Re: [Spam?] Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
On 11/28/06, Paolo Cavallini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 and the OpneMoko could be *the* right tool to implement the OpenStreetMap approach, thus boosting it. pc Well, not all GPS devices are equal.. and there's always going to be a device better at XYZ if the device specialises in a particular technology.. but the power to extract more meaning from less accurate data is preferrable to having more accurate data which is harder to apply context to. E.g. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/London 'Tagging' street names is slower than extracting the data.. but how quicker would it be if one could in 'map my route' mode, hit a button, speak the name of the street.. or a geographical feature, which is recorded relative to the GPS timestamps? Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Spam?] Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
On 11/28/06, Sam Kome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a bit of experience in GIS data and applications. Okay, a lot. Sean is absolutely right about the rarity and high price of street maps, not to mention the legal rights problems which can drag in Queens and Kings. The more I read about Open Street Map, the more I like it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org Would this bother any Kings or Queens? It's not stealing someone elses work, just refusing to pay for it and making ones own. Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Spam?] Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
I have a bit of experience in GIS data and applications. Okay, a lot. Sean is absolutely right about the rarity and high price of street maps, not to mention the legal rights problems which can drag in Queens and Kings. The first question to answer is: what is the necessary accuracy? If you're not routing ambulances then there may be adequate data available from public sources. Availability varies tremendously by country, even by internal divisions, but streets are always changing, hence more difficult to obtain. If street level geocoding is needed, one approach would be to take advantage of Google or Yahoos geocoding APIs. Would work for a limited (but large) number of hits/day, and for a non-commercial application. For basic context like major roads, landmarks, postal code or political boundaries, data may well be available for free or the cost of bashing them into a useful shape. These data also have the advantage of smaller file sizes. Hope this helps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Moss-Pultz Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:25 AM To: Marcus Bauer; community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: [Spam?] Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea] Importance: Low On 11/27/06 8:16 PM, "Marcus Bauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You may ask Sean about availability of maps for the Neo1973 (a quick > search in the ML-archives gives no hits). Mapping data is actually really difficult. There are only two providers worldwide: * Navitec * TeleAtlas And they are really expensive. We have some commercial software lined up that we could sell, but I'm not too excited at anything at this point. Hopefully we can come up with something free together. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think it is much more interesting, at least at this stage, to add the possibility to upload personal data. This should be feasible with "almost standard" freeGIS tools, and would add a wealth of applications, both for fun and for professional work. pc Sean Moss-Pultz ha scritto: > On 11/27/06 8:16 PM, "Marcus Bauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You may ask Sean about availability of maps for the Neo1973 (a quick >> search in the ML-archives gives no hits). > > Mapping data is actually really difficult. There are only two providers > worldwide: > > * Navitec > * TeleAtlas > > And they are really expensive. We have some commercial software lined up > that we could sell, but I'm not too excited at anything at this point. > Hopefully we can come up with something free together. > > -Sean - -- Paolo Cavallini email+jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.faunalia.it Piazza Garibaldi 5 - 56025 Pontedera (PI), Italy Tel: (+39)348-3801953 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFbFgT/NedwLUzIr4RAhOEAJ9buY+u8TzqRqd32TEB13M6XEndmQCghudk b6L5zlLAHBTeH6/dnZ3d8Cg= =hQZe -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
On 11/27/06 8:16 PM, "Marcus Bauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You may ask Sean about availability of maps for the Neo1973 (a quick > search in the ML-archives gives no hits). Mapping data is actually really difficult. There are only two providers worldwide: * Navitec * TeleAtlas And they are really expensive. We have some commercial software lined up that we could sell, but I'm not too excited at anything at this point. Hopefully we can come up with something free together. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > On Monday 27 November 2006 16:45, Jeff Andros wrote: >> the Google maps website does list a linux version, but it lists a pentium >> class processor as a system requirement, I wonder if we could get google to >> do a custom compile onto our hardware, seems like their style > > Google Maps is a webapp no? And if you mean Google Earth, that's such a > resource hog that it barely works on my 1.6Ghz Notebook with Nvidia 5200 GO > card... Exactly - the application Google Earth gobbles 3D graphics resources like mad. (3d chipset, cpu, math) Does beautiful things with them, and I'd love to have a handheld zoomable satellite-imagery globe, but unless rendering is offloaded to a server somewhere (and I suspect Google would have to do that) I don't see it running too well. Don't get me wrong, I'd buy a Neo just to have handheld linux wireless GoogleEarth with GPS. But apart from the resource requirements (both in horsepower and bandwidth) there's also serious UI concerns that would need to be addressed. A gesture-oriented interface is a great match for Google Earth, but a 2.8" 640x480 screen is far from optimal... Pared down to view-only with gesture controls, and pop-up menus and toolbars for things like waypoints and searches, it could work. But it would require significant effort from some coders at Google/Keyhole to make it happen. (the idea of GoogleEarth travel/directions animations synced with GPS data is exciting) Now Google Maps is just web-access. Needs Javascript and Java, IIRC, with a modern browser, so you can drag and zoom and what-not. I've crafted links in a wireless tower monitoring program that pulls the GPS data from the radio and opens a browser window looking at satellite pics of the tower vicinity via Google Maps. j ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
On Monday 27 November 2006 16:45, Jeff Andros wrote: > the Google maps website does list a linux version, but it lists a pentium > class processor as a system requirement, I wonder if we could get google to > do a custom compile onto our hardware, seems like their style Google Maps is a webapp no? And if you mean Google Earth, that's such a resource hog that it barely works on my 1.6Ghz Notebook with Nvidia 5200 GO card... pgp9EEz8LdqLq.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
I've been lurking' since I found out about the OpenMoko effort/product, but this looks like a good time to chime in. The GPS applications, especially in combination with phone functionality, seem like a great differentiator. Could end up redefining the answer to "What is a cell phone besides 'just' a cell phone?" The answers have so far mostly included (a) a PDA and (b) a music player... this would be a new entry in the race. I'm at PayPal (one of the eBay properties, along with Skype), and have a good friend who is well-placed in the Google Earth division. (Note that Google Earth and Google Maps are quite different, BTW.) Said friend is on holiday at present, but I'll forward him this thread and relevant links, and we can see where that goes. (I also hope to join the development effort- VoIP and embedded experience from time at Avaya- but need to gauge my available time carefully before committing.) More news if/when I have any... Bob -- Original message -- From: "Jeff Andros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> the Google maps website does list a linux version, but it lists a pentium class processor as a system requirement, I wonder if we could get google to do a custom compile onto our hardware, seems like their style --Jeff On 11/27/06, Alessandro Iurlano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/27/06, David Ormsbee < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, We can still have an application that simply reads GPS data from the phone and hits the Google Maps website with it, right? The site accepts long/lat. coordinates, and even has a satellite view mode (though the quality isn't as high as in Google Earth). Dave Unfortunately it seems we cannot. Google maps API's terms of service allow you to use it in a website and not in a standalone non-Web application (FAQ clearly says that) And Google Earth requires the client to be installed on the machine that you use. So both ways are not valid :( The only doable thing I can think now is a client to compile information for the openstreetsmap project :( This license is against all the applications that I wanted to implement Bye and thanks, Alessandro On 11/27/06, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 12:44 +0100, Alessandro Iurlano wrote: > > > I know that google provides API for the search engine. Are there APIs > > for google earth maps too? > > Slashdot ran yesterday a story about this: > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/25/225256 > http://gaia.serezhkin.com/ > > Basically the same goes for map data. You may have a look into > openstreetmap.org . > > You may ask Sean about availability of maps for the Neo1973 (a quick > search in the ML-archives gives no hits). > > Hope that helps. > > Marcus > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community--- Begin Message --- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community --- End Message --- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
By calling the browser installed on the phone with the good coordinates, I think we respect the Google Map API's terms. Mmm I think you are right. And what if use libcurl to make http requests and then use the result for our own purposes? This is not a use of the API but of the public web services... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
Le Lundi 27 Novembre 2006 16:20, Alessandro Iurlano a écrit : > On 11/27/06, David Ormsbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > We can still have an application that simply reads GPS data from the > > phone and hits the Google Maps website with it, right? The site > > accepts long/lat. coordinates, and even has a satellite view mode > > (though the quality isn't as high as in Google Earth). > > > > Dave > > Unfortunately it seems we cannot. > Google maps API's terms of service allow you to use it in a website and not > in a > standalone non-Web application (FAQ clearly says that) > And Google Earth requires the client to be installed on the machine that > you use. > So both ways are not valid :( > By calling the browser installed on the phone with the good coordinates, I think we respect the Google Map API's terms. > The only doable thing I can think now is a client to compile information > for the openstreetsmap project :( > This license is against all the applications that I wanted to implement > > Bye and thanks, > Alessandro > > On 11/27/06, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 12:44 +0100, Alessandro Iurlano wrote: > > > > I know that google provides API for the search engine. Are there APIs > > > > for google earth maps too? > > > > > > Slashdot ran yesterday a story about this: > > > > > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/25/225256 > > > http://gaia.serezhkin.com/ > > > > > > Basically the same goes for map data. You may have a look into > > > openstreetmap.org. > > > > > > You may ask Sean about availability of maps for the Neo1973 (a quick > > > search in the ML-archives gives no hits). > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > Marcus > > > > > > -- slubman (aka Nicolas DOUALOT) mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] site: http://www.slubman.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
the Google maps website does list a linux version, but it lists a pentium class processor as a system requirement, I wonder if we could get google to do a custom compile onto our hardware, seems like their style --Jeff On 11/27/06, Alessandro Iurlano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/27/06, David Ormsbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > We can still have an application that simply reads GPS data from the > phone and hits the Google Maps website with it, right? The site > accepts long/lat. coordinates, and even has a satellite view mode > (though the quality isn't as high as in Google Earth). > > Dave Unfortunately it seems we cannot. Google maps API's terms of service allow you to use it in a website and not in a standalone non-Web application (FAQ clearly says that) And Google Earth requires the client to be installed on the machine that you use. So both ways are not valid :( The only doable thing I can think now is a client to compile information for the openstreetsmap project :( This license is against all the applications that I wanted to implement Bye and thanks, Alessandro On 11/27/06, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 12:44 +0100, Alessandro Iurlano wrote: > > > > > I know that google provides API for the search engine. Are there > APIs > > > for google earth maps too? > > > > Slashdot ran yesterday a story about this: > > > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/25/225256 > > http://gaia.serezhkin.com/ > > > > Basically the same goes for map data. You may have a look into > > openstreetmap.org . > > > > You may ask Sean about availability of maps for the Neo1973 (a quick > > search in the ML-archives gives no hits). > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Marcus > > > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
On 11/27/06, David Ormsbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, We can still have an application that simply reads GPS data from the phone and hits the Google Maps website with it, right? The site accepts long/lat. coordinates, and even has a satellite view mode (though the quality isn't as high as in Google Earth). Dave Unfortunately it seems we cannot. Google maps API's terms of service allow you to use it in a website and not in a standalone non-Web application (FAQ clearly says that) And Google Earth requires the client to be installed on the machine that you use. So both ways are not valid :( The only doable thing I can think now is a client to compile information for the openstreetsmap project :( This license is against all the applications that I wanted to implement Bye and thanks, Alessandro On 11/27/06, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 12:44 +0100, Alessandro Iurlano wrote: > > > I know that google provides API for the search engine. Are there APIs > > for google earth maps too? > > Slashdot ran yesterday a story about this: > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/25/225256 > http://gaia.serezhkin.com/ > > Basically the same goes for map data. You may have a look into > openstreetmap.org. > > You may ask Sean about availability of maps for the Neo1973 (a quick > search in the ML-archives gives no hits). > > Hope that helps. > > Marcus > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
Hello, We can still have an application that simply reads GPS data from the phone and hits the Google Maps website with it, right? The site accepts long/lat. coordinates, and even has a satellite view mode (though the quality isn't as high as in Google Earth). Dave On 11/27/06, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 12:44 +0100, Alessandro Iurlano wrote: > I know that google provides API for the search engine. Are there APIs > for google earth maps too? Slashdot ran yesterday a story about this: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/25/225256 http://gaia.serezhkin.com/ Basically the same goes for map data. You may have a look into openstreetmap.org. You may ask Sean about availability of maps for the Neo1973 (a quick search in the ML-archives gives no hits). Hope that helps. Marcus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
