Re: [OffTopic]Geek'sPhone: New android actor?
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 21:34 +0100, David Lanzendörfer wrote: Would be nice, if it could become a new development platform for OM/SHR too. Are there some development boards to get? With JTAG interface and so on? And a documentation for writing free drivers for the linux kernel? Using android kernel is not an option, because they put the mostpart of theire drivers into the apache licensed userspace. In binary format. So the basic idea of opensource handies is died in android, because the linux kernel cant support the hardware on its own, theres alway a binary compatible android userspace needed to have the devices working properly. I hope, if they call theire phone geeky then they are also open to sell developmentboards and documentation. If they dont. Then the word geeky is a lie and we could even call a htc-raph or other windows-ce generation handies geeky. Then we can call every ** smartphone geeky. Because they are all hackable in someway... So please ask them to inform about development boards on theire page. They dont have to make UMTS/GSM open, its clear that they cant, but the rest of the pcb and schematics they could give us in a documentation, so that some smart linux kernel hackers could write some drivers in the propriate section (Board, CPU, Devices) Something which the Android developers didnt manage to do either. Theire drivers are sooo ugly. This time, the development should start from our site. Linux shouldnt have only BIOS function, but should have the user and kernel space consequently separated. Lets do it on our own, an we are sure, that it will be respected. We can certainly do it better then proprietary enterprises and google. regards leviathan If you are looking for such phone maybe the htcdream(I know you're doing some work on the htcdream)is not a good option(but it's great if you want to learn about the internals...because there is some work to do) Some candidates are: *Omap Zoom II ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OmapZoom ) *Exeda mobile ( http://www.exedamobile.com/web/ ) *The flow ( http://www.gizmoforyou.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.32 ) *future openmoko phones(like gta02-core and/or the one from the University of São Paulo in Brasil ) Maybe there are others that I have forgotten. The palm pre is a different case as the modem doesn't fully work yet ( http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre_Challenge ) Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OffTopic]Geek'sPhone: New android actor?
2009/11/9 David Lanzendörfer david.lanzendoer...@o2s.ch: Would be nice, if it could become a new development platform for OM/SHR too. Yes Are there some development boards to get? No With JTAG interface and so on? No And a documentation for writing free drivers for the linux kernel? No (AFAIK) Using android kernel is not an option, because they put the mostpart of theire drivers into the apache licensed userspace. In binary format. I know. So the basic idea of opensource handies is died in android, because the linux kernel cant support the hardware on its own, theres alway a binary compatible android userspace needed to have the devices working properly. I hope, if they call theire phone geeky then they are also open to sell developmentboards and documentation. If they dont. Then the word geeky is a lie and we could even call a htc-raph or other windows-ce generation handies geeky. Then we can call every ** smartphone geeky. Because they are all hackable in someway... Totally agree, we are trying to bring this openness you describe to that device but there is a lot of political work to be done ... So please ask them to inform about development boards on theire page. They dont have to make UMTS/GSM open, its clear that they cant, but the rest of the pcb and schematics they could give us in a documentation, so that some smart linux kernel hackers could write some drivers in the propriate section (Board, CPU, Devices) That's precisely our goal but don't hold your breath it might happens or not, I will transmit to them the willing on participate of the Openmoko community to improve the FOSS level status on the device ;) Something which the Android developers didnt manage to do either. Theire drivers are sooo ugly. This time, the development should start from our site. Linux shouldnt have only BIOS function, but should have the user and kernel space consequently separated. Lets do it on our own, an we are sure, that it will be respected. We can certainly do it better then proprietary enterprises and google. :) I agree too regards leviathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OffTopic]Geek'sPhone: New android actor?
2009/11/9 Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com I stumbled up http://www.geeksphone.com/en/ today, featuring a new Android based device from Spain. The device is called ONE, anagram of NEO. Although the feature set seems nice, they don't seems to care much about openness, and don't deserve the Geek's title(or do they?). Do they need to open the hardware for that title? If you can hack it (install SHR or something) then it's geek enough for me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OffTopic]Geek'sPhone: New android actor?
We are in contact with this Geek'sphone guys since it first prototipe(it had also included DVB-T receiver) and we even have indeep tested and evaluated this first prototype , due our conclusions they had changed totally from manufacturer and platform, I have no new prototype of that version yet, surelly I will, but the main problem is not from part of Geek'sphone, they are really open to make his phone open :P, the blocking part of this are the manufacturers. Manufacturers are very very reluctant to provide any depth technical information even being disposed to sign any NDA needed. The first manufacturer at the end of a lot of work and mails , finally accepts to share with us the Kernel source code but without schematics nor BOF was very dificult to continue, so Geek'sphone finally decide to change the platform to be able to go to market on time, and we are at the starting point again con convices the manufacturer about the benefits on let the hackers play with their phone instead of put obstacles on it. We have an eye on this and of course the objective is to run other SO on it and first candidate is SHR of course :) David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! 2009/11/9 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm: 2009/11/9 Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com I stumbled up http://www.geeksphone.com/en/ today, featuring a new Android based device from Spain. The device is called ONE, anagram of NEO. Although the feature set seems nice, they don't seems to care much about openness, and don't deserve the Geek's title(or do they?). Do they need to open the hardware for that title? If you can hack it (install SHR or something) then it's geek enough for me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OffTopic]Geek'sPhone: New android actor?
Would be nice, if it could become a new development platform for OM/SHR too. Are there some development boards to get? With JTAG interface and so on? And a documentation for writing free drivers for the linux kernel? Using android kernel is not an option, because they put the mostpart of theire drivers into the apache licensed userspace. In binary format. So the basic idea of opensource handies is died in android, because the linux kernel cant support the hardware on its own, theres alway a binary compatible android userspace needed to have the devices working properly. I hope, if they call theire phone geeky then they are also open to sell developmentboards and documentation. If they dont. Then the word geeky is a lie and we could even call a htc-raph or other windows-ce generation handies geeky. Then we can call every ** smartphone geeky. Because they are all hackable in someway... So please ask them to inform about development boards on theire page. They dont have to make UMTS/GSM open, its clear that they cant, but the rest of the pcb and schematics they could give us in a documentation, so that some smart linux kernel hackers could write some drivers in the propriate section (Board, CPU, Devices) Something which the Android developers didnt manage to do either. Theire drivers are sooo ugly. This time, the development should start from our site. Linux shouldnt have only BIOS function, but should have the user and kernel space consequently separated. Lets do it on our own, an we are sure, that it will be respected. We can certainly do it better then proprietary enterprises and google. regards leviathan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OffTopic]Geek'sPhone: New android actor?
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:08, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: We are in contact with this Geek'sphone guys since it first prototipe ... Geek'sphone, they are really open to make his phone open :P, the blocking part of this are the manufacturers. Nice! We have an eye on this and of course the objective is to run other SO on it and first candidate is SHR of course :) Debian would be cool, too! regards, Levy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
