Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Is it possible to turn off these LEDs via Software? Yes, they're all controlled from the CPU and default to being off. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgWv9gACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoiAgCfV9VGnh3bJsRrINgKv3ZpiWHS EccAni4y2rw7cCWiA+BawFggpCk1x2wz =/Aqv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
Does this mean that they won't draw any power when they're turned off? 2008/4/29 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Is it possible to turn off these LEDs via Software? Yes, they're all controlled from the CPU and default to being off. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgWv9gACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoiAgCfV9VGnh3bJsRrINgKv3ZpiWHS EccAni4y2rw7cCWiA+BawFggpCk1x2wz =/Aqv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | Is it possible to turn off these LEDs via Software? | Yes, they're all controlled from the CPU and default to being off. | Does this mean that they won't draw any power when they're turned off? They won't draw any power when off... that part works as intended. It's only when you turn them on, the transistor causes the CPU pin itself to eat current itself due to an oversight. The effect in consumption terms is something as if you lit several LEDs instead of the one, say. But the LEDs come on and off as normal, are lit properly, etc. In normal use the LEDs aren't on much if at all, so it isn't anything that would stop me getting an A5 personally. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgXGtEACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqdMACgimwT/C7TFsv+edbZQIzFN0zE 5tYAnjamWgbP2T42BLJFrOMMU8q/0V52 =e/Vh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
How complicated would surgery to fix this be? Is it reasonable to create a wiki page detailing hw fix? Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Green Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:56 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | Is it possible to turn off these LEDs via Software? | Yes, they're all controlled from the CPU and default to being off. | Does this mean that they won't draw any power when they're turned off? They won't draw any power when off... that part works as intended. It's only when you turn them on, the transistor causes the CPU pin itself to eat current itself due to an oversight. The effect in consumption terms is something as if you lit several LEDs instead of the one, say. But the LEDs come on and off as normal, are lit properly, etc. In normal use the LEDs aren't on much if at all, so it isn't anything that would stop me getting an A5 personally. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgXGtEACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqdMACgimwT/C7TFsv+edbZQIzFN0zE 5tYAnjamWgbP2T42BLJFrOMMU8q/0V52 =e/Vh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | How complicated would surgery to fix this be? Is it reasonable to | create a wiki page detailing hw fix? Well, both transistors are accessible without popping a can, but a) they are tiny and fiddly, and b) the dual transistor might not be easily available with integral base resistors. Also the dual transistor is in a place where it is right up near a can and is fiddly to get to. So I wouldn't say it was realistic for normal end users to consider. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgXLREACgkQOjLpvpq7dMph1wCfY8ZautNtXIDtOIO9jEoIeh+P g/EAoIQmYW7Yg+9SCbFgryiJGUp84ZPS =TVQU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
Steve kindly emailed me on this issue and said: The A5 boards have been reworked to remove the [LED] issue. So WRT LEDs a5 and a6 have the same power consumption. Therefore you wouldn't need to dig out your soldering iron. Does anyone know the other differences with power consumption are between boards? Tim up OM software will eschew the frivoulous lighting of LEDs. On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How complicated would surgery to fix this be? Is it reasonable to create a wiki page detailing hw fix? Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Green Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:56 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | Is it possible to turn off these LEDs via Software? | Yes, they're all controlled from the CPU and default to being off. | Does this mean that they won't draw any power when they're turned off? They won't draw any power when off... that part works as intended. It's only when you turn them on, the transistor causes the CPU pin itself to eat current itself due to an oversight. The effect in consumption terms is something as if you lit several LEDs instead of the one, say. But the LEDs come on and off as normal, are lit properly, etc. In normal use the LEDs aren't on much if at all, so it isn't anything that would stop me getting an A5 personally. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgXGtEACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqdMACgimwT/C7TFsv+edbZQIzFN0zE 5tYAnjamWgbP2T42BLJFrOMMU8q/0V52 =e/Vh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Steve kindly emailed me on this issue and said: | | The A5 boards have been reworked to remove the [LED] issue. So WRT | LEDs a5 and a6 have the same power consumption. Oh well, problem gone then :-) - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgXNa4ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrFNQCeMAFfMhPqofWvenavZKAk03Oy 1OwAn2wQ12e/9xc2LvUNxqpaPAOOrNec =4jUi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
Yay! That ends the turmoil going on in my mind between my impatience and my crippling desire to have the best of everything! On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 15:41 +0100, Tim Coggins wrote: Steve kindly emailed me on this issue and said: The A5 boards have been reworked to remove the [LED] issue. So WRT LEDs a5 and a6 have the same power consumption. Therefore you wouldn't need to dig out your soldering iron. Does anyone know the other differences with power consumption are between boards? Tim up OM software will eschew the frivoulous lighting of LEDs. On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How complicated would surgery to fix this be? Is it reasonable to create a wiki page detailing hw fix? Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Green Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:56 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | Is it possible to turn off these LEDs via Software? | Yes, they're all controlled from the CPU and default to being off. | Does this mean that they won't draw any power when they're turned off? They won't draw any power when off... that part works as intended. It's only when you turn them on, the transistor causes the CPU pin itself to eat current itself due to an oversight. The effect in consumption terms is something as if you lit several LEDs instead of the one, say. But the LEDs come on and off as normal, are lit properly, etc. In normal use the LEDs aren't on much if at all, so it isn't anything that would stop me getting an A5 personally. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgXGtEACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqdMACgimwT/C7TFsv+edbZQIzFN0zE 5tYAnjamWgbP2T42BLJFrOMMU8q/0V52 =e/Vh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Tim Coggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve kindly emailed me on this issue and said: The A5 boards have been reworked to remove the [LED] issue. So WRT LEDs a5 and a6 have the same power consumption. The transistors were replaced with the internal-resistor variety? Well it's very good that it is fixed. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
Is it possible to turn off these LEDs via Software? Sebastian Gerald A wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why shipping semi-bugged hardware if there's a fixed version ready? Any software or hardware has annoyances or bugs, or missing features. The question is are they show stoppers, or just mere annoyances? If turning off the blinkenlights can solve this issue, is it worthwhile to hold production another 2 months to get LEDs that consume a bit less power? It's a tough call, and we have to appreciate this process being open -- otherwise we wouldn't even know there is an issue. However, power sipping LEDs aren't a showstopper in most people's books. Personally, I'm much more anxious to play with the WLAN stuff, and would be cool with no LEDs at all. My 2cents. Gerald. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
Andrea Debortoli wrote: I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be available some days after... I will too, but only because I can't wait longer :( I'm not so happy about this decision, btw... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
2008/4/19, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andrea Debortoli wrote: I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be available some days after... I will too, but only because I can't wait longer :( I'm not so happy about this decision, btw... It's a few days matter anyhow... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
Hello Michael Shiloh, can you please clear this? * Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [18-04-08 17:45]: I'm re-posting here some mails from the openmoko-devel Future Button and LED software spec thread [1] in which there are some infos about Freerunner hardware that I think they should be more visible. Summarizing, they say that the GTA02v6 hardware version fixes an hardware bug that causes the LEDs to use about 150mW instead of 25mW. Btw Werner Almesberger stated there that the first batch of GTA02 to be sold will be composed by GTA02v5 phones while GTA02v6 hardware will be sold only in a second phase. The hardware differencies between the two versions [2] (I've updated with this LEDs issue) don't seem so worthless since there are some power fixes (not only this one). Read below: Andy Powell wrote: Shawn Rutledge wrote: Werner Almesberger wrote: Right now, we could only leave them (the LEDs) permanently on, which comes with a hefty electricity bill, particularly on GTA02v5 (each LED burns about 150mW). In GTA02v6, this should come down to about 25mW, maybe less. But GTA02v5 is not going to ship, is it? Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Werner Almesberger wrote: Last thing I've heard, the first units will be GTA02v5 :-( thomasg wrote: @Werner: do you know - or can you figure out - how many GTA02v5 will leave the factory and reach the customers? I've heard something like thousands. However, I've also heard that there'll be some sort of fix for the LED problem in these GTA02v5. Why this? Why not selling v6 directly? And... Which are other diffs between v5 and v6? I think that the power usage of every element of the phone is vital. And which kind of fix for v5 is planned? I certainly think that this should be made very very clear to people buying the first batches and not just left as a passing comment on the dev list. So why shipping semi-bugged hardware if there's a fixed version ready? [1] http://tinyurl.com/6p2mct [2] http://tinyurl.com/6knk5m -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Tim Niemeyer signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
On Saturday 19 April 2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Andrea Debortoli wrote: I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be available some days after... I will too, but only because I can't wait longer :( I'm not so happy about this decision, btw... I say ship it! if FIC was a closed source product, no-one would've known. Thank goodness the guys are communicating with us. If the fix is a simple transistor replacement, the mentioned alternative of adding the transistor to the v5 package for after marktet replacement is a groovy idea. Many of the guys keen on this phone will not hesitate one second to solder a new component. The ones that don't trust they can solder SMD know who they are by now. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
Andy Green ha scritto: Somebody in the thread at some point said: I'm re-posting here some mails from the openmoko-devel Future Button and LED software spec thread [1] in which there are some infos about Freerunner hardware that I think they should be more visible. Summarizing, they say that the GTA02v6 hardware version fixes an hardware bug that causes the LEDs to use about 150mW instead of 25mW. Yeah, but how often are the LEDs lit in normal operation: ~0. Well, if you use LEDs for notifying events or for showing if GSM is working or not (blinking in a color if GSM network is reacheable, changing color if it doesn't work), they could have a certain role. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I'm re-posting here some mails from the openmoko-devel Future Button | and LED software spec thread [1] in which there are some infos about | Freerunner hardware that I think they should be more visible. | | Summarizing, they say that the GTA02v6 hardware version fixes an | hardware bug that causes the LEDs to use about 150mW instead of 25mW. Yeah, but how often are the LEDs lit in normal operation: ~0. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgIyOgACgkQOjLpvpq7dMq+JgCfXH1ZatZDMpIhp+9bcbtuI/Ew cigAn3v6vpMYJfawCxi73UDJiwQ0OquA =THj2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
On 4/18/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I'm re-posting here some mails from the openmoko-devel Future Button | and LED software spec thread [1] in which there are some infos about | Freerunner hardware that I think they should be more visible. | | Summarizing, they say that the GTA02v6 hardware version fixes an | hardware bug that causes the LEDs to use about 150mW instead of 25mW. Yeah, but how often are the LEDs lit in normal operation: ~0. As written in the dev list, the problem is with the transistors: *Shawn Rutledge wrote: But GTA02v5 is not going to ship is it?* *Last thing I've heard, the first units will be GTA02v5 * *Fortunately, these power-draining LEDs (well, it's the transistors really) are the only major issue we fixed between v5 and v6. There are a few smaller improvements, mainly shaving off a mW of suspend power consumption here and there.* *- Werner* It was not easy to find any details, but it was mentioned something about a fix: *From: Werner Almesberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Button and LED software spec Newsgroups: gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.thirdparty Date: 2008-04-17 15:50:07 GMT (1 day, 2 hours and 8 minutes ago)* *thomasg wrote: @Werner: do you know - or can you figure out - how many GTA02v5 will leave the factory and reach the customers?* *I've heard something like thousands. However, I've also heard that there'll be some sort of fix for the LED problem in these GTA02v5. Perhaps the dual transistor for the dual LED has been replaced with a pack with built-in register. I'll probably hear more about this in the next days.* * And how will it be possible to find out what revision it is without powering it on?* *I don't know if there will be any easily visible labels or such. I know it's printed quite clearly on the PCB * *- Werner* It sounds to me as the problem is easy for those of us that knows a little electronics. If I get one that leaks current, I will start soldering! Does anybody know if the fix Werner is talking about, will be done for all GTA02v5 PCB's? If it really will be a fix for it, it will not be any problem at all. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be available some days after... I think this is a counterproductive way to go on marketingbecause I apprehend that nobody will tell us when GTA02v5 will be sold out and GTA02v6 will be on sale... just my 2 cents 2008/4/18, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 4/18/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I'm re-posting here some mails from the openmoko-devel Future Button | and LED software spec thread [1] in which there are some infos about | Freerunner hardware that I think they should be more visible. | | Summarizing, they say that the GTA02v6 hardware version fixes an | hardware bug that causes the LEDs to use about 150mW instead of 25mW. Yeah, but how often are the LEDs lit in normal operation: ~0. As written in the dev list, the problem is with the transistors: *Shawn Rutledge wrote: But GTA02v5 is not going to ship is it?* *Last thing I've heard, the first units will be GTA02v5 * *Fortunately, these power-draining LEDs (well, it's the transistors really) are the only major issue we fixed between v5 and v6. There are a few smaller improvements, mainly shaving off a mW of suspend power consumption here and there.* *- Werner* It was not easy to find any details, but it was mentioned something about a fix: *From: Werner Almesberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Button and LED software spec Newsgroups: gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.thirdparty Date: 2008-04-17 15:50:07 GMT (1 day, 2 hours and 8 minutes ago)* *thomasg wrote: @Werner: do you know - or can you figure out - how many GTA02v5 will leave the factory and reach the customers?* *I've heard something like thousands. However, I've also heard that there'll be some sort of fix for the LED problem in these GTA02v5. Perhaps the dual transistor for the dual LED has been replaced with a pack with built-in register. I'll probably hear more about this in the next days.* * And how will it be possible to find out what revision it is without powering it on?* *I don't know if there will be any easily visible labels or such. I know it's printed quite clearly on the PCB * *- Werner* It sounds to me as the problem is easy for those of us that knows a little electronics. If I get one that leaks current, I will start soldering! Does anybody know if the fix Werner is talking about, will be done for all GTA02v5 PCB's? If it really will be a fix for it, it will not be any problem at all. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Andrea Debortoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be available some days after... I will. I also will learn a bit of electronics to fix it. (Since for me it's fun to learn new things... Ant i also really want get Neo. Waiting another month or two is not fun.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds to me as the problem is easy for those of us that knows a little electronics. If I get one that leaks current, I will start soldering! Does anybody know if the fix Werner is talking about, will be done for all GTA02v5 PCB's? If it really will be a fix for it, it will not be any problem at all. Yes maybe it can be fixed. But is the fix documented yet? Another way to look at it: if the fix can be done without a PCB change, then why not get the factory to do the rework (swapping transistors or whatever) before they are shipped? How much would it cost to get that done in China? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
On 4/18/08, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Andrea Debortoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be available some days after... I will, because I do not want to wait any longer, and I really want the goodies:) There will always be something better. They will continue to fix HW bugs. Maybe they make one with UMTS too. But I understand that many people would prefer to wait for GTA02v6. Just don't assume nobody will by GTA02v5. I will. I also will learn a bit of electronics to fix it. (Since for me it's fun to learn new things... Ant i also really want get Neo. Waiting another month or two is not fun.) Just one comment here. I am not sure you will have enough space to do this without surface mounting. If you never played with transistors before, please ask an electronic engineer to sit next to you while you do it if you don't have the basic knowledge. Understand that this can be an easy way to brick your Freerunner and you will not get it on warranty. I will modify mine, if I need to, and then I promise to document how I did it. But you will need to remind me per e-mail:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
On 4/18/08, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds to me as the problem is easy for those of us that knows a little electronics. If I get one that leaks current, I will start soldering! Does anybody know if the fix Werner is talking about, will be done for all GTA02v5 PCB's? If it really will be a fix for it, it will not be any problem at all. Yes maybe it can be fixed. But is the fix documented yet? Another way to look at it: if the fix can be done without a PCB change, then why not get the factory to do the rework (swapping transistors or whatever) before they are shipped? How much would it cost to get that done in China? Because it will be very time consuming (read expensive and delay). -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why shipping semi-bugged hardware if there's a fixed version ready? Any software or hardware has annoyances or bugs, or missing features. The question is are they show stoppers, or just mere annoyances? If turning off the blinkenlights can solve this issue, is it worthwhile to hold production another 2 months to get LEDs that consume a bit less power? It's a tough call, and we have to appreciate this process being open -- otherwise we wouldn't even know there is an issue. However, power sipping LEDs aren't a showstopper in most people's books. Personally, I'm much more anxious to play with the WLAN stuff, and would be cool with no LEDs at all. My 2cents. Gerald. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
