RE: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 13:20 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, speaking as someone who imports electronic components and peripherals for prototype systems from the US all the time, I do know what to expect when I import. Good, then you know that you provide Customs (via the shipping company) your VAT registration number and then you're not liable for the VAT. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.
On 08/03/2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] the US all the time, I do know what to expect when I import. Importation of computer devices and peripherals to the EU is indeed both VAT and import duty exempt - it appears that the description of the goods, compounded with the value statement, has led to this issue. It is indeed OpenMoko's error in not understanding the rules and I hold them responsible for not disclosing that fact. David, I'm sorry for your troubles. We are doing our best to get these devices to everyone as fast and (under the current circumstances) as cheap as we can. I can assure you that the harmonized code is correct on the invoice. Also, these are standard UPS Worldship invoices, so I'm really at a loss as to what we did wrong. Please let me know what exactly what our mistake was and I will personally make sure this is fixed. We're committed to getting these kind of issues resolved so phase 2 can be a really smooth experience for everyone. So I really need your help here. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.
Sean: I've decided I'm just going to swallow the charge - applied by Customs to the value of the kit as declared on the waybill. It's not right for me to give you extra stress at this time, nor do I want extra stress arguing about it with everyone. Sorry for the blip! My shipment is to be redelivered Tuesday 07AUG. Thanks, David. From: Sean Moss-Pultz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 03/08/2007 14:29 To: David Prior Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery. On 08/03/2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] the US all the time, I do know what to expect when I import. Importation of computer devices and peripherals to the EU is indeed both VAT and import duty exempt - it appears that the description of the goods, compounded with the value statement, has led to this issue. It is indeed OpenMoko's error in not understanding the rules and I hold them responsible for not disclosing that fact. David, I'm sorry for your troubles. We are doing our best to get these devices to everyone as fast and (under the current circumstances) as cheap as we can. I can assure you that the harmonized code is correct on the invoice. Also, these are standard UPS Worldship invoices, so I'm really at a loss as to what we did wrong. Please let me know what exactly what our mistake was and I will personally make sure this is fixed. We're committed to getting these kind of issues resolved so phase 2 can be a really smooth experience for everyone. So I really need your help here. -Sean This email and any files attached are intended for the addressee and may contain information of a confidential nature. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that this email was sent to you in error and you should not disclose, distribute, print, copy or make other use of this email or its attachments. Such actions, in fact, may be unlawful. In compliance with the various Regulations and Acts, General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited reserves the right to monitor (and examine for viruses) all emails and email attachments, both inbound and outbound. Email communications and their attachments may not be secure or error- or virus-free and the company does not accept liability or responsibility for such matters or the consequences thereof. General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited, Registered Office: 100 New Bridge Street, London EC4V 6JA. Registered in England and Wales No: 1911653. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.
Wow, what a classy thing - to start a flame and then admit error. Hats off to you. Regards, Hank On 8/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean: I've decided I'm just going to swallow the charge - applied by Customs to the value of the kit as declared on the waybill. It's not right for me to give you extra stress at this time, nor do I want extra stress arguing about it with everyone. Sorry for the blip! My shipment is to be redelivered Tuesday 07AUG. Thanks, David. From: Sean Moss-Pultz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 03/08/2007 14:29 To: David Prior Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery. On 08/03/2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] the US all the time, I do know what to expect when I import. Importation of computer devices and peripherals to the EU is indeed both VAT and import duty exempt - it appears that the description of the goods, compounded with the value statement, has led to this issue. It is indeed OpenMoko's error in not understanding the rules and I hold them responsible for not disclosing that fact. David, I'm sorry for your troubles. We are doing our best to get these devices to everyone as fast and (under the current circumstances) as cheap as we can. I can assure you that the harmonized code is correct on the invoice. Also, these are standard UPS Worldship invoices, so I'm really at a loss as to what we did wrong. Please let me know what exactly what our mistake was and I will personally make sure this is fixed. We're committed to getting these kind of issues resolved so phase 2 can be a really smooth experience for everyone. So I really need your help here. -Sean This email and any files attached are intended for the addressee and may contain information of a confidential nature. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that this email was sent to you in error and you should not disclose, distribute, print, copy or make other use of this email or its attachments. Such actions, in fact, may be unlawful. In compliance with the various Regulations and Acts, General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited reserves the right to monitor (and examine for viruses) all emails and email attachments, both inbound and outbound. Email communications and their attachments may not be secure or error- or virus-free and the company does not accept liability or responsibility for such matters or the consequences thereof. General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited, Registered Office: 100 New Bridge Street, London EC4V 6JA. Registered in England and Wales No: 1911653. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.
The amount seems to be VAT. According to EU (EC) rules, VAT has to be paid at the point of crossing the EU border for goods meant for selling to customers. For calculating the taxed value, the cost of shipment to the border is INCLUDED. If shipment from the border to the destination within EU (EC) is NOT declared, the complete shipment cost is valuable for tax calculation. If you bought the Neo for business reasons, you can get back the VAT (but you already knew that, don't you?). If you are end customer you ALWAYS have to pay VAT (if the value exempts tax-free allowance). For PRIVATE customers there are NO exemptions. In addition to that, if you import stuff yourself, you have to pay the VAT yourself also. When UPS called me for clearance (they checked that I was willing to pay the VAT), I checked with the local custom office and got the explanation I cited here. Your milage may vary. Regards Karsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas: Actually, speaking as someone who imports electronic components and peripherals for prototype systems from the US all the time, I do know what to expect when I import. Importation of computer devices and peripherals to the EU is indeed both VAT and import duty exempt - it appears that the description of the goods, compounded with the value statement, has led to this issue. It is indeed OpenMoko's error in not understanding the rules and I hold them responsible for not disclosing that fact. When I can import USD$50,000 prototypes for computer peripheral units without paying VAT and without paying import duty, I expect to be able to do the same for a USD$450 prototype. Not to get into a flame war but, for your reference, VAT is 17.5% in the UKand I ordered the Advanced... Have fun! David. *From:* Thomas Gstädtner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 03 August 2007 13:12 *To:* David Prior *Cc:* community@lists.openmoko.org *Subject:* Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery. Well, you chose to live in the wrong country (or the wrong continent). You should know what expects you if YOU IMPORT a device. This is not the fault of OpenMoko (Inc.). Also there is no duty on computing devices and mobile phones in the EU - so I guess you are wrong. GBP60 sounds like VAT (15.5% in UK), seems you have ordered the basic device, so this IS VAT, no duty! VAT is levied by your country, not by FIC/OpenMoko and if you chose to import you WILL have to pay VAT every time - and the one you import from doesn't have to find out for you how much it is (as it is charged by the customs, not by the company). 2007/8/3, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just thought you all might like to know that OpenMoko shipments are attracting import duty in the United Kingdom. Despite paying USD104.99 for 'expedited' shipping, my order arrived with a demand for GBP57.19 in import duty. This should either be factored into the shipping charge or, as these devices are technically 'computer peripherals', described as 'computer peripherals' in order that they do not attract import duty. I have REFUSED my delivery and it is being returned to the depot and, presumably, will be returned to sender. I either want a new shipment that does not attract import duty *or* I want a full refund. I know these are developer releases but I would have hoped that OpenMoko would have sorted out the international shipping issues properly. I'm annoyed! David. This email and any files attached are intended for the addressee and may contain information of a confidential nature. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that this email was sent to you in error and you should not disclose, distribute, print, copy or make other use of this email or its attachments. Such actions, in fact, may be unlawful. In compliance with the various Regulations and Acts, General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited reserves the right to monitor (and examine for viruses) all emails and email attachments, both inbound and outbound. Email communications and their attachments may not be secure or error- or virus-free and the company does not accept liability or responsibility for such matters or the consequences thereof. General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited, Registered Office: 100 New Bridge Street, London EC4V 6JA. Registered in England and Wales No: 1911653. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This email and any files attached
Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.
On Friday 03 August 2007 14:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas: Importation of computer devices and peripherals to the EU is indeed both VAT and import duty exempt - it appears that the description of the goods, compounded with the value statement, has led to this issue. It is indeed OpenMoko's error in not understanding the rules and I hold them responsible for not disclosing that fact. When I can import USD$50,000 prototypes for computer peripheral units without paying VAT and without paying import duty, I expect to be able to do the same for a USD$450 prototype. I would not expect this. I've talked to some guys from UPS regarding VAT. They told me that I have to pay VAT if the price of the more than 22€. This information belongs to germany (dunno if I can extend this to the EU). Btw I didn't had to pay import duty... - homyx Not to get into a flame war but, for your reference, VAT is 17.5% in the UKand I ordered the Advanced... Have fun! David. From: Thomas Gstädtner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 August 2007 13:12 To: David Prior Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery. Well, you chose to live in the wrong country (or the wrong continent). You should know what expects you if YOU IMPORT a device. This is not the fault of OpenMoko (Inc.). Also there is no duty on computing devices and mobile phones in the EU - so I guess you are wrong. GBP60 sounds like VAT (15.5% in UK), seems you have ordered the basic device, so this IS VAT, no duty! VAT is levied by your country, not by FIC/OpenMoko and if you chose to import you WILL have to pay VAT every time - and the one you import from doesn't have to find out for you how much it is (as it is charged by the customs, not by the company). 2007/8/3, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Just thought you all might like to know that OpenMoko shipments are attracting import duty in the United Kingdom. Despite paying USD104.99 for 'expedited' shipping, my order arrived with a demand for GBP57.19 in import duty. This should either be factored into the shipping charge or, as these devices are technically 'computer peripherals', described as 'computer peripherals' in order that they do not attract import duty. I have REFUSED my delivery and it is being returned to the depot and, presumably, will be returned to sender. I either want a new shipment that does not attract import duty *or* I want a full refund. I know these are developer releases but I would have hoped that OpenMoko would have sorted out the international shipping issues properly. I'm annoyed! David. This email and any files attached are intended for the addressee and may contain information of a confidential nature. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that this email was sent to you in error and you should not disclose, distribute, print, copy or make other use of this email or its attachments. Such actions, in fact, may be unlawful. In compliance with the various Regulations and Acts, General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited reserves the right to monitor (and examine for viruses) all emails and email attachments, both inbound and outbound. Email communications and their attachments may not be secure or error- or virus-free and the company does not accept liability or responsibility for such matters or the consequences thereof. General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited, Registered Office: 100 New Bridge Street, London EC4V 6JA. Registered in England and Wales No: 1911653. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This email and any files attached are intended for the addressee and may contain information of a confidential nature. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that this email was sent to you in error and you should not disclose, distribute, print, copy or make other use of this email or its attachments. Such actions, in fact, may be unlawful. In compliance with the various Regulations and Acts, General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited reserves the right to monitor (and examine for viruses) all emails and email attachments, both inbound and outbound. Email communications and their attachments may not be secure or error- or virus-free and the company does not accept liability or responsibility for such matters or the consequences thereof. General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited, Registered Office: 100 New Bridge Street, London EC4V 6JA. Registered in England and Wales No: 1911653. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.
Well, you chose to live in the wrong country (or the wrong continent). You should know what expects you if YOU IMPORT a device. This is not the fault of OpenMoko (Inc.). Also there is no duty on computing devices and mobile phones in the EU - so I guess you are wrong. GBP60 sounds like VAT (15.5% in UK), seems you have ordered the basic device, so this IS VAT, no duty! VAT is levied by your country, not by FIC/OpenMoko and if you chose to import you WILL have to pay VAT every time - and the one you import from doesn't have to find out for you how much it is (as it is charged by the customs, not by the company). 2007/8/3, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just thought you all might like to know that OpenMoko shipments are attracting import duty in the United Kingdom. Despite paying USD104.99 for 'expedited' shipping, my order arrived with a demand for GBP57.19 in import duty. This should either be factored into the shipping charge or, as these devices are technically 'computer peripherals', described as 'computer peripherals' in order that they do not attract import duty. I have REFUSED my delivery and it is being returned to the depot and, presumably, will be returned to sender. I either want a new shipment that does not attract import duty *or* I want a full refund. I know these are developer releases but I would have hoped that OpenMoko would have sorted out the international shipping issues properly. I'm annoyed! David. -- This email and any files attached are intended for the addressee and may contain information of a confidential nature. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that this email was sent to you in error and you should not disclose, distribute, print, copy or make other use of this email or its attachments. Such actions, in fact, may be unlawful. In compliance with the various Regulations and Acts, General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited reserves the right to monitor (and examine for viruses) all emails and email attachments, both inbound and outbound. Email communications and their attachments may not be secure or error- or virus-free and the company does not accept liability or responsibility for such matters or the consequences thereof. General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited, Registered Office: 100 New Bridge Street, London EC4V 6JA. Registered in England and Wales No: 1911653. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : This should either be factored into the shipping charge or, as these devices are technically 'computer peripherals', described as 'computer peripherals' in order that they do not attract import duty. IIRC the UK law changed in late 2006, computer equipment is liable to duty now. --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery.
Am 03.08.2007 um 08:20 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Actually, speaking as someone who imports electronic components and peripherals for prototype systems from the US all the time, I do know what to expect when I import. Importation of computer devices and peripherals to the EU is indeed both VAT and import duty exempt - it appears that the description of the goods, compounded with the value For Germany, I know that there is no import duty as well. But I have never heard that there is no VAT added (at least initially) and I assume that VAT rules are now harmonized in the EU. But as a commercial buyer, you can then deduct that from incoming VAT payments and get it back. So, effectively you don't pay it finaly, but initially. So, it is sort of a credit to the fiscal authorities. statement, has led to this issue. It is indeed OpenMoko's error in not understanding the rules and I hold them responsible for not disclosing that fact. What should they have written on the value statement? When I can import USD$50,000 prototypes for computer peripheral units without paying VAT and without paying import duty, I expect to be able to do the same for a USD$450 prototype. I am really interested how you import into the EU without paying VAT (initially). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
