected to the Internet. Maybe my school just expected more of the students, but everything was based on the honor system. I don't think math professors would be a good target. I just don't think the Neo has enough processing power to meet the needs of math applications. The embedded professors and Civils would probably be interested though. -Steven On 2/17/07, kkr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Numerous applications expressed previously (on this mailling list) are possible only if a big density of device exists. When I've made my engineering school, we had to all buy a programmable calculator (HP48, Sharp or Casio). In general, professor recommends the one that they have. If the neo could replace this one, it makes us, close to 1000 neo (1000 students) in the same building. With such a density of devices, about which all the owners know how to program, this gives us an environment privileged to see appearing of numerous original applications. So, I guess that Engineering schools would be a good place to promote the neo. So that this one can replace the calculator, we need: 1. A scientific calculator application is required 2. A programming language (Basic or C) that can be use in standalone case (with no PC). 3. It must be able to be used during the examinations: For it, the functions of communications (GSM, bluetooth) must be able to be blocked or watched: a. GSM: It must be able to boot without SIM card b. Bluetooth must be watched by the teacher during the exam (e.g.: The teacher's neo ping continously the bluetooth bdaddr of all neo's students, and if it receive one respond, the student is eliminated) If it is possible (see 1, 2 and 3), we only have to convince some key professor (e.g. by subsidizing a few of them - less than 5 or 10), and the students will all have to buy one. e.g. key teachers: - mathematics (arguments: C language and scientific calculator) - data transmission and telecom (argument: GSM, GPRS, bluetooth) - real-time embedded systems - civil engineering and environmental engineering (arguments GPS and GPRS) - microprocessor - electronics -- Forwarded message -- From: kkr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:26:18 +0100 Subject: Re: "Automatic Updates Notification" for the Neo? Le samedi 17 f?vrier 2007 ? 00:53 +0100, Marcel de Jong a ?crit : > As Cliff already mentioned, it uses a tool called ipkg which is very I sent my second email before receiving the Cliff answer (Which in summer posted before my answer ;-) > much alike Debian's (and Ubuntu's) apt-get system. And I'm sure you > can set it to check the 'repositories' or 'feeds' (databases where the > applications are distributed from) for the latest updates every time > you connect it to the web via usb/bluetooth. (most likely done via a > GUI but also with support for CLI; at least GPE and OPIE use the same > system, and have both GUI and CLI) > > I have little experience with Fedora, so I don't know the similes with > their system, but I'm sure it's very similar. > > --- > Marcel de Jong -- Forwarded message -- From: "Perry E. Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: kkr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:37:03 -0500 Subject: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools kkr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So that this one can replace the calculator, we need: > > 1. A scientific calculator application is required I sus
